Vareole is a scammer

[adriankendrick]

What happened:
Wanted to buy a preloaded VCC. After I sent him the ethereums*, he changed the ethereum address to a new one and said I did not pay the money.
I then accused him of changing the address after I sent the money. His first reaction was that he didn't changed anything (keep that in mind!).
Afterwards I sent him an screenshot of his message where you can see the pencil besides his message. The pencil means it was edited.
Suddenly he changes his excuse to a mistake were he accidentally sent me a bitcoin address instead of an eth address, but he said he changed it immediately (Now suddenly he remembers  that he did change the message!)
You can read more in the provided link below.

* I sent the ethereums via my phone wallet, therefore I sent the eth address and the amount myself via telegram and then I checked the address so I did not mistakenly copied the wrong one or missed some characters. Proof with timestamps: https://imgur.com/a/0RTIHQb

In order to proof that he changed the address, after I sent him my money, I looked up if there is a possibility to check when a message was edited in skype.
The answer was, you can download all you skype messages from this skype website, with the times when they were edited:
https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA34894/how-do-i-export-my-skype-files-and-chat-history
Please keep in mind, you can not download the original content of the message, but the times when those were created/edited.
Those times in the file are in UTC, but I'm in UTC+1. That's the reason why there is 1 hour difference between the file and the images.


So what did I find out?
Oh, what a surprise I can confirm now, that he changed the message afterwards...

Code:

{
    "id": "1610573352373",
    "displayName": "vareole",
    "originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:29:07.76Z",
    "messagetype": "RichText",
    "version": 1610573785549.0,
    "content": "0x449604b95d89EE448C40379c9aED978F20219008<e_m a=\"live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750\" ts_ms=\"1610573347760\" ts=\"1610573347\" t=\"61\"></e_m>",
    "conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
    "from": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
    "properties": {
        "edittime": "1610573785033"
    },
    "amsreferences": null
},
{
    "id": "1610573785299",
    "displayName": "vareole",
    "originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:36:25.299Z",
    "messagetype": "RichText",
    "version": 1610573785299.0,
    "content": "0x449604b95d89EE448C40379c9aED978F20219008<e_m a=\"live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750\" ts_ms=\"1610573347760\" ts=\"1610573347\" t=\"61\"></e_m>",
    "conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
    "from": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
    "properties": {
        "isserversidegenerated": "True"
    },
    "amsreferences": null
},

So there you can see he sent the original message at 21:29 and changed it at 21:36.
His excuse, that he immediately edited the message because of an mistakenly sent bitcoin address, is now busted.
Nearly 7 minutes difference is not immediately!!!

If we look now when I sent my message "Is sending"...

Code:

{
    "id": "1610573692204",
    "displayName": null,
    "originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:34:52.091Z",
    "messagetype": "RichText",
    "version": 1610573692204.0,
    "content": "Is sending",
    "conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
    "from": "8:live:.cid.77940be53fdf7a5e",
    "properties": null,
    "amsreferences": null
},

.. you can see that I sent it at 21:34. That means he changed his message after I sent him the money.

In order to proof this numbers I want to send this file to a moderator. So please contact me, so we can discuss a way, how I can send you the file with a proof that I didn't edited it.
I will not upload the file publicly because there are all my messages with other people in there too.

I hope this accuse is enough proof for vareole getting at least flagged or banned.

Scammers Profile Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2816771

Reference Link:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5256754.0

Amount Scammed: 0.121152 ETH (110€)
Payment Method: Ethereum
Proof of Payment: https://etherscan.io/tx/0x1f1c0da51240d750833f2f97c03496b4ee1ce3d1970a23340c96d1055d9dda69
PM/Chat Logs: https://imgur.com/a/xJBZhEx
Additional Notes:
Do not buy anything from vareole!!

Flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2587

[wrzvrflw]

Thanks for opening yet another thread against this piece of shit. To anyone who's new and might be reading this, I was also scammed by this motherfucker. My thread is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5300411.0

By now, countless of people were scammed by this guy. How many more do we need to lose money and peace of mind before taking any action?

Additionally, from the info I gathered, this guy has scammed in the past under multiple identities. Once it becomes clear that his "Vareole" identity is a scammer (there are way too many reports and too many proofs by now, I suspect that he stopped caring and is cashing as much as he can), he will throw "Vareole" away and start being a thief all over again, under another nickname.

The only real way to deal with these vermins is to use escrow, other than waiting the loud blast karma has in store for him and anyone involved...

Please be careful everyone and don't make our same mistakes.

[scamrepva]

Now the older guys of the forum will come and again will say that you are my second account, or the account of the guy who also created a complaint against him.

I wonder if the guys with the high rank will be followed by an apology or some kind of excuse? After all, the fact that he deceived besides us and is still deceiving is only their fault, they could mark his profile and support the flag right away, perhaps this would have to be avoided.

Scam Vareole #1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5300411.0
Scam Vareole #2 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5296419.0

Dozens of circumstantial evidence, because it was impossible to do this with all the screenshots, when people buy they do not assume that they will be deceived and trust the person who has a lot of fake feedback.

Trusted guys, go in and study all the evidence, I think it's time for you to make the right decision.

Although my heart tells me that we will again be accused of collusion with everyone who makes a complaint.

[wrzvrflw]

Now the older guys of the forum will come and again will say that you are my second account, or the account of the guy who also created a complaint against him.

I wonder if the guys with the high rank will be followed by an apology or some kind of excuse? After all, the fact that he deceived besides us and is still deceiving is only their fault, they could mark his profile and support the flag right away, perhaps this would have to be avoided.

Scam Vareole #1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5300411.0
Scam Vareole #2 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5296419.0

Dozens of circumstantial evidence, because it was impossible to do this with all the screenshots, when people buy they do not assume that they will be deceived and trust the person who has a lot of fake feedback.

Trusted guys, go in and study all the evidence, I think it's time for you to make the right decision.

Although my heart tells me that we will again be accused of collusion with everyone who makes a complaint.

I unfortunately agree with your last sentence, because I have experienced your exact same pain on my own skin.

Btw, another report against that scammer Vareole just came up, this is getting crazy and out of hand. If I was an admin or moderator of a forum like this I wouldn't just ignore these reports altogether, especially not when many of them contain good enough proof given the circumstances, and especially not when the accused guy doesn't even bother to reply to any of these.

I know if I was a legit seller I would be livid if someone tried to pass my hard work as a scam, but that doesn't touch Vareole nor anyone in this forum and he keeps pocketing hundreds of people's hard earned money. Hell, I'm not even a seller but I become livid when all these coalized people try to pass me an alt of you or other people who make these scam reports.

One thing I learned for sure: this forum is not the place if you look for justice nor it cares about all the shady stuff it is going on; it looks just the opposite in fact, when you try to say what happened to you and bring the best proof you can, they will just accuse you of being an impostor for some reason, apparently without even looking at your case or coming up with valid and structured counter-arguments. Very scary given the forum's size and how much it is known.

[actmyname]

One thing I learned for sure: this forum is not the place if you look for justice nor it cares about all the shady stuff it is going on; it looks just the opposite in fact, when you try to say what happened to you and bring the best proof you can, they will just accuse you of being an impostor for some reason, apparently without even looking at your case or coming up with valid and structured counter-arguments. Very scary given the forum's size and how much it is known.

Part of the reason that you'll find such an inhospitable environment is due to the way the forum operates.

Scams are not moderated and alt accounts are allowed, so effectively every new account that is created is automatically assumed to be a sockpuppet or alternate account by many users. I don't personally commit to this ideology, though at times it becomes difficult to contain my biases: it happens so often that false positives are sometimes dismissed and accepted as an unfortunate sacrifice.

The other part is that you'll have people who get paid to post, so you can understand why they might not commit all their time to reading situations in full detail.

[wrzvrflw]

One thing I learned for sure: this forum is not the place if you look for justice nor it cares about all the shady stuff it is going on; it looks just the opposite in fact, when you try to say what happened to you and bring the best proof you can, they will just accuse you of being an impostor for some reason, apparently without even looking at your case or coming up with valid and structured counter-arguments. Very scary given the forum's size and how much it is known.

Part of the reason that you'll find such an inhospitable environment is due to the way the forum operates.

Scams are not moderated and alt accounts are allowed, so effectively every new account that is created is automatically assumed to be a sockpuppet or alternate account by many users. I don't personally commit to this ideology, though at times it becomes difficult to contain my biases: it happens so often that false positives are sometimes dismissed and accepted as an unfortunate sacrifice.

The other part is that you'll have people who get paid to post, so you can understand why they might not commit all their time to reading situations in full detail.

I think this is one of the first reasonable replies I have received since I have joined this community to explain my unfortunate situation. Thanks for your constructive message.

I understand this forum's situation a bit better now. But I am not an alt, do you have any suggestion on how one could effectively demonstrate that he's not an alt, shutting down false accusations once and for all? I even offered myself to get on the phone and anything that might be necessary to prove myself (even meet in person in a safe place if anyone lives near me), but not only that didn't change a thing (I was still being accused of being an alt lol, crazy), I'm not even sure if that's the best way to do it.

About the highlighted part, I'm not sure what you're implying. Are you saying that some accounts are getting paid to post and defend the scammer? If that's what you meant, that's certainly something I thought about too given the absurdness and lack of logic in their replies.

[actmyname]

About the highlighted part, I'm not sure what you're implying. Are you saying that some accounts are getting paid to post and defend the scammer? If that's what you meant, that's certainly something I thought about too given the absurdness and lack of logic in their replies.

There are these marketing campaigns known as "signature campaigns" and you might note that under my post is the typical forum signature slot you'll see with your common customizable individuality in these spaces. Unlike other forums, however, advertisers will sometimes pay users to brand their product with links and pay those members of the campaign to do so.

Some campaigns have payment structures where users get paid per post and others have ones where they need to hit x posts per week for some fixed payment. The reason you might see some people start posting garbage is probably because they want to hit their quotas.

I even offered myself to get on the phone and anything that might be necessary to prove myself (even meet in person in a safe place if anyone lives near me), but not only that didn't change a thing (I was still being accused of being an alt lol, crazy), I'm not even sure if that's the best way to do it.

There's no way to convince an idiot that their framework is wrong. People who trap themselves inside of their biases are limited in that struggle if they refuse to accept external insight.

I don't assume anyone to be an alt but you can't prevent people from doing the opposite.

[wrzvrflw]

About the highlighted part, I'm not sure what you're implying. Are you saying that some accounts are getting paid to post and defend the scammer? If that's what you meant, that's certainly something I thought about too given the absurdness and lack of logic in their replies.

There are these marketing campaigns known as "signature campaigns" and you might note that under my post is the typical forum signature slot you'll see with your common customizable individuality in these spaces. Unlike other forums, however, advertisers will sometimes pay users to brand their product with links and pay those members of the campaign to do so.

Some campaigns have payment structures where users get paid per post and others have ones where they need to hit x posts per week for some fixed payment. The reason you might see some people start posting garbage is probably because they want to hit their quotas.

I even offered myself to get on the phone and anything that might be necessary to prove myself (even meet in person in a safe place if anyone lives near me), but not only that didn't change a thing (I was still being accused of being an alt lol, crazy), I'm not even sure if that's the best way to do it.

There's no way to convince an idiot that their framework is wrong. People who trap themselves inside of their biases are limited in that struggle if they refuse to accept external insight.

I don't assume anyone to be an alt but you can't prevent people from doing the opposite.

I 100% understand now, thanks for taking the time to lay down your thoughts in detail.

Your reply was totally fair and objective - a breath of fresh air. Much appreciated.

[Lorence.xD]

If this guy is a scammer, and I have seen that name pop up for awhile now, why are you guys still doing deals with him then? I get that the services might be rare in the discussion but don't you think that it is a little desperate for you to go on your way to just accept the said service? Why not use an escrow to make sure that everything will go smoothly? With a lot of this mud slinging going on, I do not know who should I believe because some of them do not have a damning evidence to support their accusation.

[Steamtyme]

I have tagged the account neutral for now with a reference link to this thread. Will wait to see what Vareole has to say regarding these accusations and the changing of addresses.

This is an instance of why I do not communicate trades off forum with users. PM's can't be edited once sent, and there is a particularly useful user who scrapes all posts for their original content so edits wouldn't matter.

~snip~

No one on DT has tagged the account yet, that's part of the reason. With a lot of the accounts being newbie they will get dismissed more often than not. This was an instance that I think showed at the least very questionable methods of finalizing an exchange.

[wrzvrflw]

Like I told OP in skype already I have sent him btc wallet, but he wanted to buy vcc for eth.
Message was edited within seconds not minutes later like he claim here.

You do realize that you clown are collapsing under the weight of your own lies and weak defense excuses?

The weight of your own actions will be so heavy it will not only crush your body but your soul too. You can't even start understanding these things but you definitely fucked with the wrong people. Keep watching punk and remember my words when the time comes. They will haunt you for eternity

[adriankendrick]

If this guy is a scammer, and I have seen that name pop up for awhile now, why are you guys still doing deals with him then? I get that the services might be rare in the discussion but don't you think that it is a little desperate for you to go on your way to just accept the said service? Why not use an escrow to make sure that everything will go smoothly? With a lot of this mud slinging going on, I do not know who should I believe because some of them do not have a damning evidence to support their accusation.

Because we are newbies. E.g. I didn‘t know that there were hidden untrusted feedbacks, he also has at least one or two vouches from heros in his thread and I have to say I didn‘t know what an escrow service was, but now I do.

Like I told OP in skype already I have sent him btc wallet, but he wanted to buy vcc for eth.
Message was edited within seconds not minutes later like he claim here.

This is bullshit, I have the proof that you edited the message several minutes later.
If one of the mods would PM me, I can proof that my numbers are right and your statements wrong!

[AB de Royse777]

And the scammer is still not tagged Guess why? Alt of DT? Noo that's not possible

It seems being in the DT is a curse LOL

Code:

{
    "id": "1610573352373",
    "displayName": "vareole",
    "originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:29:07.76Z",
    "messagetype": "RichText",
    "version": 1610573785549.0,
    "content": "0x449604b95d89EE448C40379c9aED978F20219008<e_m a=\"live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750\" ts_ms=\"1610573347760\" ts=\"1610573347\" t=\"61\"></e_m>",
    "conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
    "from": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
    "properties": {
        "edittime": "1610573785033"
    },
    "amsreferences": null
},
{
    "id": "1610573785299",
    "displayName": "vareole",
    "originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:36:25.299Z",
    "messagetype": "RichText",
    "version": 1610573785299.0,
    "content": "0x449604b95d89EE448C40379c9aED978F20219008<e_m a=\"live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750\" ts_ms=\"1610573347760\" ts=\"1610573347\" t=\"61\"></e_m>",
    "conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
    "from": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
    "properties": {
        "isserversidegenerated": "True"
    },
    "amsreferences": null
},

So there you can see he sent the original message at 21:29 and changed it at 21:36.
His excuse, that he immediately edited the message because of an mistakenly sent bitcoin address, is now busted.
Nearly 7 minutes difference is not immediately!!!

If we look now when I sent my message "Is sending"...

Code:

{
    "id": "1610573692204",
    "displayName": null,
    "originalarrivaltime": "2021-01-13T21:34:52.091Z",
    "messagetype": "RichText",
    "version": 1610573692204.0,
    "content": "Is sending",
    "conversationid": "8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750",
    "from": "8:live:.cid.77940be53fdf7a5e",
    "properties": null,
    "amsreferences": null
},

What tool can I use to verify this message and how can I see this myself and also how would I know the address is user vareole's?
Telegram handle archived: https://archive.vn/wip/sPbAv

[adriankendrick]

What tool can I use to verify this message and how can I see this myself and also how would I know the address is user vareole's?
Telegram handle archived: https://archive.vn/wip/sPbAv

You don‘t need a special tool to verify. In the skype download there is a JSON file with all messages. Do you know JSON?
I will PM you for the exchange of the file.
You can see the skype id in vareole‘s post. https://archive.vn/FtBws

[actmyname]

You don‘t need a special tool to verify. In the skype download there is a JSON file with all messages. Do you know JSON?
I will PM you for the exchange of the file.
You can see the skype id in vareole‘s post. https://archive.vn/FtBws

The main problem is with the fact that text files et al can be edited easily, after the fact.

If you can imagine a way for you to fake the details, then you can understand why it's difficult to verify the evidence without having direct access to anything.

[adriankendrick]

The main problem is with the fact that text files et al can be edited easily, after the fact.

If you can imagine a way for you to fake the details, then you can understand why it's difficult to verify the evidence without having direct access to anything.

As I already wrote in the first post, I will find a way to exchange the file with a 100% proof that I didn‘t edit the file.
I will add you to my PM so you can check it too.

[adriankendrick]

In order to be a completely transparent with all of you I will provide you the method, how I exchanged the file with Royse777 and actmyname without the possibility for me to change the file.

I know I can‘t send you the file, because that could be edited by me.
But I thought if you download the file yourself from skype, I‘m not able to change anything.

So please go to http://go.skype.com/export and login with my credentials:

Email: xxxxxx
Password: xxxxxx

There you should see an available export from the 14th of January.
Please download that.

You will get a tar file. This needs to be extracted (if you don‘t know how, please ask or google).
In the archive is a json file. Open that with a text editor (e.g. notepad++ or visual studio code).

If you search now for the eth address of vareole (0x449604b95d89EE448C40379c9aED978F20219008) you will see both messages as in my post and you can check the times.

If you then search for my message "Is sending" you can see the time when I sent that message.

This proofs, that vareole changed the message after I sent him the money and this means he lied.

[Lorence.xD]

I have tagged the account neutral for now with a reference link to this thread. Will wait to see what Vareole has to say regarding these accusations and the changing of addresses.

This is an instance of why I do not communicate trades off forum with users. PM's can't be edited once sent, and there is a particularly useful user who scrapes all posts for their original content so edits wouldn't matter.

~snip~

No one on DT has tagged the account yet, that's part of the reason. With a lot of the accounts being newbie they will get dismissed more often than not. This was an instance that I think showed at the least very questionable methods of finalizing an exchange.

Good thing that there is some compromise happening after all this debacle. I know about the DT part but wouldn't they be wary of the transaction in the first place, they made the transaction in this forum so they might as well ask some people on the right board about the one that they are having a transaction with. Pretty bad being a newbie in this platform, the concerns might be serious but if the scammer is smarter than you, you might get thrown down the gutter, understandably the forum also wants to prevent possible defamation of some veteran users.

[AB de Royse777]

I was able to download the file from OPs skype account. The json code provided was authentic, actmyname also confirmed me the same.

There is one problem with this export file which is - they do not show message that was before editing. OP also had an edited text just right before Vareole sent the address. The content of that edited text and original text was same that conclude me that skype do not keep log of the message that was edited.

{"id":"1610573352373","displayName":"vareole","originalarrivaltime":"2021-01-13T21:29:07.76Z","messagetype":"RichText","version":1610573785549.0,"content":"0x449604b95d89EE448C40379c9aED978F20219008<e_m a=\"live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750\" ts_ms=\"1610573347760\" ts=\"1610573347\" t=\"61\"></e_m>","conversationid":"8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750","from":"8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750","properties":{"edittime":"1610573785033"},"amsreferences":null},


{"id":"1610573785299","displayName":"vareole","originalarrivaltime":"2021-01-13T21:36:25.299Z","messagetype":"RichText","version":1610573785299.0,"content":"0x449604b95d89EE448C40379c9aED978F20219008<e_m a=\"live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750\" ts_ms=\"1610573347760\" ts=\"1610573347\" t=\"61\"></e_m>","conversationid":"8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750","from":"8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750","properties":{"isserversidegenerated":"True"},"amsreferences":null},

{"id":"1610572806480","displayName":null,"originalarrivaltime":"2021-01-13T21:20:06.341Z","messagetype":"RichText","version":1610572814543.0,"content":"Are you still here?<e_m a=\"live:.cid.77940be53fdf7a5e\" ts_ms=\"1610572806341\" ts=\"1610572806\" t=\"61\"></e_m>","conversationid":"8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750","from":"8:live:.cid.77940be53fdf7a5e","properties":{"edittime":"1610572814168"},"amsreferences":null},

{"id":"1610572814449","displayName":null,"originalarrivaltime":"2021-01-13T21:20:14.449Z","messagetype":"RichText","version":1610572814449.0,"content":"Are you still here?<e_m a=\"live:.cid.77940be53fdf7a5e\" ts_ms=\"1610572806341\" ts=\"1610572806\" t=\"61\"></e_m>","conversationid":"8:live:.cid.20c7fbbb89171750","from":"8:live:.cid.77940be53fdf7a5e","properties":{"isserversidegenerated":"True"},"amsreferences":null},

If skype had previous unedited log then the case would have been very clear cut however considering the circumstance and considering the response from Vareole - it is clear that Vareole did not tell us the true story in fact, he lied to us which let me conclude that Vareole indeed scammed OP. It was a nice strategy to be fair..

Message was edited within seconds not minutes later like he claim here.

On the above code green is original time and red is edited time.
Original time:  ~snip~, 21:29:07
Edited time: ~snip~, 21:36:25
Source converter.

From: Saturday, 16 January 2021, 21:29:07
To: Saturday, 16 January 2021, 21:36:25

Result: 0 hours, 7 minutes and 18 seconds

Calculator
This does not feel few seconds rather it's over 7 minutes.

I am tagging user vareole. adriankendrick, please create a flag type two too, you will have my support. Sorry for your lose adriankendrick.

Edit:
@vareole, if you have a better explanation within 24 hours then please feel free to share. I will consider revising the tag if it is satisfying also I will wait for this 24 hours before supporting any flag against you.

[Steamtyme]

I was able to download the file from OPs skype account. The json code provided was authentic, actmyname also confirmed me the same.

Okay well that clarifies that bit. I was inclined to believe OP but was fairly positive apart from accessing their account there was no way to validate their information. I previously opted not to place the following opinion on the matter in this thread until more was revealed.

Regardless of what address was posted I hold Vareole responsible for OP's lost funds. You do not post an address, ask for payment, then edit the address ever. Even if it's posted in error, you should leave it there, and then just post that that was the wrong address please send to: [Insert correct address] Never deleting or editing the conversation. Given what we know of Skype there is no way from us to see what address was in fact posted originally, this would be damning evidence either way.

My neutral feedback on the matter looked at this as at the very least poor practices in providing their service and at the worst shady dealings. Could Vareole have been taken advantage of in that moment. Seems far fetched, given OP could not have known that Vareole would have edited the address as opposed to typing out the proper one after posting their TX. I'll be revising my feedback to reflect that vareole lied about the edit, and dismissed OP until DT looked into the matter. Very dangerous for newbies when this is how service is provided.