Hamster powered races

[fiulpro]

Few months before I saw a post here when a guy apparently have his idea about using his hamster for marble races for gambling and guess what ??

https://cointelegraph.com/news/the-future-of-gambling-hamster-powered-marble-races-come-to-ethereum/amp

Apparently the article has been published and it's all going forth.

The races are called *Mia and the Marbles*

I also found their youtube video and it's indeed very funny 🤣https://youtu.be/ZH4jqS53TXE

Well honestly for me the probability of one marble winning is low so I won't really bet on it but I think we can just do it for fun though.

Did someone here engage in such races ?
How was it ?
Did you win / loose?

It's not only funny but I won't mind loosing for the hamster lol whosoever's idea it was congratulations!!!

https://mia.bet/play

Here is their site :3

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[Lorence.xD]

Never heard of this one in particular, the same race that I know of is marble races which are streamed by some Twitch streamers. This one looks fun I have to agree and I think that it will be a fair race because I do not see any hamster trained or bred to be a racing champion which means that a house pet hamster could be a champion. You also have to consider the hamster ball.

[fiulpro]

Never heard of this one in particular, the same race that I know of is marble races which are streamed by some Twitch streamers. This one looks fun I have to agree and I think that it will be a fair race because I do not see any hamster trained or bred to be a racing champion which means that a house pet hamster could be a champion. You also have to consider the hamster ball.

I heard about this one from a guy who actually wanted to see how his idea will work and posted here , I literally never knew it would become big. The hamster is happy and I do think this would not only make her more engaged with her owners but people from all over the world can count on her. The only thing I am sad about is that they are using ETH and not BTC but then again it's easier with the transfer fee and such.

Plus the hamster has been taken care of and I did looked though their site , it's not like mia is running on the wheel for a long long time. She does get rest ! Apparently the next bet is like 11hr away so it's a good thing that they are giving her a considerable amount of rest and taking care of her health.

Now see this is way better than gambling of cock fighting , on horse races ! This is indeed not harming anyone.

[crwth]

I have read this a couple of months back, and it's interesting. The first time I saw marbles racing is in an outside place where soil and mud were formed into racetracks. The commentary is hilarious, but it's quite entertaining, to be honest. If I have some spare money that I could lose, I would probably try betting one or two times to see how fun it would be while watching it. It's a different kind of game that could make you cheer for marbles. Lol.

[BuNga_cute]

I first saw the teaser video and was immediately curious to try this gambling game. Because I'm a fan of Hamster too, I noticed that the type of
hamster used for the game is the Campbell type. Very cute hamster, I hope the Hamster won't get tired if there are many enthusiasts with this
gambling game. Anyway thank you for opening post sharing this information, After making this post I will immediately check the website.

[Zackgeno96]

I think I've seen some users already posted this game here before I'm not quite sure if this would be popular but I've visited this website multiple times but it says that the hamster is sleeping does it mean that the race will vary depends on the hamster's mood?

[maydna]

I watched that video before on a thread, but I have mistaken the title. I don't engage in that bet yet, but that game was interesting because I think it's a new idea implemented in gambling games. The hamster can integrate with the ethereum blockchain, and that make curiosity to the gambler because it will not be easy to win. After all, the game was based purely on luck. You can watch the video on the site to know how to place your bet. It is hard to predict the hamster run, so you need to be careful. But I guess the game needs to spread on many websites to attract more people to play.

[Wexnident]

Yea I saw the same post a few months back, and it honestly seemed interesting. I've seen marbles in twitch, marble races in youtube, but I sure as hell have not seen Marbles and Hamsters together. It's a pretty interesting idea considering that the Hamster is literally the one that decides the traps difficulty, unlike normal marble races which have static obstacles or constant ones that don't really change throughout the race. Glad that it looks good right now, innovation like this is honestly quite good considering how the type of games that gambling has stagnated imo.

[Lorence.xD]

I heard about this one from a guy who actually wanted to see how his idea will work and posted here , I literally never knew it would become big. The hamster is happy and I do think this would not only make her more engaged with her owners but people from all over the world can count on her. The only thing I am sad about is that they are using ETH and not BTC but then again it's easier with the transfer fee and such.

Plus the hamster has been taken care of and I did looked though their site , it's not like mia is running on the wheel for a long long time. She does get rest ! Apparently the next bet is like 11hr away so it's a good thing that they are giving her a considerable amount of rest and taking care of her health.

Now see this is way better than gambling of cock fighting , on horse races ! This is indeed not harming anyone.

AFAIK about hamsters, they do not get tired in hamster balls, they actually love the fact that they can move around. PETA might be on the ass of this one person though, you know how PETA does not like animals to be 'exploited' by humans when they are doing euthanasia on sheltered animals. Cockfighting is a famous game in my country, there are dedicated stadiums just for that and local officials even bet. Does anyone have the OP(Original Post)? I have seen the idea but in these forum it did not get that much traction.

[Darker45]

I have watched the video. Well, it is cute. It is fun as well. But if I were to think of it as a gambling platform where people would risk their real money, I don't think it is safe. Or perhaps I have yet to be thoroughly briefed on the nitty gritty parts of it.

In the first place, how could we determine fairness of this game? No problem with the hamster. It is not biased for sure. But are the marbles exactly of the same weight, texture, and so on? Is the board plain enough that the arrangement of the marbles before they start rolling wouldn't have any effect? These are just some of my questions in mind pertaining to fairness.

[kolesozw]

The video is hilarious

This is a hamster-powered plinko. While it's fun to watch, I wouldn't put my money on that. The hamster is not "provably-fair"

And if this becomes viral, the author or organizer could get into trouble for "exploiting" animals.

[AicecreaME]

When most of the gamblers says "Gambling is for entertainment only", this is the real definition of that.

I think a similar post was already discussed here in this section, but still here's my opinion about animal races. We're all aware that animal races somehow abuses the animals forcing them to races even they don't want to, for example is horse race and dog race, on which I think seems unfair to the side of the animals. In this race, which is a hamster race, I don't see any kind of issue since hamsters are known to be a volty and mischievous animals that likes to run and play.

I just hope hamster racing wouldn't go overboard like they are forcing them to eat or drink supplements that'll make them more fast or whatsoever, being a natural one is enough already.

[imstillthebest]

i remember the old thread and i searched it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5294998.0 but i found out that there is already a game like that before https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208031.0 . the thread was last two years ago , 2019 .

I just hope hamster racing wouldn't go overboard like they are forcing them to eat or drink supplements that'll make them more fast or whatsoever, being a natural one is enough already.

this is what im also thinking ,

like on other animal gambling where competitors try to experiment with their animals before the fight to make them extra ordinary because they are verry eager to win the game but if the gambling site is strict and check all the hamster if they are normal condition it wont be a problem  but if we dont want to see this , there are still marble race that we can play as alternative

[AmoreJaz]

When most of the gamblers says "Gambling is for entertainment only", this is the real definition of that.

I think a similar post was already discussed here in this section, but still here's my opinion about animal races. We're all aware that animal races somehow abuses the animals forcing them to races even they don't want to, for example is horse race and dog race, on which I think seems unfair to the side of the animals. In this race, which is a hamster race, I don't see any kind of issue since hamsters are known to be a volty and mischievous animald that likes to run and play.

I just hope hamster racing wouldn't go overboard like they are forcing them to eat or drink supplements that'll make them more fast or whatsoever, being a natural one is enough already.

yes, it is.

this is the older discussion thread - I want to know about this game.

and this is the service announcement from the MiaAndTheMarbles - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206396

the funny thing here is - their service ann is not gaining attention but thread like this is gaining attention from the users here.   i sent them msg in their telegram channel about the old thread before

[btc_angela]

I'm interested, but I haven't bet on it, but I'm familiar with such races before.

And for the record, I have 9 hamster couple of months ago, gave 3 to my niece so 6 now in my house.  Maybe I should train them, although I have built a maze for them to play. 

[swogerino]

This is funny to watch.For me when it comes to hamsters the first thing that comes to mind is some red light videos 😜.However I would never bet on such events as animals have no logic and they can behave in strange ways which would correspond to losing money if we bet on them as is often the case with greyhound racing.

[robelneo]

Very interesting I have never seen any kind of online game like this, the video fully explain how it works, the site is new I check the traffic rank and I can easily tell that it is very new,  and since this is a Cryptocurrency based online game, one of the developers or a representative should come down here and promote and open an announcement thread here, I'm sure being a new game it will generate interest among gamers and gamblers here.

[Ucy]

I guess it's one of those articles about betting with animals that makes you wonder if it's going to be abused or not.  If such thing attracts people who are willing to abuse animals and take big risk for selfish reasons then I don't think it is an idea worth encouraging.  I believe good betting space should be both useful and safe for everyone.
Hopefully it's not even real animal

[sunsilk]

I knew about marble racing and watched videos of it on YouTube. There's a commentary but there's no bets so placing it with bet is really an idea that haven't thought of before. That marble race is just a content which has been done on the sands.

That was entertaining honestly and having to see this with mia bet that adds unforessen obstacles for the race adds suspense. But it's better if the race will be longer than the one seen on the video sample. If an animal groups organization will get to see this, they'll complain about it as animal cruelty although it can be done even without the hamster.

[shoreno]

Very interesting I have never seen any kind of online game like this, the video fully explain how it works, the site is new I check the traffic rank and I can easily tell that it is very new,  and since this is a Cryptocurrency based online game, one of the developers or a representative should come down here and promote and open an announcement thread here, I'm sure being a new game it will generate interest among gamers and gamblers here.

you can reffer to the links given above by our forum members . on their links it has an announcement and promotion threads however the announcement thread was posted on a wrong section , it was posted on altcoin boards and it havent gained much attention there but if they can move it on the gambling section,

 i think it belongs there because its a gambling . they can gather lots of attention and players . they arent new aswell but their threads was posted on the month of december 2k19

[Digital_Lord]

The man behind this must be very creative. he's making hell a lot of profit out of his little hamster.

I think I've seen some users already posted this game here before I'm not quite sure if this would be popular but I've visited this website multiple times but it says that the hamster is sleeping does it mean that the race will vary depends on the hamster's mood?

this is what they seem to claim. but I've checked some of their previous livestreams of the race. I saw that  Mia (the Hamster) was not even running on the wheel at all . she was just running around her cage. but still the marbles got triggered and race happened.

Go to https://mia.bet/play and watch the video of round 24. you can see (to watch previous videos you have to finish the current video at the end you'll see the past videos in in player's end screen)

after watching this it is confusing for me now.

[kotajikikox]

https://mia.bet/play

What We have when we were Young is a Mouse that was covered By a Pale and circling with Number combination that Has small Houses with a Door ,when the Pale took off then the Mouse will run fast to Enter which ever room closes to Him ,and that will decide who wins in the Game.

But this cute Hamster ?nope Have not seen like this and yeah this is So fun watching and also Playing I'm sure.

[bitterguy28]

Those Hamster Should be Playing and not used for entertainment , Though I must admit the set up is Cool and Attractive .

I knew about marble racing and watched videos of it on YouTube. There's a commentary but there's no bets so placing it with bet is really an idea that haven't thought of before. That marble race is just a content which has been done on the sands.

Like what OP said ,i have seen a Post here in regards to This.

That was entertaining honestly and having to see this with mia bet that adds unforessen obstacles for the race adds suspense. But it's better if the race will be longer than the one seen on the video sample. If an animal groups organization will get to see this, they'll complain about it as animal cruelty although it can be done even without the hamster.

Yeah ,The fun is too short ,Looking for More obstacles if they really tend this for Entertainment .

[sunsilk]

That was entertaining honestly and having to see this with mia bet that adds unforessen obstacles for the race adds suspense. But it's better if the race will be longer than the one seen on the video sample. If an animal groups organization will get to see this, they'll complain about it as animal cruelty although it can be done even without the hamster.

Yeah ,The fun is too short ,Looking for More obstacles if they really tend this for Entertainment .

Just a longer race it would make it fun. I don't know if that's the actual race that has been shown in the sample video that they have in the front page.

It just have to be longer and whether more obstacles or lesser, it will make the betting add more fun.

The man behind this must be very creative. he's making hell a lot of profit out of his little hamster.

Creative with those obstacles but he can choose to make another material to work it out instead of the little hamster. But I guess that's where the attention starts because of mia the hamster.

[YuginKadoya]

I think that is quite nice and cute indeed, anything can be done when you want to produce your own gambling platform, And this is powered by a cute hamster, and in our country, we had the popular cockfighting that now has online bets because of the pandemic, and recently I have seen a type of gambling where they are betting on spiders, ants, beetle, any sort of things that your mind can think of but the remarkable thing with mia and the marble there is a contraption that would let you bet on the marbles that are powered by a hamster is indeed much OK than betting on cockfights that on cock would definitely die in the end.

I would try that in my free time because of curiosity.

[fiulpro]

I think that is quite nice and cute indeed, anything can be done when you want to produce your own gambling platform, And this is powered by a cute hamster, and in our country, we had the popular cockfighting that now has online bets because of the pandemic, and recently I have seen a type of gambling where they are betting on spiders, ants, beetle, any sort of things that your mind can think of but the remarkable thing with mia and the marble there is a contraption that would let you bet on the marbles that are powered by a hamster is indeed much OK than betting on cockfights that on cock would definitely die in the end.

I would try that in my free time because of curiosity.

Not only that they have branded marble racing literally. When someone would try and think of it, it would be their site they would go to , they did include ETH in there too which made it all better since the sending and receiving charges are far less thus it's more convenient for everyone. But the only thing is the wager is predetermined. In the future I do believe we will have many more ideas like this but this is again way better than other sports like bull fighting, cock fighting etc.

I've seen this game it's based on ethereum blocks mined, i just don't how the poles work and which of them will pop out to change the direction of the marbles. Its a fun game, a new exciting way for gambling enthusiast.
Which is very challenging in my opinion, although there are many similar games in casino's but the difference this uses live hamster.

It gives more entertainment to the viewer just like the time we purchased tickets to visit zoo or any animal sanctuary, it's the same thing but a little cuter. This shows us how gambling is 99% about entertainment.
Since it's a place where loosing would just buy Mia some treats for sure. I don't know what's their house edge though.

[plvbob0070]

This is something I never heard before, though it's quite cute and funny to watch. However, I kinda think that there's no much excitement watching this aside from the cuteness since based on the video, the track is so short so it will only take a few seconds to know who will win. I don't know for others but for me, it would lack thrill and excitement compared to other types of races. It might be cute at first but can also get boring after some time. Thus, the idea is nice especially if there's a different level of the tracks where it gets longer and more hurdles something liken that.

[Rodeo02]

I guess it's one of those articles about betting with animals that makes you wonder if it's going to be abused or not.  If such thing attracts people who are willing to abuse animals and take big risk for selfish reasons then I don't think it is an idea worth encouraging.  I believe good betting space should be both useful and safe for everyone.
Hopefully it's not even real animal

For fun its OK but if the animals abuse its different story there are already laws thatw protect animals even how small they are .thats why I think it  will not going to be  abuse base on the article .the only problem is that if many people may imitate it and not be able to control themselves when they are the one who do it and at those times there may be animal can be abuse.

[Fundamentals Of]

I guess it's one of those articles about betting with animals that makes you wonder if it's going to be abused or not.  If such thing attracts people who are willing to abuse animals and take big risk for selfish reasons then I don't think it is an idea worth encouraging.  I believe good betting space should be both useful and safe for everyone.
Hopefully it's not even real animal

For fun its OK but if the animals abuse its different story there are already laws thatw protect animals even how small they are .thats why I think it not be abuse base on the article .the only problem is that many people may imitate it and not be able to control themselves when they are the one who do it by themselves and at those times there may be animal can be abuse.

If this becomes big and a lot of people and sites would imitate it, there would be a lot of hamsters that will be used for this. I am not really a strong animal rights advocate but I am not a fan either. I am not a fan of horse racing for gambling's sake. I am not a fan of horse fighting, dog fighting, cockfighting, etc. for gambling's sake. I think it is not fun to put animals on the line for the sake of our vanities and vices.

[ecnalubma]

I just watched the video and found it really cool, I don't know to animal rights activist lol. Well as long as it does not violate any laws its good that this game could be a new attraction to gamblers looking for a new and exciting way to bet. Gambling using animals is been around for centuries but platform owners these days should be very careful of what they cater their users to avoid headaches with the authorities since almost everything should be regulated.

[samputin]

I just watched the video and found it really cool, I don't know to animal rights activist lol. Well as long as it does not violate any laws its good that this game could be a new attraction to gamblers looking for a new and exciting way to bet. Gambling using animals is been around for centuries but platform owners these days should be very careful of what they cater their users to avoid headaches with the authorities since almost everything should be regulated.

Oh, that's actually a good matter to point out since it involves an animal. It's a cute concept and the hamster is such a cutie. But, as long as it does not violate any laws especially regarding the animal involved, then maybe they should get along with it. Might as well try it if I got the chance.

[bitbollo]

with current transaction fees it's a very expensive game ! I think that a game like this could be more profitable if people can gamble with other currencies (like dogecoin or trx). it would be nice also a version with more bets available like tris (bigger odds up to @125) / or "placed" (1-3th position).

[mardaed]

The game is quite unique and I am very interested to see how it works and how we can get an advantage in order to win in our bet to this kind of game. If the races are fair and we can verify that is genuinely in live then this kind of game will surely to become popular as the days passes by knowing that there are many gamblers out there who likes to try unique games like this one where hamsters are the star of the game.

[virasisog]

I have watched the whole video and I have seen videos similar to this on social media before. It was fun and interesting and it even makes my heart melt seeing those little creatures. Well, its uniqueness will surely catch the attention of most players and as long as the little animals are safe, there's nothing wrong with it. It will surely become more popular in the coming days.

[acroman08]

When most of the gamblers says "Gambling is for entertainment only", this is the real definition of that.

I think a similar post was already discussed here in this section, but still here's my opinion about animal races. We're all aware that animal races somehow abuses the animals forcing them to races even they don't want to, for example is horse race and dog race, on which I think seems unfair to the side of the animals. In this race, which is a hamster race, I don't see any kind of issue since hamsters are known to be a volty and mischievous animald that likes to run and play.

I just hope hamster racing wouldn't go overboard like they are forcing them to eat or drink supplements that'll make them more fast or whatsoever, being a natural one is enough already.

yes, it is.

this is the older discussion thread - I want to know about this game.

and this is the service announcement from the MiaAndTheMarbles - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206396

the funny thing here is - their service ann is not gaining attention but thread like this is gaining attention from the users here.   i sent them msg in their telegram channel about the old thread before

the probable reason is that the ANN thread posted in service announcement(altcoin). the thread is most likely buried from the amount of post being generated on that board also, there are not many gamblers discussing gambling on service announcement(altcoin). I think the ANN thread would have generated attention if it was posted on gambling board and the website is accepting bitcoin and altcoin(maybe several altcoins)

[dimonstration]

I guess it's one of those articles about betting with animals that makes you wonder if it's going to be abused or not.  If such thing attracts people who are willing to abuse animals and take big risk for selfish reasons then I don't think it is an idea worth encouraging.  I believe good betting space should be both useful and safe for everyone.
Hopefully it's not even real animal

There are many gambling or racing/fighting game that involves animal. Hopefully this act will end since they sometimes tortured or force to do things out of fear or not being able to eat if they will not do it like those animal in carnivals. Now that we are in era of technology it is really better to engaged it thru computer and not anymore in real animals. Like games that will require some skills or adding items to boost their ability.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

This reminds me the guys who had a site of gambling in mice race. It was pretty straight forward like horse racing. They had 4/5 mice at one end and in the other end those mice had to run and whichever would reach there first was the winner. I watched their live feed and it was interesting.

Unfortunately they could not run the business and it seems the project is down too.

This was there ann
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5125196.260

[chaser15]

Not engaging yet in this type of gambling because it has no difference from other luck-based games.

But for fun and if the odds are attracting, why not? Might want to test my luck. Maybe there is a list of past results so that will be my only basis.

And one thing, the bet should come from a reputable website, and matches will be live stream.

[24Kt]

Not engaging yet in this type of gambling because it has no difference from other luck-based games.

But for fun and if the odds are attracting, why not? Might want to test my luck. Maybe there is a list of past results so that will be my only basis.

And one thing, the bet should come from a reputable website, and matches will be live stream.

If you want to check the past races, you can easily see that in their website -   https://mia.bet/past-races
Seems that they are already attracting players as the total payout in eth is already quite big for a starter. Maybe, if they are accepting other currencies like btc or doge, this one will attract more players from this forum.

[Shasha80]

Actually this hamster powered races game relies on luck to win, so for me it is the same as slot games. But what makes it interesting is because it
involves a very cute hamster, we can see on the video promotion how cute the hamster is. This may be what attracts some people to try this game,
to provide entertainment and a new atmosphere we can indeed try.

[chaser15]

If you want to check the past races, you can easily see that in their website -   https://mia.bet/past-races
Seems that they are already attracting players as the total payout in eth is already quite big for a starter. Maybe, if they are accepting other currencies like btc or doge, this one will attract more players from this forum.

Thanks, and there's a video link too on the past result.

And checking the results, predicting what color always win is really difficult. Should really be treated as for fun only.

About the supported currencies, the betting system is running in the ETH network so I think accepting BTC or any other crypto is not possible even demanded heavily by the community.

[CaVO32]

Actually this hamster powered races game relies on luck to win, so for me it is the same as slot games. But what makes it interesting is because it
involves a very cute hamster, we can see on the video promotion how cute the hamster is. This may be what attracts some people to try this game,
to provide entertainment and a new atmosphere we can indeed try.

Indeed! This is a refreshing game and a good diversion from the classic casino games. And this one, you just hope that the hamster you are rooting for will give you the luck.  Since it is eth-based game, maybe the reason why the owners can't actively promote in the main gambling board. Maybe, if they will add bitcoin, they can surely make their thread in the main board.

[milewilda]

Did someone here engage in such races ?
How was it ?
Did you win / loose?

Yeah, i remember this one and i do find it unique and i do even saw those gambling type about rat races in the past but it did eventually failed and stopped.
I wont be surprised if this will still end up the same because not all would really be that interested into these type of games.Yes, hamsters were cute but
it will not be an indication that lots of people will really be fan on playing on this one. Also, if you do try to check out the course it is just too short,
excitement isnt something in full blast plus they would be needing more some polishing specially on the course. Everything looks brown. lol

[dunfida]

Not engaging yet in this type of gambling because it has no difference from other luck-based games.

But for fun and if the odds are attracting, why not? Might want to test my luck. Maybe there is a list of past results so that will be my only basis.

And one thing, the bet should come from a reputable website, and matches will be live stream.

There are 7 colors for you to choose from which means that each marble will be having a chance to win in 14.2%.I dont know yet on what would be the odds or multiplier if you do able to get some hit.

For sure there are people will be criticizing this on using an animal for the benefit of its owner to make money without even realizing that hamsters does have natural behavior on running on that wheel.
It should really be a live stream one to ensure fairness of the games, i dont know on whats the the purpose of those circuits beyond on that hamsters cage.

[Twentyonepaylots]

The matches are streamed live and it's as I can attest, provably fair since it's the hamster controlling the odds anyway. What I'm hwavily converned about is the fact that the games might malfunction due to mouse error, there will be days where the mouse will not cooperate and people have already placed their bets, so how will the owners work around this? And as far as animal rights goes, is this ethical?

[michellee]

Somehow, I feel pity for that hamster that was being used for playing gambling. I do not know if that is right or not, but that hamster trying to give us another satisfaction in the new game. But if you want to play that game, I can only suggest you to be careful because this game is based on luck, so you will not have a big chance to win if you do not have luck. I do not try to play that game, but maybe later I will try it for one round.

[OgNasty]

And as far as animal rights goes, is this ethical?

I guess it depends if the hamster is just doing it’s normal routine or if they’re somehow forcing him or her to perform. From the looks of it, the hamster probably doesn’t even know what’s going on and is just enjoying normal spinning on it’s wheel. As far as including animals in betting, this seems one of the more humane approaches, plus it just sounds like a lot of fun.

[Ucy]

I guess it's one of those articles about betting with animals that makes you wonder if it's going to be abused or not.  If such thing attracts people who are willing to abuse animals and take big risk for selfish reasons then I don't think it is an idea worth encouraging.  I believe good betting space should be both useful and safe for everyone.
Hopefully it's not even real animal

For fun its OK but if the animals abuse its different story there are already laws thatw protect animals even how small they are .thats why I think it  will not going to be  abuse base on the article .the only problem is that if many people may imitate it and not be able to control themselves when they are the one who do it and at those times there may be animal can be abuse.

I think the game or whatever it's should benefit the animals, instead of just the players. The animals should not be maltreated or be forced to do things against what is good and safe for them.
I think the company/business should make it clear to users or customers that the animals are not badly treated/handled in any way. By the way, the word "gambling" create an impression that this will somehow be abused.

[YuginKadoya]

I think that is quite nice and cute indeed, anything can be done when you want to produce your own gambling platform, And this is powered by a cute hamster, and in our country, we had the popular cockfighting that now has online bets because of the pandemic, and recently I have seen a type of gambling where they are betting on spiders, ants, beetle, any sort of things that your mind can think of but the remarkable thing with mia and the marble there is a contraption that would let you bet on the marbles that are powered by a hamster is indeed much OK than betting on cockfights that on cock would definitely die in the end.

I would try that in my free time because of curiosity.

Not only that they have branded marble racing literally. When someone would try and think of it, it would be their site they would go to , they did include ETH in there too which made it all better since the sending and receiving charges are far less thus it's more convenient for everyone. But the only thing is the wager is predetermined. In the future I do believe we will have many more ideas like this but this is again way better than other sports like bull fighting, cock fighting etc.

Totally agree! this is way better than having an animal get hurt for the entertainment purpose, And I think that this kind of idea is great and can be applied in different ways for online entertainment as well, and I also like how we can play using ETH for faster transaction now that Bitcoin is way way up and unpredictable at the moment. I will try it when the live stream start but the difference in our timezone is a little predicament at the moment, but will try and stay up all night for me to play.

[harizen]

Somehow, I feel pity for that hamster that was being used for playing gambling. I do not know if that is right or not, but that hamster trying to give us another satisfaction in the new game. But if you want to play that game, I can only suggest you to be careful because this game is based on luck, so you will not have a big chance to win if you do not have luck. I do not try to play that game, but maybe later I will try it for one round.

Hmm, see the stream already? There's no such thing as the hamster is getting bad treatment here.

The hamster is just doing its routine operation, playing with the wheels. Mia even has one of the awesome cages around.

As per FAQ:

A new race starts whenever Mia ran 2km in her wheel.
It’s up to Mia to decide, when and how far she runs.
Once the accumulated distance equals 2km a new race will start automatically.

[michellee]

Somehow, I feel pity for that hamster that was being used for playing gambling. I do not know if that is right or not, but that hamster trying to give us another satisfaction in the new game. But if you want to play that game, I can only suggest you to be careful because this game is based on luck, so you will not have a big chance to win if you do not have luck. I do not try to play that game, but maybe later I will try it for one round.

Hmm, see the stream already? There's no such thing as the hamster is getting bad treatment here.

The hamster is just doing its routine operation, playing with the wheels. Mia even has one of the awesome cages around.

As per FAQ:

A new race starts whenever Mia ran 2km in her wheel.
It’s up to Mia to decide, when and how far she runs.
Once the accumulated distance equals 2km a new race will start automatically.

Yes, I know that. But I still feel not right to see Mia ran without knowing how long Mia will do that. Although Mia can stop anytime, Mia wants. But if you think that betting on that game is interesting, you can place your bet, and I hope you can win. I just do not feel right to see the animal has been used for playing gambling. I do not know with the other.

[madnessteat]

Haha the idea of using a hamster wheel to move obstacles on the field is very interesting and really fun. Do I understand correctly that the hash of the last etherium block affects the location of the raised pins on the playing field? If that's true, it's really a very cool idea.

[Ucy]

I think that is quite nice and cute indeed,. . .

Not only that they have branded marble racing literally. When someone would try and think of it, it would be their site they would go to , they did include ETH in there too which made it all better since the sending and receiving charges are far less thus it's more convenient for everyone. But the only thing is the wager is predetermined. In the future I do believe we will have many more ideas like this but this is again way better than other sports like bull fighting, cock fighting etc.

Totally agree! this is way better than having an animal get hurt for the entertainment purpose, And I think that this kind of idea is great and can be applied in different ways for online entertainment as well, and I also like how we can play using ETH for faster transaction now that Bitcoin is way way up and unpredictable at the moment. I will try it when the live stream start but the difference in our timezone is a little predicament at the moment, but will try and stay up all night for me to play.

I think people should also be concerned about people who bet on such games. It has to be safe for them too and should unlikely get them addicted, they should bet responsibly and should avoid betting with what they can't afford to lose.
I believe the human should benefit more and  be more protected in this.

[jrrsparkles]

Innovative idea for sure but honestly I don't like to bet in it but still I would like to play snd watch the game if I get a chance atleast once. Even though it was funny it won't be highly addictive as casino games so anyone can have fun while betting at this.

[hahay]

Interesting and will probably try it later, a bit of trouble checking the site might be due to my poor network. I was only thinking about a strategy for selecting the marbles right now but of course, it would be more fun to put it into practice right away. But looking at the video I think it might get more interesting once we've bet a few rounds, so there might be a little better way to determine the position of the marble to be selected in the next round.

[Saint-loup]

Few months before I saw a post here when a guy apparently have his idea about using his hamster for marble races for gambling and guess what ??

https://cointelegraph.com/news/the-future-of-gambling-hamster-powered-marble-races-come-to-ethereum/amp

Apparently the article has been published and it's all going forth.

The races are called *Mia and the Marbles*

I also found their youtube video and it's indeed very funny 🤣https://youtu.be/ZH4jqS53TXE

Well honestly for me the probability of one marble winning is low so I won't really bet on it but I think we can just do it for fun though.

Did someone here engage in such races ?
How was it ?
Did you win / loose?

It's not only funny but I won't mind loosing for the hamster lol whosoever's idea it was congratulations!!!

https://mia.bet/play

Here is their site :3

WOW it's really funny! It's one of the most surprising crypto gambling game I've ever heard of.
Do you know if hamsters make several races and if they have nicknames, like horses for example? so you can evaluate their performances and bet on the best ones ?

[Yamifoud]

Nah, it feels interesting but what a quick loss for us if we don't have luck on this.
I'd never try this nor I was familiar with this. I haven't seen the game has been played by many, or that something they don't want it.

Maybe, if the game will be improved it possible it hits on the casinos, the longer the table the better ...
The energy of the hamster might affect the result, I think. The most interesting to see is how the hamster doing his job for the gamblers.

[chaser15]

I hope they don't stress out the hamster too much if ever there will be lots of players coming in. The owner should have different hamster that's fine with what they were doing and it's all fine against the animal welfare.

There will be no stressed hamsters as the owner stated that the game will depend on the hamster's mood. That's where the game will rely on.

In the case of massive bets, I think there will be several hamsters that can put on the action at the same time or by batches.

[Twinkledoe]

I've seen a thread like this in the past I can't believe it's on the news now, although I have a little worry about the hamster but as long as the hamster is not forced to do such task and is enjoying only by spinning the wheel I can go with it. I hope they don't stress out the hamster too much if ever there will be lots of players coming in. The owner should have different hamster that's fine with what they were doing and it's all fine against the animal welfare.

They are currently round 28 on this game as seen from the website. Their thread created by the mia.bet staff is not gaining attraction but this one is.  



Also, from their past races, you can see that the race is not every day. So the hamster himself has enough time to rest.

https://mia.bet/past-races

[StartupAnalyst]

I've seen a thread like this in the past I can't believe it's on the news now, although I have a little worry about the hamster but as long as the hamster is not forced to do such task and is enjoying only by spinning the wheel I can go with it. I hope they don't stress out the hamster too much if ever there will be lots of players coming in. The owner should have different hamster that's fine with what they were doing and it's all fine against the animal welfare.

They are currently round 28 on this game as seen from the website. Their thread created by the mia.bet staff is not gaining attraction but this one is.  



Also, from their past races, you can see that the race is not every day. So the hamster himself has enough time to rest.

https://mia.bet/past-races

I think the hamster is having fun and likes these races, after all, it's not as boring as just sitting in a cage. So most likely the hamster is not resting and is exhausted waiting for the next race!

#NoHamsterBoredom!

[Alucard1]

This is new for me but I really love hamster, I have watched a video about a hamster who is in the maze, there are so many obstacles that he needs to pass before he reached the end of the maze. I am really amazed at it because it seems like hamsters are good and smart because of the things they have passed on the maze. So I think this race is also good especially if they add some twist on the race just like what I have watched on youtube. the

[Fredomago]

I hope they don't stress out the hamster too much if ever there will be lots of players coming in. The owner should have different hamster that's fine with what they were doing and it's all fine against the animal welfare.

There will be no stressed hamsters as the owner stated that the game will depend on the hamster's mood. That's where the game will rely on.

In the case of massive bets, I think there will be several hamsters that can put on the action at the same time or by batches.

Better to have it as batches but if the game relies with hamster's mood sure thing that they would not be getting stress, the game will go ahead once the hamsters start to move.

It's entertaining knowing that this twist of gamble adds up, gamblers who look for some entertainment that cool in the eyes will check it out and place some bets, though for sure there are gamblers who see this as opportunities taking a big risk looking for some good luck to go with their chosen pet  and nail the win.

[YOSHIE]

I've seen a topic about "Hamster powered racing" which is discussed here.
Example:

Topic: 🐹 Introducing mia.bet: Bet on hamster 🐹 powered marble races | beta

However, I haven't fully learned how to play this game.
Guide.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206396.0

Maybe this is an interesting game to learn and stake for the future, unique, if it promises.

[imstillthebest]

Maybe someday that other people will create more games about animals like cock fighting , I hope no more animals will die because of the people who wants to enjoy or earn money by gambling. But the hamster racing is good if there is no harm happen to them and maybe someday people will try to bet that game that related to the money it is enjoyable to watch also.

cock fighting is already present long time ago and we have also horse races , dogs ( but this one is illegal and not recomended ) but there could be more legal games that animals are involved .
the latest addition will be hamsters , people will slowly introduced new animals in the scene if old games are already starting to get boring .
some animals involved head to head fights like we see in cock or chicken but i guess this isnt cruel at all and if they die they are still going to be cook .  no animal wasted for entertainment purpose

[ethereumhunter]

Maybe someday that other people will create more games about animals like cock fighting , I hope no more animals will die because of the people who wants to enjoy or earn money by gambling. But the hamster racing is good if there is no harm happen to them and maybe someday people will try to bet that game that related to the money it is enjoyable to watch also.

People are creative to find another thing that they can use to bet, and as we see that hamsters, cockfighting, horse, dog, already been used in gambling. With the growth of technology, people will create a new gambling game that will satisfy them to spend money in the gambling industry. And the gambling industry itself will grow fast, and with the development of cryptocurrency, people will try to use crypto to gamble more than now.

[Cling18]

I hope they don't stress out the hamster too much if ever there will be lots of players coming in. The owner should have different hamster that's fine with what they were doing and it's all fine against the animal welfare.

There will be no stressed hamsters as the owner stated that the game will depend on the hamster's mood. That's where the game will rely on.

In the case of massive bets, I think there will be several hamsters that can put on the action at the same time or by batches.

I've seen this race's video on youtube before and it looks fun and interesting. Some people are against it because they think that hamsters are being abused but they should know that hamsters need exercise. They get bored when they don't do active exercises and the worse thing is they just chew and destroy their cage so this game is beneficial for players and the hamsters being used to run the game.

[fiulpro]

I hope they don't stress out the hamster too much if ever there will be lots of players coming in. The owner should have different hamster that's fine with what they were doing and it's all fine against the animal welfare.

There will be no stressed hamsters as the owner stated that the game will depend on the hamster's mood. That's where the game will rely on.

In the case of massive bets, I think there will be several hamsters that can put on the action at the same time or by batches.

Exactly I would not post for something that would actually engage in animal abuse. Hamsters love to run literally..

Maybe someday that other people will create more games about animals like cock fighting , I hope no more animals will die because of the people who wants to enjoy or earn money by gambling. But the hamster racing is good if there is no harm happen to them and maybe someday people will try to bet that game that related to the money it is enjoyable to watch also.

People are creative to find another thing that they can use to bet, and as we see that hamsters, cockfighting, horse, dog, already been used in gambling. With the growth of technology, people will create a new gambling game that will satisfy them to spend money in the gambling industry. And the gambling industry itself will grow fast, and with the development of cryptocurrency, people will try to use crypto to gamble more than now.

See what matters is this hamster race is not Harming the animals , but cock fighting and horse racing is different for sure. Plus these races are also cute to see with the comments of the owner.

Hamsters and other rodents do need a lot of exercise and mostly they remain unnoticed . Therefore I do believe this would actually bring some fun and also help people to engage more with their pets.

So please everyone don't worry about the same.

This is actually a good initiative.

Like other rodents, hamsters are highly motivated to run in wheels; it is not uncommon to record distances of 9 km (5.6 mi) being run in one night.

See this information from the Google.

[Mahanton]

I hope they don't stress out the hamster too much if ever there will be lots of players coming in. The owner should have different hamster that's fine with what they were doing and it's all fine against the animal welfare.

There will be no stressed hamsters as the owner stated that the game will depend on the hamster's mood. That's where the game will rely on.

In the case of massive bets, I think there will be several hamsters that can put on the action at the same time or by batches.

I've seen this race's video on youtube before and it looks fun and interesting. Some people are against it because they think that hamsters are being abused but they should know that hamsters need exercise. They get bored when they don't do active exercises and the worse thing is they just chew and destroy their cage so this game is beneficial for players and the hamsters being used to run the game.

Why there are people who are really that much sensitive when it comes to animal situation or condition if its used in gambling purposes without even thinking and realizing
that it isn't really actually harming that hamster into this kind of race game. Seeing those stats above about bets then it isn't really surprising that this isn't really getting
some attention.I remember that we do see in the past about rat race but it didn't really get that much of attention and eventually stopped.
Those involved 4-6 mices that do race up on a course and betting which one would go first but this one talks about marbles but of course it is accompanied with that
hamster spinning up the wheel.

[TimeTeller]

I hope they don't stress out the hamster too much if ever there will be lots of players coming in. The owner should have different hamster that's fine with what they were doing and it's all fine against the animal welfare.

There will be no stressed hamsters as the owner stated that the game will depend on the hamster's mood. That's where the game will rely on.

In the case of massive bets, I think there will be several hamsters that can put on the action at the same time or by batches.

I've seen this race's video on youtube before and it looks fun and interesting. Some people are against it because they think that hamsters are being abused but they should know that hamsters need exercise. They get bored when they don't do active exercises and the worse thing is they just chew and destroy their cage so this game is beneficial for players and the hamsters being used to run the game.

Why there are people who are really that much sensitive when it comes to animal situation or condition if its used in gambling purposes without even thinking and realizing
that it isn't really actually harming that hamster into this kind of race game. Seeing those stats above about bets then it isn't really surprising that this isn't really getting
some attention.I remember that we do see in the past about rat race but it didn't really get that much of attention and eventually stopped.
Those involved 4-6 mices that do race up on a course and betting which one would go first but this one talks about marbles but of course it is accompanied with that
hamster spinning up the wheel.

And the race based on the stats from the site, they are not doing the race everyday.
And also, hamsters are really known to do do these maze traps. You can even see a lot of these in YT.
But anyway, I believe this platform is not gaining much interest because they are only accepting eth right now.
Maybe if the mia team will add at least bitcoin, I believe there will be more players that will try to place their bet.

[ethereumhunter]

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Maybe that kind of games will attract more people to bet because that game is a new gambling game. People who hunger to search for innovations in gambling games will try to play that game, and maybe they will stay longer at that game, especially if their reason to play that gambling games is to make money. Maybe there will be many other new gambling games that will release, especially this game can be popular among the gamblers.

[Twinkledoe]

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Maybe that kind of games will attract more people to bet because that game is a new gambling game. People who hunger to search for innovations in gambling games will try to play that game, and maybe they will stay longer at that game, especially if their reason to play that gambling games is to make money. Maybe there will be many other new gambling games that will release, especially this game can be popular among the gamblers.

The bottleneck that I am seeing here is that, they are only accepting eth right now. So the owner, can't post their site in the gambling board. This thread is gaining interest more than the official thread from their staff - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206396

The topic itself was created in Dec 2019. But look at how many users posted their comment here vs. their thread? 

[Ucy]

I've seen a thread like this in the past I can't believe it's on the news now, although I have a little worry about the hamster but as long as the hamster is not forced to do such task and is enjoying only by spinning the wheel I can go with it. I hope they don't stress out the hamster too much if ever there will be lots of players coming in. The owner should have different hamster that's fine with what they were doing and it's all fine against the animal welfare.

They are currently round 28 on this game as seen from the website. Their thread created by the mia.bet staff is not gaining attraction but this one is.  



Also, from their past races, you can see that the race is not every day. So the hamster himself has enough time to rest.

https://mia.bet/past-races

The problem is trusting those who own or manage the hamsters to do the right and avoid over working the animals.
Things like that should be well regulated otherwise abuse is inevitable.

[Lanatsa]

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Maybe that kind of games will attract more people to bet because that game is a new gambling game. People who hunger to search for innovations in gambling games will try to play that game, and maybe they will stay longer at that game, especially if their reason to play that gambling games is to make money. Maybe there will be many other new gambling games that will release, especially this game can be popular among the gamblers.

The bottleneck that I am seeing here is that, they are only accepting eth right now. So the owner, can't post their site in the gambling board. This thread is gaining interest more than the official thread from their staff - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206396

The topic itself was created in Dec 2019. But look at how many users posted their comment here vs. their thread? 

You would really expect that there would be lots of comments or response on here yet this had become a discussions and the way OP did make out some questions

then you would really see different opinions and views rather than on responding or posting up into their main thread.You are right that they are only accepting ETH at the moment.

It would be good that they would really be putting up Bitcoin option too but since this race is been ran with erc20 platform then you would really expect on where it do sticks.

[chaser15]

It would be good that they would really be putting up Bitcoin option too but since this race is been ran with erc20 platform then you would really expect on where it do sticks.

Payouts are automatically executed on the contracts once the game finished so I think they will stick on using Ethereum Dapps. For the bitcoin option in the future, maybe they can copy the Directbet's payout system before wherein payouts are also automatic once settled. No need for account registration.

And for those people who are still worried about Mia's status:

Is Mia happy?

Yes. Mia gets love, food, water and loads of space to roam freely and dig around. She is living that hamster life! We love animals and treat every living creature respectfully.

[Mahanton]

It would be good that they would really be putting up Bitcoin option too but since this race is been ran with erc20 platform then you would really expect on where it do sticks.

Payouts are automatically executed on the contracts once the game finished so I think they will stick on using Ethereum Dapps. For the bitcoin option in the future, maybe they can copy the Directbet's payout system before wherein payouts are also automatic once settled. No need for account registration.

So that would be an another development? If they can spend up more budget on that one then why not? They do need to get people who do love to use Bitcoin as a mode of payment into their plays.
You are right that they can copy out Directbet or Onehash payout system too.Why lots of people are too concern with that hamster? Its clear that this one isn't being forced nor being stressed on
spinning that wheel.

[AmoreJaz]

It would be good that they would really be putting up Bitcoin option too but since this race is been ran with erc20 platform then you would really expect on where it do sticks.

Payouts are automatically executed on the contracts once the game finished so I think they will stick on using Ethereum Dapps. For the bitcoin option in the future, maybe they can copy the Directbet's payout system before wherein payouts are also automatic once settled. No need for account registration.

And for those people who are still worried about Mia's status:

Is Mia happy?

Yes. Mia gets love, food, water and loads of space to roam freely and dig around. She is living that hamster life! We love animals and treat every living creature respectfully.

i hope the mia staff here will take a look at this discussion thread and maybe they will get some ideas to improve their site, and maybe increase the number of bettors. already posted this link to their telegram channel for their reference.
it is better to have direct engagement with the Mia staff so we know what they think about those suggestions and pieces of advice.

[samputin]

Maybe someday that other people will create more games about animals like cock fighting , I hope no more animals will die because of the people who wants to enjoy or earn money by gambling. But the hamster racing is good if there is no harm happen to them and maybe someday people will try to bet that game that related to the money it is enjoyable to watch also.

Well, cock fighting is common already and really involves fighting between roosters (as the name suggests). But unlike it, I think and I hope that in hamster race, no harm will be done to the animals. I mean, it's just a race so they'll just have to hurry to be the first in the finish line.

[Lorence.xD]

Well, cock fighting is common already and really involves fighting between roosters (as the name suggests). But unlike it, I think and I hope that in hamster race, no harm will be done to the animals. I mean, it's just a race so they'll just have to hurry to be the first in the finish line.

Cock fights seems to be more enjoyable when one of the fighters die in my experience, it gets the crowd fist pumping in the air for the smell of crimson saline liquid, I think the culture of cock fighting will not change. Hamster race will grow in popularity and your hope will be crushed sadly because as it grows, it means that there will be scummy people that will be trying to breed this racing hamsters like how a racing horse is eugenically bred, now while we were at it, almost all kinds of games that involves animals are subjected to eugenics.

[MCobian]

I see this hamster races game getting a lot of positive feedback, because it offers something different. Moreover, the hamster involved is really protected
by its safety and health, so get sympathy from animal lovers. For gamblers who like gambling games based on luck, definitely love this hamster race.
Even though I haven't tried it, the teaser video is enough to make me curious and interested. And hamster races can provide different entertainment
for gamblers who are bored with gambling games that have been widely circulating nowadays.

[Ucy]

I've seen a topic about "Hamster powered racing" which is discussed here.
Example:

Topic: 🐹 Introducing mia.bet: Bet on hamster 🐹 powered marble races | beta

However, I haven't fully learned how to play this game.
Guide.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206396.0

Maybe this is an interesting game to learn and stake for the future, unique, if it promises.

What I find really interesting about the betting game are things put in place to improve game randomness, and for somewhat transparent event.
Well, I think games like that will need lots of the open-source/public auditing of the physical components to make sure they are actually fraud-proof and don't in anyway compromise on laid out standards that guarantees their provable-fairness and resistance to fraud.
I would even prefer multiple fraud-proof cameras from random and reputable people for publicly and physically capturing the whole game activities and uploading them on safe and decentralized platforms . I think great fraud-proof technology will need to be open-source, publicly auditable, very transparent, decentralized, etc

[ethereumhunter]

The bottleneck that I am seeing here is that, they are only accepting eth right now. So the owner, can't post their site in the gambling board. This thread is gaining interest more than the official thread from their staff - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206396

The topic itself was created in Dec 2019. But look at how many users posted their comment here vs. their thread? 

Maybe the developer still work hard for their project, so they do not back to their thread or they forgot that they already launch their project in this forum
If they are still working on their project, I think they will come back here and explain what they did so far to communicate with them again.

[Saint-loup]

Well, cock fighting is common already and really involves fighting between roosters (as the name suggests). But unlike it, I think and I hope that in hamster race, no harm will be done to the animals. I mean, it's just a race so they'll just have to hurry to be the first in the finish line.

Cock fights seems to be more enjoyable when one of the fighters die in my experience, it gets the crowd fist pumping in the air for the smell of crimson saline liquid, I think the culture of cock fighting will not change. Hamster race will grow in popularity and your hope will be crushed sadly because as it grows, it means that there will be scummy people that will be trying to breed this racing hamsters like how a racing horse is eugenically bred, now while we were at it, almost all kinds of games that involves animals are subjected to eugenics.

But some platforms could commit to remain ethical and friendly with their animals. Then it would be the bettors' responsibility to encourage this or not by gambling there or elsewhere.

[MiaAndTheMarbles]

Hi all,
Thanks for your interest in our game!
You can find our official announcement post in the altcoin subforum,
since we are using ETH and are not allowed to post in the main Gambling forum.
Make sure to subscribe there, because discussion threads like this one tend to be locked by mods after some time and we can't post to inform you about updates. You can also follow us on Twitter: @miandthemarbles

Unfortunately it is not that easy for us to add BTC as a payment option since we are using some of the more advanced features of the ethereum blockchain that allow us to do automatic payouts and guaranteed refunds. But we will investigate the Directbet's payout solution some have mentioned in here, thanks for that.
In case you know of other ways to integrate BTC into Ethereum please let us know.

At the moment there are no races taking place because of the high transaction fees on the ethereum network. They are causing the betting fees and operation costs to skyrocket which is why we decided to temporarily postpone the next race until further notice.
However, we are working on the integration of a layer 2 solution which will provide us with better scalability and dramatically lower the tx fees for betters.

We love to take the opportunity to address your questions and concerns raised in this thread:

Animal welfare
Mia (the hamster) is not forced to do anything, as some have already pointed out.
Also she runs just as much as she wants. Currently, every 2km she runs, a new marble race starts.
If she is not in the mood for running much for a longer period (days or weeks), we can just lower that threshold to have more races. So the game adapts to her, not the other way around.
Typically she is still running in the wheel during a marble race, but on some race videos you see her getting out of the wheel and watching the marbles or just run around.

Safety of bets
As there is no guarantee that a race will take place within a certain time (Mia might get ill or just not be in the mood to run, or something far worse like an earthquake might happen),
our smart contract has an integrated refund functionality which is enabled automatically 2 days after the round has started.
You can verify this for yourself and take a look at the contract’s source code on etherscan.

Track length
We started with a short track because we wanted to make it not too random so that players can make educated guesses and not everything is dependent on pure luck.
As it turned out, the outcomes on the current short track are already very random. Making the track longer with more obstacles makes it even more unpredictable.
It looks like finding the right balance between predictability and entertainment is quite tricky for marble races, so we might as well do longer and more entertaining race tracks in the future.
After all, it should make fun to play and watch, and a longer track is certainly more entertaining!

Marble weight
We actually never measured them. But the statistics of the ~170 races during the beta phase (which you can see on the bottom of the “past races” page) did not show an advantage of any certain marble.
We don’t think that weight is a big factor, the obstacles have a much higher impact on the outcome of the races.
On a completely unobstructed track, weight would become the dominant factor for sure.

House edge
We are taking 20% of the pot, however >50% of that goes into the next round as seed money. That being said, there is no guarantee for us to make a profit in every round, and under certain circumstances it can also result in a loss for us.

[CarnagexD]

I've seen the video from a random recommendation from YouTube. I mist say, the whole gist of it is actually fantastic in a sense that nobody else had actually thought about this before. Now my question is, how can we ensure the hamster's productivity? Like let's say a game is supposed to happen this day but the hamster is not cooperating, how can we avoid that in a manner that is both human and practical?

Hi all,
Thanks for your interest in our game!
You can find our official announcement post in the altcoin subforum,
since we are using ETH and are not allowed to post in the main Gambling forum.
Make sure to subscribe there, because discussion threads like this one tend to be locked by mods after some time and we can't post to inform you about updates. You can also follow us on Twitter: @miandthemarbles

Unfortunately it is not that easy for us to add BTC as a payment option since we are using some of the more advanced features of the ethereum blockchain that allow us to do automatic payouts and guaranteed refunds. But we will investigate the Directbet's payout solution some have mentioned in here, thanks for that.
In case you know of other ways to integrate BTC into Ethereum please let us know.

At the moment there are no races taking place because of the high transaction fees on the ethereum network. They are causing the betting fees and operation costs to skyrocket which is why we decided to temporarily postpone the next race until further notice.
However, we are working on the integration of a layer 2 solution which will provide us with better scalability and dramatically lower the tx fees for betters.

We love to take the opportunity to address your questions and concerns raised in this thread:

Animal welfare
Mia (the hamster) is not forced to do anything, as some have already pointed out.
Also she runs just as much as she wants. Currently, every 2km she runs, a new marble race starts.
If she is not in the mood for running much for a longer period (days or weeks), we can just lower that threshold to have more races. So the game adapts to her, not the other way around.
Typically she is still running in the wheel during a marble race, but on some race videos you see her getting out of the wheel and watching the marbles or just run around.

Safety of bets
As there is no guarantee that a race will take place within a certain time (Mia might get ill or just not be in the mood to run, or something far worse like an earthquake might happen),
our smart contract has an integrated refund functionality which is enabled automatically 2 days after the round has started.
You can verify this for yourself and take a look at the contract’s source code on etherscan.

Track length
We started with a short track because we wanted to make it not too random so that players can make educated guesses and not everything is dependent on pure luck.
As it turned out, the outcomes on the current short track are already very random. Making the track longer with more obstacles makes it even more unpredictable.
It looks like finding the right balance between predictability and entertainment is quite tricky for marble races, so we might as well do longer and more entertaining race tracks in the future.
After all, it should make fun to play and watch, and a longer track is certainly more entertaining!

Marble weight
We actually never measured them. But the statistics of the ~170 races during the beta phase (which you can see on the bottom of the “past races” page) did not show an advantage of any certain marble.
We don’t think that weight is a big factor, the obstacles have a much higher impact on the outcome of the races.
On a completely unobstructed track, weight would become the dominant factor for sure.

House edge
We are taking 20% of the pot, however >50% of that goes into the next round as seed money. That being said, there is no guarantee for us to make a profit in every round, and under certain circumstances it can also result in a loss for us.

Okay this answers my question regarding the welfare of the animal. Glad to hear that Mia is doing well and is taken care of to the best of your abilities. One last question, in the event that Mia passes away, what are your plans? What will be the future of the game?

[Quidat]

Marble weight
We actually never measured them. But the statistics of the ~170 races during the beta phase (which you can see on the bottom of the “past races” page) did not show an advantage of any certain marble.
We don’t think that weight is a big factor, the obstacles have a much higher impact on the outcome of the races.
On a completely unobstructed track, weight would become the dominant factor for sure.

House edge
We are taking 20% of the pot, however >50% of that goes into the next round as seed money. That being said, there is no guarantee for us to make a profit in every round, and under certain circumstances it can also result in a loss for us.

Just concern about this two things. Why wouldnt consider on not to make some weighing into  those marbles? Did you know that weight will be definitely on of the main factor on which coin would fall down first?
There might be some obstacles but doesnt mean that weight will not be a deciding factor.So you should consider on breaking even when it comes to weight because if you dont mind on doing so then
i dont really trust up on how those marbles will really be dropping off with some random weight.The heavier the faster it drops though and also with that 20% deduction into the pot
which is too big, also when a certain round ends and there we no winners then 50% of funds will go to the next round and the rest?

[dunfida]

Okay this answers my question regarding the welfare of the animal. Glad to hear that Mia is doing well and is taken care of to the best of your abilities. One last question, in the event that Mia passes away, what are your plans? What will be the future of the game?

Answering with just using up your common sense on what would they do if mia passes away? They would find just for a replacement and it isnt really that hard to do.
Typically, hamsters live for up to two years, although some may live for longer depending on how its being cared nor handled.I do see that lots are really that much
concern with that hamster rather than with the game itself. hehehe. Some users had pointed out about the wrong things about Marble weight and Fees, so i would
go in matter of the course which it should really be longer so that the race wont really be that boring on seeing results in a matter 3-5 seconds?

[chaser15]

Did you know that weight will be definitely on of the main factor on which coin would fall down first?

We are gambling here so it's understandable that weight shouldn't be a factor.

If users know the weight of each marble, then the analysis will come up spoiling the main point of the game wherein everything is random, unpredictable, and will only rely on Mia's activity.

There's no consistent marble that always wins and that's the challenge.

[MiaAndTheMarbles]

Why wouldnt consider on not to make some weighing into  those marbles?

I understand your concerns. Would it be sufficient for you if we would publish the weights of each of the marbles on the mia.bet webpage?

20% deduction into the pot which is too big, also when a certain round ends and there we no winners then 50% of funds will go to the next round and the rest?

I think there is a misunderstanding. We seed each round with a fixed amount of ether, currently 3.5 ETH (i.e. 0.5 ETH on each marble).
So far we reinvested much more than 50% of the house edge in each round as seed money. Looking back, it was even more than 100%.

A list of all previous payouts and seed transactions can be found on the block explorer and some of this information on our "past races" section: https://mia.bet/past-races
We're going to provide you with even more useful stats on our webpage in the future.

[Smartprofit]

Few months before I saw a post here when a guy apparently have his idea about using his hamster for marble races for gambling and guess what ??

https://cointelegraph.com/news/the-future-of-gambling-hamster-powered-marble-races-come-to-ethereum/amp

Apparently the article has been published and it's all going forth.

The races are called *Mia and the Marbles*

I also found their youtube video and it's indeed very funny 🤣https://youtu.be/ZH4jqS53TXE

Well honestly for me the probability of one marble winning is low so I won't really bet on it but I think we can just do it for fun though.

Did someone here engage in such races ?
How was it ?
Did you win / loose?

It's not only funny but I won't mind loosing for the hamster lol whosoever's idea it was congratulations!!!

https://mia.bet/play

Here is their site :3

In my opinion, the idea is very interesting.  Hamsters can also be tokenized by creating the NFT hamster market.  

I really like that the project is being created on the Ethereum blockchain.  It is the most popular blockchain with an advanced smart contract system.  At the same time, the Ethereum network has high fees.  This can prevent such a game from becoming really popular.  Be that as it may, I think it is promising to combine gambling and blockchain.  

In my opinion, the future belongs to this approach.  Hamsters are also a popular meme in the crypto industry.

[Fortify]

It's not only funny but I won't mind loosing for the hamster lol whosoever's idea it was congratulations!!!

Haha, it is a brilliantly original idea and looks a lot more "provably fair" than most online casino games. As you say, it feels much more interesting than betting on some random slot game with cookie cutter graphics and sound effects, the hamster seems to love running on that wheel! I wonder if they'll have a few of these set ups running for when the hamster wants some downtime The only slight flaw I see in the design is the marbles, they should be kept in view at all times (instead of being fed back underneath the track) and it would be nice if they can figure out a way to verify the weight of each one on screen - a heavier weighted marble could be abused as it would run down the course faster than any other.

[dunfida]

It's not only funny but I won't mind loosing for the hamster lol whosoever's idea it was congratulations!!!

Haha, it is a brilliantly original idea and looks a lot more "provably fair" than most online casino games. As you say, it feels much more interesting than betting on some random slot game with cookie cutter graphics and sound effects, the hamster seems to love running on that wheel! I wonder if they'll have a few of these set ups running for when the hamster wants some downtime The only slight flaw I see in the design is the marbles, they should be kept in view at all times (instead of being fed back underneath the track) and it would be nice if they can figure out a way to verify the weight of each one on screen - a heavier weighted marble could be abused as it would run down the course faster than any other.

Yeah, thats the only factor i can see for this game on having some issues about being fair completely because marbles can really neither be a heavy one or a light one which
as mentioned already with some users that it should really be verified or can be seen out real-time so that at least everybody would really be that confident
that this race is actually fair and square.

I tried to visit the site and showed. The next race is postponed
The continuously high Ethereum gas fees cause betting fees and operation costs to skyrocket.

which is understandable.

[Twinkledoe]

Yeah, thats the only factor i can see for this game on having some issues about being fair completely because marbles can really neither be a heavy one or a light one which
as mentioned already with some users that it should really be verified or can be seen out real-time so that at least everybody would really be that confident
that this race is actually fair and square.

I tried to visit the site and showed. The next race is postponed
The continuously high Ethereum gas fees cause betting fees and operation costs to skyrocket.

which is understandable.

They can opt for other networks like TRX or EOS, as the fees on these networks are relatively cheap than ETH. But maybe, they are also waiting for ETH developments. We don't know yet when will eth finally address the gas efficiency problem. While waiting for that, Mia team should think of adding other alts in their system other than ETH.

[plr]

They can opt for other networks like TRX or EOS, as the fees on these networks are relatively cheap than ETH. But maybe, they are also waiting for ETH developments. We don't know yet when will eth finally address the gas efficiency problem. While waiting for that, Mia team should think of adding other alts in their system other than ETH.

No use relying on one coin only, when there are a lot of options to choose from, they should continue their races and just add more coins and tokens, their supporters will not stop supporting their races just because they stop using Eth and added other coins, other gambling sites are already doing this.

[dunfida]

Yeah, thats the only factor i can see for this game on having some issues about being fair completely because marbles can really neither be a heavy one or a light one which
as mentioned already with some users that it should really be verified or can be seen out real-time so that at least everybody would really be that confident
that this race is actually fair and square.

I tried to visit the site and showed. The next race is postponed
The continuously high Ethereum gas fees cause betting fees and operation costs to skyrocket.

which is understandable.

They can opt for other networks like TRX or EOS, as the fees on these networks are relatively cheap than ETH. But maybe, they are also waiting for ETH developments. We don't know yet when will eth finally address the gas efficiency problem. While waiting for that, Mia team should think of adding other alts in their system other than ETH.

Try to check out on whats the build of it which is purely based on erc20.Dont know on how its been set-up but its understandable that they had suspend the operation for now because of such fee or gas problem.

Adding alts? Its a no brainer but that would really be giving out some complete overhaul which might really be taking some time for those adjustments.

[acener]

Well that is something new to me this is the first time I've seen it being used for gambling,
I mean I already watch some marble race or something like guessing which one would reach the end first,
But this is the first time that I've seen it being used for gambling and with a twist.
How about adding more obstacle powered by Mia and sad that it would be postponed due to high gas fee.
Well at least Mia could practice more hope to see more on it.
And how about a live weighing of the marbles before the race start so the bettors would have a peace of mind since it look's like some are bothered by it.

[CarnagexD]

The gambling concept that the devs used is novel indeed, but until they increase their payment channels, there will be a huge bottleneck from the people who do not have ETH on their wallet, or simply those who do not want to pay the horrendously high fees just to bet. I know it will be very hard to implement such a thing at a very small span of time, but if the project is this good, money shouldn't be a problem.

[MiaAndTheMarbles]

Hi everyone,
thank you all for your feedback and continued interest over time!

Today we have some good news to share: Mia is back!
We just relaunched on Polygon network, which means:

• Free transaction fees! Gas fees are sponsored by Mia now
• Bets are now in WETH (erc-20 wrapped version of eth)
• Cheap and fast fiat on-ramps with transak

Hope to see you again soon on mia.bet
Cheers!

[Hamphser]

Hi everyone,
thank you all for your feedback and continued interest over time!

Today we have some good news to share: Mia is back!
We just relaunched on Polygon network, which means:

• Free transaction fees! Gas fees are sponsored by Mia now
• Bets are now in WETH (erc-20 wrapped version of eth)
• Cheap and fast fiat on-ramps with transak

Hope to see you again soon on mia.bet
Cheers!

Welcome back MiaAndTheMarbles!

When the site had closed down, the community thought that there is no really demand for this but this proves out that there's still someone who do interested into these kind of races

since you had came back and now on using other platform and its a good news about that free transaction fees. Using up WETH on bets is very a good choice.

Do you have plans on accepting other coins in the future?

[Lanatsa]

Is the jackpot of;
Jackpot
≈ 6,073 USD = 2.802 ETH



Recent one? or this is the older pot before this game had stopped?

Edit: Yeah, I was able to notice it too but not particular been pointing it out but its good that its been clarified.

[MiaAndTheMarbles]

Is the jackpot of;
Jackpot
≈ 6,073 USD = 2.802 ETH

Recent one? or this is the older pot before this game had stopped?

Yes, this is the most recent jackpot (or was, at the time of your writing. current one is 2.8 )

You mean because the tooltip still shows "ETH"? That's actually a good catch, we will fix that to read "WETH". Thanks for pointing out!

[Obito]

The gambling concept that the devs used is novel indeed, but until they increase their payment channels, there will be a huge bottleneck from the people who do not have ETH on their wallet, or simply those who do not want to pay the horrendously high fees just to bet. I know it will be very hard to implement such a thing at a very small span of time, but if the project is this good, money shouldn't be a problem.

If they don't solve the problem, either other developers or people will step in to bridge the gab, I mean it's not like they have the full control on who's going to see the races and I mean people can pay to see it if it permits to be paid. Of course won't be a problem, look at how high the pot for this race is, I am sure they will be able to solve the problem.

[MiaAndTheMarbles]

Welcome back MiaAndTheMarbles!

When the site had closed down, the community thought that there is no really demand for this but this proves out that there's still someone who do interested into these kind of races

since you had came back and now on using other platform and its a good news about that free transaction fees. Using up WETH on bets is very a good choice.

Do you have plans on accepting other coins in the future?

Thanks for the warm welcome  

We wanted to have different coins from the beginning, but it turned out to be difficult
to replicate the security guarantees of our smart contract on ethereum to other blockchains.
That said, the ecosystem around ethereum has evolved a lot since our inception of the project and there are "bridges" from other blockchains directly to polygon now.
These bridges would be relatively easy for us to integrate, although they still would require the user to have a wallet on polygon and manually convert/swap the bridged coin to WETH in an extra step.
(the bridging and swapping would incur some transaction fees, but since on polygon everything is much cheaper, they would be very low compared to the current fees on ethereum/bitcoin)

What do you think, would such a bridged coin still qualify for "accepting other coins" and would players like to use that?
And what coins would you like to use?

[Zilon]

Mia and marble's it just looks a bit funny and I haven't seen a game as this. I think I would bet on it for fun because even after watching the YouTube video provided the Mia and marble's looked too tiny that I was unable to comprehend how the game is been played. But the graphics looks enticing so I might play for fun toll I understand what the game is all about

[rodskee]

It's not only funny but I won't mind loosing for the hamster lol whosoever's idea it was congratulations!!!

https://mia.bet/play

Here is their site :3

They are so cute lol, feels like i'm watching my hamster playing in their aquarium 


whoever invented this game? i salute you and at least the Hamster was not being abused because this is the way they love to do.

not like in other gambling that uses animal that they are cruel and heartless.

[Kittygalore]

They are so cute lol, feels like i'm watching my hamster playing in their aquarium 


whoever invented this game? i salute you and at least the Hamster was not being abused because this is the way they love to do.

not like in other gambling that uses animal that they are cruel and heartless.

I don't think that there's no abuse because I think that it can take on different forms and the hardest ones to identify are the subtle ones and pretentious ones. I think the abuse here is that they are using the hamster's activity as a way to make money via gambling but I think that it's negligible but still an abuse nonetheless, I don't do gambling that involves animals of any kind so I see this as an abuse of some sort.

[MiaAndTheMarbles]

Haha, it is a brilliantly original idea and looks a lot more "provably fair" than most online casino games. As you say, it feels much more interesting than betting on some random slot game with cookie cutter graphics and sound effects, the hamster seems to love running on that wheel! I wonder if they'll have a few of these set ups running for when the hamster wants some downtime

Glad you like it. We felt exactly the same about those games with hard to comprehend fairness and cheap graphics.

There's just one hamster, Mia. She rests whenever she wants to. Luckily hamsters are very active runners in nature, so that's not a big issue. On the contrary, this way the players can rest assured that the race start is controlled by the hamster, not by us.

The only slight flaw I see in the design is the marbles, they should be kept in view at all times (instead of being fed back underneath the track) and it would be nice if they can figure out a way to verify the weight of each one on screen - a heavier weighted marble could be abused as it would run down the course faster than any other.

We are working on solving these two issues with our redesigned race track.
Stay tuned  

[AmoreJaz]

Haha, it is a brilliantly original idea and looks a lot more "provably fair" than most online casino games. As you say, it feels much more interesting than betting on some random slot game with cookie cutter graphics and sound effects, the hamster seems to love running on that wheel! I wonder if they'll have a few of these set ups running for when the hamster wants some downtime

Glad you like it. We felt exactly the same about those games with hard to comprehend fairness and cheap graphics.

There's just one hamster, Mia. She rests whenever she wants to. Luckily hamsters are very active runners in nature, so that's not a big issue. On the contrary, this way the players can rest assured that the race start is controlled by the hamster, not by us.

The only slight flaw I see in the design is the marbles, they should be kept in view at all times (instead of being fed back underneath the track) and it would be nice if they can figure out a way to verify the weight of each one on screen - a heavier weighted marble could be abused as it would run down the course faster than any other.

We are working on solving these two issues with our redesigned race track.
Stay tuned  

it is good to hear that you are managing to stay alive. but are you gonna add other alts in your payment method other than eth? i believe, some bettors would like to see other alts like TRX as they have pretty cheap transaction fee. or are you keeping this under ETH?
checking your past races, i didn't know that you have quite a good run this month. maybe because your thread in the forum is not very active.

[Rengga Jati]

This might be a new gambling that is quite interesting and entertaining.
However, it might give some influence and notes.
1. Lucky seems to be the most decisive factor, naked if there is certain settings on the ball or tool. But maybe this is difficult because of course other participants don't want to be cheated.
2. Shouldn't it be that the hamsters are forced to continue to move and run according to the conditions expected at that time? Means the epreed and the speed of the hamster is very affected?
  I'm a prair that only sees this as one of the funny entertainment materials. But to put money there for betting, it looks like I haven't been interested yet.

[milewilda]

This might be a new gambling that is quite interesting and entertaining.
However, it might give some influence and notes.
1. Lucky seems to be the most decisive factor, naked if there is certain settings on the ball or tool. But maybe this is difficult because of course other participants don't want to be cheated.
2. Shouldn't it be that the hamsters are forced to continue to move and run according to the conditions expected at that time? Means the epreed and the speed of the hamster is very affected?
  I'm a prair that only sees this as one of the funny entertainment materials. But to put money there for betting, it looks like I haven't been interested yet.

Luck would always be a decisive factor and if you do really be in concern about marble weights then for sure that each one of them should really be equally in weight so that in the time that they would be released
on the track then they would just eventually fall down equally and due to gravity and those course blockage then it would really be affecting the outcome so everything would be in random.
About that hamster then for sure it would really be just acting out on rolling that wheel wheel and not really be forced to do so.

[MiaAndTheMarbles]

it is good to hear that you are managing to stay alive. but are you gonna add other alts in your payment method other than eth? i believe, some bettors would like to see other alts like TRX as they have pretty cheap transaction fee. or are you keeping this under ETH?
checking your past races, i didn't know that you have quite a good run this month. maybe because your thread in the forum is not very active.

Good to see you around here too.
We switched to polygon now (a side-chain of ethereum), which has quite low fees too, plus we actually sponsor the transaction fee of each bet now.
So the only fees that are incurred for the players are when buying assets on polygon or swapping to the WETH token we use.

We will look into adding bridges from other chains, so that players can easily swap their BTC or TRX to WETH on polygon.

Well, not that many players yet.
We just maintain this thread in the altcoin forum
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206396.msg57559222#msg57559222

[roosbit]

Marble racing would be interesting to try out ,and do such games have favorites too ? Anybody have a website I can place a few bets on and am not going with the favorite with this one. I know all have an equal chance ofwinning.

And you brought in hamsters to the races when I thought marbles were a marvel to watch, just how do you make such cute creatures to race?

[stomachgrowls]

Marble racing would be interesting to try out ,and do such games have favorites too ? Anybody have a website I can place a few bets on and am not going with the favorite with this one. I know all have an equal chance ofwinning.

And you brought in hamsters to the races when I thought marbles were a marvel to watch, just how do you make such cute creatures to race?

You can try it here: https://mia.bet/play

Its not litterally that those hamsters would be the one on race and if you do just tend to check out that it is just mentioned about hamster powered which is indirectly
telling that they are just part on releasing off those marbles.

[Rengga Jati]

Luck would always be a decisive factor and if you do really be in concern about marble weights then for sure that each one of them should really be equally in weight so that in the time that they would be released

Indeed.
So, it may be good enough for people who are commonly big lucks  
But, if it is about the person who has small luck or no luck, this may be only for fun or not betting here.
Yeah, the marble must be the same and balance both the weights and also the surface.

About that hamster then for sure it would really be just acting out on rolling that wheel and not really be forced to do so.

Oh, I see and just remember about how Hamsters like rolling

-snip-

Good thing to know this