What exchange to use a US Citizen Abroad?

[jerry0]

You can use Binance.us and live outside but there are 2 conditions.

1) You can't use it if you're not a citizen but even being a citizen you can't use the platform if you live in a restricted state.
2) A citizen abroad can not use Binance.us. if he doesn't reside in the US at least XX days per year

- all the days in the current year
- 1/3 of the days the first year before the current year
- 1/6 of the days the first year before the current year

Today is February 1st, so:

- 2021: you have  to reside at least 32 days in
- 2020: you had to reside at least 121 days
- 2019: you had to reside at least 61 days

I don't believe Binance.com asks for your location since it already knows it based on your IP country

Okay so apparently binance.us is restricted in the US state where im from.  I heard binance.us restricted certain states... didn't know mine was... so that means no way i can use it.


Also where did you get that information about citizen abroad cannot use binance.us if they don't reside in the US for at least so and so days a year?  That seems ridiculous and how would they even know?


So would you suggest just continue to use binance.com outside the US then... since well I never did verification with them and i could still log in with no issue?  I read on twitter, seems like lot of US users say they use it but use a vpn.  Isn't that illegal though?  Or they don't care?

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[KyoRider]

There are exchanges who already built its separate exchange for US and two of the example is Binance US and Coinbase US

[LeGaulois]

Also where did you get that information about citizen abroad cannot use binance.us if they don't reside in the US for at least so and so days a year?

Simply by looking at their terms of use https://www.binance.us/en/terms-of-use#eligibility

That seems ridiculous and how would they even know?

How would they know? I don't know but surely by asking for proof of residence and/or the tax return.

So would you suggest just continue to use binance.com outside the US then... since well I never did verification with them and i could still log in with no issue?

 

Hmm, in your shoes I suppose I would continue to use Binance.com but it might be a good idea to ask them directly. They will certainly be more likely to answer you instead of random people (me).

I read on twitter, seems like lot of US users say they use it but use a vpn.  Isn't that illegal though?  Or they don't care?

As for using a VPN, it has never been illegal but some services may not allow to use it. It's quite easy to automatically detect a VPN connection so if you really want to use it you have to consider that you could be blocked at any time if they have a problem with it.

Otherwise, everyone could cheat and there is no point in having rules.

[jerry0]

Also where did you get that information about citizen abroad cannot use binance.us if they don't reside in the US for at least so and so days a year?

Simply by looking at their terms of use https://www.binance.us/en/terms-of-use#eligibility

That seems ridiculous and how would they even know?

How would they know? I don't know but surely by asking for proof of residence and/or the tax return.

So would you suggest just continue to use binance.com outside the US then... since well I never did verification with them and i could still log in with no issue?

 

Hmm, in your shoes I suppose I would continue to use Binance.com but it might be a good idea to ask them directly. They will certainly be more likely to answer you instead of random people (me).

I read on twitter, seems like lot of US users say they use it but use a vpn.  Isn't that illegal though?  Or they don't care?

As for using a VPN, it has never been illegal but some services may not allow to use it. It's quite easy to automatically detect a VPN connection so if you really want to use it you have to consider that you could be blocked at any time if they have a problem with it.

Otherwise, everyone could cheat and there is no point in having rules.

Well binance you could buy basically any altcoin you want.  What other exchange is similar to altcoin where you could do that?  I could no longer use bittrex because im from a certain state in the US that they banned... and because i sent them verification.  Thus i think i could still use bittrex now if i didn't send them my verification.


Well it seem lot of ppl in the US use vpn though to use binance.  Saw some comments on twitter by users who say they do this.  I mean, there should still be nothing wrong with that right?


But for me, since im out of the US and never verified and log into binance with a non ip address... thus no use of vpn... should i try to trade on binance then?  I only used binance few times to buy some altcoins a while back... nothing more... and kept my altcoins there.

[LeGaulois]

https://coinmarketcap.com/rankings/exchanges/

Click on "#Markets" to filter according to the number of available pairs and choose one good enough for your needs.
Well if I compare Binance has 1042 trading pairs. HiBTC has over 920, which's close to Binance and perhaps enough for your use. Do you really need so many?

As for the VPN with Binance. Perhaps the person has never got a problem using a VPN it doesn't you will never face any issue. Their system could change and consider a person using a VPN connection trying to bypass their ToS.

Let's say there is a limit of 2 BTC per day when you want to withdraw. You could create 10 accounts and be able to get a 20 BTC limit and avoid verifying your account.
Binance has to protect its system and seeing you using a VPN could be considered as someone trying to cheat.

After thinking about it, if the 2 BTC per day limit is enough for you then you don't even need to use a VPN

[cds1234]

KuKoin like many said.
But, also personally, I really like Pionex.
Feel free to use my ref code, but check them out without it if you arent comfortable using it:
https://www.pionex.com/en-US/sign/ref/xjSFH4cu
They are built around the idea of using built-in bots.
I personally do not use them, and do all trading manually.
It is a little quirky when first used, but they are using Binance (the main Binance not us) for their volume, so it is dynamite volume/liquidity.
The engine is very fast, and there are tons of coins/combos.

The CEO will answer questions in Telegram if the support cant answer.

Deposit/wdraw has always been smooth.
Fees are 0.05% market/limit.

Personally, I recommend NOT using leveraged coins, but they have a lot of options for that as well.

Also, Bitrue.com has been good but slightly higher fees. Still really good volume.

So apparently, I found out that Binance.com no longer allows US customers anymore even abroad.  A while back i used binance and traded btc for altcoins there.  I heard binance no longer allowed US customers but because im abroad pretty much all the time, well I didn't think it was a big issue as I log into binance.com without any issue.  I also never was verified there.  I heard it first was with US IP addresses that they banned but apparently its for anyone that is a US citizen.  So because of that, I know i can't use binance.com anymore as an American abroad.



Now my question is... what exchanges can I use as an American that is abroad all the time?  I know i could use coinbase/bitstamp without an issue from what I read online.  I assume Kraken as well?  But those would be for the main coins like btc/eth etc.  But if i want to trade for altcoins, what are my options?  I previously used bittrex a while back while abroad... but then they no longer allowed any customers from a particular state in the US... so i had to withdraw.  I was also verified on bittrex and because of that, i could not use bittrex anymore.




I heard people who use binance.com in the US... then moved on to binance.us... which is basically almost the same thing?  Its only with other us traders right?  But is there a ton of volume there?  And do they have the exact coins that are traded in binance.com?  The thing though is i wouldn't be able to use binance.US while outside the US right?  I would sign up for an account while abroad... so would there be issue with this?

[lixer]

I heard people who use binance.com in the US... then moved on to binance.us... which is basically almost the same thing?  Its only with other us traders right?  But is there a ton of volume there?  And do they have the exact coins that are traded in binance.com?  The thing though is i wouldn't be able to use binance.US while outside the US right?  I would sign up for an account while abroad... so would there be issue with this?

How do you plan to go about Binance not accepting US customers, so you want to look for some ways like making use of a different number and signing up with the info related to the abroad countries you stay?

If you’re living in a particular country abroad and you have got your ID as a citizen there, it would be very easy to do all that. For now if it’s easy for you, you can connect with people that are trading cryptocurrency in that location and know what they are into and the exchanges they are, and maybe Decentralized exchanges as those ones wouldn’t require any KYC, which means you can access them no matter your nationality.

[jerry0]

Any US citizens who live abroad or abroad outside the US still using binance without any issue?  I like to know if someone suddenly got KYC by binance.


Again i never sent verification to them and also only logged into my binance.com account while abroad and thus never needed a vpn and never even logged into binance when i was back in the US.


Im wondering if US citizens can continue using binance abroad without any issue as long as they are abroad.  Or did anyone got suddenly KYC.  If so, what happens?  I assume worst case, they just refund you your balance and thats it?  Also what if you had no idea about the binance banning us citizens?  I literally didn't even know about this news until i read it on the forum.

[jerry0]

Any other exchanges you us citizens are using abroad besides the ones mentioned?

[Cryptomiles1]

why not trying using DEX in stead CEX. that is the only option in most of the cases due to limitations and restriction for most of the exchange platform. but nevertheless, you could try other CEX like Huobi, etc.

[jerry0]

Can you name me DEX and CEX exchanges?


What im surprised though is i have waves... and i had no idea you could trade with a ton of coins on their waves exchange etc.