TRUMP: 'refusing to pay' Rudy Giuliani's legal fees after falling out

[JollyGood]

This story does not surprise me. It was going to happen some day  

Giuliani was a staunch die-hard Trump fanatic but in the end even he got dumped by Trump.

After what happened at the Capitol it seems Trump lost whatever marbles he had and made the mistake of dumping Giuliani when he could have got him to fight his impending legal cases for free when they (sexual harassment litigations) go ahead.


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The Guardian: President said to be offended by personal lawyer’s demand for a reported $20,000 a day

Donald Trump has fallen out with his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and is refusing to pay the former New York mayor’s legal bills, it was reported, with the president feeling abandoned and frustrated during his last days in office.

Giuliani played a key role in Trump’s failed attempts to overturn the results of November’s presidential election through the courts. The lawyer mounted numerous spurious legal challenges, travelling to swing states won by Joe Biden, and spread false claims the vote was rigged.

According to the Washington Post, relations between Trump and Giuliani have dramatically cooled. Trump has instructed his aides not to pay Giuliani’s outstanding fees. The president is reportedly offended by Giuliani’s demand for $20,000 a day – a figure the lawyer denies, but which is apparently in writing. White House officials have even been told not to put through any of Giuliani’s calls.

Commenting on the report, Ken Frydman, who worked as Giuliani’s press secretary in the 1990s, said: “Lay down with dogs. Wake up with fleas and without $20,000 a day”.

The apparent breach with Giuliani – one of Trump’s most loyal and sycophantic supporters – has contributed to the president’s sense of isolation and betrayal, aides have suggested.

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Full story: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/14/trump-refusing-to-pay-rudy-giuliani-legal-fees-after-falling-out

[Gyfts]

If Trump still had his twitter he'd be tweeting at Giuliani like he normally does with anyone after they've left him or his administration. He was a terrible lawyer anyways and I can't imagine how much Trump wasted on him trying to litigate the election results. Perhaps Trump has more money than common sense but he'll never know.

[JollyGood]

Where did it all go wrong for Guiliani? He was so widely admired and respected as once-upon-a-time Mayor of New York but then something went wrong....

Will Trump ever be allowed to have access to Twitter in a personal capacity? Maybe, but for how long before Twitter goodwill might be revoked again?

If Trump still had his twitter he'd be tweeting at Giuliani like he normally does with anyone after they've left him or his administration. He was a terrible lawyer anyways and I can't imagine how much Trump wasted on him trying to litigate the election results. Perhaps Trump has more money than common sense but he'll never know.

[franky1]

anyone shocked? im not

true to trump tactics. get others to do bad things and when i does not work dis-associate himself from them

if anyone is still a trumpette.. stop. he wont pay you for our loyalty

[suchmoon]

Let me try to defend Trump here. Please bear with me, I'm not used to this.

Perhaps Giuliani made promises that he couldn't keep. Maybe he assured Trump that he would win the election fraud cases. Maybe there is even a (verbal) contract to that effect. So Trump could rightfully refuse to pay.

Or he's just stiffing Giuliani like he usually does with people who work for him LOL.

[JollyGood]

Who knows what promises they made to each other. What is clear though is that he was a staunch Trump supporter. Then things soured between them, badly.

Going on from what you wrote, Trump owes an estimated $340 million to Deutsche Bank. One day before the Deutsche Bank loan matured, Trump sued the bank for $3 billion in damages claiming it had helped cause the financial crisis. That is the sort of man he is, may he stiffed many a person and corporation on his way to the top of the business world:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/12/02/trumps-deutsche-bank-loans-appear-to-be-in-trouble/?sh=7d968de21e1f

And what about stealing the inheritance from his niece days after her father died, that is very low: https://globalnews.ca/news/7556377/trump-niece-fraud-lawsuit-dismissal/

Let me try to defend Trump here. Please bear with me, I'm not used to this.

Perhaps Giuliani made promises that he couldn't keep. Maybe he assured Trump that he would win the election fraud cases. Maybe there is even a (verbal) contract to that effect. So Trump could rightfully refuse to pay.

Or he's just stiffing Giuliani like he usually does with people who work for him LOL.

[BADecker]

Donald absolutely shouldn't pay Rudy. Why not? Because the whole thing was a show. And Rudy knew it. In fact, the acting that shows Trump having a disagreement with Giuliani, is all set in place for one purpose... to keep Dems thinking that they won.

Trump hasn't been President in anything other than name, since the first election fraud took place after Trump made his famous September, 2018, Executive Order. At that time, the military stepped in and took over, though most military people didn't know it.

The whole act that Trump is putting on that he lost the election, the fact that something 15,000 troops are within and without the Capitol, simply shows that the military is doing a military coup to restore the Republic that the Dems and Big Tech tried to steal and destroy.

Probably nobody will be installed on Jan. 21. But if Biden is installed, it will be so that he can be apprehended and arrested for election fraud amongst all kinds of other things. On top of that, it might take the military people another couple of months to make all their arrests and install Trump as the President, formally.

There are people high in the millitary who are saying this stuff in guarded ways. Lin Wood is saying it right out in the open. But they wouldn't have to be guarded about it, because the Dems and Big Tech are high so on their apparent power right now, that they would laugh at you and turn away if you ever brought it up to them.


However, if the above stuff is wrong, it will be a comfort to those Patriots who read it, until something better takes its place.

[JollyGood]

Did you ever consider the possibility Trump is a narcissist and that he actually lost the election because the majority of voters preferred Biden instead? That should not be too difficult for anybody to comprehend.

Let us not forget when Hillary Clinton lost the election she never claimed voter fraud, the whole world expected her to beat Trump. If some stern solid Republicans expected Trump to win but he was rejected by voters why claim voter fraud?

Donald absolutely shouldn't pay Rudy. Why not? Because the whole thing was a show. And Rudy knew it. In fact, the acting that shows Trump having a disagreement with Giuliani, is all set in place for one purpose... to keep Dems thinking that they won.

Trump hasn't been President in anything other than name, since the first election fraud took place after Trump made his famous September, 2018, Executive Order. At that time, the military stepped in and took over, though most military people didn't know it.

The whole act that Trump is putting on that he lost the election, the fact that something 15,000 troops are within and without the Capitol, simply shows that the military is doing a military coup to restore the Republic that the Dems and Big Tech tried to steal and destroy.

Probably nobody will be installed on Jan. 21. But if Biden is installed, it will be so that he can be apprehended and arrested for election fraud amongst all kinds of other things. On top of that, it might take the military people another couple of months to make all their arrests and install Trump as the President, formally.

There are people high in the millitary who are saying this stuff in guarded ways. Lin Wood is saying it right out in the open. But they wouldn't have to be guarded about it, because the Dems and Big Tech are high so on their apparent power right now, that they would laugh at you and turn away if you ever brought it up to them.


However, if the above stuff is wrong, it will be a comfort to those Patriots who read it, until something better takes its place.

[BADecker]

Hillary didn't contest the voter fraud for all kinds of reasons. Mainly it was because she knew what kind of trouble she would be in, since she recognized that it was some of the NSA people who got Trump elected at the last minute, using her election fraud tactics better than she did.

Trump absolutely isn't perfect. But he can't begin to hold a black candle to the Biden election fraud team.  Biden might get in. I don't know for a fact what the future holds, just like most of the rest of us. But I guarantee one thing. If Biden gets in, and if you are an ordinary citizen, a couple years down the road you will come as close to praying as you ever do, that there was a mistake, and that Trump will somehow take it back from Biden.

Did you ever consider the possibility Trump is a narcissist and that he actually lost the election because the majority of voters preferred Biden instead? That should not be too difficult for anybody to comprehend.

Let us not forget when Hillary Clinton lost the election she never claimed voter fraud, the whole world expected her to beat Trump. If some stern solid Republicans expected Trump to win but he was rejected by voter why claim voter fraud?

Donald absolutely shouldn't pay Rudy. Why not? Because the whole thing was a show. And Rudy knew it. In fact, the acting that shows Trump having a disagreement with Giuliani, is all set in place for one purpose... to keep Dems thinking that they won.

Trump hasn't been President in anything other than name, since the first election fraud took place after Trump made his famous September, 2018, Executive Order. At that time, the military stepped in and took over, though most military people didn't know it.

The whole act that Trump is putting on that he lost the election, the fact that something 15,000 troops are within and without the Capitol, simply shows that the military is doing a military coup to restore the Republic that the Dems and Big Tech tried to steal and destroy.

Probably nobody will be installed on Jan. 21. But if Biden is installed, it will be so that he can be apprehended and arrested for election fraud amongst all kinds of other things. On top of that, it might take the military people another couple of months to make all their arrests and install Trump as the President, formally.

There are people high in the millitary who are saying this stuff in guarded ways. Lin Wood is saying it right out in the open. But they wouldn't have to be guarded about it, because the Dems and Big Tech are high so on their apparent power right now, that they would laugh at you and turn away if you ever brought it up to them.


However, if the above stuff is wrong, it will be a comfort to those Patriots who read it, until something better takes its place.

[franky1]

Let me try to defend Trump here. Please bear with me, I'm not used to this.

Perhaps Giuliani made promises that he couldn't keep. Maybe he assured Trump that he would win the election fraud cases. Maybe there is even a (verbal) contract to that effect. So Trump could rightfully refuse to pay.

maybe giuliani had a $20k a day contract win or lose.
maybe trump thought it was a 'no win no fee' deal like he sees during fox news commercials

maybe trump should have read the contract first.

personally i dont think giuliana should have been hired in the first place. he is just a puppet for payment. some of his actions should earn him being disbarred.

but trump not paying out..
but trump disassociating from people when things go wrong..
.. well thats says alot more about trump than anything

trump never takes responsibility for HIS actions when they go wrong
trump takes responsibility of OTHERS actions when they go right

over all trumps own actions going right are insignificant in relation to the other 2 things just listed

[Gyfts]

Let me try to defend Trump here. Please bear with me, I'm not used to this.

Perhaps Giuliani made promises that he couldn't keep. Maybe he assured Trump that he would win the election fraud cases. Maybe there is even a (verbal) contract to that effect. So Trump could rightfully refuse to pay.

maybe giuliani had a $20k a day contract win or lose.
maybe trump thought it was a 'no win no fee' deal like he sees during fox news commercials

maybe trump should have read the contract first.

personally i dont think giuliana should have been hired in the first place. he is just a puppet for payment. some of his actions should earn him being disbarred.

but trump not paying out..
but trump disassociating from people when things go wrong..
.. well thats says alot more about trump than anything

trump never takes responsibility for HIS actions when they go wrong
trump takes responsibility of OTHERS actions when they go right

over all trumps own actions going right are insignificant in relation to the other 2 things just listed

Trump was raising money by asking for donations to fund his legal team to “stop the steal”. Sure looks like nothing that Rudy made would have came out of Trump’s pocket directly. It’s easy to spend someone else’s money on frivolous lawsuits filed by a quack lawyer.

[franky1]

Trump was raising money by asking for donations to fund his legal team to “stop the steal”. Sure looks like nothing that Rudy made would have came out of Trump’s pocket directly. It’s easy to spend someone else’s money on frivolous lawsuits filed by a quack lawyer.

trumps been syphoning that money to his golf resorts.
there was $200m for the RNC with $150m going to trump projects and with the amount of golf visits he has reserved and paid for using that money. RNC only got to keep $50m

the fine print of the requests noted that 25% of each contribution goes to the Republican National Committee and the other 75% goes to a political action committee (PAC) launched by Trump in mid-November entitled Save America.

that 'save america' 75%(of $200m last time i look ages back, can go straight into trumps pocket.

couple weeks ago he wanted congress to sign stuff in his favour and get pledges where the republicans had to put forward their side(25%) over to him to cover costs of his 'petitions'

he is just after the money.
while people are distracted by his speaches inbetween golf games they are not looking at his bank accounts filling up
that $150m-$200m is his golden goodbye retirement package
he is not interested in staying in a job for another 4 years. he just wants distractions to have reasons to sidehustle money into his accounts

[BADecker]

Rudy didn't accomplish that which he was contracted for. He was supposed to get a trial where Trump could show the proof of election fraud. He didn't do it, even though it might not have been his fault. But since he didn't do it, why pay him?

Can anybody show us the contract between Trump and Giuliani? Rudy is an attorney, and Trump is smart enough to be one. If Rudy was wronged by Trump, he'll get it out of him, later, in court.

[ChiBitCTy]

Rudy didn't accomplish that which he was contracted for. He was supposed to get a trial where Trump could show the proof of election fraud. He didn't do it, even though it might not have been his fault. But since he didn't do it, why pay him?

Can anybody show us the contract between Trump and Giuliani? Rudy is an attorney, and Trump is smart enough to be one. If Rudy was wronged by Trump, he'll get it out of him, later, in court.

That’s not how lawyers work, at least in the US. Unless it’s like a slam dunk case where a court victory is essentially a guarantee and lawyers are begging you to let them represent  you  ( your employer fired you because of your race, for example) then lawyers don’t work for free. Even if you lose, they still have to be paid and rightfully so.

Trump is famous for not paying his bills, so not surprising if they did have a contract, .  Also, there is no way on earth he could even pass the Bar exam.  Proved that by hiring Rudy, who clearly lost his mind years ago.

[Gyfts]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1350584672129048579

Your boy Rudy Giuliani is back at the White House. Must be a love hate relationship with Trump and Giuliani. Wonder what brings him back? Discussing election lawsuits? Trying to pardon people?

On that note, allegedly some of the capitol rioters are asking Trump for a pardon lmao

[BADecker]

Rudy didn't accomplish that which he was contracted for. He was supposed to get a trial where Trump could show the proof of election fraud. He didn't do it, even though it might not have been his fault. But since he didn't do it, why pay him?

Can anybody show us the contract between Trump and Giuliani? Rudy is an attorney, and Trump is smart enough to be one. If Rudy was wronged by Trump, he'll get it out of him, later, in court.

That’s not how lawyers work, at least in the US. Unless it’s like a slam dunk case where a court victory is essentially a guarantee and lawyers are begging you to let them represent  you  ( your employer fired you because of your race, for example) then lawyers don’t work for free. Even if you lose, they still have to be paid and rightfully so.

Trump is famous for not paying his bills, so not surprising if they did have a contract, .  Also, there is no way on earth he could even pass the Bar exam.  Proved that by hiring Rudy, who clearly lost his mind years ago.

But you really need to see the contract to be sure.