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Is sending money from your bank account using Zelle to buy crypto on a P2P site considered safe? How anonymous can it be?
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January 12, 2021, 06:26:40 PM
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The seller will know your name and your bank during the trade. All that matters is if you're ok or not to let someone at least knows your real name. Zelle has no way to know what you're doing (buying bitcoins) unless of course, you add a note saying something like " for my bitcoin purchase"

Then depending on the P2P website you use, the same information will be stored on their server. Let's say I'm an agency tracking you, I will just need to contact the website to ask for everything I need about you and they will be very happy to send it to me
This is an open door.

Unless you use a decentralized exchange like Bisq where everything is stored on your own computer and not an external server. This is not an open door but if I know the seller, I can convince him to snitch your detail

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January 12, 2021, 08:02:11 PM
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Is sending money from your bank account using Zelle to buy crypto on a P2P site considered safe? How anonymous can it be?

Take note and remember of what Zelle's rules and regulation is with regards to online transactions. You might end up being called and questioned with your online activities once they detected some payments that might be suspicious to them. And also, apparently, using your credit/debit cards from your bank accounts already is giving your own information, no matter how they say they don't get your data. So it is really on your  choice and behalf if you would entrust your identity and bank info on that platform.
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January 12, 2021, 09:08:17 PM
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Is sending money from your bank account using Zelle to buy crypto on a P2P site considered safe? How anonymous can it be?

How does anonymous enter this picture? Zelle isn’t the least bit anonymous. When using a trusted site like localbitcoins (is that still a thing) it’s safe, but far from anonymous.

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January 12, 2021, 09:28:50 PM
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Is sending money from your bank account using Zelle to buy crypto on a P2P site considered safe?

if you buy coins from a reputable user on a site like localbitcoins---and use their escrow system---it's safe, yes.

when it comes time to sell your coins, i recommend against accepting zelle though. there have been lots of chargeback scams with zelle where the sender claimed their bank account was compromised, rendering the zelle transfer fraudulent. zelle and your bank will claw the money back from your account. this has even happened with trusted localbitcoins users whose profiles were hacked/sold and then used in combination with a chargeback scam. always be cautious selling cold hard coins for digital fiat!

https://www.reddit.com/r/localbitcoins/comments/asy7am/zelle_chargeback_scam/
https://www.reddit.com/r/localbitcoins/comments/8y7bym/zelle_scam_chargeback_after_weeks/
https://www.reddit.com/r/localbitcoins/comments/bausfd/zelle_chargeback_452019/

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January 12, 2021, 10:37:32 PM
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In my opinion doing KYC is really not Satoshi wanted to in the system he created because he wanted to develop trust to all bitcoiners. However, there are really abuses everywhere and bitcoin is not an exemption and are being target to any possible illegal activities. So if KYC is really needed then better take KYC for me KYC can do better than harm. If this is the way that we can somehow prevent or avoid activities of those abusers then let it be though it means we are not really liking the process.
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January 13, 2021, 12:57:26 AM
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Since I just entered the crypto space I've only had a couple of purchases (both from the same seller from a P2P site using cash in person). Both of the transactions were very smooth and the seller was really helpful (although I bought too high on the second one which was my fault, but lesson learned). But I think this has spoiled me a bit since I haven't had to give out any bank information yet.

Another thing I've learned is that you can't always rely on the same sellers (especially during a dip like now). I'll probably try another P2P site with no KYC but it just seems harder to buy at a decent price especially during a dip.

I really don't want to use Zelle or bank transactions but now I'm kind of leaning towards buying from a big exchange since it seems to enable you to buy when you feel like it (although the whole fiat to exchange transaction takes time too and I haven't done it yet) .

I would like to buy again during this dip but my inexperience and reluctance to share my bank information is holding me back from purchasing.

So my plan now is to DCA with Swan and then buy crypto on P2P if possible or through Cashapp. I know Swan and Cashapp are KYC but being totally No KYC is too complicated.
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January 13, 2021, 01:36:22 PM
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Then depending on the P2P website you use, the same information will be stored on their server. Let's say I'm an agency tracking you, I will just need to contact the website to ask for everything I need about you and they will be very happy to send it to me. This is an open door.
Unless you use a decentralized exchange like Bisq where everything is stored on your own computer and not an external server. This is not an open door but if I know the seller, I can convince him to snitch your detail

This probably has to be repeated one hundred times every time somebody says that doing p2p deals will grant you all the needed privacy.

I don't know about you guys but at least in my case, I feel better if all the info from the wire I sent to buy bitcoins would be tossed with a million others than handing them over directly to a random guy on the internet.
Unless you plan to do a face to face trade when you go to another city to do the deal, weak masks and gloves and sunglasses, switch 3 trains and 4 buses back home, mix the coins, burn the clothes you have been wearing only for this deal and get a permanent haircut you will never be truly anonymous, and even those measures might fail. Even in-person deals mean nothing, people should always remember what happened to Burtw, 1, 2, especially the part about asking to hand over his account to them.

So my plan now is to DCA with Swan and then buy crypto on P2P if possible or through Cashapp. I know Swan and Cashapp are KYC but being totally No KYC is too complicated.

If you're already thinking (although reluctantly) to do KYC with all those why not stick with just one and avoid all the possible headaches, including one from your bank who might get suspicious about multiple small sums flowing to those services and random persons in different states?  
One thing is for certain, anonymity and convenience are not really blending well when you try to deal with in fiat<>btc.

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January 14, 2021, 08:13:46 PM
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Even in-person deals mean nothing, people should always remember what happened to Burtw, 1, 2, especially the part about asking to hand over his account to them.

the issue of undercover agents infiltrating the american p2p market is indeed troubling and is the single biggest danger to p2p traders IMO. so many people are ignorant of the law so they hand their cases to the feds on a silver platter. i've been researching the legal issues surrounding p2p bitcoin exchange quite a bit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5308020

.....and there is a crucial element to @BurtW's case which can't be ignored. he says it himself, and it's as true today as it was in 2017:

If I had never advertised on localbitcoins they would have never been able to claim what I was doing was a business and they would not have been able to arrest me for running a business without the proper license.

i quite like bitcoins for cash, no ID with a burner phone for contact. as long as you're on the right side of the law. because there are definitely cops on LBC trying to trick you into breaking it.

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It's crazy to hear that people are being arrested for P2P crypto exchanges, never really knew about that. I realize that there are risks like this and also a risk of being robbed in person, which is why I have only done in person exchanges at local police stations (safe exchange zones).

But my main issue as a newbie is this - I just want to buy crypto instantaneously at the market price when I feel like it, and I don't really see how to do this without joining a KYC exchange or using a KYC app.

I realize I'm still new to the crypto space and need more experience, contacts, and knowledge on how to do things the proper and safe way (and being on this forum has helped a lot with that). But I'm just finding it extremely difficult to make the moves I want to make when I want to make them without giving up personal and bank information on a KYC exchange or app.

Maybe I was a bit delusional since my first couple of P2P exchanges were in person and didn't have to give up any information at all (not even a phone number), but now since those contacts have disappeared from the P2P site I'm struggling to figure out my next strategy on how to purchase. Not being able to buy during the last dip was extremely frustrating and right now having to give up KYC info seems like a trade off that is necessary to do the things I want to do.



 
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January 17, 2021, 07:42:15 AM
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Is sending money from your bank account using Zelle to buy crypto on a P2P site considered safe?

if you buy coins from a reputable user on a site like localbitcoins---and use their escrow system---it's safe, yes.

when it comes time to sell your coins, i recommend against accepting zelle though. there have been lots of chargeback scams with zelle where the sender claimed their bank account was compromised, rendering the zelle transfer fraudulent. zelle and your bank will claw the money back from your account. this has even happened with trusted localbitcoins users whose profiles were hacked/sold and then used in combination with a chargeback scam. always be cautious selling cold hard coins for digital fiat!

https://www.reddit.com/r/localbitcoins/comments/asy7am/zelle_chargeback_scam/
https://www.reddit.com/r/localbitcoins/comments/8y7bym/zelle_scam_chargeback_after_weeks/
https://www.reddit.com/r/localbitcoins/comments/bausfd/zelle_chargeback_452019/



Do you know how long someone can reverse a zelle payment?  But majority of these scams are actual people using their own bank account and saying zelle was fraudulent?  Or it was more they hacking someones bank account to do this?
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i don't think there is a stated policy. if you check those reddit threads, people have had zelle payments reversed 6 weeks after the trade occurred. that's why i don't touch payment methods like that---just like a bounced check, it can fuck you over months down the road.

But majority of these scams are actual people using their own bank account and saying zelle was fraudulent?  Or it was more they hacking someones bank account to do this?

i reckon some from column A, some from column B.

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Are there people here that trade crypto for zelle nowadays?  Only do with people you know correct?
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Are there people here that trade crypto for zelle nowadays?  Only do with people you know correct?
Yes, but you are looking at the wrong place. 

Check out the Currency Exchange board for threads with Zelle offers like this

You could also just make an advertisement of your offer and wait for a seller to contact you. Beware of untrusted newbie accounts.

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