SCAM!!! AdkinsBet scammed me for amount of 196 mBTC in completely blatant way

[Furious 7]

The AdkinsBET user account last logged in here on 20th January 2021 (3 days ago) so there does not seem to be any real hurry to pay the OP the funds that are being withheld: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2882335

In a short space of time AdkinsBET have had their reputation destroyed and all those posts that are made mentioning DT conspiracy theories are nothing but a smokescreen trying to deflect from the real issue.

From AdkinsBET account that was no longer active 3 days ago, will he try to exit without solving the problem? So I imagine some funds are on hold while they are no longer communicating, I am also afraid of obstacles to others if they are still using the site to bet here.

I think AdkinsBET's trust will not be lost because DT has all marked it so this is not a conspiracy they just made to try to pay off their redtrust confidence in themselves.

[AB de Royse777]

I am also afraid of obstacles to others if they are still using the site to bet here.

Maybe we should start reporting their domain name to namecheap.

Registry Server URL: https://rdap.verisign.com/com/v1/domain/adkinsbet.com
Last updated from Registry RDAP DB: 2021-01-23 11:30:25 UTC
Registrar Server URL: https://rdap.namecheap.com/domain/ADKINSBET.COM
Last updated from Registrar RDAP DB: 2021-01-23 14:54:51 UTC

In the past, we have reported domains and I think few of them were taken down. Can we try this one too? I will report them with details sometimes today (right now I am in the middle of some personal life issues). Some of you can do the same. Perhaps this will help a lot of innocent users. If the domain is down then there will be no more scam from these scammers from this brand name. I am pretty sure in google they already got some PR which is not good for regular gamblers.

@wildan88, too much game-protect style is bad for you. Maybe you are trying hard to hide yourself but it's not working much.

[JollyGood]

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@wildan88, too much game-protect style is bad for you. Maybe you are trying hard to hide yourself but it's not working much.

I would not have linked the two together, after all the latter was not even able to string meaningful sentences together but the former has a legible format even though I disagree with what they wrote.

[sempak]

I am also afraid of obstacles to others if they are still using the site to bet here.

Maybe we should start reporting their domain name to namecheap.

Registry Server URL: https://rdap.verisign.com/com/v1/domain/adkinsbet.com
Last updated from Registry RDAP DB: 2021-01-23 11:30:25 UTC
Registrar Server URL: https://rdap.namecheap.com/domain/ADKINSBET.COM
Last updated from Registrar RDAP DB: 2021-01-23 14:54:51 UTC

In the past, we have reported domains and I think few of them were taken down. Can we try this one too? I will report them with details sometimes today (right now I am in the middle of some personal life issues). Some of you can do the same. Perhaps this will help a lot of innocent users. If the domain is down then there will be no more scam from these scammers from this brand name. I am pretty sure in google they already got some PR which is not good for regular gamblers.

@wildan88, too much game-protect style is bad for you. Maybe you are trying hard to hide yourself but it's not working much.

somebody is getting frustrated here it seems 

[BitcoinAccepted]

At this point, with his last message, Royse777 got emotional and lost his objectivity.

[FatFork]

I still want to believe that AdkinsBet is going to do what it takes to resolve this situation with a positive outcome. Shutting down their domain will have an irreversible negative impact on all gamblers who currently have a balance on the platform.

Not sure, but it may be a premature reaction at this point. Maybe a neutral third party mediation would be a more appropriate choice?

[AdkinsBET]

Hi folks,

We do not have a special representative on the forum, so until then I will keep an eye on the forum.
My last post was not a demand, it was a proposal. I feel sorry if people thought we wanted to set demands.
Personally I do not have much experience on Bitcointalk forum.
We have spoken with the user realscout and we will refund his last deposit from 37 mBTC.
After this refund, we can move on and close this topic as solved.
We are sorry for the inconvenience that may have arise.

@royse777
You are free to make a complaint with namecheap. We have all the required documents and licenses to run this business.
You can also contact the gaming authorities in Curacao, If you think we are not pursuing the correct policy.

Ray

 

[BlackFor3st]

Open your eyes, guys. This reaction from Royse777 is not normal!
An accusation topic is normal, but his comments that he wants to close this site himself indicates that there is a lot more going on here.
Royse has somehow a substantial interest that adkinsbet.com should be closed as soon as possible. The only question is why he wants that so badly. This has nothing to do with the status of a bookmaker anymore.
They way royse is talking is really a disgrace for everybody who is wearing the DT status now, and in my opinion royse777 DT status should be removed immediately.
he is chasing on Adkinsbet from day 1 already. Something suspicious is going on, and it seems Royse wants to do anything to take Adkinsbet down.
Dt members who lost their mind while posting, or are corrupt should be removed from the list.

[wildan88]

I am also afraid of obstacles to others if they are still using the site to bet here.

Maybe we should start reporting their domain name to namecheap.

Registry Server URL: https://rdap.verisign.com/com/v1/domain/adkinsbet.com
Last updated from Registry RDAP DB: 2021-01-23 11:30:25 UTC
Registrar Server URL: https://rdap.namecheap.com/domain/ADKINSBET.COM
Last updated from Registrar RDAP DB: 2021-01-23 14:54:51 UTC

In the past, we have reported domains and I think few of them were taken down. Can we try this one too? I will report them with details sometimes today (right now I am in the middle of some personal life issues). Some of you can do the same. Perhaps this will help a lot of innocent users. If the domain is down then there will be no more scam from these scammers from this brand name. I am pretty sure in google they already got some PR which is not good for regular gamblers.

@wildan88, too much game-protect style is bad for you. Maybe you are trying hard to hide yourself but it's not working much.

That is great news, so now I am game-protect suddenly?
And on what information is that based exactly? Where is your proof?

[AB de Royse777]

@royse777
You are free to make a complaint with namecheap. We have all the required documents and licenses to run this business.
You can also contact the gaming authorities in Curacao, If you think we are not pursuing the correct policy.

Good to see a response you made directly to me. So can you answer three questions that I have asked you long ago?

Who is your provider?
Another question, who do the KYC for you?

I asked the above two questions (let's give them number, 1 and 2) before and no answer from adkinsbet yet.

3. Can you sign a message with a bitcoin address that has a convincing amount of bitcoin to run your gambling business?
For example, once cloudbet or another sportbook was asked to sign a message with bitcoin holding for their business and they were able to sign an address holding 300+ BTC if my memory is correct.

So, your game provider, KYC provider and reserve fund.

[LoyceV]

We have spoken with the user realscout and we will refund his last deposit from 37 mBTC.

@realscout: if you can confirm you've been made whole, you can/should withdraw your Flag.

[Adzivu]

When you solve his case you are more than welcome to solve the others and continue with your business.

[actmyname]

More importantly: did you tell players that you changed the ToS and have them agree to the new terms?

Looking for an answer to this question, Ray. What's stopping you from changing the Terms and Conditions page unilaterally at any time to rope in some clauses that let you confiscate funds?

[realscout]

they claim that i used finnish vpn to hide my real location, althought i havent used any, and i always used my real ip it was fisrt in my ip list that they had provided so i didnt hide my location, moreover i dont understand why they dont want to return my first deposit as well, and why they dont want to return funds that i won. also they asked me to send them documents for kyc to (!!!) return half of my deposit.

[actmyname]

they claim that i used finnish vpn to hide my real location

It's tricky with this VPN rule because the proof from either side (as of now) are merely their statements:

Hard to prove the VPN usage because even mentions of common ipv4 addresses can simply be reduced to claims - it would be easy to take the IP from a known VPN node and claim that it was used.
Hard to disprove the VPN usage since we don't know the exactness of their methods or the validity of their claims - it is difficult to show evidence of lying unless the data was audited independently or sourced from a third party.Even discounting the whole ToS change (I still haven't seen any response to my question), it's extremely strange to confiscate a user's funds simply due to VPN usage: is there a problem with keeping your true IP confidential if you are allowed to play and you're providing personal details elsewhere? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[deadthings]

Be careful Wildan, he already tagged you that you are an alt account of Game-Protect.
I got an idea, if I will change my posting style and defend projects, then I will be Game Protect as well?
Let's hope Royse will have enough free time, since with thse arguments he can tag about like.. 2000 accounts at least. Game Protect nowadays supposed to have a big army lol

[FatFork]

Even discounting the whole ToS change (I still haven't seen any response to my question), it's extremely strange to confiscate a user's funds simply due to VPN usage: is there a problem with keeping your true IP confidential if you are allowed to play and you're providing personal details elsewhere? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's a peculiar thing when it comes to ToS changes.

For starters, we have this:

We reserve the right to revise and amend the terms and conditions, including all documents, and information, to which reference is made at any time and to make those changes on the website. You should therefore visit this page regularly to review any changes that have been made. If the general terms and conditions are changed, this will be announced on the page, as well as the date of the modification. If you continue to use the website and the services offered after changing the terms and conditions, you hereby indicate that you agree to the new terms and conditions and will be effective immediately. Bets that have not been settled before the amended terms become effective will be settled on the previous terms and conditions published at that time.

https://archive.is/qrMMO

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see anywhere that changes to the ToS have been announced on the page. Second, according to this, all bets (and I assume deposits as well) should be subject to the ToS that were valid at the time, not retroactively.

Then we have the changes regarding the use of VPN:

5. The use of a VPN / Proxy or other similar connection / technology is not allowed to hide and manipulate your location. You are not allowed to mask, mislead or manipulate your actual location in your country in order to gain access to the site. It is allowed to use a VPN in certain circumstances, as long as you are in a country that allows online gambling.

archive from 20 Dec 2020: https://archive.is/ZIpZ4#selection-367.0-367.357

5. The use of a VPN / Proxy or other similar connection / technology is not allowed. The usage of a A VPN connection is only allowed if permission is granted individually by Adkinsbet. Therefore, the player should ask permission first.

archive from 12 Jan 2021: https://archive.is/qrMMO#selection-367.0-367.232 (current version)

It is quite obvious that the terms have been tightened to have leverage in this (and similar) cases.

Finally, we have the time and date of the last ToS update:

16. Recent Terms and Conditions update
Terms and conditions last updated: 04 January 2020, 22:52 GMT+2

https://archive.is/qrMMO#selection-1180.0-1180.1

An honest mistake or an attempt at deception?

Besides, realscout has already presented evidence that AdkinsBet had actually granted him permission to use vpn, which they did not dispute.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5309454.msg56126589#msg56126589

[actmyname]

It's a peculiar thing when it comes to ToS changes.
-snip-

Oh, but there's more: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5309454.msg56101203#msg56101203The image damage clause wasn't added until afterwards. Plenty of things were removed or changed which are even more strange.

I'm not a fan of the whole "if it's in ToS then it's OK" attitude that a lot of forum members seem to have. Such a framework lets casinos get away with so much and you have an unbelievable amount of oversight.

[sempak]

It's a peculiar thing when it comes to ToS changes.
-snip-

Oh, but there's more: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5309454.msg56101203#msg56101203The image damage clause wasn't added until afterwards. Plenty of things were removed or changed which are even more strange.

I'm not a fan of the whole "if it's in ToS then it's OK" attitude that a lot of forum members seem to have. Such a framework lets casinos get away with so much and you have an unbelievable amount of oversight.

that is true actually what you write, but many sites are doing this. it is not really justified to blame only adkinsbet for that
regarding the vpn that was stated by fatfork, this was already explained by the site that it was allowed to use vpn on the moment when they had the ddos attack since russia was blocked
after that ddos attack users were able again to login from russia

[actmyname]

that is true actually what you write, but many sites are doing this.

Wars are justified: many countries do this.

Whataboutism is not relevant to the topic as we are discussing Adkinsbet. If you have a problem with another site, take it up with them in another topic. Don't derail this one.Should casinos be allowed to change their ToS whenever they want without telling players or without their permission?