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Hello everyone! I think the time has come to share my story. Adkins tried to come up with 5 (!!!) reasons to not to pay me anything, I honestly tried to solve it with them privately but what they have done in the end has left me no choice.
What happened::
To begin with I firstly was confused about relations of adkins and betb2b which i wrote about in their topic and because of what i was called troll for the first time. People told me something like why u talk try the adkins yourself, so did I. I made 1st deposit of 17.57 mbtc lost all the funds on the 2nd bet and made another deposit of 37 mbtc then placed more bets as you can see here:
https://imgur.com/a/FCrytLl
https://imgur.com/a/Pbth3rz
Pay attention to the 3rd bet on tennis which has won by then after which i had a good streak, we will come back to it later.
So after all these bets I had 178,73 mBTC. Great its time to withdraw to check how fast it is and how reliable the bookie is. Actually I ordered first withdrawal after basketball won and 2nd one after tt combo won as u can see on that screenshot.
I decided to keep in touch with bookie as I always do:
https://imgur.com/a/U5rvxN9
https://imgur.com/a/YnPBixB
Its a bit weird that they started telling me how to cancel withdrawals isnt it? :D But I didnt pay much attention to it then.
https://imgur.com/a/b75P1ls They also said that they cant cancel withdrawals themselves which was lie as well as they did it to me later.
Time goes nothing happens, I write them again and they suggest me to cancel my withdrawals and request them again after they complete the checks (looking ahead their 'checks' havent been completed by 12 of january 2021 and they mentioned it on 5 of december 2020 for the first time). I think its obvious that its nice old trick to delay payments until player loses all his funds same as many other bookies do doing very long verifications etc.
https://imgur.com/a/lJKH5Fu
https://imgur.com/a/tnNGpAT
Of course I stopped betting there as whats the point of betting if u cant receive any payments.
The day after the funny part begins. Its the first reason they tried to accuse me of. Guess what it is? Of course multiaccounting (moreover with the pattern of 1xbet's messages):
https://imgur.com/a/o5XLVrZ
Of course I had nothing to do with multiaccounting so they abandoned this idea fast.
6 days of silence and look what nonsense they send me:
https://imgur.com/a/nhaIkKF
They connected me to group of delay abusers because I stopped betting (WTF?????) (2nd reason). Also their traders are so big 'professionals' that they cant count 2+2 (u will see it later)
Here is my answer:
https://imgur.com/a/qb0lEjV
Well, what to do I began to place more bets. Here is the full list of all bets placed on my account:
https://imgur.com/a/FsuFBAX
https://imgur.com/a/E9dsehx
https://imgur.com/a/yH2zwdE pay attention to this bet its important
https://imgur.com/a/KW3Dgfa
https://imgur.com/a/S5oJKRn
https://imgur.com/a/svfkDq3
https://imgur.com/a/ANAq3yJ
https://imgur.com/a/GrgVP7x
https://imgur.com/a/oqATKX8
https://imgur.com/a/pfZDHLx
https://imgur.com/a/pkc2lBg
https://imgur.com/a/fxw1VuA
I thinks its obvious that I couldnt abuse delay in any of these bets. And what about arbitrage bets when u bet on both sides, tell me would anybody in good mind who does such type of betting place even more than 1 bet before he checked that withdrawal works fine?
After that I texted them again:
https://imgur.com/a/kCDMyR5
And here is the third part begins. Same day I receive this message:
https://imgur.com/a/u0g0mNz
Do I need to say that if it had lost i would have 0 on balance and they say some nonsense about 7mbtc (its about their calculations skills xD), and what a noble gesture that they return me 37 mbtc that I deposited and that cute ":)" smile in the end. But there is one thing: Ive placed bet on home win in the first set and after their 'investigation' my bet was swtiched to away win first set. I have no doubts that they did it on purpose as I had same issue on 1xbet long ago, but 1xbet members were rather smarter as they did it during the match but not 18 days later after the bet had been placed:
https://imgur.com/a/G89t0sM
They didnt even bother to change odds. But luckily I made a screenshot of this bet when I placed it and you also can see it was settled as win on 16th of december when I made screenshots of all my betting history.
https://imgur.com/a/nHoN4jX
The logics of this bet was that Carballes was rather better (odds on him were about 1.07 in pre) but he started losing in the beginning of set and almost did break back in 3rd game so it was a great valuebet on him.
I sent them proofs that I bet on home to win set but not away:
https://imgur.com/a/UciRJQG
https://imgur.com/a/SH0IPou
https://imgur.com/a/jAabAUs
It could be the end of the story with happy end but imo adkins never wanted to send me any funds. Next day my bet was switched back but something was wrong again.
https://imgur.com/a/ZWAv41M
https://imgur.com/a/WwWp92K
https://imgur.com/a/rc5FJiK thats the amount which was supposed to be on my account
Lets wait for a little bit longer:
https://imgur.com/a/EFbGN5V
And here we go with 4th reason not to pay me:
https://imgur.com/a/e3KOxlr
https://imgur.com/a/5NJVVuA
Lol they just voided my first bet not to pay others. Also I deposited 37 mbtc and they say 35.
https://imgur.com/a/StqUYw5
About the broken chain:
https://imgur.com/a/AP07XYb
The Lithunian basketball started at 19:00 so it finished at about 21:00, and I bet on that combo 2 hours later so the chain couldnt be broken and even if the tennis bet was void I shouldnt have been paid only for 2nd bet on that basketball and after basketball finished I had enough funds to continue betting on other matches.
Also u can see that they can edit your balance as they want.
https://www.oddsportal.com/tennis/brazil/campinas-challenger-men/carballes-baena-roberto-ortega-olmedo-roberto-IqsDHeV5/#home-away;12
look at the opening odds, isnt it obvious that with such odds after score 0:3 it should be around 2 for losing side?
Moreover if we check their T&C https://imgur.com/a/b2zTMt3 we can see that deviating odds should be stay intact, and in such case even if odds were wrong they could be maximally calssified as deviating.
But it seems that they dont care
https://imgur.com/a/CdXFxgX
I told them again about broken chain but they ignored it:
https://imgur.com/a/6AAwjqR
Ok what we got now? Only one winning bet for 30.6 mbtc and 67.6 on the balance.
So I order a withdrawal for all my funds left on the first of january (its been 1 month since their 'investigation' started).
On the 2nd of january they all of a sudden ask about my username lol:
https://imgur.com/a/WT1Xuy9
Then silence. And after all investigations and with only 1 winning bet I dont receive my wd even after a week.
https://imgur.com/a/VcAt9bs
Then on 8th of Jan I cancelled my oreder and made a new one then texted to support:
https://imgur.com/a/F5aJQAX
Wtf I have only 1 bet won which they had been investigating since 1st of december lol also I deposited 54 mbtc to their website and ordered only 67 but they still didnt want to pay it
And yesterday I received this message:
https://imgur.com/a/xlUi8Nj
https://imgur.com/a/va31njH
They banned me and confiscated my funds because of post of other person lol!!! Royse knew about my case from the very beginning but I think for men of sense its obvious if I wanted to accuse Adkins I would open scam accusation thread myself so what do I now but wouldnt ask anybody to make a post in other person's thread

Also about their statement that they cant cancel withdrawals:
https://imgur.com/a/BNy5AGa

To sum up what we have:
1. Attemp to accuse in multiaccounting
2. Attempt to connect to some 'group of cheaters'
3. Switching the bet
4. Voiding the bet becaue odds was 'wrong' and false statement about broken chain
5. Banning for other user's post (here it is btw https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5308700.msg56076019#msg56076019)

I think its obvious that adkins just came up with different reasons not to pay me any of funds.

Scammers Profile Link: : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2882335


Amount Scammed: 0.19622 BTC/ 7800 USD
Payment Method: :  deposited payment methods Bitcoin
Proof of Payment: : Royse knows it however if any trusted member wants to see the txID then I can share in private.

Please support my flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2583

I can confirm that I know about this case from the beginning. And I also believe that everything presented here are true per my knowledge.

We were already working on your case to solve it, but you decided to slender Adkinsbet indirectly on the forum. We told you that this is something that can not be accepted.
This is also clearly written in our terms:

In the following conditions, your account may be closed by us, and will be viewed and evaluated individually by case. We reserve the right to suspend your account without notice, which will remain suspended until complete investigation of the matter. Adkinsbet remains the right to confiscate the funds if one of the terms will be violated. You commit to completely comply with all of Adkinsbet 's inquiries into such activities. We may opt to upload or close your account and confiscate the funds if one of the following conditions apply:
If you have more than 1 registered account with Adkinsbet.
If the name registered on your Adkinsbet account does not match the name on the required statement from your address and or ID card. Of course, we take into consideration that all countries have different ways of express names.
If a player causes image damage to the website (Any direct / indirect accusation through any possible communication channel (e.g. forum, Email, telephone or other communication channels). This could include spreading false information, false accusations and intentionally / repeatedly putting Adkinsbet in a negative daylight.

really? but look at the last messages u said that i allegedly forced my friend to accuse u and that u ban me and ingored me afterwards. now u say that u were working on the case. i can delete the post and rename the thread at any time actually. but it doesnt look like u are really doing anything

https://imgur.com/a/SBki1Vn

u havent answered anything since then, like u stopped answering on the broken chain case

"If a player causes image damage to the website (Any direct / indirect accusation through any possible communication channel (e.g. forum, Email, telephone or other communication channels). This could include spreading false information, false accusations and intentionally / repeatedly putting Adkinsbet in a negative daylight."

WTF, hahahaha.

What a shitty site. Pay this man and leave this forum you scammers!

It's a shame because it would have been nice to know about the changes in your Terms and Conditions, especially when you changed them in such a way that lets you put a stranglehold on player funds and behavior. The bolded parts are important and show the avenue that a bad actor would take to exploit the clauses to their advantage.

< The use of a VPN / Proxy or other similar connection / technology is not allowed. The usage of a A VPN connection is only allowed if permission is granted individually by Adkinsbet. Therefore, the player should ask permission first. ^{Note: malicious entity would attempt to check for a VPN connection to deny funds in the event of a 'violation of their terms'.}
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> The use of a VPN / Proxy or other similar connection / technology is not allowed to hide and manipulate your location. You are not allowed to mask, mislead or manipulate your actual location in your country in order to gain access to the site. It is allowed to use a VPN in certain circumstances, as long as you are in a country that allows online gambling.

< In the following conditions, your account may be closed by us, and will be viewed and evaluated individually by case. We reserve the right to suspend your account without notice, which will remain suspended until complete investigation of the matter. Adkinsbet remains the right to confiscate the funds if one of the terms will be violated. You commit to completely comply with all of Adkinsbet 's inquiries into such activities. We may opt to upload or close your account and confiscate the funds if one of the following conditions apply: ^{Note: malicious entity would simply use the confiscation clause to steal player funds.}
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> In the following conditions, your account may be closed by us, and will be viewed and evaluated individually by case. We reserve the right to suspend your account without notice, which will remain suspended until complete investigation of the matter. You commit to completely comply with all of Adkinsbet 's inquiries into such activities. We may opt to upload or close your account if one of the following ap-plies:

< If a player causes image damage to the website (Any direct / indirect accusation through any possible communication channel (e.g. forum, Email, telephone or other communication channels). This could include spreading false information, false accusations and intentionally / repeatedly putting Adkinsbet in a negative daylight. ^{Note: completely new condition}
< If you attempt to open/use your customer account via a Proxy, VPN or similar service that masks identity of your actual location, or otherwise de-livers intentionally false or misleading details about your citizenship, place or residency, or other relevant personal data. If VPN is being used for betting or betting through a third party or on behalf of a third party using the website; or whether you are attempting to take undue advantage of the bets you have made. The usage of a A VPN connection is only allowed if permission is granted individually by Adkinsbet. Therefore, the player should ask permission first.
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> If you attempt to use your customer account via a Proxy, VPN or similar service that masks or manipulates the identity of your actual location, or otherwise de-livers intentionally false or misleading details about your citizenship, place or residency, or other relevant personal data. If VPN is being used for betting or betting through a third party or on behalf of a third party using the website; or whether you are attempting to take undue advantage of the bets you have made. It is therefore critical for what purpose is using a Proxy or VPN. It is also possible that the user only uses this to optimize the connection. However, each user is responsible for the correct use of such connection, and it must comply with the conditions (i.e. do not use it to circumvent a jurisdiction where online gambling is prohibited).

< Each player's withdrawal will be individually reviewed and processed accordingly.
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> Each player's withdrawal will be individually reviewed and processed accordingly. All withdrawals will be processed within 72 hours. ^{Note: malicious entity would use withdrawal delay to exhaust or prevent players from retrieving funds.}

< Terms and conditions last updated: 04 January 2020, 22:52 GMT+2
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> Terms and conditions last updated: 29th October 2020, 13:52 GMT+2

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How many conditions are you going to add to let you retroactively confiscate funds? If it's okay to do something like this, then I might as well run a casino that adds a "there will be must be a 50% reduction in your balance from when you deposit or else this is evidence of money laundering" clause one day. This image damage line is pretty bullshit.

At what point are players going to say, "wait a minute, isn't there too much power for the casino - how do we avoid oversight?"

Should we stop using provably fair verification if the casinos are definitely always trustworthy? Should we trust casinos simply because they claimed their innocence in scam accusation cases with their words?

I see you are very interested in this topic. Are you also so interested in the topic of your employer, sportsbet.io? Everyone knows that bitcasino.io also belongs to the same owner.
Yesterday someone posted an interesting piece about that. So you are now going to attack Adkinsbet while working for the most corrupt casino in the whole forum? You deserve a prize!

This is not about Sportsbet.io, though their terms are also shady as fuck.

Does this "what about Sportsbet.io" deflection have anything to do with AdkinsBet's terrible terms and conditions or are you just here to continue to toss shit in the fire and see what kind of anal sandwich you can mock up? I don't have the time to go through my posts and look at the anti-Sportsbet.io comments I've made but if you have the time to do all this sidebar investigation, then you should take up that opportunity.

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Table the non-AdkinsBet discussion and let's focus on the facts.

The truth is, you only are interesting accusatin and reputation topic from Adkinsbet, trying to give them a bad name. Since you work for Sportsbet.io, it is very relevant. To be sure that Sportsbet.io, together with Bitcasino.io, will now also receive the necessary attention  ;) You can be sure about that.
That is going to be interesting. As for your position at Sportsbet.io, the posts below are definitely posted by you for fun? There are dozens in which you give an update about the field of participants.

https://i.imgur.com/oDvliSw.jpg

I'll give you the archived links to where I sourced the data: they were compiled from Sportsbet.io's public list back when the event was takking place, but my question is what this has to do with AdkinsBet.

Thanks to all the random Sportsbet.io attention, I'm able to quote one of the posts where I admonish their ToS in the exact same way I admonish AdkinsBet's Terms and Conditions, something that is relevant to this thread:

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If the next post is going to be another bad-faith deflection and unrelated to AdkinsBet, then I see no point in continuing the discussion about AdkinsBet as the topic would have shifted to that of useless bickering. I'm okay with that - trolls rarely get banned after all - but it's a question as to how long this charade will be kept up.

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It took me about 5 minutes to take the archive and write "diff adkins_1 adkins_2". What does this have to do with the contents?

Why the hell do u discuss sportsbet.io here? have u read my article? i spent about 4 hours writing it. u asked for evidence about switching bets in other thread and i got the evidende. i also got the evidende that the chain of bets wasnt broken cause next bet was played rather later than previous finished, also evidence for other odd stuff. can u freaking read? or u go insane when u see 'adkins' name?

u accept all of that? and accept the fact that they ban a person and confiscate his money beacause of different person's words, not saying  that it is the dumbest part in t&c at first place.

wake up people! they never paid me even when i had only 13 mbtc profit comparing to my deposit, although they have 0.2-0.9btc limits on any shitty league

u also have impudence to write all that stuff after adkins blatanly played other user's money on no chance to win bet. whats wrong with u?

The ''dogs'' once again changing the direction of the discussion. How predictable that was!

To summarize: Adkins bet accuse you for multiaccounting, then they attempt to connect you with a group of cheaters, then they switced the outcome of your bet, then voiding bet due to wrong odds and finally banned you for joke reason!

People have been warned for Adkinsbet shady practises!

Don't let the dogs fooled you!

So you're saying your terms allow you to confiscate a player's funds if he complains in public about you guys confiscating his funds? I'm pretty sure that's illegal in any most jurisdictions, but also highly shady and unethical.

Flag supported (until this is resolved). The Flag is now active on DT.

How did you get so many users with barely any earned Merit to Oppose your Flag?
Support: LoyceV, Royse777, LFC_Bitcoin, LEVSKI7, spyrosc200, realscout
Opposition: MonsterV, BlackFor3st, ronaldo40, wildan88, sempak, ufaiz50, Cacingkemi, MI6, BitcoinAccepted, Zackgeno96, nasipadang, deadthings, aomakun, BTCGOLD, imutlinda, cutesgirl, codegnome, coin.princess

do u really think that bookie with years of history has any interest to rival with malushit 2.0 which was opened on 17th of november 2020?

You can add my name to those supporting the flag too.

In a nutshell, having terms stating that they can confiscate funds then when a user tries to get those funds AdkinsBet can start an everlasting investigation as an excuse to steal those funds yet when the victim complains about it AdkinsBet effectively say they will steal the already stolen funds under the guise of confiscation as per their terms and conditions.

This is just ridiculous conduct by AdkinsBet

Hi folks, Ray here.

Previous representative apparently messed it up on the forum here, my sincere apologies. Matters related to users Realscout and Oz.Kashi have been misrepresented.
I'm going to work on it right now. As for Oz Kashi: His last bets have been canceled out of goodwill and I hope to update his account soon.
He did not violate the terms on the way that was explained on the forum.
My advice remains to contact directly via Email to avoid misunderstandings.

Our terms and conditions state that an account can be closed if our company is put in a bad light, but of course that does not apply here as these users are experiencing serious problems and have not just started an accusation topic. Hope to be able to provide more information in the short term. The accusation topic is there to write problems. We would only close accounts if people are writing false accusations.

Thanks,
Ray

Nice to meet you Ray. Thank you for the forthcoming approach.

If Oz Kashi had his bets cancelled because of goodwill we all really hope the situation with the OP will be resolved soon.

As soon as that happens those that supported the flags and those that left negative trust will be in a position to reconsider and we can all move forward.

Thank you again Ray for your friendly approach on this matter.

maybe remove that rule on your term(the highlighted part) since a lot of members will absolutely misinterpret that and will think that it is a way of silencing them if they had a bad experience and complained here in the forum. I hope both parties can come to an agreement and resolve the issue.

Closing accounts is entirely at your discretion. If you want to close an account for whatever reason, nobody should tag you for that. However:
This is the part that can make or break a reputation. You shouldn't confiscate funds for anything less than cheating (for instance abusing bugs). And even then, you should be very careful as confiscating funds is a killer for online reputations. If this would ever happen, I like the way Stunna handled this:

I was active or actively observing a few accusations against adkinsbet and I found all the users who opposed the flag to be active there. At least I can recognize all the first four names and they were defending adkinsbet in various accusations directly or indirectly. You can go through their profile and find out if interested.

It doesn't have to be that complicated to reimburse people if their accounts have to be terminated. All they'd have to do is return any balance and winnings that is still in the account. And they have to discuss with each customer via email individually to work out a way to return the money to them, since sending them back to depositing addresses is risky. What if the customer threw it away, or they used multiple deposit addresses?

As stated earlier, there has been a major misunderstanding at the moment between the compliance department and the indirect communication to the forum representative.
There was too much communication between them, which meant that information was not transferred correctly. We are busy with the accounts. The account has NOT been closed because he has violated the terms and conditions through comments on the forum. As mentioned earlier, accounts are only closed when people make false accusations. This user has not made any false accusations,You can dispute about the truth, but the fact is that this user had the right to post his accusation, as he is seeing things from another perspective than we are.
An example in which we would close accounts if there is a user with no transactions or only 5 mBTC, and is posting an accusation that he was scammed for 300 mBTC while there was not any related criteria for this, for example if he would have made a bet with 5 and he would have lost that. Tomorrow I will speak with my colleagues from the compliance and we will revise the terms to make things more clear.
We do apologize for the misunderstandings. I hope to give you an update tomorrow to everybody's satisfaction.

Ray

I do not judge but I have the feeling something is wrong with this user Realscout, upon his posting history. Since Royse777 is close friends with Realscout, I think it is not really reasonable how Royse is talking here.
He is not objective at all. I remember what happened with Betnomi with the users passport!

Post from Realscout, maybe he can explain to us what this supposed to mean?

https://i.imgur.com/s6NgXU2.jpg

Quote:

ToS have been violated after the activity on his 2nd deposit(usage of VPN). We decide to refund the deposit from the 2nd deposit (37 mBTC).
The player has been contacted also on his Email. After this, we consider the case solved.

Why it's obvious that everything you are trying to avoid the bet that was place in the match of Ruberta Carballes - Raberta Ortega (https://imgur.com/a/Pbth3rz) to make it lose or void so that nothing goes further from this bet?


You switched the same bet - reason number 3 for OP.
You voided the same bet because odds were wrong - reason number 4
You then said the chain broken or something since the same bet was voided - extension of reason number 4 from OP

So now we have another claim which is use of VPN and again it just to avoid the bet placed on Ruberta Carballes - Raberta Ortega?

How many more reasons we are expecting that are on the way? I do not think many people will even believe any reference that will come from your system like showing IP or such things because you have already done a lot to believe that you are capable to change your database.

Yesterday there was a guy who caught red-handed (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5309440.msg56114423#msg56114423), and he could avoid it if he would just admit that he wanted to do the scam and apologize that he will never do it again  but instead he gave one after another lie to establish his first lie as a truth. A lie is a lie and a lot of other connections will prove it a lie. It's now obvious that you are doing the same as that user from yesterday.

Who is your provider?
Another question, who do the KYC for you?

That's weird, because the ToS didn't have those absolute anti-VPN rules back then (https://archive.is/ZIpZ4#selection-763.0-763.825). What in the hell are you talking about, Ray?! What ToS violation did he break apart from simply using his VPN? Why are you applying ToS from January 4th onto someone that hasn't played since December?

More importantly: did you tell players that you changed the ToS and have them agree to the new terms?

If you are saying that you made the OP whole again by sending his deposit back but not his winnings then that is something that is something the majority of the community here will not be able to accept as an appropriate outcome. Kindly reconsider.

Maybe the way forward in this case would be to simply send the full winnings to the OP and then enforce your newly updated terms and conditions regarding your VPN policy strictly enough to stop users depositing funds and stop users signing up when VPNs are used therefore you cannot use VPN as an excuse when users want to withdraw.

I hope you reassess the situation, pay the OP what he is owed then we can all move forward.

I find this very interesting to read. If major betting sites such as Fortunejack, Stake and Sportsbet only return the deposit and not the winnings, then everyone agrees to this solution and write that the sites are in their right.
When Adkinsbet opts for this solution, it is suddenly not accepted by the community. Thought DT members were on the forum to give an honest opinion and they could be trusted, but more and more I started to get the feeling these accounts are used now trying to pressure Adkinsbet to force them to pay the full amount. I can not imagine this is the way DT members should act.
The fact that Royse is involved in every Adkinsbet topic is also a very strange thing. His friend has a problem, and Royse is trying to solve this by asking his DT friends to give them a red card and want to pressure them with this.

So what you are trying to say is that realscout is involved in criminal activities and royse777 is being part of this as well?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290408.msg56118071#msg56118071 please stop trolling finally

i havent received any reply since i sent that message. and i didnt use vpn why should i use it if i can open website directly?

could u reread my first post please. i mentioned it there as well. u can just look at the markets i bet on there

and courtsiding is dead nowdays tho

I did not check every AdkinsBET so am not sure what is exactly going on with them and have no idea who is posting in those threads (not a good sign if there are many scam accusations against them) so cannot comment on whether Royse777 is posting in them or not but from what I can recall this is the only one I have posted in.

For your information, there is no DT manipulation going on here. I cannot speak for other DT members but Royse777 has not asked me collude with him in order to pressure AdkinsBET therefore your allegation is disingenuous at the least.




Thank you for your input in to this matter. I think actmyname addressed the issue you raised. Applying terms and conditions to someone who did something long before the updated terms were introduced is just not correct.

Can you explain to everyone on the forum why it is always a great solution for all major bookmakers, that they then pay back the money from the deposit?
Then when Adkinsbet wants to refund the deposit, it will not be accepted all of a sudden.

Here was my reply to the same question from BTCGOLD and it applies to you too.

Thank you for your input in to this matter. I think actmyname addressed the issue you raised. Applying terms and conditions to someone who did something long before the updated terms were introduced is just not correct.

I can no longer see the previous conditions, but if I remember correctly, it was also very clear that you were not allowed to use a VPN to mask your location. Conditions violated, so reason for account closure. What's weird about that? We have seen that example at dozens of sites. The sites are always in the right, except for Adkinsbet, who has to pay for everything and the conditions and the VPN suddenly play no significant role.
I would advise you to think twice before you write something.

I think it is a good step forward by AdkinsBET to return the deposit but now they should consider paying the outstanding (or disputed) funds to the OP too. I do not see it being in any way helpful or of benefit to AdkinsBET to drag this out.

If they have made their final decision which is they will not pay the disputed funds then they should post here stating as far as they are concerned the issue is closed.

Look of it from a different angle, if someone were to make bets and lose them, would it also be OK for sportsbooks to pay back the losses too? It makes as little sense as not paying out winnings.

Money that's not in your account is not yours, so it doesn't matter how much you initially deposited: If you have X amount of bitcoin right now, you are entitled to receive back X bitcoins fully. Doesn't matter if they came from canceled/suspicious/multiaccounting/VPN bets or whatever.

Here are the archives for the Terms and Conditions if anyone is curious.

I outlined the very noticeable differences in this post (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5309454.msg56101203#msg56101203), so I won't do the same thing again.

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Current ToS (https://archive.is/qrMMO)
Previous ToS (https://archive.is/ZIpZ4), snapshotted on December 20th of an October 29 update

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Don't invoke Terms and Conditions that people have not agreed to and don't change them without having people agree to them. That kind of behavior is unacceptable.

Did they typo the date of updated ToS? It stated for current Tos last updated on Jan 4th, 2020. While previous ToS was updated on Oct 29th, 2020

In our ToS was always written that you can not use VPN to manipulate your location. Realscout used VPN to hide his home country, which is not allowed.
Realscout already admitted by himself that he is doing courtsiding, which is simply cheating.
We will release his deposit from 37 mBTC in installments from 5 mBTC weekly.
This will be done to prevent that DT users keep the card active. If DT members could remove their vote on the red card then we will start with the first payment of 5 mBTC.
Thank you.

You saying you will refund his deposit periodically based on DT users removing support the flag is nothing but shameful and you have fallen to a new low.

Perhaps not the most convenient way for Adkinsbet to handle it this way, maybe you are right about that. I think they want to do it this way because Royse is a good friend of the op, and they might not trust it that the card will be removed after they release the deposit. Things what actmyname are saying are completeley ridiculous though. I just checked his trust rating, last ratings are 2/3 years ago. How reliable is this guy?
He already made 2 neutral comments in Adkinsbet profile and 1 negative within just 1 week. Do we have to think he is connected to Royse? I pretty much get the feeling he is.
Nice detail that he is the one who made a Spammers shit list. Maybe he could include himself as well after his spamming attitude on Adkinsbet.

You are right, it was not the most convenient way for AdkinsBET to have handled this, in my opinion they have made this easy-to-sort-out issue in to a public relations disaster.

And there is no conspiracy going on with DT members colluding so please do not try to take this situation down conspiracy lines that do nothing except detract from the core issue.

I think AdkinsBET asking DT members to remove support for flags before victims will receive just a portion of their funds back is a very low thing to do.

I asked the above two questions (let's give them number, 1 and 2) before and no answer from adkinsbet yet.

Now when I read the following (the bold part) :
I add another question.
3. Can you sign a message with a bitcoin address that has a convincing amount of bitcoin to run your gambling business?
For example, once cloudbet or another sportbook was asked to sign a message with bitcoin holding for their business and they were able to sign an address holding 300+ BTC if my memory is correct.

None of your moves were correct so far and this adds another one. To bad for your reputation and business if you still are considering to run the business.

Do yourself a favor and read up on the Trust system. Threats/blackmail/extortion/bribes usually don't turn out very well, and my feedback sure as hell (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5191802.0) isn't for sale.

You are giving them another chance to come up with another excuse. I believe they are not too dumb to think that we are not bunches of fools. They are trying their last bit in my opinion which obviously will not work from my side too.

this is bullshit about vpn. also my connection didnt change between 1st and 2nd deposit. moreover i told them about where i do live before i registered as i wanted to know if im allowed to play from my country

and they come up with vpn reason 47 days after starting their 'security checks'

what ive done before isnt related to case anyhow as such type of betting couldnt be used in bets i placed at adkins. anybody who has eyes can see it as i attached all my betting history to the accusation

lol i found that email and it turned out that u actually gave me permission to use vpn, although if i recall well i didnt use it at all

https://imgur.com/a/DNg1WxW

also there is a question how are u going to pay winnings if somebody bets 1btc on something as your limits allow it if u wanna return 37 mbtc during 6 weeks

https://imgur.com/a/2rkvZ0I am i the only one curios what the next reason not to pay winnings will be?

I have to concur, this seems like a good idea. Does AdkinsBET even have funds to pay out?

Judging by the way things are going in this thread (namely the attitude several users including AdkinsBET representatives have shown), I am not confident about them signing any address to show they are solvent but maybe they will prove me wrong. Other online betting platforms have done this throughout the years so I hope AdkinsBET will follow suit.

Not an expert at this, but IMO, why not resolve all of those accusations about your business, that way it's likely that those red flags to your account will be removed by the DTs who put them if they are convinced. Maybe that way you can build up your reputation again like other crypto casino has done here. The issue will be great to you if it is resolved, you'll regain trust (possibly).
IMO it is best for you to make changes on your ToS, make it more fair on both parties.
Just sayin'.

things work a little differently here. You are not in a position to set conditions and blackmail. You just stimulated me to give you a neg. tag.
if you want to consider removing negative tags and a red flag against you, first you have to go back all the money and to solve all scam accusations against you.

I think Adkinsbet is getting it wrong this way. there are too many accusations now. They don't come out of the blue either. I was a longtime supporter of the site as we only had a few major sportsbook and I liked that a newcomer was joining. now, however, I am starting to have my doubts about it. If they want to save or improve their reputation, they will have to pay the people first.

It certainly seemed like AdkinsBET were trying to set conditions and effectively blackmail users in to submission. I wonder the latest is with the scam allegation, things seem to have gone a bit quiet here now.

OK, I finally catch up with these scam accusation topics. From everything shown so far, it seems to me that something really strange is happening with AdkinsBet. I supported the flag primarily because of the way AdiknsBet is trying to resolve this situation. Blackmail and setting conditions for DT members to remove negative trust to pay off a player is not the way to go.

Somebody just admitted he supports the flag primarily without even reading the content.

Please read my post again. This time with understanding.
As I previously stated, I have carefully read both topics and all the accompanying evidence. My support for the flag is based on my view of the whole situation and I will be very happy to remove the support if it turns out I was wrong.

If you find blackmail acceptable on this forum, that's your problem not mine.

They are new to the forum. So they have to learn how to solve situations the way it is required by the forum. Do you really think they want to solve the situation if everybody is attacking them and pressure them?
They are not trying to blackmail, they just trying to get some insurance that the flag will be removed after they paid the amount from the second deposit.
And asking many DT members to support the flag until the friend of royse777 is paid is not blackmailing of course  ;)

You Opposed the valid Flag (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2882335;dt). Why?
Please read how Trust Flags (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5153344.0) are supposed to be used:

Last month, you left them positive feedback (without Reference link) stating they're very professional. Now you claim they don't even know how the forum works.
https://loyce.club/other/wildan88.png

No. I think they don't want to resolve the situation and they don't want to pay realscout. They have only themselves to thank for the reputation they have now.

The ensurance is part of the Flag system:

It doesn't matter who the victim is. Supporting a valid Flag is correct use of the Trust Flag system. Opposing a valid Flag is wrong. Luckily, you're far from DT:

The AdkinsBET user account last logged in here on 20th January 2021 (3 days ago) so there does not seem to be any real hurry to pay the OP the funds that are being withheld: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2882335

In a short space of time AdkinsBET have had their reputation destroyed and all those posts that are made mentioning DT conspiracy theories are nothing but a smokescreen trying to deflect from the real issue.

From AdkinsBET account that was no longer active 3 days ago, will he try to exit without solving the problem? So I imagine some funds are on hold while they are no longer communicating, I am also afraid of obstacles to others if they are still using the site to bet here.

I think AdkinsBET's trust will not be lost because DT has all marked it so this is not a conspiracy they just made to try to pay off their redtrust confidence in themselves.

Maybe we should start reporting their domain name to namecheap.


In the past, we have reported domains and I think few of them were taken down. Can we try this one too? I will report them with details sometimes today (right now I am in the middle of some personal life issues). Some of you can do the same. Perhaps this will help a lot of innocent users. If the domain is down then there will be no more scam from these scammers from this brand name. I am pretty sure in google they already got some PR which is not good for regular gamblers.

@wildan88, too much game-protect style is bad for you. Maybe you are trying hard to hide yourself but it's not working much.

I would not have linked the two together, after all the latter was not even able to string meaningful sentences together but the former has a legible format even though I disagree with what they wrote.

somebody is getting frustrated here it seems  ;D

At this point, with his last message, Royse777 got emotional and lost his objectivity.

I still want to believe that AdkinsBet is going to do what it takes to resolve this situation with a positive outcome. Shutting down their domain will have an irreversible negative impact on all gamblers who currently have a balance on the platform.

Not sure, but it may be a premature reaction at this point. Maybe a neutral third party mediation would be a more appropriate choice?

Hi folks,

We do not have a special representative on the forum, so until then I will keep an eye on the forum.
My last post was not a demand, it was a proposal. I feel sorry if people thought we wanted to set demands.
Personally I do not have much experience on Bitcointalk forum.
We have spoken with the user realscout and we will refund his last deposit from 37 mBTC.
After this refund, we can move on and close this topic as solved.
We are sorry for the inconvenience that may have arise.

@royse777
You are free to make a complaint with namecheap. We have all the required documents and licenses to run this business.
You can also contact the gaming authorities in Curacao, If you think we are not pursuing the correct policy.

Ray

 

Open your eyes, guys. This reaction from Royse777 is not normal!
An accusation topic is normal, but his comments that he wants to close this site himself indicates that there is a lot more going on here.
Royse has somehow a substantial interest that adkinsbet.com should be closed as soon as possible. The only question is why he wants that so badly. This has nothing to do with the status of a bookmaker anymore.
They way royse is talking is really a disgrace for everybody who is wearing the DT status now, and in my opinion royse777 DT status should be removed immediately.
he is chasing on Adkinsbet from day 1 already. Something suspicious is going on, and it seems Royse wants to do anything to take Adkinsbet down.
Dt members who lost their mind while posting, or are corrupt should be removed from the list.

That is great news, so now I am game-protect suddenly?
And on what information is that based exactly? Where is your proof?

Good to see a response you made directly to me. So can you answer three questions that I have asked you long ago?



So, your game provider, KYC provider and reserve fund.

@realscout: if you can confirm you've been made whole, you can/should withdraw your Flag.

When you solve his case you are more than welcome to solve the others and continue with your business.

Looking for an answer to this question, Ray. What's stopping you from changing the Terms and Conditions page unilaterally at any time to rope in some clauses that let you confiscate funds?

they claim that i used finnish vpn to hide my real location, althought i havent used any, and i always used my real ip it was fisrt in my ip list that they had provided so i didnt hide my location, moreover i dont understand why they dont want to return my first deposit as well, and why they dont want to return funds that i won. also they asked me to send them documents for kyc to (!!!) return half of my deposit.

It's tricky with this VPN rule because the proof from either side (as of now) are merely their statements:

Hard to prove the VPN usage because even mentions of common ipv4 addresses can simply be reduced to claims - it would be easy to take the IP from a known VPN node and claim that it was used.
Hard to disprove the VPN usage since we don't know the exactness of their methods or the validity of their claims - it is difficult to show evidence of lying unless the data was audited independently or sourced from a third party.

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Even discounting the whole ToS change (I still haven't seen any response to my question), it's extremely strange to confiscate a user's funds simply due to VPN usage: is there a problem with keeping your true IP confidential if you are allowed to play and you're providing personal details elsewhere? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Be careful Wildan, he already tagged you that you are an alt account of Game-Protect.
I got an idea, if I will change my posting style and defend projects, then I will be Game Protect as well?
Let's hope Royse will have enough free time, since with thse arguments he can tag about like.. 2000 accounts at least. Game Protect nowadays supposed to have a big army lol

It's a peculiar thing when it comes to ToS changes.

For starters, we have this:

https://archive.is/qrMMO

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see anywhere that changes to the ToS have been announced on the page. Second, according to this, all bets (and I assume deposits as well) should be subject to the ToS that were valid at the time, not retroactively.

Then we have the changes regarding the use of VPN:

archive from 20 Dec 2020: https://archive.is/ZIpZ4#selection-367.0-367.357

archive from 12 Jan 2021: https://archive.is/qrMMO#selection-367.0-367.232 (current version)

It is quite obvious that the terms have been tightened to have leverage in this (and similar) cases.

Finally, we have the time and date of the last ToS update:

https://archive.is/qrMMO#selection-1180.0-1180.1

An honest mistake or an attempt at deception?

Besides, realscout has already presented evidence that AdkinsBet had actually granted him permission to use vpn, which they did not dispute.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5309454.msg56126589#msg56126589

Oh, but there's more: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5309454.msg56101203#msg56101203

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The image damage clause wasn't added until afterwards. Plenty of things were removed or changed which are even more strange.

I'm not a fan of the whole "if it's in ToS then it's OK" attitude that a lot of forum members seem to have. Such a framework lets casinos get away with so much and you have an unbelievable amount of oversight.

that is true actually what you write, but many sites are doing this. it is not really justified to blame only adkinsbet for that
regarding the vpn that was stated by fatfork, this was already explained by the site that it was allowed to use vpn on the moment when they had the ddos attack since russia was blocked
after that ddos attack users were able again to login from russia

Wars are justified: many countries do this.

Whataboutism is not relevant to the topic as we are discussing Adkinsbet. If you have a problem with another site, take it up with them in another topic. Don't derail this one.

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Should casinos be allowed to change their ToS whenever they want without telling players or without their permission?

So all this negative press that AdkinsBET brought upon themselves just for the sake of scamming the OP out of  0.19622 BTC? If they could have their time again I think they would not bother scamming the OP again.

Did AdkinsBET ever sign any address to show they are solvent? Others including Cloudbet signed wallets in the past to prove they had funds.

these rules have no legal value. they write whatever is beneficial to them

how canu know that well if it hasnt been explained anyhow by the team here on the forum. they wrote me this in private. but they havent specified it by the time when they allowed me to use it. i had the permission as it was described in t&c, even if i used vpn connection.

Not quite sure what you want to achieve with your action. You gambled your money, and now you're trying to sue Adkinsbet for not being able to control your gambling. You better just stop gambling if you can't handle gambling, forget it and look ahead in your life. There are many people who gamble with more money than they can afford.

are you serious right now?
They placed those bets. You are just blind to see that because you're paid by them.

people who are addicted to gambling play on all sites, even if they have negative experiences somewhere. when someone wants to gamble a lot, that person can no longer think clearly. I honestly don't understand why a few people make such a drama out of it. you gambled, lost a lot of money and you have to blame your own for gambling it and not the site. just forget about it and move  on with your life
you are only looking for excuses to get he money back that you wasted with betting

I understand his frustration. He has lost a lot of money gambling and now wants to get it back. You can always try to blame the site for placing a bet for you. It remains, of course, inappropriate and unethical to blame the site for your gambling addiction. He should continue focus on the feature. Things like this can really drag you out if you keep thinking about the money that you have lost with gambling.

You gambled all your money and lost it. So who is the clown here actually?

What is the latest with this? How much of your funds have they actually released to you and how much is currently outstanding?



Did they eventually release any of your funds?

The latest with this is that you are also involved in the team of Royse777 and that you are trying to bump this topic you muppet.

OK, just tell me one thing, exactly how many scammers have you exposed and thus helped the community? Or is personal benefit (at all costs) your only goal in this forum?

If I didn't know the meaning of that word, I wouldn't call anyone pathetic.

I think what you write is bullshit. Any casino or gambling site that runs on a license from Curaco is required to comply with the KYC. So stake just as well. In addition, Stake has already had problems with its license a few weeks ago. That was also for a reason. If stake.com was a clean site, they would never got any problems with their license. So I think Stake.com is the one that you have to avoid.

Paid shills will sell their souls and those of their grandma for a signature campaign, so not expect anything constructive from these users....