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Today marks one year since the first person died. 1.94M deaths in the first year. I predict we'll hit five million deaths by the summer. Hopefully the US slows down once Trump loses relevancy. https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+numbers
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It is not the administration that is the problem when it comes to pandemic, right now the ignorance of the people is the problem. Anti-vax and anti-maskers is a movement created by people that are completely vaccinated from different diseases that could have crippled them when they were infant and people that were spoon fed everything. I believe that this continued ignorance will be the reason that society will face another collapse. If that deaths were caused by people not following the regulations of not wearing a mask and going to crowded places which are highly discouraged then I do not feel bad about them.
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It is not the administration that is the problem when it comes to pandemic, right now the ignorance of the people is the problem. Anti-vax and anti-maskers is a movement created by people that are completely vaccinated from different diseases that could have crippled them when they were infant and people that were spoon fed everything. I believe that this continued ignorance will be the reason that society will face another collapse. If that deaths were caused by people not following the regulations of not wearing a mask and going to crowded places which are highly discouraged then I do not feel bad about them.
I feel the exact same way. It got to the point where people would refuse to wear one just because they supported Trump. It's been predicted for years that population density will lead to outbreaks like this. If Covid-19 is persistent like the flu, we may not have normal life again until the population shrinks to meet the rising health care capacity. The young people don't understand their actions will kill others. Even if you don't worry about dying from Covid, you should worry about dying from a papercut if it gets infected and there is no health care available. :/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odwVbGO9yxo
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It's been predicted for years that population density will lead to outbreaks like this.
Even if you don't worry about dying from Covid, you should worry about dying from a papercut if it gets infected and there is no health care available. :/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odwVbGO9yxo Yes! There is a documentary from 2005 called The Coming Pandemic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOy3ONFWGgQ&ab_channel=JourneymanPicturesIt shouldn't be surprising that we're surprised but I still am.
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Today marks one year since the first person died. 1.94M deaths in the first year. I predict we'll hit five million deaths by the summer. Hopefully the US slows down once Trump loses relevancy. https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+numbersBy the phony numbers put forward by the mainstream fraudsters I'd say 5M is a significant low-ball. Obviously they are going to count all the vaccination deaths on 'covid-19' and these will be massive. It's all been set up to do this, and it is clear that most of the peeps will believe it no matter how scientifically and medically ridiculous.
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Today marks one year since the first person died. It is not the administration that is the problem when it comes to pandemic, right now the ignorance of the people is the problem. Anti-vax and anti-maskers
It's quite shocking that we are still in this situation, but I don't think we can let governments off the hook. A capable administration would not allow this to persist for a year and act so weakly that once we come around to the anniversary things are worse than ever. Yes, anti-vaxxers etc certainly don't help, but the principal cause of the problem is that governments habitually act only with the short-term in mind, and generally reactively rather than pro-actively. Find a government that locked down before it became a problem, and you'll find a country that has escaped relatively lightly.
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Today marks one year since the first person died. It is not the administration that is the problem when it comes to pandemic, right now the ignorance of the people is the problem. Anti-vax and anti-maskers
It's quite shocking that we are still in this situation, but I don't think we can let governments off the hook. A capable administration would not allow this to persist for a year and act so weakly that once we come around to the anniversary things are worse than ever. Yes, anti-vaxxers etc certainly don't help, but the principal cause of the problem is that governments habitually act only with the short-term in mind, and generally reactively rather than pro-actively. Find a government that locked down before it became a problem, and you'll find a country that has escaped relatively lightly. It's sad to say but, the damage has been done, many minds have been manipulated to believe that mask and the vaccine aren't real. The new administration can lessen, but there would still be people who would blindly believe what they had been told. And I agree, even here in our country, I won't mention, the government just want an impromptu solution to any problems. They are waiting for the worst before they act on it, and they think they are the hero when in the first place, people are already calling out for that action. Now, the ones who are protecting us are the mayors who are busy trying to find solutions to problems that can be solved if not just for the incompetency of the one in the head.
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There is no sign for the end of Covid-19 while the number of infected people raises more than the last year. But we have new hope now because the government now are trying to distribute the vaccine to help the people, and hopefully, that can reduce the number of infected people. But the Covid-19 will not end this year, and I only hope that people will really think about their health and always take care of themselves.
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It's sad to say but, the damage has been done, many minds have been manipulated to believe that mask and the vaccine aren't real. The new administration can lessen, but there would still be people who would blindly believe what they had been told.
It's difficult to quantify the Trump effect, but certainly there has been some effect, yes. The US has 4% of the world's population but has been hovering somewhere north of 20% of the world's Covid deaths. The government are certainly culpable, as they are in other countries. The UK with Boris "I've been shaking hands with everyone" "Masks aren't needed" Johnson is little better. Anecdotal evidence from France suggests only around half their population are willing to take the vaccine. The situation isn't great.
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Find a government that locked down before it became a problem, and you'll find a country that has escaped relatively lightly.
We can only complain about this now cause we've seen the full blown effects of the virus, at the early stage, there were more people against a total lockdown than for it, and on the part of the government, it was a very difficult decision to make, one that you and I know the reason why, shutting down the economy completely isn't something the government just does instantly, they had to reach a consensus on what's most important, which is the health of the citizens and that's why we then had to have lockdowns back then. Having said that, I'm also pretty sure that even before many countries became aware, and even started having talks of a lockdown, the virus had already crept into their country, and was gradually spreading before it became fully blown, I understand the government has to take a share of the blame, but so as the citizens, cause it's absolutely crazy that in my country, at this stage right now, quite a lot of people still believe there's no such thing as covid-19 in our country.
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Today marks one year since the first person died. 1.94M deaths in the first year. I predict we'll hit five million deaths by the summer. Hopefully the US slows down once Trump loses relevancy. https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+numbersBy the phony numbers put forward by the mainstream fraudsters I'd say 5M is a significant low-ball. Obviously they are going to count all the vaccination deaths on 'covid-19' and these will be massive. It's all been set up to do this, and it is clear that most of the peeps will believe it no matter how scientifically and medically ridiculous. It begins. 300 bed nursing home with zero 'covid-19' deaths ---> Shots for 80% of the senile inmates who obviously don't have much of a say ---> 7 days ---> 24 dead from 'covid'. https://humansarefree.com/2021/01/24-dead-and-137-infected-in-nursing-home-after-covid-19-vaccination-previously-they-had-zero-deaths-from-covid.htmlThe good part is they are going to try to do the remaining 20% in the coming days. 'They' stole the money to take care of people as promised by Social Security and associated propaganda. Now when it comes time to pay the piper this is their solution. That's one of a few of the driving forces behind this final solution.
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Random reflections on a year of COVID: - When the first cases appeared in China, I, like most people, dismissed it as an overblown thing like SARS or bird flu. Obviously it's become a world-shaping event.
- When the lockdowns started, I thought that they would only last a few months, and even that few months would cause widespread economic ruin. The extended on-again-off-again lockdowns were surprising -- I was especially surprised by people's tolerance for it --, and I was surprised by how well the economy has handled it so far. Underneath the well-performing markets and some improving data, I suspect that there is quite substantial economic (and social) scarring, though.
- I thought that the lockdowns were stupid when they were enacted, and I still think that they were probably bad ideas when weighing costs and benefits. It's not as if the lockdowns actually stopped the spread in most countries. The only countries that were able to largely stop COVID were extremely repressive regimes like China, and this repression is not an acceptable cost.
- I don't put any particular blame on Trump, or give him any particular credit. Any other president would've probably taken 95% the same actions. Most Western countries had similar COVID stats regardless of their politics or what responses they took.
- I'm still unsure whether the overall freakout about COVID was/is actually rational, or whether it was more of an out-of-control meme. Clearly COVID is much worse than flu, and its threat to human life should not be taken lightly, but does it warrant the enormously larger response than flu? I haven't done enough research on the stats to decide on this, and a lot still isn't known.
- I'm surprised at how I've internalized the stay-at-home mindset, social distancing, mask-wearing, etc. myself. Even knowing that I'm not personally at much risk of dying, I have become super careful about this stuff. I like to think of myself as being sort of separate from society, but clearly I am far from outside of society's influence.
- The boost in medical research is promising. Genetic engineering and genetic therapies will be important in the future. Vaccines were very much delayed by FDA rules, though. If people had been given the option to take less-than-fully-tested vaccines, various vaccines would've been out to the public in spring 2020 and very widespread by now.
- COVID is a major turning point in history, probably even bigger than the 9/11 terrorist attack. Trump probably would've won in 2020 if not for COVID. Division was increased between pro-lockdown/anti-lockdown groups, and between people who thrived during the pandemic (largely the already-well-off) and those who were brought to the brink of survival (a lot of the working class). Extreme government spending and money-printing has been normalized worldwide. The majority of people have had their lives substantially disrupted, and have gotten used to a totally different way of living. The economy was damaged in a way that will have long-lasting effects. We're only seeing the tip of the iceberg of all the effects. We're not going "back to normal", that's for sure.
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Today marks one year since the first person died. 1.94M deaths in the first year. I predict we'll hit five million deaths by the summer. Hopefully the US slows down once Trump loses relevancy. https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+numbersIt's really in January that the first person died? I thought the virus came out in November in 2019 and there were already casualities in December 2019. But still this a very sad time. So there was one year were a lot of research was done but still most people didn't get any vaccine yet. And among my colleagues I heard that most people don't want to be among the first to get the vaccine.
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By the phony numbers put forward by the mainstream fraudsters I'd say 5M is a significant low-ball.
After I posted, I actually thought the number might be too high. The number is going to continue to skyrocket, but not forever. We have the benefit today of knowing how viruses spread - so people that don't want to get sick have a chance. During the Spanish Flu Pandemic people wore cloth masks that had their weaves visible! The US numbers soared because wearing a mask meant you were against Trump, and people were legitimately scared (for their careers or relationships) to wear one! Now that Trump is fading away, I believe we'll see more masks. The economy was damaged in a way that will have long-lasting effects. We're only seeing the tip of the iceberg of all the effects. We're not going "back to normal", that's for sure.
This is becoming the prevalent opinion of experts. Finances will reset like they did in the 30s, but humanity is now packed densely enough with animals in some cities that waves of pandemics - one after the other - will not end until we lower the population. Nature is perfect and self regulating.
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After I posted, I actually thought the number might be too high. The number is going to continue to skyrocket, but not forever. We have the benefit today of knowing how viruses spread - so people that don't want to get sick have a chance. During the Spanish Flu Pandemic people wore cloth masks that had their weaves visible! ...
When they went up to the permafrost to get some 1918 'influenza virus' ALL they came back from the expedition with was bacteria. Most people died from bacterial pneumonia in the 1918 event. Some rather compelling research indicates that by re-using the same animals to make multiple batches of different kinds of vaccines, they managed to cook up a truly nasty bacterial pneumonia and from there (a military camp in the central United States) spread it all over the world. 'They' being the Rockefeller Institute. Back in those days vaccines were puss from an infected cow or horse. It seems possible to me that there never was a virus at all other than a normal seasonal influenza for 1918 but it was so-blamed to divert attention from the nature of the real problem since viruses were especially mysterious in those days. Even with today's technology it can take more than a year to actually apply Koch's postulates to one, figure out a test which works, select a treatment, etc, as evidenced by so-called 'covid-19' operation. It seems possible that the same dynamics (and in fact some of the very same research institutes) are shared between the two events which are separated by 102 years.
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By the phony numbers put forward by the mainstream fraudsters I'd say 5M is a significant low-ball.
After I posted, I actually thought the number might be too high. The number is going to continue to skyrocket, but not forever. We have the benefit today of knowing how viruses spread - so people that don't want to get sick have a chance. During the Spanish Flu Pandemic people wore cloth masks that had their weaves visible! The US numbers soared because wearing a mask meant you were against Trump, and people were legitimately scared (for their careers or relationships) to wear one! Now that Trump is fading away, I believe we'll see more masks. The economy was damaged in a way that will have long-lasting effects. We're only seeing the tip of the iceberg of all the effects. We're not going "back to normal", that's for sure.
This is becoming the prevalent opinion of experts. Finances will reset like they did in the 30s, but humanity is now packed densely enough with animals in some cities that waves of pandemics - one after the other - will not end until we lower the population. Nature is perfect and self regulating.
Yes. Thank you. I find my patience running out for anti-maskers and btw I am over wearing one all day but not nearly as much as I'm over asking grown people to put one on before coming into my place of business AND hearing speeches about this being America and that it's impeding their civil liberties. This pandemic has really challenged my Libertarian leanings, we may have become too stupid for liberty. I don't know if the population debates are still active online but my first thoughts we're that nature would regulate itself *all sarcasm and none intended
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What happened to the "herd immunity" theory, that was proposed by the Swedish researchers? They were claiming that rather than imposing lockdowns and social distancing, if people acquire herd immunity, then the pandemic will be over in 3-4 months. But one year has passed and Sweden is still reporting daily deaths from COVID 19. And now they have started the country-wide vaccination as well, with 80,000 given the first dose till now. Till date, Sweden has reported 9,667 deaths from the pandemic, while the neighboring Norway and Finland have reported 482 and 602 deaths respectively.
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What happened to the "herd immunity" theory, that was proposed by the Swedish researchers? They were claiming that rather than imposing lockdowns and social distancing, if people acquire herd immunity, then the pandemic will be over in 3-4 months. But one year has passed and Sweden is still reporting daily deaths from COVID 19. And now they have started the country-wide vaccination as well, with 80,000 given the first dose till now. Till date, Sweden has reported 9,667 deaths from the pandemic, while the neighboring Norway and Finland have reported 482 and 602 deaths respectively.
I do not think that will help them because if one of that community infected of the Covid-19 can spread to all community, the impact will be bigger than what we can imagine. I do not know what happens now, but what I heard is that the number of infected people still increasing every day. Although the vaccine is available, it will need time to be given to people, especially for infected people.
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I feel the exact same way. It got to the point where people would refuse to wear one just because they supported Trump. Yeah, what I call those people who blindly follow someone are fanatic sycophants. ~
It's been predicted for years that population density will lead to outbreaks like this. If Covid-19 is persistent like the flu, we may not have normal life again until the population shrinks to meet the rising health care capacity. The young people don't understand their actions will kill others. There are theories surrounding that notion, like how Earth is a living system that just simply gets rid of impurities and diseases by causing plagues, pandemics and droughts. I forgot the theory but I have read about it a book where there is a theoretical limit and when that limit is reached, someway Earth gets the limit lower. God bless USA and their expensive healthcare that it is better off that you are dead rather than get your surgery.
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Yes. Thank you. I find my patience running out for anti-maskers and btw I am over wearing one all day but not nearly as much as I'm over asking grown people to put one on before coming into my place of business AND hearing speeches about this being America and that it's impeding their civil liberties. This pandemic has really challenged my Libertarian leanings, we may have become too stupid for liberty. ...
ROTFLMAO. Just from the little bit I've seen, you're a born Fascist. Follow your instincts. Find and stay in your comfort zone my friend. By all indications that would be enslavement side of the equation. You probably WILL ' own nothing and be happy' in 2030 if you happen to make it through the global Russian roulette gauntlet of vaccines.
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