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April 12, 2021, 01:46:47 PM
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Merited by Pmalek (1)
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Did you ever find yourself thinking: that user just sent me x merits, I will go through his/her post history and find something to merit? That thought has often popped into my head, and I have indeed done it a few times myself.

When you merit someone who just merited you, do you feel good doing it?
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I do not feel either good or bad about how I give merit. The only criteria is that the post must be of quality, helpful, well-thought, etc. The thing is that people who give merit are usually those that also do good posting, and that is possibly why they have merit to give away. I also run through some postings story often, as some members tend to give consistent quality and great information.

I certainly do not feel obliged to it.

I do understand that it may look like exchanging merit, but it is not. Nobody ever asked me to merit back nor I sell or otherwise trade with merit. If anyone considers that I overlooked their posting they can drop me a line and I will happily review their posts.

Also, I give plenty of merit to people who do not merit me or even disagree with my views, even across full threads and even the threads that I start which may look like incentivising, but again, it is not, it is simply because I do bother to read the answers and it is inevitable that I will find posts that are good enough for at least one merit and sometimes many of them.

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I agree that 50 merits for a single post is too much.  If there were a lifetime cap though, it wouldn't matter so much and would eliminate a serious problem.

Only 2 merits on a post seems a bit low to me.  Some posts, like my escrow, nastyfans, minted seats, and green energy mining threads have led to years (soon to be decades) of work and tens of millions of dollars exchanged (billions of dollars in BTC at current USD/BTC rates).  Limiting those posts to only 2 merits seems a bit strange.  A lifetime merit limit addresses the issue of merit cycling forever, but a per post merit limit does what exactly?

I am strongly against any limit per user life, etc... There are two particular users that I am aware I am meriting a lot, but they have earned every point and I am willing to defend any merit I have ever given. Except one time in which I accidentally merited with the trailing default 0 by mistake.

I am of course happy to consider how to reduce merit abuse, other than the existing 50 maximum per month to one user, which by the way i reached once.

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A lifetime merit limit addresses the issue of merit cycling forever, but a per post merit limit does what exactly?

Unless one of the cycling members is a merit source, the merit decays (you get 2, you give 1). If they just cycle, it won´t go far.

The problem is that doing a proper merit control job is a huge task. You would actually need to read the posts and find clear examples in which a shitty post is merited clearly too much.


My preference would be that a user can only merit a post once with not more than just two merits (which would enable the recipient to on send one merit to the next user).

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I have found numerous posts that deserve much more than 2 merits. If limited, it would not make sense to make great posts that do require knowledge and time and thus are worth more than 2.


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As a proud (and first) member of the Foxpup Merit Cycling Club, and a Merit source with a load of sMerit to get rid of, I must say I'm sometimes "guilty" of checking someone's post history to Merit post. For instance when they only need 30 to ranking up, or just because the user got on my radar.
I don't think that's a bad thing, and since I'm still a Merit source after sending 19265 sMerit, Admin seems to agree.

I get that many users "return the favour" for Meriting them, and I'm pretty sure people have Merited me just because I merited them. But that's also quite natural to do. As long as it's not excessive, I don't really mind.

That is exactly right, people who post quality tend to do it often and consistently so is not only that make meriting easier, it is also that they are worth being read. And +1 on your view on using common sense and do not abuse same-member merit and back-meriting.



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April 12, 2021, 02:37:33 PM
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For me, it better to merit posts as you see them and not necessarily try to go through the entire post history to find a post to give merit.

Have you seen any good (worthy) posts lately?  Cheesy

Interestingly, the last merit you shared was over a year ago. I rest my case.

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April 14, 2021, 05:25:26 PM
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Well now i think merit is for higher rank member. I noticed in my 7 or 8 month journey in this forum which is like a exchange process. But in this process only higher ranked member got benifited. I saw in lots of topic that where higher ranked member comment just 1 or 2 line. But he got a 2 digit number merit. And in those post i saw a newbie member comment on it and his comment definitely deserve merit but he didn't get. I noticed this things on lots of post. Higher ranked people exchange merit between them. But what we can do just comment or nothing. I always takes merit as award what i got for Doing something not as a ranked gaining point. I saw someones topic who created that topic which will gives newbie or jr member merit to do some task like encrypted message or something. I have done this after a 1 week hard work and then i post that but i didn't get any merit maybe all because of i am a bounty hunter. Look sir i am an undergraduate student. I want to bear my study expense. Thats why i work on crypto. And bounty, airdrop is a way by which i can earn free money. And without bitcointalk i can't join bounty. So what can i do. But its a guranted that anyone can visit my profile and you got the proof that am i doing anytype of spamming post here. No you didn't get. Because i work every where with my loyality and its a challenge for me also. Now i don't want to tell anything more. If anyone got hurted via my this post then i am sorry. Because its my place where i work. And i also want to admit that no doubt i got huge knowledge from forum what i didn't know before joining this forum. Thats why i loved this forum.
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First, you shouldn't think that the merit are only for high ranking because this merit system is not moderated so that it is still possible for users to miss quality post of merit. I really have to advise you to understand how this merit system works before you decide to say a merit will only benefit high ranking users.

In my opinion, merit will not make it difficult for low-ranking users to get them if they have good post quality. You may have to upgrade a post that seems more useful than complaining about how hard it is to get merit. General post often won't invite other users to send you a merit, only quality post can help you earn them. The solution is to contribute to forum and other users regardless of your job as a bounty hunter. One more thing, there are time when a long wall post isn't considered a quality post if it doesn't contain useful information. You have to do some introspection before you blame this system.

This thread that @LoyceV created might be proof that achievement isn't specifically for high ranking users. The future of Bitcointalk: Low Ranking Top Merit earners in the past 30 days. There are quite a number of merit that every user send each month on quality post, you just need to maximize your chance of getting them by creating quality post. If you have quality post but not getting merit, try using this thread as a workaround. [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source.

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April 14, 2021, 08:12:11 PM
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I noticed in my 7 or 8 month journey in this forum which is like a exchange process. But in this process only higher ranked member got benifited. I saw in lots of topic that where higher ranked member comment just 1 or 2 line. But he got a 2 digit number merit. And in those post i saw a newbie member comment on it and his comment definitely deserve merit but he didn't get.

That is your subjective opinion. If you believe such a post by a newbie or any other member deserves to be awarded, feel free to throw some merits their way. No one said that a merit-worthy post needs to be lengthy and consist of multiple paragraphs. One sentence can offer a complete answer to a problem or show that the user is knowledgeable which makes his post merit-worthy in the eyes of many.

Higher ranked people exchange merit between them.
You could consider it an organized crime syndicate exchanging merits or have you considered that they receive substantial amounts of merits because of the quality and effort they show in their posts?
 
I saw someones topic who created that topic which will gives newbie or jr member merit to do some task like encrypted message or something. I have done this after a 1 week hard work and then i post that but i didn't get any merit maybe all because of i am a bounty hunter.
You are talking about OgNasty's thread where he asks users to encrypt a message. It could be because you are a bounty hunter, only he knows. He posted a disclaimer where it says if you spam a lot with bounty applications he will turn you down. I saw you posted it twice and got no reply. 

And bounty, airdrop is a way by which i can earn free money. And without bitcointalk i can't join bounty. So what can i do.
You can be both a bounty hunter and a normal user of this bitcoin forum.

I have always classified bounty hunters in two different groups:
  • Social media link spammers
  • Those who actually do some work (graphic designers, video creators, translators, writers).

I am not a fan of the first group but I have no problem with the second group of hunters.

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It's so hard to get merits, I'm always on the collectibles section buying items so I feel like I never have the chance to be merited. One day I will have activity of a legendary member and still be a junior member 😅

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It's so hard to get merits, I'm always on the collectibles section buying items
It's really not hard to get merits, the fact that majority of your posts are in collectibles reduces your chances as it's not a board which showcases a users knowledge on Bitcoin related topics or their willingness to learn, so merit sources and other users with merits to drop do not visit there.

There's no harm on being on the forum for a sole purpose without any interest in joining discussions, but if you wish to get merits and rank up, then you have to participate in discussions.

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I really think it's weird that there are merit sources on this forum who have literally exchanged hundreds of merits back and forth, but people are worried about the newbies who exchange one or two with each other that they originally had to earn at some point to be able to give...  Just figured I'd point that out.  If you really want to stop merit abuse at a level of more than 1 or 2 merits here and there, then a merit cap of 50 merits that one user can send to another over the life of their accounts would make a whole lot more sense, particularly for the merit sources (Disclaimer: I am a merit source).  

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April 15, 2021, 11:12:40 PM
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It's so hard to get merits, I'm always on the collectibles section buying items so I feel like I never have the chance to be merited. One day I will have activity of a legendary member and still be a junior member 😅

Any advice?
The collectibles section is for auction between the seller and item collectors and most of the merit source don't usually visit the section, for you the get merit you need to make a good contribution on the forum in the sections where the merit source and also create some informative thread which will enlight the newbies in the beginners and help section.

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Merits are handed out for posts other users find have brought some quality and effort to a discussion. Buying and selling stuff, putting up ads, and asking questions about prices, shipments, etc, aren't the type of posts that others will find useful. If you have rare items, offer good prices, and if you know how to create an interesting auction, some merits will be sent your way. But to get to a position of ranking up, you have to start taking part in more serious types of discussions.   

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April 16, 2021, 11:10:03 AM
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It's so hard to get merits, I'm always on the collectibles section buying items so I feel like I never have the chance to be merited. One day I will have activity of a legendary member and still be a junior member 😅
The Merit system was created to stop spammers, but you're not one of them. Judging by your Trust ratings you're a real Bitcoin user who uses the Collectibles board for actual trading.
The problem for earning Merit is that you post like this:
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On the Collectibles boards this is totally fine, but the posts aren't substantial enough to deserve Merit either. So basically, Merit just sucks for you Sad

Therefore, I've sent you some for this post.

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April 16, 2021, 11:17:46 AM
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I personally don't see anything really bad in meriting someone who merited you. A user earned his merit and is free to use it in any way he wants. This would not cause anything bad. The 2 sMerit=1Merit system is designed this way taking into account this case. You cannot abuse the system = you get merited in return for yours, but now you have to work your ass to earn the second sMerit to be able to merit back.

P.S. I never did merit someone just because he merited me and totally against this action.

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April 16, 2021, 01:28:02 PM
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P.S. I never did merit someone just because he merited me and totally against this action.
Why? It's not a merit exchange, it's simply gratitude, and you want to help someone get more, as long as he deserves, so you search.

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April 16, 2021, 02:40:27 PM
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It's so hard to get merits, I'm always on the collectibles section buying items so I feel like I never have the chance to be merited. One day I will have activity of a legendary member and still be a junior member 😅
The Merit system was created to stop spammers, but you're not one of them. Judging by your Trust ratings you're a real Bitcoin user who uses the Collectibles board for actual trading.
The problem for earning Merit is that you post like this:
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0.0015 btc
Lot 1 0.0022
I'm interested as well
On the Collectibles boards this is totally fine, but the posts aren't substantial enough to deserve Merit either. So basically, Merit just sucks for you Sad

Therefore, I've sent you some for this post.

Thank you all for the advice. I will try to be more involved in discussions. There definitely will be a learning curve before I can contribute something worthwhile in those discussions as most people here are very knowledgeable!

Thank you Loyce for the merits and yes my posts in trading have been pretty short and direct 😅
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April 17, 2021, 11:14:22 AM
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I will try to be more involved in discussions. There definitely will be a learning curve before I can contribute something worthwhile in those discussions as most people here are very knowledgeable!
I guess you shouldn't worry too much about this if you are a collectible fan, as as far as I know the collectibles section is famous for its generosity of merit if you publish quality content. Personally, I would love to read a first-person guide to creating collectibles from A to Z, (so go for it).

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April 17, 2021, 11:19:26 AM
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The Merit system was created to stop spammers, but you're not one of them. Judging by your Trust ratings you're a real Bitcoin user who uses the Collectibles board for actual trading.
I'm really interested in how you judge someone's performance. Can you show me some criteria? At least, it could be my goal in the future  Cheesy I'm just back here and I'm looking to act like a real user.

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April 17, 2021, 11:29:01 AM
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I'm really interested in how you judge someone's performance. Can you show me some criteria?
I don't have hard criteria, it's quite arbitrary I must admit.
This is something:
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A quality/constructive poster will generally have no pattern to their posting history and will have posts ranging from one word to one sentence to several paragraphs and everything in between and this is what you should be aiming for.

I'm just back here and I'm looking to act like a real user.
I'm not looking for people who act like a real user, you have to be one.
Judging by your post history (and the fact that you're promoting bananas for some reason) puts you in this category:
Quote from: hilariousandco
a typical spammer's posts will often follow some sort of pattern which will be immediately obvious upon inspection and will usually consist of one or two sentences
If I look at your post history, I don't even want to read it.

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April 17, 2021, 11:29:08 AM
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P.S. I never did merit someone just because he merited me and totally against this action.
Why? It's not a merit exchange, it's simply gratitude, and you want to help someone get more, as long as he deserves, so you search.

Yeah, I usually do this on some of my countryman that support me by giving merit on some of my post. I do search on there post history for some meritable post whenever I see there post on a random thread that I’m reading. Somehow I already mark there username in my brain so its easy for me to spot them on a bunch of other post.


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Merits on Bitcointalk are sent for all kinds of posts. You can get merits for posting interesting guides and tutorials, helping someone solve a specific problem, and being knowledgeable and proactive. Even being funny, arrogant, or cynical can help at times.
For me this listed points should be enough criteria for sending out Smerit although most people feel indebted when the receive merits from higher source feeling the have to reciprocate the gesture by sending back some merit to the source. I am still pondering how right this could be but for it's still a good way of spending merits.

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One day I will have activity of a legendary member and still be a junior member 😅
LOL, I really don't want to see how much activity I currently have on my profile because I would be in a different rank without an merit system. But the merit system has at least opened my eyes and mind about the so-called contribution, do we still have to complain when the merit system force us to post quality thing?

Some people may still complain about the difficulty of getting an merit, but you will get it when someone find your post very helpful. There are currently 97 merit source around the forum, maybe you'll get more when they or someone else get the post you deserve.

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