[Boxing] Tyson Fury vs. Anthony Joshua

[OgNasty]

Tyson Fury is such a unique fighter.  Every time he goes into a fight I think he's going to lose badly, but he always wins.  I saw a sports science episode on him I'll never forget.  The guy's ability to react and dodge fights is super human.  Literally, his response time is far greater than most human beings to the point it has allowed him to become an elite fighter in spite of some major flaws.  Given his appearance, I think his gifts catch opponents off guard and allow him to take advantage of their underestimation of him.  I don't think his style is a secret, so you know fighters are training for it, but seeing it in person is another story they can't really train for which is why I think it catches them off guard even when they are expecting it.

[ene1980]

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What's the difference with Judges in the US vs Judges in UK, I'm just curious because I always believe that big fights will always find judges with good reputation and it's just only us who are speculating there's a cheating happening if our fighter will loss.

To see how corrupt judges can be you can watch how Robin Reid was robbed of his victory against Sven Ottke, then you have Timothy Bradley fight when he clearly lost 10 rounds against Manny Pacquiao and yet he was the winner by split decision and there are several other matches.

The simple difference is UK has way less controversial decisions than US and Germany.

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That is because we all love a comeback history about redemption, there was no doubt that he was the best heavyweight champion in the world but those problems outside the ring caught up to him and it seemed as if he will never recover from those problems but then he did and not only he became world champion again but he is still the best and right now there is only one person that can proclaim the opposite and that is Joshua and we are about to see who is right.

Everyone loves a comeback story and Tyson Fury just blown away every imagination on what a perfect come back story should be and other than that the only fighter i remember who came back after a decade of retirement was George Foreman but he turned to religion than drugs and yet was able to win the heavyweight belt in his older days.

[Finestream]

Tyson Fury is such a unique fighter.  Every time he goes into a fight I think he's going to lose badly, but he always wins.  I saw a sports science episode on him I'll never forget.  The guy's ability to react and dodge fights is super human.  Literally, his response time is far greater than most human beings to the point it has allowed him to become an elite fighter in spite of some major flaws.  Given his appearance, I think his gifts catch opponents off guard and allow him to take advantage of their underestimation of him.  I don't think his style is a secret, so you know fighters are training for it, but seeing it in person is another story they can't really train for which is why I think it catches them off guard even when they are expecting it.

Well, no doubt he is good, IMO, the best fighter in heavyweight division before was Deontay Wilder, he had KO wins in most of his fights, there's only one win with no KO which was against "Bermane Stiverne", but after that fight, it was all KO or TKO wins before he lose against Fury.

In the first fight when the fight ended a draw, Wilder knock out Fury and thought the fight was over, but Fury stand up and continue the fight as if nothing happen. The reason why Fury won is simple, he can talk the power of Wilder so he can be aggressive in the fight.

Look at the rematch, Wilder was surprised because Fury has become the aggressive and Wilder was not used to that in any fight since he was always the aggressor.

[Welsh]

Well, no doubt he is good, IMO, the best fighter in heavyweight division before was Deontay Wilder, he had KO wins in most of his fights, there's only one win with no KO which was against "Bermane Stiverne", but after that fight, it was all KO or TKO wins before he lose against Fury.

In the first fight when the fight ended a draw, Wilder knock out Fury and thought the fight was over, but Fury stand up and continue the fight as if nothing happen. The reason why Fury won is simple, he can talk the power of Wilder so he can be aggressive in the fight.

Look at the rematch, Wilder was surprised because Fury has become the aggressive and Wilder was not used to that in any fight since he was always the aggressor.

Deontay Wilder definitely wasn't the best fighter in the division at any point in his career, and not he's looking to hang onto his career. There was a contract setup for a trilogy fight, but it seems that Wilder might have pulled out of that. He came up with excuse after excuse after losing, and the way he threw his coach under the bus didn't sit right with me.

Its true, that hes got dynamite in his hands, but hes not a particularly good boxer. In fact, most of his fights hes actually being outboxed, and sometimes by men who are aging (Ortiz). However, it takes him one punch to turn the lights off, and that's what he continuously did. Although, he didn't particularly fight top fighters. He fought mostly journeymen, and aging once was fighters.

Wilder was exposed in the second fight. The man cannot fight off the back foot, and if you pressure him so much he can't line up for that perfect shot. In fact, you'll see his arms flapping around a lot in that fight, like he doesn't know how to deal with it. Hes used to getting outboxed, his opponent tiring, and then hoping that there's a gap for that perfect knockout.

Fury is the best, and has been for a long time in my book. He doesn't always look good though, but it really depends on who you put in front of him. I've seen him unmotivated to fight, and actually take a bit of a battering, and then I've seen the flipside where hes against a big name, and largely takes them apart. Even in the first fight against Wilder, I had him winning convincingly. He lost the round where he was knocked out of course, but what was brilliant was he got back up, and dominated the rest of the round from a nasty looking knockdown. Wilder was shook from there onwards.

[Kemarit]

Well, no doubt he is good, IMO, the best fighter in heavyweight division before was Deontay Wilder, he had KO wins in most of his fights, there's only one win with no KO which was against "Bermane Stiverne", but after that fight, it was all KO or TKO wins before he lose against Fury.

In the first fight when the fight ended a draw, Wilder knock out Fury and thought the fight was over, but Fury stand up and continue the fight as if nothing happen. The reason why Fury won is simple, he can talk the power of Wilder so he can be aggressive in the fight.

Look at the rematch, Wilder was surprised because Fury has become the aggressive and Wilder was not used to that in any fight since he was always the aggressor.

Deontay Wilder definitely wasn't the best fighter in the division at any point in his career, and not he's looking to hang onto his career. There was a contract setup for a trilogy fight, but it seems that Wilder might have pulled out of that. He came up with excuse after excuse after losing, and the way he threw his coach under the bus didn't sit right with me.

Its true, that hes got dynamite in his hands, but hes not a particularly good boxer. In fact, most of his fights hes actually being outboxed, and sometimes by men who are aging (Ortiz). However, it takes him one punch to turn the lights off, and that's what he continuously did. Although, he didn't particularly fight top fighters. He fought mostly journeymen, and aging once was fighters.

Wilder was exposed in the second fight. The man cannot fight off the back foot, and if you pressure him so much he can't line up for that perfect shot. In fact, you'll see his arms flapping around a lot in that fight, like he doesn't know how to deal with it. Hes used to getting outboxed, his opponent tiring, and then hoping that there's a gap for that perfect knockout.

Fury is the best, and has been for a long time in my book. He doesn't always look good though, but it really depends on who you put in front of him. I've seen him unmotivated to fight, and actually take a bit of a battering, and then I've seen the flipside where hes against a big name, and largely takes them apart. Even in the first fight against Wilder, I had him winning convincingly. He lost the round where he was knocked out of course, but what was brilliant was he got back up, and dominated the rest of the round from a nasty looking knockdown. Wilder was shook from there onwards.

And his previous trainer, Breland, says that Deontay was really untrainable and lazy in the gym and only relies on his power. That's why in his fights with Luis Ortiz he was really expose and Ortiz was hitting him with power punches, but then again he was save with his dynamite hands.

But it was different when he face Fury, as you have said, I also have Fury winning the first and the second was just the exclamation point. And now Wilder will have to deal with his demons as well and probably not going to watch the Fury-Joshua fight.

[Welsh]

And his previous trainer, Breland, says that Deontay was really untrainable and lazy in the gym and only relies on his power. That's why in his fights with Luis Ortiz he was really expose and Ortiz was hitting him with power punches, but then again he was save with his dynamite hands.

But it was different when he face Fury, as you have said, I also have Fury winning the first and the second was just the exclamation point. And now Wilder will have to deal with his demons as well and probably not going to watch the Fury-Joshua fight.

That's his name, Breland. I believe he's considered a well respected trainer, and was totally thrown under the bus by Wilder.

Wilder is a freak puncher. He's got that natural explosive power, and does have some technique to pull it off in the moment. However, hes not a talented boxer. I think I would be inclined to believe Breland in that he's lazy. There's nothing that tells me that Wilder is the type of boxer that spends hours on the gym working on his weaknesses, and instead just focuses on his strengths.

I personally don't think Wilder will be a big name again. The way hes reacted post fight has suggested he's just another name that's going to drift off into history. He took it the completely wrong way, and turned some of his own fans against him due to his petulant excuses. He needed to take it like a man, prepare, and get  back into the ring to prove that he's not so easily put away.

[yazher]

Tyson Fury is such a unique fighter.  Every time he goes into a fight I think he's going to lose badly, but he always wins.  I saw a sports science episode on him I'll never forget.  The guy's ability to react and dodge fights is super human.  Literally, his response time is far greater than most human beings to the point it has allowed him to become an elite fighter in spite of some major flaws.  Given his appearance, I think his gifts catch opponents off guard and allow him to take advantage of their underestimation of him.  I don't think his style is a secret, so you know fighters are training for it, but seeing it in person is another story they can't really train for which is why I think it catches them off guard even when they are expecting it.

Considering his flawless record, his opponent should come out with something that would work to beat him up, or else Fury will demolish him like any other boxers he fought. I also thought that this man was close to retirement but when I say his age, he is not that old. He has some unique skills that his opponent doesn't have and also hard to punch as well. If they gonna fought in the middle east then this fight is pretty big and he should get also consider getting all of the unification heavyweight title after he wins this fight.

[Jating]

Tyson Fury is such a unique fighter.  Every time he goes into a fight I think he's going to lose badly, but he always wins.  I saw a sports science episode on him I'll never forget.  The guy's ability to react and dodge fights is super human.  Literally, his response time is far greater than most human beings to the point it has allowed him to become an elite fighter in spite of some major flaws.  Given his appearance, I think his gifts catch opponents off guard and allow him to take advantage of their underestimation of him.  I don't think his style is a secret, so you know fighters are training for it, but seeing it in person is another story they can't really train for which is why I think it catches them off guard even when they are expecting it.

Considering his flawless record, his opponent should come out with something that would work to beat him up, or else Fury will demolish him like any other boxers he fought. I also thought that this man was close to retirement but when I say his age, he is not that old. He has some unique skills that his opponent doesn't have and also hard to punch as well. If they gonna fought in the middle east then this fight is pretty big and he should get also consider getting all of the unification heavyweight title after he wins this fight.

It's because that Fury is also good in the mental game, destroying his opponents even before the fight start with his trash talking, or more of like a psyche war. So fights can be won without throwing punch. Plus he has a winning attitude as well, he has the talent yes, but he brings it to the next level by training hard every fight regardless of who he is facing.

Unlike Wilder who simply doesn't want to train, according to his coach. And that's why we have fighters like Floyd and Wilder who is still undefeated because talent + attitude equals greatness.

[Yamifoud]

Tyson Fury is such a unique fighter.  Every time he goes into a fight I think he's going to lose badly, but he always wins.  I saw a sports science episode on him I'll never forget.  The guy's ability to react and dodge fights is super human.  Literally, his response time is far greater than most human beings to the point it has allowed him to become an elite fighter in spite of some major flaws.  Given his appearance, I think his gifts catch opponents off guard and allow him to take advantage of their underestimation of him.  I don't think his style is a secret, so you know fighters are training for it, but seeing it in person is another story they can't really train for which is why I think it catches them off guard even when they are expecting it.

Considering his flawless record, his opponent should come out with something that would work to beat him up, or else Fury will demolish him like any other boxers he fought. I also thought that this man was close to retirement but when I say his age, he is not that old. He has some unique skills that his opponent doesn't have and also hard to punch as well. If they gonna fought in the middle east then this fight is pretty big and he should get also consider getting all of the unification heavyweight title after he wins this fight.

It's because that Fury is also good in the mental game, destroying his opponents even before the fight start with his trash talking, or more of like a psyche war. So fights can be won without throwing punch. Plus he has a winning attitude as well, he has the talent yes, but he brings it to the next level by training hard every fight regardless of who he is facing.

Unlike Wilder who simply doesn't want to train, according to his coach. And that's why we have fighters like Floyd and Wilder who is still undefeated because talent + attitude equals greatness.

I don't like the comparison though, honestly, I believe that Fury is even better, he does not run inside the ring unlike Mayweather.
Fury is willing to take bigger risk by engaging in the ring, even the most powerful puncher like Wilder, so I have respect to him than Mayweather.

[btc_angela]

Tyson Fury is such a unique fighter.  Every time he goes into a fight I think he's going to lose badly, but he always wins.  I saw a sports science episode on him I'll never forget.  The guy's ability to react and dodge fights is super human.  Literally, his response time is far greater than most human beings to the point it has allowed him to become an elite fighter in spite of some major flaws.  Given his appearance, I think his gifts catch opponents off guard and allow him to take advantage of their underestimation of him.  I don't think his style is a secret, so you know fighters are training for it, but seeing it in person is another story they can't really train for which is why I think it catches them off guard even when they are expecting it.

Well, no doubt he is good, IMO, the best fighter in heavyweight division before was Deontay Wilder, he had KO wins in most of his fights, there's only one win with no KO which was against "Bermane Stiverne", but after that fight, it was all KO or TKO wins before he lose against Fury.

In the first fight when the fight ended a draw, Wilder knock out Fury and thought the fight was over, but Fury stand up and continue the fight as if nothing happen. The reason why Fury won is simple, he can talk the power of Wilder so he can be aggressive in the fight.

Look at the rematch, Wilder was surprised because Fury has become the aggressive and Wilder was not used to that in any fight since he was always the aggressor.

He is facing all B-level fighters that's why he is winning and I would say that the Heavyweight division is not that deep as well. So when it's time to face Fury, which is the best Heavyweight prior to his self retirement due to personal issues, we have seen a different result.

Even in the first fight, Fury was the aggressor, that's why he was ahead on the judges scorecard. Unfortunately, he can hit in the 12th, but was able to get off the canvass and the decision was a draw. If not for the knock down, Fury could have won he first fight already. So it was the same result in the rematch and Fury proved that he is indeed the greatest Heavyweight in this era.

[BChydro]

Wilder is a freak puncher. He's got that natural explosive power, and does have some technique to pull it off in the moment. However, hes not a talented boxer. I think I would be inclined to believe Breland in that he's lazy. There's nothing that tells me that Wilder is the type of boxer that spends hours on the gym working on his weaknesses, and instead just focuses on his strengths.

Wilder is a natural power puncher even though he is not having the technical skills and he is a counter puncher and even though he looses the rounds he would find a spot to land his heavy punch and Tyson Fury was the only fighter that negotiated his counter punching prowess and it is not that easy for Wilder to change his game plan late in his career.

I personally don't think Wilder will be a big name again. The way hes reacted post fight has suggested he's just another name that's going to drift off into history. He took it the completely wrong way, and turned some of his own fans against him due to his petulant excuses. He needed to take it like a man, prepare, and get  back into the ring to prove that he's not so easily put away.

The only fight Wilder can do is to build his confidence fighting some journey man and it is difficult for him to get big fights until Anthony Joshua wants to add his name in his resume and that could happen if Wilder could add some wins.

[Jackl87]

I am still skeptical if a fight between those two happen until the contracts are officially signed. Joshua has avoided dangerous fighters so far as beste as he could.
You must give Wilder credit that he fought fury. If the fight Joshua vs. Fury really happens i think that joshua only has a chance to win if he knocks fury out, because fury is so good at avoiding punches and dancing around that he will probably land more punches overall.

[Natalim]

I am still skeptical if a fight between those two happen until the contracts are officially signed. Joshua has avoided dangerous fighters so far as beste as he could.
You must give Wilder credit that he fought fury. If the fight Joshua vs. Fury really happens i think that joshua only has a chance to win if he knocks fury out, because fury is so good at avoiding punches and dancing around that he will probably land more punches overall.

Fury moves a lot in the ring, good  in counter punching and he can take punches, that's how difficult to beat him, however, AJ here is also a champion, so he always have a chance. In the early betting lines, AJ knows that he is the underdog, I hope that will encourage  him to train harder as this is the biggest fight of his life as a boxer.

[AliMan]

I am still skeptical if a fight between those two happen until the contracts are officially signed. Joshua has avoided dangerous fighters so far as beste as he could.
You must give Wilder credit that he fought fury. If the fight Joshua vs. Fury really happens i think that joshua only has a chance to win if he knocks fury out, because fury is so good at avoiding punches and dancing around that he will probably land more punches overall.

Fury moves a lot in the ring, good  in counter punching and he can take punches, that's how difficult to beat him, however, AJ here is also a champion, so he always have a chance. In the early betting lines, AJ knows that he is the underdog, I hope that will encourage  him to train harder as this is the biggest fight of his life as a boxer.

They're both compatible to fight with each other, so that their best opportunity to match soon as long as both camp will negotiate for the upcoming fight well. Chances on both teams would be great and preparations for fight might be tough and expectations would highly possible for hype, which everyone loved to hear then also betting relied on this scenario as people choose which of the two is worthy for their choice.

[Kemarit]

I am still skeptical if a fight between those two happen until the contracts are officially signed. Joshua has avoided dangerous fighters so far as beste as he could.
You must give Wilder credit that he fought fury. If the fight Joshua vs. Fury really happens i think that joshua only has a chance to win if he knocks fury out, because fury is so good at avoiding punches and dancing around that he will probably land more punches overall.

They have verbally agreed to fight, so even though the contract is not yet sign, but there are reports that in just a matter of days it will be officially announce.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/14005817/anthony-joshua-tyson-fury-contract-eddie-hearn/

I don't understand you saying that Joshua has avoided dangerous fighters in the past. He has fought a decent fighters including Wladimir Klitschko. Besides the Heavyweight division is not that deep.

[Jackl87]

I don't understand you saying that Joshua has avoided dangerous fighters in the past. He has fought a decent fighters including Wladimir Klitschko. Besides the Heavyweight division is not that deep.

It's true he fought klitschko, but i think he tought that klitschko wasn't that dangerous anymore because he already was 41 years old at that time and had no fight for 2 years and he almost got knocked out by klitschko.
Don't get me wrong, i think it's pretty smart to pick your opponents carefully to make "easy" money and stay champ. Joshua is still only 31 years old and can still fight for 10 years, so it would be stupid if he had picked the hardest opponents in the beginning of his career.

[Jating]

Tyson Fury is such a unique fighter.  Every time he goes into a fight I think he's going to lose badly, but he always wins.  I saw a sports science episode on him I'll never forget.  The guy's ability to react and dodge fights is super human.  Literally, his response time is far greater than most human beings to the point it has allowed him to become an elite fighter in spite of some major flaws.  Given his appearance, I think his gifts catch opponents off guard and allow him to take advantage of their underestimation of him.  I don't think his style is a secret, so you know fighters are training for it, but seeing it in person is another story they can't really train for which is why I think it catches them off guard even when they are expecting it.

Considering his flawless record, his opponent should come out with something that would work to beat him up, or else Fury will demolish him like any other boxers he fought. I also thought that this man was close to retirement but when I say his age, he is not that old. He has some unique skills that his opponent doesn't have and also hard to punch as well. If they gonna fought in the middle east then this fight is pretty big and he should get also consider getting all of the unification heavyweight title after he wins this fight.

It's because that Fury is also good in the mental game, destroying his opponents even before the fight start with his trash talking, or more of like a psyche war. So fights can be won without throwing punch. Plus he has a winning attitude as well, he has the talent yes, but he brings it to the next level by training hard every fight regardless of who he is facing.

Unlike Wilder who simply doesn't want to train, according to his coach. And that's why we have fighters like Floyd and Wilder who is still undefeated because talent + attitude equals greatness.

I don't like the comparison though, honestly, I believe that Fury is even better, he does not run inside the ring unlike Mayweather.
Fury is willing to take bigger risk by engaging in the ring, even the most powerful puncher like Wilder, so I have respect to him than Mayweather.

I'm comparing their records, both are undefeated, maybe I was no clear about that.

And as much as we hate Floyd Mayweather, he has the talent and the attitude to be great that when he retires he 49-0 or 50-0. That's why there is still a debate even here in the community about Floyd's road to greatness because he doesn't engage by play defense which he is good at. Not defending Floyd, but the comparison is base on their individual record and their approach towards the sports in terms of training and attitude.

[mirakal]

Mayweather thought he was better than Muhammad Ali, can you believe that?

Floyd Mayweather Jr. Explains Why He's Better Than Muhammad Ali

That's why he does not get a respect from great boxers and some fans.

[hulla]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5309797.160

I am still skeptical if a fight between those two happen until the contracts are officially signed. Joshua has avoided dangerous fighters so far as beste as he could.
You must give Wilder credit that he fought fury. If the fight Joshua vs. Fury really happens i think that joshua only has a chance to win if he knocks fury out, because fury is so good at avoiding punches and dancing around that he will probably land more punches overall.

They have verbally agreed to fight, so even though the contract is not yet sign, but there are reports that in just a matter of days it will be officially announce.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/14005817/anthony-joshua-tyson-fury-contract-eddie-hearn/

I don't understand you saying that Joshua has avoided dangerous fighters in the past. He has fought a decent fighters including Wladimir Klitschko. Besides the Heavyweight division is not that deep.

I guess some fans which believe they are a follower of Fury don't do some background check on Joshua previous fight, I never for once sees him run from a fight and speaking of the Wladimir Klitschko, Wladimir predicted the fight in a USB flash if anyone watches the face-off and talking between them then.

Tyson Fury is such a unique fighter.  Every time he goes into a fight I think he's going to lose badly, but he always wins.  I saw a sports science episode on him I'll never forget.  The guy's ability to react and dodge fights is super human.  Literally, his response time is far greater than most human beings to the point it has allowed him to become an elite fighter in spite of some major flaws.  Given his appearance, I think his gifts catch opponents off guard and allow him to take advantage of their underestimation of him.  I don't think his style is a secret, so you know fighters are training for it, but seeing it in person is another story they can't really train for which is why I think it catches them off guard even when they are expecting it.

Considering his flawless record, his opponent should come out with something that would work to beat him up, or else Fury will demolish him like any other boxers he fought. I also thought that this man was close to retirement but when I say his age, he is not that old. He has some unique skills that his opponent doesn't have and also hard to punch as well. If they gonna fought in the middle east then this fight is pretty big and he should get also consider getting all of the unification heavyweight title after he wins this fight.

It's because that Fury is also good in the mental game, destroying his opponents even before the fight start with his trash talking, or more of like a psyche war. So fights can be won without throwing punch. Plus he has a winning attitude as well, he has the talent yes, but he brings it to the next level by training hard every fight regardless of who he is facing.

Unlike Wilder who simply doesn't want to train, according to his coach. And that's why we have fighters like Floyd and Wilder who is still undefeated because talent + attitude equals greatness.

I don't like the comparison though, honestly, I believe that Fury is even better, he does not run inside the ring unlike Mayweather.
Fury is willing to take bigger risk by engaging in the ring, even the most powerful puncher like Wilder, so I have respect to him than Mayweather.

@Jating, that's why we have fighters like Floyd and Wilder who is still undefeated because talent + attitude equals greatness.?
For the record, Wilder was defeated in his last fight against Fury.
@Yamifoud, Like you, said about the comparison. Fury has the height and body which cant be compared with Mayweather's physical appearance. However, each fighter has their own way of studying the opponent's move and fight.

Mayweather thought he was better than Muhammad Ali, can you believe that?

Floyd Mayweather Jr. Explains Why He's Better Than Muhammad Ali

That's why he does not get a respect from great boxers and some fans.

He can't be serious about his proclaim because Muhammad Ali usually went for the tough opponents and came on top which is the reason why he said "I must be the greatest". Besides, he never fought for the sake of the money involved but for the love and the fans of the sport. Why would Mr Money matter the most (Mayweather) said he's better than Muhammad Ali?
Guys help out here.

[Questat]

Mayweather thought he was better than Muhammad Ali, can you believe that?

Floyd Mayweather Jr. Explains Why He's Better Than Muhammad Ali

That's why he does not get a respect from great boxers and some fans.

He can't be serious about his proclaim because Muhammad Ali usually went for the tough opponents and came on top which is the reason why he said "I must be the greatest". Besides, he never fought for the sake of the money involved but for the love and the fans of the sport. Why would Mr Money matter the most (Mayweather) said he's better than Muhammad Ali?
Guys help out here.

I can't imagine if Mayweather's picture will be put during the introduction of big events in boxing.

We have Muhammad Ali's picture like this,



What do you think will be Floyd's picture?

I still can't forget this one, guy has no sportsmanship.