25th Amendment after Trump supporters riot in the Capital

[PrimeNumber7]

There have been reports by CBS News that some of Trump's cabinet members are considering invoking the 25th amendment to remove Trump from office in light of the riots and violence today in the Capital.

While I do believe a Trump Presidency in the next term would be best for America, and that Trump had legitimate causes of action to overturn state-specific results, Trump did not capitalize most likely due to incompetence within his legal team. At this point, there is no path to victory on the part of Trump, and he should concede that he did not win the election.

If Trump is removed from office before the end of his term, his ability to run in 2024 is diminished, as his ability to play 'kingmaker' in the future.

What do you think? Should Trump be removed before the end of his term? Is Trump's telling his supporters to 'go home' while also saying the election was 'stolen' a strong enough message?

edit:
Edited OP to include the end of Trump's Presidency, and the transition of power to Biden

[franky1]

dumb don trump wont run in 2024.
if anything is learned by historic presidents. it wil be one of their family members that will give it a try
im guessing ivanka

his legal team did not miss a step. there was no step to miss.
even if he had the best legal team in the world there was no case.

his game is not to win. his game is to raid the RNC funds before he is escorted out of the white house
$150m-$200m up for grabs and only 2 months to spend it. thats all he was interested in.
hiring a legal team and doing stupid stuff is just his excuses to go on a spending spree
hiring out HIS OWN RESORT using public funds is just other ways to put money in his back pocket

he doesnt care about american citizens. he does not care about politics he doesnt care about laws.
he just wanted a big boy seat so he can fame it up for profit

time for him to go, before he does anything else stupid

[squatz1]

dumb don trump wont run in 2024.
if anything is learned by historic presidents. it wil be one of their family members that will give it a try
im guessing ivanka

his legal team did not miss a step. there was no step to miss.
even if he had the best legal team in the world there was no case.

his game is not to win. his game is to raid the RNC funds before he is escorted out of the white house
$150m-$200m up for grabs and only 2 months to spend it. thats all he was interested in.
hiring a legal team and doing stupid stuff is just his excuses to go on a spending spree
hiring out HIS OWN RESORT using public funds is just other ways to put money in his back pocket

he doesnt care about american citizens. he does not care about politics he doesnt care about laws.
he just wanted a big boy seat so he can fame it up for profit

time for him to go, before he does anything else stupid

Hm, got a source on this $150-200M that is up for grabs? I know he has the leadership PAC that is under him that he has access to, though he has access to that whether he is the President or not as the PAC is under him in some sort of way.

In regards to OP and the 25th - If Republicans can rally around removing Trump from office, I think he’s fully done as a potential kingmaker of the party and people have already begun supporting the removal. That’s me saying that the only way he’d be removed by his cabinet is that if the people started to turn on him because of what he did. Too many loyalists in the cabinet to just remove him without base support.

Still speculating though, who knows what the fuck is going to happen. Never did I think I was going to be writing about the Capitol building being stormed into but here we are.

[PrimeNumber7]

I think invoking the 25th Amendment would result in riots in the street throughout the country. Trump has committed to a peaceful transfer of power, so most likely this isn’t going to happen.

[zanezane]

The riot in the Capitol is the proof that the 1% that is owning the world is successful in dividing the people when in reality they all just agree to change power so those average heads will think that change is coming. If we start teaching the following generations critical thinking and questioning everything they read I think that a shift in balance will happen but right now with the current majority being willfully ignorant, amoral, heartless and dumb, we will not get nowhere. No matter the politician that you are on when you are any of what I mentioned before, the only change that will happen is a change in the person that is holding the title of President.

[mu_enrico]

Throwing Trump under the bus and persecuting him is a very risky move, so I don't think this will happen. Don't forget that he still has ~75 million votes, and his loyal right-wing fans could snap.

Anyway, I think previous leaders also have some kind of immunity since I can't remember when last time we sue previous leaders because of their crimes.

[TwitchySeal]

Throwing Trump under the bus and persecuting him is a very risky move, so I don't think this will happen. Don't forget that he still has ~75 million votes, and his loyal right-wing fans could snap.

Anyway, I think previous leaders also have some kind of immunity since I can't remember when last time we sue previous leaders because of their crimes.

No previous leader has come anywhere close to the line Trump has crossed with the possible exception being Spiro Agnew (Nixons VP).

You call it persecution, but it has nothing to do with his political beliefs and everything to do with deterring future Presidents from abusing their power. 

[tarsiec]

I think invoking the 25th Amendment would result in riots in the street throughout the country. Trump has committed to a peaceful transfer of power, so most likely this isn’t going to happen.

I think it's obvious that although he technically did ask the rioters to go home, he is encouraging them to continue with the protests. We'll have to see in the next few days, but in my eyes, a peaceful transfer of power isn't likely to happen. But regardless, the 25th Amendment is very likely to be invoked, if only for the current government to disassociate with Trump, and preserve their future careers. It's clearly a bad look to allow this maniac to rule the country as he has been.

[af_newbie]

There have been reports by CBS News that some of Trump's cabinet members are considering invoking the 25th amendment to remove Trump from office in light of the riots and violence today in the Capital.

While I do believe a Trump Presidency in the next term would be best for America, and that Trump had legitimate causes of action to overturn state-specific results, Trump did not capitalize most likely due to incompetence within his legal team. At this point, there is no path to victory on the part of Trump, and he should concede that he did not win the election.

If Trump is removed from office before the end of his term, his ability to run in 2024 is diminished, as his ability to play 'kingmaker' in the future.

What do you think? Should Trump be removed before the end of his term? Is Trump's telling his supporters to 'go home' while also saying the election was 'stolen' a strong enough message?

It is just a talk.  Republicans lost in more than one way.  They lost this election.  They lost the support of Trump supporters by the way they acted yesterday.  Notice that only junior members of the senate voted to support the investigation into allegations of voting irregularities.  The old Republican guard went all against Trump.  

If Trump decides to set up a new party, let's say "American People's Party" (members will be called Americans, LOL) and run in future elections, this will split the Republican vote and Democrats will be guaranteed the presidency for decades to come.

Republicans are done for a while unless they mend the rift with Trump which I don't think they will do.

Either way, we'll have a Democrat president at least for two terms.

[squatz1]

Throwing Trump under the bus and persecuting him is a very risky move, so I don't think this will happen. Don't forget that he still has ~75 million votes, and his loyal right-wing fans could snap.

Anyway, I think previous leaders also have some kind of immunity since I can't remember when last time we sue previous leaders because of their crimes.

Could snap? They have snapped. Not sure if we’re living in the same world right now but we did see people invade the US Capitol yesterday and force Senators/Representatives to be evacuated.

Prosecuting him — not sure if it happens and would set a bad precedent. I saw Comey saying the other day that the Biden DOJ should ensure to not focus on that to help bring the country together.

There have been reports by CBS News that some of Trump's cabinet members are considering invoking the 25th amendment to remove Trump from office in light of the riots and violence today in the Capital.

While I do believe a Trump Presidency in the next term would be best for America, and that Trump had legitimate causes of action to overturn state-specific results, Trump did not capitalize most likely due to incompetence within his legal team. At this point, there is no path to victory on the part of Trump, and he should concede that he did not win the election.

If Trump is removed from office before the end of his term, his ability to run in 2024 is diminished, as his ability to play 'kingmaker' in the future.

What do you think? Should Trump be removed before the end of his term? Is Trump's telling his supporters to 'go home' while also saying the election was 'stolen' a strong enough message?

It is just a talk.  Republicans lost in more than one way.  They lost this election.  They lost the support of Trump supporters by the way they acted yesterday.  Notice that only junior members of the senate voted to support the investigation into allegations of voting irregularities.  The old Republican guard went all against Trump. 

If Trump decides to set up a new party, let's say "American People's Party" (members will be called Americans, LOL) and run in future elections, this will split the Republican vote and Democrats will be guaranteed the presidency for decades to come.

Republicans are done for a while unless they mend the rift with Trump which I don't they will do.

Either way, we'll have a Democrat president at least for two terms.

I wouldn’t go that far in terms of Dems holding the presidency for two terms. 4 years is still a long time and a lot can happen in that time.

Pretty sure Trump knows that if he starts his own party he’ll lose whatever support he has left from traditional Republicans that were willing to ensure he doesn’t get prosecuted from a Biden DOJ.

They don’t have to mend the rift with Trump, they have to mend it with his supporters and convince them that they’re going to help them. The reason all of this happened to begin with is because many Republicans were tired of the party.

[TwitchySeal]

If Trump decides to set up a new party, let's say "American People's Party" (members will be called Americans, LOL)

There's no chance he would allow it to be named anything that didn't include "Trump".

I think your underestimating how divided the Democrats are though.  It's not all that different from the Republicans right now.  The moderate Dems and Republicans could end up being the third party, especially with Biden in charge.

[Beserabya]

Trump or Biden does'nt matter. While both say they will teach the world about democracy, he is actually just cheating himself

[mu_enrico]

Could snap? They have snapped. Not sure if we’re living in the same world right now but we did see people invade the US Capitol yesterday and force Senators/Representatives to be evacuated.

It was nothing, just minor damage.
People with guns can do much more than just breaching the US Capitol.

Trump or Biden does'nt matter.

Yep, both suck lol.

If Trump decides to set up a new party, let's say "American People's Party" (members will be called Americans, LOL) and run in future elections, this will split the Republican vote and Democrats will be guaranteed the presidency for decades to come.

What if the majority of ~75 million Trump voters don't really care about GOP?

[Gyfts]

Nah, they shouldn't invoke the 25th amendment.

Trump will leave and there will be a peaceful transition whether he accepts that he lost or not.

https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1347103015493361664

Statement by President Donald J. Trump on the Electoral Certification:

“Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th. I have always said we would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it’s only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again!”


He knew that he lost weeks ago and is dragging this out for the fuck of it. This was clear when he ordered the transition process to begin. To be honest, he sounded defeated back in November so I had my doubts on whether he believed his own bullshit.

[theymos]

After Giuliani's call to the senator and Trump's call to the Georgia Secretary of State, I'm thinking that Trump might seriously be having a mental breakdown. He's a self-centered narcissist; this alone isn't so bad, and many such people are able to do good things. However, when these people go truly nuts, you can get things like Jonestown. Trump is old, he just had COVID a couple months ago, he's had a traumatic 4 years, and failing so publicly and completely challenges his whole worldview, so a mental breakdown doesn't seem that unlikely. If so, he may literally be unable to comprehend that he's actually lost; he may really think that the election was stolen from him through some conspiracy. There's a risk then that if Israel and Saudi Arabia prod him in the right way, they could get him to think that Iran was behind it, and he could order a strike on them. Or even worse, he could get it into his head that China is behind it, and order a nuclear strike against a nuclear power. These are pretty unlikely, but I would feel better if Trump was 25thed. It's difficult to pull off, though, so I doubt it'll happen.

I think that "teflon Don" really did go too far this time. He was clearly stoking the flames before and during the riot, even if he came just shy of actively supporting them. All of the Republican old guard are abandoning him. They did the same thing after the Access Hollywood tape, but this looks more widespread and final. IMO he won't be able to win a 2024 primary, and his brand will become somewhat tainted in the Republican party.

[mindrust]

I think that "teflon Don" really did go too far this time. He was clearly stoking the flames before and during the riot, even if he came just shy of actively supporting them. All of the Republican old guard are abandoning him. They did the same thing after the Access Hollywood tape, but this looks more widespread and final. IMO he won't be able to win a 2024 primary, and his brand will become somewhat tainted in the Republican party.

Another possibility is... He will start his own party. We would get to see how strong the Reps are without Trump and how strong Trump is without the reps. *Assuming that Trump will be a free man by the next elections.

[suchmoon]

I think that "teflon Don" really did go too far this time. He was clearly stoking the flames before and during the riot, even if he came just shy of actively supporting them. All of the Republican old guard are abandoning him. They did the same thing after the Access Hollywood tape, but this looks more widespread and final. IMO he won't be able to win a 2024 primary, and his brand will become somewhat tainted in the Republican party.

They still need the votes of Trump's supporters.

[squatz1]

Nah, they shouldn't invoke the 25th amendment.

Trump will leave and there will be a peaceful transition whether he accepts that he lost or not.

https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1347103015493361664

Statement by President Donald J. Trump on the Electoral Certification:

“Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th. I have always said we would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it’s only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again!”


He knew that he lost weeks ago and is dragging this out for the fuck of it. This was clear when he ordered the transition process to begin. To be honest, he sounded defeated back in November so I had my doubts on whether he believed his own bullshit.

Watching the Trump administration is one of the weirdest things that I’ve seen. PR for them is horrible, and it never really works too properly.

Chad Wolfe, the acting DHS secretary (who was actually recently classified as unlawful in his position), put out a statement saying that  Trump should strongly condemn the Capitol violence. Shortly after this the Trump admin announced they withdrew his nomination to lead DHS.

Not really sure if it matters given the fact that he’ll be losing his post very shortly anyway, but still something that matters.

[franky1]

"teflon Don" really did go too far this time. He was clearly stoking the flames before and during the riot, even if he came just shy of actively supporting them. All of the Republican old guard are abandoning him. They did the same thing after the Access Hollywood tape, but this looks more widespread and final. IMO he won't be able to win a 2024 primary, and his brand will become somewhat tainted in the Republican party.

trump loves to delegate to avoid direct responsibility, he makes calls/orders out to other people to do things for him.
though delegating is a managerial skill it also as a manager comes with the responsibility of taking liability for those you order around. but he does not understand/recognise responsibility or liability

he got giuliani to make the 'fight' speach
he got his loyal trumpette supporters to walk to capital hill

but when it goes bad he announces that he had no association with those orders/people and cuts off any ties with them. blaming them for their actions and saying they have to pay the consequences
just like when he ordered to liberate states last summer.

i dont think trump is looking to re-apply in 2024. i think he is probably going to try to promote ivanka and kushner as an elect in 2024. hoping they will behind the scenes be loyal to daddy trump and follow his orders

[suchmoon]

https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/mpdc/publication/attachments/POIs%20of%20Interest_1.7.21.pdf

Shouldn't be too hard to figure it out, what with all those selfies plastered on various tubetwitgrams.