China to overtake the Us as the largest global economy by 2028?

[Betwrong]

~I do not agree with your point of view, although the countries have mutual economic support through the export and import process but this process did not create too much development, the development came from competition, look at the crypto market, you can also see this process, most countries have specific products and cannot be copied by that country.

A healthy competition isn't going anywhere, and you are right, it helps economic development. I was rather talking about the unhealthy one, when one country(or a block of countries) desires to be ahead no matter what. If they can't grow economically, they are rooting for their adversaries to decline. This type of "competition" ended not so long ago, but fortunately for ever.

Moreover, the US is a fairly strong country in the military, the weapons are a very expensive brand and the US is very developed in this field, China is always difficult to surpass the US with current technology.

Absolutely agree with you on this one. Overall, any governmental propaganda telling their citizens they have better armed forces than the U.S. are just lying.

[bryant.coleman]

Okay, how sure are they about all that? Maybe the pandemic has been really bad and has caused a lot of things to happen and also pushed the US economy to a point where it’s low at this point, because they didn’t take a quick action to stop contain it before it became a wild fire.

As for China, we all know how it all happened, the whole world were pissed with them for not giving out information and the way they were able to contain it easily made the world to feel like they were the mastermind behind it all lol. Anyway, the future is one thing that no man can tell, we can only assume that something is going to happen based on what we are seeing at the moment, but things can still change at any moment.

Don't you think that there is something strange with this? China is where the virus first originated. And yet, they have reported less than 5,000 deaths. On the other hand, the United States has reported close to 600,000 deaths. Can anyone explain the reason for this difference? Is anyone going to argue that the healthcare system in China is much better when compared to that in the United States? Or is someone going to claim that the population density in the US is more than that in China?

[DrBeer]

Okay, how sure are they about all that? Maybe the pandemic has been really bad and has caused a lot of things to happen and also pushed the US economy to a point where it’s low at this point, because they didn’t take a quick action to stop contain it before it became a wild fire.

As for China, we all know how it all happened, the whole world were pissed with them for not giving out information and the way they were able to contain it easily made the world to feel like they were the mastermind behind it all lol. Anyway, the future is one thing that no man can tell, we can only assume that something is going to happen based on what we are seeing at the moment, but things can still change at any moment.

Don't you think that there is something strange with this? China is where the virus first originated. And yet, they have reported less than 5,000 deaths. On the other hand, the United States has reported close to 600,000 deaths. Can anyone explain the reason for this difference? Is anyone going to argue that the healthcare system in China is much better when compared to that in the United States? Or is someone going to claim that the population density in the US is more than that in China?

Everything is simple here. It's no secret that official China loves to manipulate data to achieve its goals. For a long time they hid the real indicators of morbidity, did not let international observers in, distorted the data in every possible way, including deliberate forgery! Therefore, looking at the official statistics from China is a pointless exercise - you will base your calculations on incorrect baselines. I am a supporter of simple logic - if some statistical data differ sharply from the "standard" - then there is either an error in the data (including deliberate manipulations), or there are some real reasons for such deviations. For example, the sales volume of air conditioners in the Far North is always lower than in Southeast Asia, that is all logical

[Vishnu.Reang]

Everything is simple here. It's no secret that official China loves to manipulate data to achieve its goals. For a long time they hid the real indicators of morbidity, did not let international observers in, distorted the data in every possible way, including deliberate forgery! Therefore, looking at the official statistics from China is a pointless exercise - you will base your calculations on incorrect baselines. I am a supporter of simple logic - if some statistical data differ sharply from the "standard" - then there is either an error in the data (including deliberate manipulations), or there are some real reasons for such deviations. For example, the sales volume of air conditioners in the Far North is always lower than in Southeast Asia, that is all logical

China might have manipulated its data. I am not going to argue about it. But how they managed to completely eradicate the COVID 19 pandemic within their borders? The last reported death from COVID 19 in China was many months ago. How come they are able to eradicate a virus, which is creating trouble for all the other countries in the world? And they are not lying about it. The Chinese cities are not under lockdown or any restriction, and the life seems to be normal. How this is possible?

[ultrloa]

Everything is simple here. It's no secret that official China loves to manipulate data to achieve its goals. For a long time they hid the real indicators of morbidity, did not let international observers in, distorted the data in every possible way, including deliberate forgery! Therefore, looking at the official statistics from China is a pointless exercise - you will base your calculations on incorrect baselines. I am a supporter of simple logic - if some statistical data differ sharply from the "standard" - then there is either an error in the data (including deliberate manipulations), or there are some real reasons for such deviations. For example, the sales volume of air conditioners in the Far North is always lower than in Southeast Asia, that is all logical

China might have manipulated its data. I am not going to argue about it. But how they managed to completely eradicate the COVID 19 pandemic within their borders? The last reported death from COVID 19 in China was many months ago. How come they are able to eradicate a virus, which is creating trouble for all the other countries in the world? And they are not lying about it. The Chinese cities are not under lockdown or any restriction, and the life seems to be normal. How this is possible?

The one I see a secret on why they are successful to manage to return back to normal is the citizen is well discipline to follow the governments order, I see so many videos of vaccination drive on china so maybe they manage to inject majority of their population thats why they back on their normal life if not normal close to that.

Look at this video https://youtu.be/hSCUw5UouXc

People are so confident about not wearing mask on streats.

[Mauser]

Okay, how sure are they about all that? Maybe the pandemic has been really bad and has caused a lot of things to happen and also pushed the US economy to a point where it’s low at this point, because they didn’t take a quick action to stop contain it before it became a wild fire.

As for China, we all know how it all happened, the whole world were pissed with them for not giving out information and the way they were able to contain it easily made the world to feel like they were the mastermind behind it all lol. Anyway, the future is one thing that no man can tell, we can only assume that something is going to happen based on what we are seeing at the moment, but things can still change at any moment.

Don't you think that there is something strange with this? China is where the virus first originated. And yet, they have reported less than 5,000 deaths. On the other hand, the United States has reported close to 600,000 deaths. Can anyone explain the reason for this difference? Is anyone going to argue that the healthcare system in China is much better when compared to that in the United States? Or is someone going to claim that the population density in the US is more than that in China?

This is very strange indeed. So far I didn't read much about how the virus really originated. We all know that China likes to manipulate it's numbers, but still how can that be? China has so many people and they also live together very close in large cities, but still it doesn't seem severe over there. Also I heard that China has multiple corona vaccines already on the market, even before western pharma companies had them. It doesn't sound right.

[iv4n]

~I do not agree with your point of view, although the countries have mutual economic support through the export and import process but this process did not create too much development, the development came from competition, look at the crypto market, you can also see this process, most countries have specific products and cannot be copied by that country.

A healthy competition isn't going anywhere, and you are right, it helps economic development. I was rather talking about the unhealthy one, when one country(or a block of countries) desires to be ahead no matter what. If they can't grow economically, they are rooting for their adversaries to decline. This type of "competition" ended not so long ago, but fortunately for ever.

Moreover, the US is a fairly strong country in the military, the weapons are a very expensive brand and the US is very developed in this field, China is always difficult to surpass the US with current technology.

Absolutely agree with you on this one. Overall, any governmental propaganda telling their citizens they have better armed forces than the U.S. are just lying.

The military is military, but economically I think the Chinese are winning! It's because of their crazy products! So I visit Chinese stores and I buy crazy toys for my kid, for 1-2 euros, and you can choose! And few times I was amazed by some of their simple products, just plastic, and it's shit, and it's just a euro or two... so we can buy them all the time!

I am not sure about the healthy competition here, because there are too many Chinese, with many resources... but what they are doing in the last 20 years is paying off for them, they are everywhere, and a lot of money is in circulation, we probably can't imagine what is coming in and out from China!

This is just my point of view... I didn't/don't have access to many (if any?) products from the US, and maybe they are more expensive than Chinese, and I don't look/hear about them a lot, so I can't be objective here as some others can!

[Raytheon]

This is very strange indeed. So far I didn't read much about how the virus really originated. We all know that China likes to manipulate it's numbers, but still how can that be? China has so many people and they also live together very close in large cities, but still it doesn't seem severe over there. Also I heard that China has multiple corona vaccines already on the market, even before western pharma companies had them. It doesn't sound right.

Everything you "heard" about China doesn't seem right. China denies all the bad things originated or related to them all claims ownership over all the good things surrounding them. Covid-19 clearly originated from Wuhan but Chinese state media claims Covid-19 might have originated in Southeast Asia or India.

Regarding data manipulation, I don't have any solid proof but I know for sure steel price's insanely increased lately was contributed a lot by China. To maintain its beautiful GDP growth, China must increase government spending by pouring money into infrastructure construction. This boosts demand on steel hence pumps its price.

Chinese Corona vaccines are a joke. Look at those countries that used them, from Cambodia, Nepal to Brazil, which countries isn't on the brink of collapse by Covid-19?

[DrBeer]

Everything is simple here. It's no secret that official China loves to manipulate data to achieve its goals. For a long time they hid the real indicators of morbidity, did not let international observers in, distorted the data in every possible way, including deliberate forgery! Therefore, looking at the official statistics from China is a pointless exercise - you will base your calculations on incorrect baselines. I am a supporter of simple logic - if some statistical data differ sharply from the "standard" - then there is either an error in the data (including deliberate manipulations), or there are some real reasons for such deviations. For example, the sales volume of air conditioners in the Far North is always lower than in Southeast Asia, that is all logical

China might have manipulated its data. I am not going to argue about it. But how they managed to completely eradicate the COVID 19 pandemic within their borders? The last reported death from COVID 19 in China was many months ago. How come they are able to eradicate a virus, which is creating trouble for all the other countries in the world? And they are not lying about it. The Chinese cities are not under lockdown or any restriction, and the life seems to be normal. How this is possible?

About "eradicate the pandemic", I have to recall the phrase "data manipulation" again. If you search on Google for information on the words "China data manipulation", but without specifying the keyword COVID, you will see how many materials on this topic, and how many of them concern the coronavirus, including. Let me remind you once again - there are statistics, there are trends, and there are anomalies. So the data for China is a solid anomaly! But in classical analytics, we identify the causes of the anomaly that explain its origin. So you will not find logical explanations for the Chinese analytical anomalies. And I was not the first to pay attention to this. There are a lot of quite solid articles in reputable publications, with specific verifiable figures, which show that there is a systemic manipulation of data - from economic growth to the fight against coronavirus. Just for example: back in April 2020, there was such an interesting article https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Estimating-the-True-Number-of-Chinas-COVID-19-Cases .pdf
Well, after spending 10-15 minutes, you will find a huge amount of materials on the analysis of data manipulation by the Chinese government. If you do not find - contact - I will help

[AndySt]

This is very strange indeed. So far I didn't read much about how the virus really originated. We all know that China likes to manipulate it's numbers, but still how can that be? China has so many people and they also live together very close in large cities, but still it doesn't seem severe over there. Also I heard that China has multiple corona vaccines already on the market, even before western pharma companies had them. It doesn't sound right.

Everything you "heard" about China doesn't seem right. China denies all the bad things originated or related to them all claims ownership over all the good things surrounding them. Covid-19 clearly originated from Wuhan but Chinese state media claims Covid-19 might have originated in Southeast Asia or India.
Regarding data manipulation, I don't have any solid proof but I know for sure steel price's insanely increased lately was contributed a lot by China. To maintain its beautiful GDP growth, China must increase government spending by pouring money into infrastructure construction. This boosts demand on steel hence pumps its price.
Chinese Corona vaccines are a joke. Look at those countries that used them, from Cambodia, Nepal to Brazil, which countries isn't on the brink of collapse by Covid-19?

I'm not sure that the World Health Organization can't tell a joke from the truth, because on May 7, the first Chinese vaccine, Sinopharm, was approved for emergency use. The chairman of the WHO strategic Advisory group of experts on immunization, said that his staff had conducted a thorough evaluation of the vaccine and had received sufficient evidence that the vaccine was effective and safe in reducing severe diseases by 79 percent. The Sinopharm vaccine is approved for adult vaccination in 45 countries. We must not forget that the authorities of European countries and the United States specifically act in the interests of their pharmaceutical companies, which is understandable, but this is not a reason to declare all Chinese vaccines a joke.

[Anonylz]

This is very strange indeed. So far I didn't read much about how the virus really originated. We all know that China likes to manipulate it's numbers, but still how can that be? China has so many people and they also live together very close in large cities, but still it doesn't seem severe over there. Also I heard that China has multiple corona vaccines already on the market, even before western pharma companies had them. It doesn't sound right.

Everything you "heard" about China doesn't seem right. China denies all the bad things originated or related to them all claims ownership over all the good things surrounding them. Covid-19 clearly originated from Wuhan but Chinese state media claims Covid-19 might have originated in Southeast Asia or India.

Regarding data manipulation, I don't have any solid proof but I know for sure steel price's insanely increased lately was contributed a lot by China. To maintain its beautiful GDP growth, China must increase government spending by pouring money into infrastructure construction. This boosts demand on steel hence pumps its price.

Chinese Corona vaccines are a joke. Look at those countries that used them, from Cambodia, Nepal to Brazil, which countries isn't on the brink of collapse by Covid-19?

Where is the sense in accepting vaccine from the same country that was the root cause of this problem in the first place! None, but since the situation was detrimental at the time it had to be done, and even at that the results are poor, a clever move by this power hungry country,

It won't surprise me when it will be proven that those covid-19 data were heavily manipulated,  suddenly the Chinese government where able to create a vaccine within a short period of time to suppress and completely eradicate covid out of their country and left the rest of the world battling with the disease till now,

Same miracle working vaccines where taken by other countries and don't seem to be having same effect and outcome, why is that! Or could it be that something totally different was sent over to this countries? It won't be surprising also. It is just pathetic.

[Sithara007]

Where is the sense in accepting vaccine from the same country that was the root cause of this problem in the first place! None, but since the situation was detrimental at the time it had to be done, and even at that the results are poor, a clever move by this power hungry country,

It won't surprise me when it will be proven that those covid-19 data were heavily manipulated,  suddenly the Chinese government where able to create a vaccine within a short period of time to suppress and completely eradicate covid out of their country and left the rest of the world battling with the disease till now,

Same miracle working vaccines where taken by other countries and don't seem to be having same effect and outcome, why is that! Or could it be that something totally different was sent over to this countries? It won't be surprising also. It is just pathetic.

From what I heard, China has so far shipped hundreds of millions of doses of this so called "vaccine" (Sinopharm). But it seems to be having zero impact in countries where it was administered. Chile vaccinated almost half of the eligible population using this vaccine. But despite 50% of the populaiton being vaccinated, now they are witnessing record number of new infections and deaths from COVID 19. The same is the case in other countries where this vaccine was used - Hungary, Serbia, Turkey, Cambodia, Morocco.etc. And despite this, many of the poorer countries around the world continue to purchase their vaccines from Sinopharm, since they don't have any other choice (the latest to enter in to an agreement is Egypt).

[nakamura12]

From what I heard, China has so far shipped hundreds of millions of doses of this so called "vaccine" (Sinopharm). But it seems to be having zero impact in countries where it was administered. Chile vaccinated almost half of the eligible population using this vaccine. But despite 50% of the populaiton being vaccinated, now they are witnessing record number of new infections and deaths from COVID 19. The same is the case in other countries where this vaccine was used - Hungary, Serbia, Turkey, Cambodia, Morocco.etc. And despite this, many of the poorer countries around the world continue to purchase their vaccines from Sinopharm, since they don't have any other choice (the latest to enter in to an agreement is Egypt).

I don't think that the vaccine can cure covid once a person is vaccinated but only helps fight the covid for stoping the illness getting worse. Some people in my country died when he was vaccinated but I won't say where the vaccine came from as the family of the person did say that it came from municipal officials which is required before you can work.

[Gyfts]

Haven't seen many people mention AI. China (and Russia, but set them aside for now) have been working on improving their AI innovation, and China steals R&D from the US, so they can innovate faster and cheaper. Joe Biden doesn't know what's going on, so he isn't going to advocate for technological advancement in the private sector to beat China. Trump was tougher on China, but it was more on the economic front (trade wars, tweeting a bunch of nonsense every time he was upset, ect.) China will topple the US as the world's greatest super power, if they continue on this track.

[Sithara007]

I don't think that the vaccine can cure covid once a person is vaccinated but only helps fight the covid for stoping the illness getting worse. Some people in my country died when he was vaccinated but I won't say where the vaccine came from as the family of the person did say that it came from municipal officials which is required before you can work.

Vaccines are for prevention, and doesn't work that well as a cure. Vaccines such as Pfizer, Moderna and Sputnik V have an efficacy of over 90%, which means that it prevents the people from getting infected 9 out of 10 times. And when rarely the vaccinated people get infected from COVID 19, usually they recover easily, since they already have the antibodies in their bloodstream. Even here in India, a number of deaths have occurred among people who received both the doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

[zanezane]

Haven't seen many people mention AI. China (and Russia, but set them aside for now) have been working on improving their AI innovation, and China steals R&D from the US, so they can innovate faster and cheaper. Joe Biden doesn't know what's going on, so he isn't going to advocate for technological advancement in the private sector to beat China. Trump was tougher on China, but it was more on the economic front (trade wars, tweeting a bunch of nonsense every time he was upset, ect.) China will topple the US as the world's greatest super power, if they continue on this track.

The presidency on almost any country is just a charade to keep the illusion going that we are free as a citizen of the country, Biden is going to be the same as Trump, they will not be able to do shit because they aren't of this generation so they don't know what to do in this ine. I am sure that China will takeover US in terms of ranking in economy and they can make it faster if they open some aspects of their economy to the world.

[Raytheon]

This is very strange indeed. So far I didn't read much about how the virus really originated. We all know that China likes to manipulate it's numbers, but still how can that be? China has so many people and they also live together very close in large cities, but still it doesn't seem severe over there. Also I heard that China has multiple corona vaccines already on the market, even before western pharma companies had them. It doesn't sound right.

Everything you "heard" about China doesn't seem right. China denies all the bad things originated or related to them all claims ownership over all the good things surrounding them. Covid-19 clearly originated from Wuhan but Chinese state media claims Covid-19 might have originated in Southeast Asia or India.
Regarding data manipulation, I don't have any solid proof but I know for sure steel price's insanely increased lately was contributed a lot by China. To maintain its beautiful GDP growth, China must increase government spending by pouring money into infrastructure construction. This boosts demand on steel hence pumps its price.
Chinese Corona vaccines are a joke. Look at those countries that used them, from Cambodia, Nepal to Brazil, which countries isn't on the brink of collapse by Covid-19?

I'm not sure that the World Health Organization can't tell a joke from the truth, because on May 7, the first Chinese vaccine, Sinopharm, was approved for emergency use. The chairman of the WHO strategic Advisory group of experts on immunization, said that his staff had conducted a thorough evaluation of the vaccine and had received sufficient evidence that the vaccine was effective and safe in reducing severe diseases by 79 percent. The Sinopharm vaccine is approved for adult vaccination in 45 countries. We must not forget that the authorities of European countries and the United States specifically act in the interests of their pharmaceutical companies, which is understandable, but this is not a reason to declare all Chinese vaccines a joke.

Spend some time reading these articles:

• Chile says China’s Sinovac coronavirus vaccine 67 per cent effective against symptomatic infection
• Chile has one of the world’s best vaccination rates. Covid is surging there anyway

The first article by a Chinese media publisher and the second by a Western one. The main idea in the first news wasn't proven through reality while content in the second news has been verified all over the Internet. Just like Sinopharm, Sinovac was also approved long before by WHO. Do you think Sinopharm can make the difference? Forget about WHO, they can't even give any wise decision on Covid-19 Pandemic at the moment.

[Lorence.xD]

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The fact is that the poor nations have no other option. They can't get loans from the Western nations, because these nations are themselves knee-deep in debt. China seems to be the only country with surplus money. So if a poor nation wants to build a railway line or airport, taking a loan form China seems to be the only option. All that said, I don't think that the Western nations are any better than the Chinese. A perfect example is the 1998–2002 Argentine great depression. Western agencies forced the Argentine government to agree to a lot of unfair terms when they defaulted. The same happened a decade ago, with Cyprus.

The problem is that the debts doesn't need to be a cash payment, most loans from other countries are based on favors and the reason that countries have debts is because they have corrupt leaders and the money in the country isn't managed well.

[electronicash]

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The fact is that the poor nations have no other option. They can't get loans from the Western nations, because these nations are themselves knee-deep in debt. China seems to be the only country with surplus money. So if a poor nation wants to build a railway line or airport, taking a loan form China seems to be the only option. All that said, I don't think that the Western nations are any better than the Chinese. A perfect example is the 1998–2002 Argentine great depression. Western agencies forced the Argentine government to agree to a lot of unfair terms when they defaulted. The same happened a decade ago, with Cyprus.

The problem is that the debts doesn't need to be a cash payment, most loans from other countries are based on favors and the reason that countries have debts is because they have corrupt leaders and the money in the country isn't managed well.

if the two countries both agreed to the terms. It's all for them to execute plans. US had also done the same terms in my countries which is lopsided terms actually and we wasted a lot of money for arbitration that can't be enforced by the international court. it's just a way for them to make money from us.

the shortage of chips and other products will dictate who will have the larger economy. once a country like china announces that they can provide products, they will soon impose their own terms.

[Lorence.xD]

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if the two countries both agreed to the terms. It's all for them to execute plans. US had also done the same terms in my countries which is lopsided terms actually and we wasted a lot of money for arbitration that can't be enforced by the international court. it's just a way for them to make money from us.

the shortage of chips and other products will dictate who will have the larger economy. once a country like china announces that they can provide products, they will soon impose their own terms.

The shitty thing with US loaning in countries is that they also have to intervene with the politics of that country, compare that to China where they only are in that country for the loan and to gather influence and let the country decide for themselves, that's why they are the go to for more and more countries to borrow money.