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January 23, 2021, 06:51:53 AM
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In my country during the year 2016, 8th November the government announced currencies with highest denomination like 1000₹ and 500₹ won't be valued anymore. People are supposed to reach the banks and exchange it to any other denomination. In the event of this people suffered much, because there is no money to spend and banks were full of crowd. More than 100 lost their live standing in queue.

Whats the reason for such an immediate decision ?
The government stated it a reason to fight illegal funding to terrorism and recove the black money.

If there is validity or expiry for every currency same as day to day life needs, then people will make use of it and exchange to new currencies at the right time. This way everything can be made to be in circulation rather than getting accumulated for years. Here black money can also be avoided.

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January 23, 2021, 07:09:37 AM
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Nah,the criminals will just exchange the currency that has an expiry date into foreign currencies that don't have expiry date(or other financial assets).It's that simple...
I was thinking about such idea years ago.Such currency will boost the consumption and lower the money savings,but the people will just prefer to buy real estate and other financial assets,instead of keeping their money.At the end of the day,this seems like a pointless idea to me.


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January 23, 2021, 07:18:26 AM
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Nah,the criminals will just exchange the currency that has an expiry date into foreign currencies that don't have expiry date(or other financial assets).It's that simple...
I was thinking about such idea years ago.Such currency will boost the consumption and lower the money savings,but the people will just prefer to buy real estate and other financial assets,instead of keeping their money.At the end of the day,this seems like a pointless idea to me.
I don't think that it is the criminals that are the reason for removing some denominations too, maybe the problem is the cost of printing those amount seems to be a problem economically. I don't think that it is an expiration, it is more like phasing out. Putting expiration on currency value will not be a good strategy for long term prosperity in a country, economy needs to inflate for it to grow.

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January 23, 2021, 07:58:46 AM
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A bill with an expiration date does not become worthless suddenly. Clearly its value would decrease over time until, just before the expiration date, it was next to worthless. Think about it: how much would you pay for a $1 bill that expires in 5 minutes? Certainly a lot less than you would for one that expires in 6 months.
This constantly changing value would make it hard to use as a medium of exchange. Whenever buying or selling something, one would have to look not just at the face value of the bill, but also at the expiration date, to be able to calculate its real value. People would probably start carrying calculators next to their wallets.
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January 23, 2021, 08:03:11 AM
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It makes no sense for a currency to have an expiration date, any unit of a currency has to always be fungible and have the same value (1X=1X) forever. What governments have done (changing the bill, removing zeros from their currency, etc.) are very rare and special cases that need the special action that was taken. It is a one time thing too, where people are forced to swap their old bills with new bills.

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January 23, 2021, 08:10:02 AM
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Was the money or currency denomination created because of criminals or was it created to suit the economy of the country. Even with that implementation, the criminals will still go to the bank, and exchange the money thus I don't see the government wining in that aspect, but however I think it has to do with operational and manufacturing costs. Now, bringing this idea to the crypto space, it can't work that way because the team might end up lossing, let's say a certain team implements it and you own such token, you can easily exchange it to another crypto like Bitcoin so when it expires what will the team do? Mint another? Bear in mind that, black money can also be used to buy valuable assets, so the idea isn't looking for a way to stop or avoid black money but to make a crypto valuable that it can be used to purchase goods and services.

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January 23, 2021, 08:19:17 AM
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It makes no sense for a currency to have an expiration date, any unit of a currency has to always be fungible and have the same value (1X=1X) forever. What governments have done (changing the bill, removing zeros from their currency, etc.) are very rare and special cases that need the special action that was taken. It is a one time thing too, where people are forced to swap their old bills with new bills.
I actually see this is similar to the occurrence of inflation where the currency does not have a high value to the economy anymore.

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January 23, 2021, 08:32:22 AM
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Then HODL would be meaningless when crypto havr an expiry date.
And those who would forget to change their crypto would loss a lot because of it those who doesn't check their wallet from time to time could lose their investment.
It would affect the crypto too much I think people would try to avoid it or some who are already in crypto would just quit.

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January 23, 2021, 09:20:03 AM
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It makes no sense for a currency to have an expiration date, any unit of a currency has to always be fungible and have the same value (1X=1X) forever. What governments have done (changing the bill, removing zeros from their currency, etc.) are very rare and special cases that need the special action that was taken. It is a one time thing too, where people are forced to swap their old bills with new bills.
Thats true, people are forced to swap old bills with the new ones. Why can't the government do the swapping at regular time interval providing an expiry. The government stated the swapping of old currency with the new ones as a reason to find all the black money. Even after such a swap the government failed to get back the black money into circulation.

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January 23, 2021, 09:47:08 AM
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In my country during the year 2016, 8th November the government announced currencies with highest denomination like 1000₹ and 500₹ won't be valued anymore. People are supposed to reach the banks and exchange it to any other denomination. In the event of this people suffered much, because there is no money to spend and banks were full of crowd. More than 100 lost their live standing in queue.

Whats the reason for such an immediate decision ?
The government stated it a reason to fight illegal funding to terrorism and recove the black money.

If there is validity or expiry for every currency same as day to day life needs, then people will make use of it and exchange to new currencies at the right time. This way everything can be made to be in circulation rather than getting accumulated for years. Here black money can also be avoided.

I believe even if you place those parameters it still won't stop terrorist group or those person or organization assisting them because they would surely find a way to bypass the expiration and validation if it is implemented and will find loopholes and exploits to continue their assistance. There would surely be some backer behind that can manipulate those parameters which can bypass the policy.



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Isn't that gonna require centralized institution though. I mean, if we're using cryptocurrency which is supposed to be decentralized that kind of defeats the point. Also, giving expiration like that have no proof of countering illegal funding of terrorism, we don't even know whether it really works.

Moreover, cryptocurrency market is really competitive. Once the user get burdened by the complicated process they simply moving on to other cryptocurrency.

Maybe gonna work if it's paper money issued by government, however the more it gets complicated the more people hesitant to use the money.

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If I am right.... you live in India?

I know they did that to flush out the money launderers and the people who stashed away millions acquired through illegal activities. So how it works is this.... if you have millions in large fiat currencies stored away to be slowly laundered back into the economy... you are now fcked, because your hand is forced to exchange those old large notes for the new currency ...and once you do that, the Banks can link you with large amounts of cash. (The government can then hunt you down for the taxes and they will ask you to explain it)

Let's say you robbed a Bank and you have millions hidden in some place in $100 notes, then you are forced to exchange it and that is where you will get flagged. If you do not do that, then the money is worthless in the future.  Wink

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January 23, 2021, 11:26:09 AM
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Removing denominations might not only be because of criminals, also it might be to remove them circulation so that new ones can flow into the system. If currency carries Expiry Date, it will cause havoc and waste of resources.
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January 23, 2021, 11:42:30 AM
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Yea, that happened in India I have remembered when I was abroad and my Indians colleague had been talking about it. Of course, they were blaming the current president of India because they held a few notes which were necessary to exchange. I don't know if such a decision is right or wrong, but those who have been earning legally shouldn't fall into a problem. Because they have earning sources and they are paying tax, so any amount they could exchange. But who have black money, problems for them. In this angle, the government took the right decision due prevent corruption. Although it was quite a hassle for the general citizen, but criminals were thrown their black money somewhere else. But don't worry, it wouldn't happen to cryptocurrency.

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January 23, 2021, 11:54:09 AM
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Whats the reason for such an immediate decision ?
The government stated it a reason to fight illegal funding to terrorism and recove the black money.

If there is validity or expiry for every currency same as day to day life needs, then people will make use of it and exchange to new currencies at the right time. This way everything can be made to be in circulation rather than getting accumulated for years. Here black money can also be avoided.

Putting an expiry date in currency notes will not be of too much help in to hold back the black money as the cash (currency notes) which is obtained by any person without declaring it to government is usually converted into other form by investing it in gold, precious stones, real estate, foreign currency, foreign investment and etc.
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January 23, 2021, 01:51:08 PM
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In my country during the year 2016, 8th November the government announced currencies with highest denomination like 1000₹ and 500₹ won't be valued anymore. People are supposed to reach the banks and exchange it to any other denomination. In the event of this people suffered much, because there is no money to spend and banks were full of crowd. More than 100 lost their live standing in queue.

Whats the reason for such an immediate decision ?
The government stated it a reason to fight illegal funding to terrorism and recove the black money.

If there is validity or expiry for every currency same as day to day life needs, then people will make use of it and exchange to new currencies at the right time. This way everything can be made to be in circulation rather than getting accumulated for years. Here black money can also be avoided.

I remember that time actually, it really wasn't that long ago. The way it was just suddenly announced overnight also was quite reckless from the government. I understood it completely, because money launderers and black market illicit activities all keep their stash in thousands of these bills so the government wanted to smoke them out with no grace period. But poor people suffered in the end.

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January 23, 2021, 02:09:39 PM
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I understood it completely, because money launderers and black market illicit activities all keep their stash in thousands of these bills so the government wanted to smoke them out with no grace period.

But the reality was ,they knew before hand and all of them used some government employees only to change their black money to white.
The usage of illegal ways to convert the currency and absolutely NO PLANNING lead it as a complete failure.

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January 23, 2021, 02:30:28 PM
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Didn't heared such action in our country though there are some instances that old printed bills exchange to a new one especially if a new admin is seated but I guess this is common to any country as well, but not for such reason like op.

Whats the reason for such an immediate decision ?
The government stated it a reason to fight illegal funding to terrorism and recove the black money.
That won't prevent the use of black money and not too much help either imo, cash money can be obtained by anyone even without declaring it to the authority so it will be transferred person to person and that would be a pain in the ass to identify such money as black money so it makes no sense.

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January 23, 2021, 10:26:06 PM
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That is a bad way to go about removing certain denomination from the system. Your government deliberately do that and I do not think this will happen in advanced country because they will not put their citizen in such a horrible scenario. I could remember vividly when my country want to change from normal paper currency to polymer currency, they give lengthy period of time to do that and this is to prevent some of the challenges you have mentioned below. I do not see reason why a legal tender should have expiry date unless there is a need to change the quality of the currency. remember a lot is also spend to produce this currencies
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January 23, 2021, 10:38:11 PM
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Nope and nope. Such currency will not solve any of the mentioned problems but will create new ones. Why should I choose to invest my money in anything that I can lose if I forget the expiry date when there are so many 'normal' options??
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