How long will it take Joe Biden to fulfill a campaign promise to cure cancer

[Hydrogen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A6V6wxc81s

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Joe Biden:  "If I'm elected President. You're going to see the single most important thing that changes america. We're gonna cure cancer."

How long will it take him to fulfill this campaign promise, I wonder.

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[franky1]

if you can be checked/diagnosed early enough. most cancers can be cured in the early stages.

so its not about finding 'cures' for stage 4. but instead helping to diagnose people at stage 1. which then have many options of cures/treatments

easiest way is instead of having health/insurance policies where people only get checked for cancers once symptoms begin or a policy to check at the age of 45+. if they have a new policy where people get a full check and blood analysis more regularly EG every few years. they can then find people in early stages before symptoms begin

at the moment testing is expensive because its not done often. but if they invest in more tests they can then make the tests cheaper

[Evilish]

Last I checked Joe isn't a certified oncologist and doesn't have any background in the field of medicine. Why is he making promises about things he clearly has no idea about.

[squatz1]

This seems like one of those ‘focus on the other side and ignore everything that our side has said, type of things’

Donald Trump made a similar process during the election, doesn’t change the fact that the two of them made a very dump proposal, but it shows that all this was was a way to try to court older voters.

“I promise you if I’m elected president, you’re going to see the single most important thing that changes America,” he said. “We’re gonna cure cancer.”

A week later, on June 18, Trump made a similarly prophetic statement during his 2020 kickoff rally in Orlando, Florida, as he listed several agenda items for a second term.

“We will come up with the cures to many, many problems, to many, many diseases, including cancer and others,” he said. “And we’re getting closer all the time.”

So yes, Biden said it first then Trump followed with the same sort of thing.

I truly hope Biden does cure cancer, though I don’t think he personally is in any position to be making that sort of promise. Given that we’ve heard nothing from scientists saying that we’re ‘close’ or anything along those lines.

[BADecker]

This whole cancer thing is BS. Here's why.

1. Everybody gets cancer during their lifetime, some people many times. They don't know it, and are cured naturally, without even realizing they had cancer.

2. Dr. John Beard published his findings in the British journal Lancet in 1902, that cancer is a natural phenomenon that allows us to live. Without cancer, there would be no mammalian life.

All human life begins as a simple undifferentiated cell. As the zygote (i.e. the fertilized egg cell) begins to divide, the resulting majority become specialized cells i.e. muscles, bones, teeth etc. However some of the resulting cells become the placenta, which is the means by which the developing fetus is connected to the parent and by which it is supplied with nutrients.

The placental cells are the first to differentiate from the fertilized egg. These never form part of the fetus but are ultimately destined to be destroyed or rendered inert.

Trophoblast cells form the outermost layer of the placenta and their purpose is to eat a niche into the uterine wall where the fertilized egg can gain nutrition from the maternal bloodstream. The characteristics of trophoblast tissue are that it is invasive, autonomous and erodes cells with which it comes into contact. In other words it resembles the behavior of cancer cells.

3. Jeffrey Dach, MD, in his book Bioidentical Hormones 101,

Chapter 53.The Trophoblastic Theory of Cancer

Have you ever wondered why cancer treatment has not changed much in over 70 years?  Why is chemotherapy still the mainstay of conventional cancer treatment after all these years of disappointing results for the majority of cancer cell types?  Perhaps we should be exploring alternatives.  At a medical meeting I attended, Nicholas Gonzalez MD presented his views on the etiology of cancer and cancer treatment.  Dr. Gonzalez is actively engaged in medical practice in Manhattan where he treats advanced cancer successfully with high dose oral pancreatic enzymes.  (1-7)  This treatment regimen is based on the Trophoblastic Theory of cancer.  This theory was originally proposed by a Scottish embryologist named John Beard (1858-1924), and was resurrected by William Donald Kelley, DDS (1926-2005).(8-16)
Above Left Image: Placenta anatomic diagram from Gray’s Anatomy published in 1918.

John Beard and the Trophoblast Theory

John Beard (1858-1924), was a Scottish embryologist who used the light microscope to study developmental embryology as well as cancer pathology.(10-12)  In 1905, Beard was the first to report that trophoblast cells act and behave in a manner identical to cancer cells, acting invasively, and inducing their own blood supply.(40-41)  This observation has been confirmed with more recent research.(56)   The trophoblast cell is a cell derived from the Placenta, a structure inside the uterus of a pregnant mother which serves as blood supply for the developing embryo.

What are Trophoblasts? Similarity with Cancer Cells [read more at the site]

But somebody (like franky1) will say: "Trophoblast is only a theory." Here's what isn't a theory. In the USA alone, 600,000 people die each year from cancer because the medical doesn't know what it is talking about or doing. If they cure a few, it was by accident that their cure worked. To understand this, simply look at all the people who died with Covid, because the medical denied them HCQ and Ivermectin. Idiot medical!

[franky1]

600,000 die due to the majority having been diagnosed too late. whereby conventional treatments wont work.
there are multiple stages of cancer diagnoses and if people are diagnosed in the final stage then its too late.

however at earlier stages there are multiple treatments.

also new science is finding the actual protein design of common cancers and generating treatments that target that exact protein without harming the normal human proteins.

but the still critical point is in when someone gets diagnosed.

so even if they have loads of treatments available. getting people checked and diagnosed earlier is key.

the thing biden is talking about in regards to more regular testing is not something america thought of. many countries are moving forward with trying to get funding to have people regularly checked for multiple things as a standard.

a.i (oh no tin foil hatters are gonna panic attack for me saying this) .. anyways a.i has in recent years been able to analyse thousands and thousands of people with cancer at different stages and compare it to healthy people and work out the subtle differences to then know what are better screening processes.

quick explainer of cancer
sometimes cells get messed up and replicate bad code and the cell becomes deformed. normally a body can just activate its cytokine system and that then causes that cell to die. if there is multiples cells you can see an increase in cytokines in the blood. far more then normal..
however if the messed up cells are replicating faster then your body can naturally destroy. then that cancer riddles the body and causes damage. then your body fighting it off with a cytokine storm can cause even further issues.
measuring these cytokines can determine how many messed up cells your body is creating and destroying and can pick up on clusters of bad cells far sooner than other conventional methods would detect them.. far earlier

yes cytokines are being used as cancer treatment(flood the body with cell killers). but new tech in recent years is understanding the different types of cytokines to produce better more targetted cytokines for specific cell types.

there are other signals your body emit via other known proteins and enzymes.
the issue is that these tests are so new and specialised it costs alot to do. thus hospitals/insurance wont provide it as a normal regular checkup thing.
ramping up testing capacity will lower the price and make it more available. and this is key

 its better to diagnose early to then treat it while its still too small. that way the battle can be won very easily without drastic actions.

[libertasbella]

Last I checked Joe isn't a certified oncologist and doesn't have any background in the field of medicine. Why is he making promises about things he clearly has no idea about.

Because he is a politician.

[franky1]

Last I checked Joe isn't a certified oncologist and doesn't have any background in the field of medicine. Why is he making promises about things he clearly has no idea about.

Because he is a politician.

by which he can promote laws and give out grants to incentivise getting people screened/checked more regularly.
and then changing laws where by insurance companies cant deny treatment requests due them not wanting to cover the expense by giving lame excuses like 'its experimental treatment' even when its things that have been successful and been around for decades

[squatz1]

Last I checked Joe isn't a certified oncologist and doesn't have any background in the field of medicine. Why is he making promises about things he clearly has no idea about.

Because he is a politician.

by which he can promote laws and give out grants to incentivise getting people screened/checked more regularly.
and then changing laws where by insurance companies cant deny treatment requests due them not wanting to cover the expense by giving lame excuses like 'its experimental treatment' even when its things that have been successful and been around for decades

Well yes, but all of that is a given. That’s the whole politician way where they’ll promise a lot and then nothing really gets done. Both sides are going to promise things like this because it’s popular either way — R OR D — and you’re going to bring in votes for yourself.

I do truly hope that he can cure something like Cancer through government grants and such, though I think we’d have a similar chance of having it cured if Trump was the President for the next 4 years.

[franky1]

I do truly hope that he can cure something like Cancer through government grants and such, though I think we’d have a similar chance of having it cured if Trump was the President for the next 4 years.

yes political pledges never have any penalties attached if the guy doesnt follow through. which is a shame for all sides and all pledges.
however trump has had 4 years already to make change. so if he hasnt made change already. then his time is over. no point dreaming of him staying. because he wont. and no point dreaming of him trying again to get back in in 4 years because he will probably want his daughter or son inlaw to give it a try.

but we have seen what trump has already done/not done. so time to give another guy a try

[Mauser]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A6V6wxc81s

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Joe Biden:  "If I'm elected President. You're going to see the single most important thing that changes america. We're gonna cure cancer."

How long will it take him to fulfill this campaign promise, I wonder.

This a very generic statement and can't be true. How can you cure all types of cancer in 4 weeks? Never. There are some really bad types of cancer out there that can't be treated right now. We shouldn't believe everything Biden says, he is a politician.

[squatz1]

I do truly hope that he can cure something like Cancer through government grants and such, though I think we’d have a similar chance of having it cured if Trump was the President for the next 4 years.

yes political pledges never have any penalties attached if the guy doesnt follow through. which is a shame for all sides and all pledges.
however trump has had 4 years already to make change. so if he hasnt made change already. then his time is over. no point dreaming of him staying. because he wont. and no point dreaming of him trying again to get back in in 4 years because he will probably want his daughter or son inlaw to give it a try.

but we have seen what trump has already done/not done. so time to give another guy a try

Not dreaming or anything along those lines, I’m just saying that I think the chance of us curing cancer would be the same under a Biden administration as it would be under a Trump administration. The executive really can’t do too much, nor can Congress do that much.

Grants are great and all, but it’s not like finding a cure for cancer is easy. Everyone wants to find a cure, it’s a bipartisan issue.

[franky1]

again for emphasis
cancer at the stage 4 or chronic stage has many issues in regards to 'finding cures'. this is because the amount of spread of cancer in the body wont respond to one treatment. as its infested many organ types requiring different treatments and has grown to such a mass that the volume of medication needed to fight the cancer will cause more harm than benefit.

but the true cure to cancer is not in new stage 4/chronic treatments. but instead catching the cancer early to treat it easily. thus never getting to stage 4/chronic category. thus no death.

its like vaccines. dont waste time trying to find new treatments for when people with viruses are on ventilators. instead find way to prevent people even getting hospitalised in the first place. thus avoiding the end-stage protocols

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ways to achieve this
more scanners/blood sampling resources
more organ/bonemarrow/blood donations (maybe pay people to donate/compensate families)
more life support facilities to not only give better care for current stage 4. but also to use as organ doner resources for the recently deceased to have their bodies preserve longer to allow for more donations

but the main point is more regular checks/scans/tests. because what could simply be a pill form medication at stage 1, which is more acceptable than intravenous medication stage 2-3 or intubation stage 4
finding cancer at stage one is so much more simple to handle and prevent from getting to stages 2-3-4

but this is not really a biden thought up pledge. many countries have this plan.
trump had 4 years already to activate it.. but didnt
so lets see if biden does

UK for instance already started:
https://www.england.nhs.uk/2020/11/nhs-to-pilot-potentially-revolutionary-blood-test/

diagnostics so far are for when people suffer from symptoms
with current 1000 diagnoses per day and a 450 cancer deaths thats 45% death rate
if they can diagnose people stage 1 with a 10x survival rate. (45 death/1000) then thats an achievement by itself even without any R&D in new medications
45% down to 4.5% death rate can be achieved by just early diagnoses

[Cnut237]

Last I checked Joe isn't a certified oncologist and doesn't have any background in the field of medicine. Why is he making promises about things he clearly has no idea about.

Because he is a politician.

Yes. This is a good illustration of how politics works. Promise anything you like, in order to get elected. Then once you are elected, well, job done, there is no need to then deliver on those promises.
Having said this, curing cancer is obviously a great goal, and if he can actually put some effort into this, even by just diverting some wasteful spending (say some of the defence budget) towards this, then that's certainly a Good Thing.

[franky1]

Last I checked Joe isn't a certified oncologist and doesn't have any background in the field of medicine. Why is he making promises about things he clearly has no idea about.

Because he is a politician.

Yes. This is a good illustration of how politics works. Promise anything you like, in order to get elected. Then once you are elected, well, job done, there is no need to then deliver on those promises.
Having said this, curing cancer is obviously a great goal, and if he can actually put some effort into this, even by just diverting some wasteful spending (say some of the defence budget) towards this, then that's certainly a Good Thing.

i think elected leaders should make pledges and receive penalties for not fulfilling them. like deception charges and jailtime.
heck even impeachment is a weak penalty.
its like a naughty schoolboy that hates school being "penalised" by being excluded from school.

i think that leaders need to be made more accountable for their actions. and not just being asked to resign

[BADecker]

How long will it take Joe Biden to fulfill a campaign promise to cure cancer?


If he starts now, by 2024, when Trump leaves office, he might have something promising to offer the people.





EDIT: Oh, I forgot. By 2024, old Joe will still be in prison for treason, if he hasn't been executed, by then, that is.

[Twinkledoe]

Last I checked Joe isn't a certified oncologist and doesn't have any background in the field of medicine. Why is he making promises about things he clearly has no idea about.

Because he is a politician.

Yes. This is a good illustration of how politics works. Promise anything you like, in order to get elected. Then once you are elected, well, job done, there is no need to then deliver on those promises.
Having said this, curing cancer is obviously a great goal, and if he can actually put some effort into this, even by just diverting some wasteful spending (say some of the defence budget) towards this, then that's certainly a Good Thing.

i think elected leaders should make pledges and receive penalties for not fulfilling them. like deception charges and jailtime.
heck even impeachment is a weak penalty.
its like a naughty schoolboy that hates school being "penalised" by being excluded from school.

i think that leaders need to be made more accountable for their actions. and not just being asked to resign

This is where the credibility of politicians loses. They are promising things that is out of their control and expertise. And that is just normal behaviour of most politicians. Nothing new. Considering that there are so many types of cancer, I don't think even one he can have that cure before his term ends. Reality check here!

[franky1]

This is where the credibility of politicians loses. They are promising things that is out of their control and expertise. And that is just normal behaviour of most politicians. Nothing new. Considering that there are so many types of cancer, I don't think even one he can have that cure before his term ends. Reality check here!

things like promising to provide funding to allow the '50 cancer test' blood sample initiative does not mean biden needs to be a blood/cancer expert. he just needs to give grants to a lab that can expand testing blood. the lab then are the experts that do it.

no one is suggesting that biden himself becomes a lab tech. but he certainly and easily can initiate better cancer testing/screening. heck even american insurance companies will pay for it. after all if they can pay $50 now knowing it will save them paying out $40k later. they too would rather have their insured members checked often and not left until stage 4

however the thing that i will think is harder to achieve would be to get citizens to sign on as organ/bone marrow doners. as leukaemia which requires bone marrow is the harder cancer to cure if there is no bone marrow

they can make as much chemo pills as they like but bone marrow is on limited supply. so thats going to be a tougher strategy to initiate

[Igebotz]

Biden is a politician what were you expecting him to say? During a political rally, you have the mic to yourself the only objective is to say the impossible to make people see reason why you want to lead them and to make your opponents look like a loser to win. We all know how cancer works and there have been research over the last decades to find a cure yet no cure. Biden made a lot of  promises during his campaign rally That's what any politician seeking a position would do...

[Tzupy]

Biden can't cure his own dementia, why would anyone believe that he'll do anything to cure cancer?
Big Pharma will negociate with President-elect Harris (as Biden recently called her), then Biden will sign whatever bills
 that will make Big Pharma even richer, while adding a couple of weeks of survival time for advanced cancer patients.