[POLL] Let’s say Trump did win the election...

[BADecker]

Absolutely DON'T say that Trump won the election. Why not? Then people would become complacent, thinking that Trump won, and they wouldn't be examining the election fraud that is being used to take their freedom away.

[squatz1]

The Obama administration also briefed Trump on the Steele dossier (that was later described by someone in the Obama administration as "unverified") and immediately leaked this to the press.

I think a lot of people are assuming that because Trump uses the office of the president to pressure intelligence and law enforcement agencies into investigating specific people and businesses that this is normal.  It's not.  Like presidents before him, Obama was not involved in FBI decisions to investigate or charge Americans.

while in reality, there was never any evidence that the Trump administration colluded with Russia.

You should read the Mueller report.

How about this, for example: A Russian intelligence officers flying into NYC from Russia for secret a meeting with Trumps campaign director (who's last job was getting Putins hand picked candidate elected as president of Ukraine) where internal campaign data was shared, and the idea to allow Russia to annex more of Ukraine was discussed.

She also said that she could beat Trump "again", among other things that showed she did not accept the results of the election.

She also received almost 3 million votes than Trump and was responding to a Trump tweet saying something like "I think crooked Hillary should run again so I can have another easy huge win".

The Obama administration took many steps to prevent Trump from implementing his policies (exercise his power, as vested by the Constitution). For example, Sally Yates (an Obama administration holdover) refused to defend Trump's travel ban that was later found constitutional by the Supreme Court.

That's not true at all.  I suggest reading the EO from Jan 2016 and comparing it to the Muslim Ban 3.0 that the Supreme Court allowed almost 2 years later.

Also, her refusing to enforce it was not a step to prevent Trump from implementing it.  It was her way of quitting in protest - by publicly announcing she would not follow Trumps orders, she knowingly forced Trump to instantly fire her.




In the end, even if all of these points were valid, and most of them are not, none of them would justify the way Trump has responded to losing the election.

Yeah to be honest I REALLY do not agree with the Trump administration / campaigns response to losing the election. They’re blocking access to briefings, not allowing their people to come in and see what’s going on. It’s going to make it a lot harder for the incoming administration to respond to all of the problems that are going on right now — and we all know the Elephant in the room is Covid.

Here is blocking at the Pentagon - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/pentagon-biden-transition-delays-b1781355.html

Here is obstruction at the OMB - https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/30/abraham-blasts-trump-omb-pentagon-452354

So yeah, totally can’t justify the way Trump is and has been responding to losing the election.

[BADecker]

^^^ In war - this is a war with China - you don't show the enemy your attack strategies.

[OgNasty]

Patrick Byrne has really stepped up his efforts to cast doubt on the election results.  His twitter has been overflowing with fun reads.

https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne

His recent interview with Roseann Barr was good for some entertainment as well.  Doesn't matter if you're a believer in what they're saying or not, those two are enjoyable to watch interact with each other.  You can check it out here: https://youtu.be/v50vbCfiRt0

[plr]

I think at this point even if the election was rigged, we should focus on fixing the problems going forward. Having Trump continue to be president after Biden was widely announced as the winner would be a strange asterisk on election results that would be an embarrassment to America. While this is the most typical 2020 election result we could have expected, I’m not sure we want to carry this on beyond January 20th.

What do you think? Is it about who rightly won or respecting the given outcome?

This is the first time it happen I thought it only happen to other countries like mine where losing candidate will never admit that he losses the election but only got cheated, I never thought that a losing US presidential candidate  will do such thing, this is a bad precedent, they are the leading democratic country and their leaders should know when is the right time to admit his loss, Trump ruin so many things.

[KingScorpio]

just because the corrupt media cartel tries to coup biden into power, doesn't mean its legit, the corrupt media is the problem

the future of american binary politics is:

you are either siding with trump and the republicans or with the racist and marxist democrats

[squatz1]

Patrick Byrne has really stepped up his efforts to cast doubt on the election results.  His twitter has been overflowing with fun reads.

https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne

His recent interview with Roseann Barr was good for some entertainment as well.  Doesn't matter if you're a believer in what they're saying or not, those two are enjoyable to watch interact with each other.  You can check it out here: https://youtu.be/v50vbCfiRt0

All of the twitter accounts have been overflowing with fun reads. One of Trumps lawyers — Lin Wood — has been going on a tear on twitter about everything and nothing at the sametime.

He’s been talking about election fraud, Chief Justice John Roberts and his alleged (from Lin Wood) pedophilia, Jeffrey Epstein, and so on and so forth.

Guy is pretty much talking about everything and nothing while making outlandish claims and providing zero evidence.

[TwitchySeal]

So I spent like 2 hours reading some of his Blogs and most of Deep Capture last night.  Byrne knows how to tell a story. And I think he's probably just insane and got realllly lucky but maybe not.

[OgNasty]

So I spent like 2 hours reading some of his Blogs and most of Deep Capture last night.  Byrne knows how to tell a story. And I think he's probably just insane and got realllly lucky but maybe not.

He does seem like he could be legitimately insane at times, but he also seems like a crazy genius and fun person to be around.  I've actually said a few times that if I could sit down with one person from the crypto world, it would be Patrick Byrne.  His Maria Butina & Brian Williams experiences alone would be such amazing stories to hear. 

For fun, here he is memorizing a deck of cards: https://rumble.com/vc7qgv-patrick-byrne-memorizing-a-deck-of-cards.html

[BADecker]

Why does it take government people so long to realize that the government people they trust are not to be trusted without finding out if they are trustworthy first?

If there are allegations of fraud in elections, why would any government election person try to stop investigations into it? Oh yes. If he is part of the fraud... right?

Arizona.


Maricopa County Treasurer Resigns in Disgust, Joins Recall Effort Against Officials...

Former Maricopa County Treasurer Royce Flora has resigned from his post in disgust and will be working to recall some of his former colleagues.

Flora stated that he is abdicating his position because "the political environment at the county has become so toxic I have no desire to endure further abuse." He will be replaced by State Rep. John Allen, who was previously scheduled to take over the position in mid-January.

Board of Supervisors Chairman Clint Hickman is denying that there is anything wrong with his operation.

"Maricopa County is a great place to work," Hickman said. "Filled with hardworking people, servicing the needs of the fastest growing county in the United States."

Flora is not tolerating the spin from Hickman. He is intending to "participate in the recall" effort against supervisors who have abdicated their duty to properly investigate voter fraud.

There are currently four recall petitions that have targeted supervisors for disregarding "the fundamental rights of Arizona citizens afforded by our United States and State of Arizona Constitution." Because of the shameful recent behavior of the Board of Supervisors, these recall petitions may be effective.

[OgNasty]

I feel like recent events prove my point a little bit. It’s an absolute shame what happened as a result of the mistrust in our election system. We should be focusing on fixing the system though, and not lashing out. I’m glad that Trump finally seems to be on board with giving up his pursuit of a second term.

[mindrust]

- If Trump won the results should be overturned and he should be made president.

I think at this point even if the election was rigged, we should focus on fixing the problems going forward. Having Trump continue to be president after Biden was widely announced as the winner would be a strange asterisk on election results that would be an embarrassment to America. While this is the most typical 2020 election result we could have expected, I’m not sure we want to carry this on beyond January 20th.

What do you think? Is it about who rightly won or respecting the given outcome?

Nobody needs to be embarrassed unless he/she/it openly defended the fraud.

If there is any wrong doing, then it needs to be fixed. Otherwise nobody will believe in democracy ever again.

*Just like you assuming that the election was rigged.

[BADecker]

Let’s say Trump did win the election...


Trump did win the election!!!

There. Said it.

[Cnut237]

If Trump thinks he won, then he should provide evidence to support his claim, which should then be considered in court, and everyone should then abide by the court's verdict. If anyone disagrees with the verdict they can then supply evidence to support their claim, and take it back to court.

That's how it should work and how it has to work to ensure transparency and accuracy. All hypothetical really though as Trump hasn't supplied any evidence. Unless he can come up with something quickly, then it's already settled. Tantrums and imploring people to storm the Capitol don't really support his cause. Evidence or at the very least reasonable doubt are what we need.

[Tash]

The Affidavit from Italy that was handed to members of congress during the week

[TwitchySeal]

So are you done with the whole "Dominion/Venezuela switched Trump votes" conspiracy theory?

[OgNasty]

Now they're trying to impeach him while he's walking out the door...  This is the kind of immature back and forth pathetic bullshit I never thought I'd see in the US government.  Trump is an asshole, sure.  This petty move from the democrats is only adding fuel to the fire that is burning America's reputation.  Pelosi is a child with a grudge, and it's so sad to see this level of maturity from our elected leaders.  They're politicians for god's sake.  All they have to do is not act like children, but here we are.  You could expect this type of pettiness from business leaders, but politicians?  Pathetic. 

[TwitchySeal]

Now they're trying to impeach him while he's walking out the door...  This is the kind of immature back and forth pathetic bullshit I never thought I'd see in the US government.  Trump is an asshole, sure.  This petty move from the democrats is only adding fuel to the fire that is burning America's reputation.  Pelosi is a child with a grudge, and it's so sad to see this level of maturity from our elected leaders.  They're politicians for god's sake.  All they have to do is not act like children, but here we are.  You could expect this type of pettiness from business leaders, but politicians?  Pathetic.  

I think it sets a pretty good precedent: If a president tries to stay in power after losing the election by organizing an event that ends up turning into basically a terrorist attack intended to keep him in power, on the capital, while congress is in session...that's an impeachable offense, and you shouldn't expect a free pass on impeachable offenses just because you're already on the way out the door.

Take Trump out of the equation and imagine it's AOC or Biden.  I don't think you're calling it petty then.

[mindrust]

Now they're trying to impeach him while he's walking out the door...  This is the kind of immature back and forth pathetic bullshit I never thought I'd see in the US government.  Trump is an asshole, sure.  This petty move from the democrats is only adding fuel to the fire that is burning America's reputation.  Pelosi is a child with a grudge, and it's so sad to see this level of maturity from our elected leaders.  They're politicians for god's sake.  All they have to do is not act like children, but here we are.  You could expect this type of pettiness from business leaders, but politicians?  Pathetic.  

Everybody starts to see their real intentions...


https://twitter.com/RonPaul/status/1348694943905308672

...even their own supporters.

What could Ron Paul possibly have said to get himself banned from Facebook for fucks sake?

[Cnut237]

Now they're trying to impeach him while he's walking out the door...  This is the kind of immature back and forth pathetic bullshit I never thought I'd see in the US government.  Trump is an asshole, sure.  This petty move from the democrats is only adding fuel to the fire that is burning America's reputation.  Pelosi is a child with a grudge, and it's so sad to see this level of maturity from our elected leaders.  They're politicians for god's sake.  All they have to do is not act like children, but here we are.  You could expect this type of pettiness from business leaders, but politicians?  Pathetic.  

It does have a purpose, though. It prevents him running again in 2024.
Still, not sure it's a good idea, or what effect this will have on an already riled-up Trump fanbase. Actually, forget that, I am sure of the effect. Expect a gun-totin' outing to the Capitol.