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December 21, 2022, 06:09:46 PM
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And that gives him an upper hand because of what he learned on his experience, being aggressive can only do good if you can give your opponent the element of surprise but how about if the opposite happens where that same opponent is already expecting for you to do it? So, yes, just like you said, it will be an expensive mistake. Tank already learned his lesson that is why now he is thinking few steps ahead before engaging.

A kind of adjustments which mostly work well when inside the ring, analysing your opponents in a few rounds and then try to re-create a good strategy to win the fight, Davis will do his best for sure, as he knows that Garcia will also do the same, a good fight to watch out if both will win their separate fight next year.

They have an early year upcoming fight before meeting each other inside the ring. It would be a good hypes but both need to win
to bring more fans' attentions and support.

Yes, it will be a battle of brains as well because they sure both know that they are both capable to knock out if they can give and land a clean shot. This fight is already getting me interested, I just hope that they will ink their contract soon so that this fight will be official and final, and fans will be delighted because they know that this time they aren't in for a ride Grin Also, I'm just confused with Tank's statement lately because he suddenly throws an issue with no proof that his future foe, Ryan Garcia is taking PEDs.

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December 22, 2022, 02:14:33 AM
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Yes, hard nut to crack, although against Isaac Cruz he was extend to full 12 rounds and there are moments that Cruz is very successful on hitting Davis.

For Ryan, the big test is when he was knock down by Campbell and then get up and still win the fight.

So both has been tested before in their career and still won, but this is very different fight for them. Specially for Ryan who have been calling Davis for a long time. Not sure what his 'fixation' with Davis that he thinks he can beat him easily.



Ryan needs to prove something because he keeps asking for this fight, now that he already have the chance of beating Davis he should put all his stake here, he needs to work harder in his training adding more spice to recreate his fighting style, if he will show the same form Davis may out-speed him and use that advantage to keep scorecard in his favor.

We don't know, though, if what will happen after, the trainings and sparring drills will help both fighters to find the right sets of combinations.

After Garcia fought Campbell, he hasn't fought heavy players anymore and let Golden Boy get him two cherry-picked fights. We cannot yet tell if Garcia has indeed improved after Campbell solved him and told the world what his weakness is. I agree, if Garcia hasn't improved after that and will show against Davis not fully prepared, the latter will just get him embarrassed in-front of the public and might give him another mental issues.

Well, what happened with Garcia is something that can be treated with a little more measure, I think that these things can improve, if we take into account that now Garcia has been improving greatly, I think that Davis should face him with the same intensity as always He has faced his opponents, a Garcia who could have had problems for whatever reason to stand in a ring and challenge someone who can do him a lot of damage is something very serious, and anyone would take care that his integrity is not damaged, That's the first thing we should think about, I think this fight will be very interesting, there are many things at stake.




In another order of ideas we have:

De La Hoya respects Gervonta Davis for taking Hector Garcia fight for tune-up for Ryan



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By Dan Ambrose: Oscar De La Hoya respects Gervonta ‘Tank’ Davis for choosing to fight Hector Luis Garcia as his tune-up opponent on January 7th to get him ready for his mega-bout against Golden Boy Promotions/DAZN/Instagram star Ryan Garcia on April 15th.

Oscar had very little praise for his fighter Ryan for choosing not to take a tune-up, and he feels this is a “mistake” on his part because it would have helped him.

De La Hoya admits that Hector Garcia (16-0, 10 KOs) isn’t a real tune-up because he’s a world champion and viewed as a threat to the unbeaten Tank Davis (27-0, 25 KOs), although Golden Boy views him as such.

For his part, the 23-year-old Ryan (23-0, 19 KOs) has changed his mind about facing Mercito Gesta in a warm-up fight on January 28th.

Source: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/12/de-la-hoya-respects-gervonta-davis-for-taking-hector-garcia-fight-for-tune-up-for-ryan/

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December 22, 2022, 09:32:12 AM
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Also, I'm just confused with Tank's statement lately because he suddenly throws an issue with no proof that his future foe, Ryan Garcia is taking PEDs.

What's his intention with his statement? I think it boost my confidence in Garcia that he could beat Tank if they will fight. This kind of statement are from fighters who are already making excuses because they believe that they have a chance to lose in the fight, so if in case Davis losses, we already know what's his excuse.



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December 22, 2022, 02:07:58 PM
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Also, I'm just confused with Tank's statement lately because he suddenly throws an issue with no proof that his future foe, Ryan Garcia is taking PEDs.

What's his intention with his statement? I think it boost my confidence in Garcia that he could beat Tank if they will fight. This kind of statement are from fighters who are already making excuses because they believe that they have a chance to lose in the fight, so if in case Davis losses, we already know what's his excuse.

We don't know what was behind those statements. Maybe yes, it's an excuse or maybe it's also possible that he just trying to bring more interest
to Garcia's fans to engage them and a possible tickets sale.

Whatever it is, just bring entertaining and enjoyable fight to watch will be the best offer that both Davis and Garcia can bring to all fans
who wanted to see them inside the ring.

Let's all wait and see if how they will perform and who will dominate the fight.
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December 22, 2022, 02:35:48 PM
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Also, I'm just confused with Tank's statement lately because he suddenly throws an issue with no proof that his future foe, Ryan Garcia is taking PEDs.

What's his intention with his statement? I think it boost my confidence in Garcia that he could beat Tank if they will fight. This kind of statement are from fighters who are already making excuses because they believe that they have a chance to lose in the fight, so if in case Davis losses, we already know what's his excuse.

Nothing, it's just hearsay, just like when Manny was accused of taking PEDS as well when he was destroying everyone in his path. There are no proof of it, whether VADA or USADA testing on Ryan. So probably this is just Davis, trying to make Ryan uncomfortable with this kind of attacks because he knows that Ryan has history of mental issues so he is attacking him personally. And maybe he thinks that Ryan will be affected in their fight, lost his motivation with his unbiased accusations.

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December 22, 2022, 02:38:53 PM
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Also, I'm just confused with Tank's statement lately because he suddenly throws an issue with no proof that his future foe, Ryan Garcia is taking PEDs.

What's his intention with his statement? I think it boost my confidence in Garcia that he could beat Tank if they will fight. This kind of statement are from fighters who are already making excuses because they believe that they have a chance to lose in the fight, so if in case Davis losses, we already know what's his excuse.

Nothing, it's just hearsay, just like when Manny was accused of taking PEDS as well when he was destroying everyone in his path. There are no proof of it, whether VADA or USADA testing on Ryan. So probably this is just Davis, trying to make Ryan uncomfortable with this kind of attacks because he knows that Ryan has history of mental issues so he is attacking him personally. And maybe he thinks that Ryan will be affected in their fight, lost his motivation with his unbiased accusations.
And on the contrary, it could backfire on Davis himself, because he has no proof except a picture of Ryan in which Garcia was too big. Definitely, it's the off season and boxers too gain some weight when they are not fighting.

What I mean is that if could backfire if Ryan will take this attack and used this as his motivation to beat Tank now.

Yes, it's a mental game and his team should know about this kind of insults will come.

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In another order of ideas we have:

De La Hoya respects Gervonta Davis for taking Hector Garcia fight for tune-up for Ryan



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By Dan Ambrose: Oscar De La Hoya respects Gervonta ‘Tank’ Davis for choosing to fight Hector Luis Garcia as his tune-up opponent on January 7th to get him ready for his mega-bout against Golden Boy Promotions/DAZN/Instagram star Ryan Garcia on April 15th.

Oscar had very little praise for his fighter Ryan for choosing not to take a tune-up, and he feels this is a “mistake” on his part because it would have helped him.

De La Hoya admits that Hector Garcia (16-0, 10 KOs) isn’t a real tune-up because he’s a world champion and viewed as a threat to the unbeaten Tank Davis (27-0, 25 KOs), although Golden Boy views him as such.

For his part, the 23-year-old Ryan (23-0, 19 KOs) has changed his mind about facing Mercito Gesta in a warm-up fight on January 28th.

Source: https://www.boxingnews24.com/2022/12/de-la-hoya-respects-gervonta-davis-for-taking-hector-garcia-fight-for-tune-up-for-ryan/


I see, thank you for this information mate.

I always thought that Ryan Garcia and his camp (including Golden Boy) made the choice and that they have some reasons why it's better for Ryan not to have that tune-up fight, but it seems that it wasn't the case here. Ryan Garcia made the choice by himself and without giving a second thought about it. I agree that it would be a great help for Ryan Garcia to face Gesta first before Tank to get himself accustomed and have some first-hand experience about Tank's movements because Gesta moves like that too.

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December 22, 2022, 07:44:16 PM
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Also, I'm just confused with Tank's statement lately because he suddenly throws an issue with no proof that his future foe, Ryan Garcia is taking PEDs.

What's his intention with his statement? I think it boost my confidence in Garcia that he could beat Tank if they will fight. This kind of statement are from fighters who are already making excuses because they believe that they have a chance to lose in the fight, so if in case Davis losses, we already know what's his excuse.

Nothing, it's just hearsay, just like when Manny was accused of taking PEDS as well when he was destroying everyone in his path. There are no proof of it, whether VADA or USADA testing on Ryan. So probably this is just Davis, trying to make Ryan uncomfortable with this kind of attacks because he knows that Ryan has history of mental issues so he is attacking him personally. And maybe he thinks that Ryan will be affected in their fight, lost his motivation with his unbiased accusations.

He's trying to bring it inside Garcia and makes him feel uncomfortable, but I think it will motivate him more, if Garcia will manage to take this one as pro as it will be a good sign that he will aim for more, Davis is a good step to make his name to hype up and bring more title matches and money fights.

It's a good challenge for him after all those critical years of his career. He needs to convert this kind of issue into a good motivation to train well and be ready in their upcoming fight.

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December 22, 2022, 10:09:12 PM
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I always thought that Ryan Garcia and his camp (including Golden Boy) made the choice and that they have some reasons why it's better for Ryan not to have that tune-up fight, but it seems that it wasn't the case here. Ryan Garcia made the choice by himself and without giving a second thought about it. I agree that it would be a great help for Ryan Garcia to face Gesta first before Tank to get himself accustomed and have some first-hand experience about Tank's movements because Gesta moves like that too.

There were tune fights that ended in upsets, and some big names and legendary boxers have suffered from upsets, like Tommy Morrison, Lennox Lewis, and Mike Tyson, what appear to be easy fights and tune fights for multi-million deals turned into upsets
I will not rule out an upset here, Hector Garcia is a champion, and got a good record he should be motivated to give his all because it will benefit him more and will catapult his name to the top.
But Tank is a risk taker and always ready to take on just anybody something that is missing on Ryan Garcia, they have contrasting characters and personalities.

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Also, I'm just confused with Tank's statement lately because he suddenly throws an issue with no proof that his future foe, Ryan Garcia is taking PEDs.

What's his intention with his statement? I think it boost my confidence in Garcia that he could beat Tank if they will fight. This kind of statement are from fighters who are already making excuses because they believe that they have a chance to lose in the fight, so if in case Davis losses, we already know what's his excuse.

I have read this comment of Davis, I think Davis is somehow surprised how Garcia become well built in a short span of time.  So he thinks that Ryan is  taking PED.   The thought of Ryan getting bulky threatens Davis so the latter is worried that there is a huge possibility that he may not be able to withstand Garcia punches and may KO him during the fight.  So he is making an assumption that Garcia is taking PED, also he is calling that out so that the sanctioning body will conduct a test if Ryan is taking PEDs.
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We have been speculating that Davis is no longer with Floyd Mayweather, but this is the official confirmation:

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“First and foremost, love to Mayweather Promotions and all that they have done for me, but I am definitely out of my contract, for sure,” Davis said in a Twitter Spaces conversation hosted by @LazyLeftyOG. 

https://www.boxingscene.com/gervonta-davis-confirms-hes-not-contractually-tied-mayweather-all-love-no-bad-blood--170957

So that's it, at least we don't need to speculate any more and probably this is the main reason why the fight is going to happen. No stumbling block whatsoever.

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December 23, 2022, 08:13:02 AM
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We have been speculating that Davis is no longer with Floyd Mayweather, but this is the official confirmation:

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“First and foremost, love to Mayweather Promotions and all that they have done for me, but I am definitely out of my contract, for sure,” Davis said in a Twitter Spaces conversation hosted by @LazyLeftyOG. 

https://www.boxingscene.com/gervonta-davis-confirms-hes-not-contractually-tied-mayweather-all-love-no-bad-blood--170957

So that's it, at least we don't need to speculate any more and probably this is the main reason why the fight is going to happen. No stumbling block whatsoever.

The confirmation gives him all the right to fight to whoever he wants and he will take all the opportunities to make things happen especially with those who are challenging him. On hos upcoming fight, the chance of upset is possible but knowing Davis he will take that risk to hype his career and bring the entertainment to his fans and followers.

We just need to wait for him and Hector Garcia on these upcoming tune up before he will face the other Garcia.

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December 23, 2022, 09:28:28 AM
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Also, I'm just confused with Tank's statement lately because he suddenly throws an issue with no proof that his future foe, Ryan Garcia is taking PEDs.

What's his intention with his statement? I think it boost my confidence in Garcia that he could beat Tank if they will fight. This kind of statement are from fighters who are already making excuses because they believe that they have a chance to lose in the fight, so if in case Davis losses, we already know what's his excuse.

Well, guess what? This line and the situation is very familiar lol. Yeah! That was when Mayweather were afraid and worried regarding his perfect record after seeing Pacquiao dominating great fighters.
Throwing excuses during pre fight is worse than making excuses after lossing the fight.
That's the downside of having a perfect record, fighter tends to avoid fighting another great fighter just to retain that perfect record as much as possible until he retires.
Look at Spence and Crawford, the match seems vaguely happens, because non of them wants an L on their records.

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December 23, 2022, 01:39:41 PM
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Also, I'm just confused with Tank's statement lately because he suddenly throws an issue with no proof that his future foe, Ryan Garcia is taking PEDs.

What's his intention with his statement? I think it boost my confidence in Garcia that he could beat Tank if they will fight. This kind of statement are from fighters who are already making excuses because they believe that they have a chance to lose in the fight, so if in case Davis losses, we already know what's his excuse.

Well, guess what? This line and the situation is very familiar lol. Yeah! That was when Mayweather were afraid and worried regarding his perfect record after seeing Pacquiao dominating great fighters.
Throwing excuses during pre fight is worse than making excuses after lossing the fight.
That's the downside of having a perfect record, fighter tends to avoid fighting another great fighter just to retain that perfect record as much as possible until he retires.
Look at Spence and Crawford, the match seems vaguely happens, because non of them wants an L on their records.

They change the real definition of a great boxer, they think that once they retire with an undefeated record, that will make them a great boxer. Unfortunately, that is wrong, not all the time as even Mayweather who retired as undefeated, but still, many fans would choose Pacman over him as the greatest boxer of their generation.

Thurman was lucky to have fought Pacman, although he lose but he will always be remembered as a strong warrior who is not afraid of an L in his record.

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December 23, 2022, 06:29:30 PM
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I always thought that Ryan Garcia and his camp (including Golden Boy) made the choice and that they have some reasons why it's better for Ryan not to have that tune-up fight, but it seems that it wasn't the case here. Ryan Garcia made the choice by himself and without giving a second thought about it. I agree that it would be a great help for Ryan Garcia to face Gesta first before Tank to get himself accustomed and have some first-hand experience about Tank's movements because Gesta moves like that too.

There were tune fights that ended in upsets, and some big names and legendary boxers have suffered from upsets, like Tommy Morrison, Lennox Lewis, and Mike Tyson, what appear to be easy fights and tune fights for multi-million deals turned into upsets
I will not rule out an upset here, Hector Garcia is a champion, and got a good record he should be motivated to give his all because it will benefit him more and will catapult his name to the top.
But Tank is a risk taker and always ready to take on just anybody something that is missing on Ryan Garcia, they have contrasting characters and personalities.

There are no issues in Tank's side because I know that he can overcome it successfully, it will be a good tune-up fight for him for sure and the experience he will gain from fighting against a champion will help Tank's case to silence Ryan Garcia. But how about Ryan Garcia? His tune-up fight would be a great help for him as well, but he chose not to. Upsets will be always around lurking in the shadows, it's in the boxer if how will he handle the risks.

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December 23, 2022, 06:30:55 PM
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Also, I'm just confused with Tank's statement lately because he suddenly throws an issue with no proof that his future foe, Ryan Garcia is taking PEDs.

What's his intention with his statement? I think it boost my confidence in Garcia that he could beat Tank if they will fight. This kind of statement are from fighters who are already making excuses because they believe that they have a chance to lose in the fight, so if in case Davis losses, we already know what's his excuse.

Well, guess what? This line and the situation is very familiar lol. Yeah! That was when Mayweather were afraid and worried regarding his perfect record after seeing Pacquiao dominating great fighters.
Throwing excuses during pre fight is worse than making excuses after lossing the fight.
That's the downside of having a perfect record, fighter tends to avoid fighting another great fighter just to retain that perfect record as much as possible until he retires.
Look at Spence and Crawford, the match seems vaguely happens, because non of them wants an L on their records.

They change the real definition of a great boxer, they think that once they retire with an undefeated record, that will make them a great boxer. Unfortunately, that is wrong, not all the time as even Mayweather who retired as undefeated, but still, many fans would choose Pacman over him as the greatest boxer of their generation.

Thurman was lucky to have fought Pacman, although he lose but he will always be remembered as a strong warrior who is not afraid of an L in his record.

Being undefeated doesn't make them the all time favorite boxers because viewers are observant and they know who the real good fighters are. Even great fighters experience losses and if a boxer really wants to prove his strength, he shouldn't be afraid to face anyone who wants to fight him not just because he wants to keep a perfect record. They shouldn't be making excuses.
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We have been speculating that Davis is no longer with Floyd Mayweather, but this is the official confirmation:

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“First and foremost, love to Mayweather Promotions and all that they have done for me, but I am definitely out of my contract, for sure,” Davis said in a Twitter Spaces conversation hosted by @LazyLeftyOG. 

https://www.boxingscene.com/gervonta-davis-confirms-hes-not-contractually-tied-mayweather-all-love-no-bad-blood--170957

So that's it, at least we don't need to speculate any more and probably this is the main reason why the fight is going to happen. No stumbling block whatsoever.

The confirmation gives him all the right to fight to whoever he wants and he will take all the opportunities to make things happen especially with those who are challenging him. On hos upcoming fight, the chance of upset is possible but knowing Davis he will take that risk to hype his career and bring the entertainment to his fans and followers.

We just need to wait for him and Hector Garcia on these upcoming tune up before he will face the other Garcia.

Yes, and I think there is no bad blood between him, Floyd and his team really did a good job for Tank, although one thing though is that he didn't become a regular champion but probably just fighting for the money itself as this is the blue print for Floyd's career, known to be Money Mayweather.

Hopefully with this decision, Tanks will go after the champion, first a huge fight with Ryan and then Haney or Loma or Shakur Stevenson.

Lots of good fight for him in the 135 lbs and hopefully get at least one good and regular belt.
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December 25, 2022, 07:24:40 PM
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Also, I'm just confused with Tank's statement lately because he suddenly throws an issue with no proof that his future foe, Ryan Garcia is taking PEDs.

What's his intention with his statement? I think it boost my confidence in Garcia that he could beat Tank if they will fight. This kind of statement are from fighters who are already making excuses because they believe that they have a chance to lose in the fight, so if in case Davis losses, we already know what's his excuse.

Well, guess what? This line and the situation is very familiar lol. Yeah! That was when Mayweather were afraid and worried regarding his perfect record after seeing Pacquiao dominating great fighters.
Throwing excuses during pre fight is worse than making excuses after lossing the fight.
That's the downside of having a perfect record, fighter tends to avoid fighting another great fighter just to retain that perfect record as much as possible until he retires.
Look at Spence and Crawford, the match seems vaguely happens, because non of them wants an L on their records.

They change the real definition of a great boxer, they think that once they retire with an undefeated record, that will make them a great boxer. Unfortunately, that is wrong, not all the time as even Mayweather who retired as undefeated, but still, many fans would choose Pacman over him as the greatest boxer of their generation.

Thurman was lucky to have fought Pacman, although he lose but he will always be remembered as a strong warrior who is not afraid of an L in his record.

Being undefeated doesn't make them the all time favorite boxers because viewers are observant and they know who the real good fighters are. Even great fighters experience losses and if a boxer really wants to prove his strength, he shouldn't be afraid to face anyone who wants to fight him not just because he wants to keep a perfect record. They shouldn't be making excuses.

We just cannot blame them if they chose that path where risks are minimized and they can retire without any single loss in their whole career, although, they cannot also blame the people if they won't get any praises from what they expected because people really know what's the score. And in every bout that you avoid, people will also lose that respect because they will no longer believe that you are strong and haven't feared anybody. Just like what's happening with Errol Spence Jr. now.
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December 26, 2022, 11:47:34 AM
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We just cannot blame them if they chose that path where risks are minimized and they can retire without any single loss in their whole career, although, they cannot also blame the people if they won't get any praises from what they expected because people really know what's the score. And in every bout that you avoid, people will also lose that respect because they will no longer believe that you are strong and haven't feared anybody. Just like what's happening with Errol Spence Jr. now.

If that's the decision they choose then so be it, I agree with your argument both ends have their respected rights in order to choose
what they've believed.

If fighter decided not to pick a risky matchup, then it is their right not to do it, while earning respect and praises from the fans might not be there
but the money and the belts are enough as an achievement.

It's their journey whatever path they choose to travel then we can't force them to change directions.
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December 26, 2022, 01:58:18 PM
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We are looking at a fight where both fighters have been undefeated and both hold several knockout wins, so everything can happen. This will be a tough fight for both as each fighter will try to keep their status and go forward undefeated. I'm holding my grudge against this one and probably will not bet on this fight.
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