How long until we are all forced jabbed with the vax?

[Pizzalover420]

I give it by 2022.

You won`t be able to travel without your covid pass.
You won`t be able to shop without your covid pass.

The governments are planning on using their military's to dish out the vaccines.
Trump said it himself.

https://youtu.be/6ot2FFc_Qq4?t=54

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[franky1]

no one will turn up at your door with an armed guard demanding that you are jabbed.

what will happen is if you want to travel. then you need to follow the private businesses policies they set.
so i see them having two policies
1. prove you vaccinated in last 6-12months or prove you virus negative in last 1-3 days. no issues
2. no proof. then wear a mask on the plane and have potential request to quarantine for 14 days on your arrival

businesses wont want to turn away customers. so they wont force vaccinations. they would just tailor their services

same with retailers. wear a mask. if you dont and spotted in a store without one. have your excuse for not needing one ready(medically exempt from wearing a mask)

..
one thing id like to see when i decide to go travelling again.. all the seats in coach/economy. have half the rows removed. thus allowing more space for social distancing.. (well more leg room atleast )
and new air filters in the air conditioning systems(less feet sweat smells in the air atleast )

[Cnut237]

You won`t be able to travel without your covid pass.
You won`t be able to shop without your covid pass.

Obviously this will vary country by country (and likely also within countries), with some stricter than others. But if the vaccine prevents transmission as well as infection, then it does make perfect sense to have restrictions for unvaccinated people, who could be carriers and be infecting others. Particularly if the people without the Covid pass are those who have actively refused the vaccine, and are disproportionately likely to not wear masks or conform to social distancing measures.

[franky1]

You won`t be able to travel without your covid pass.
You won`t be able to shop without your covid pass.

Obviously this will vary country by country (and likely also within countries), with some stricter than others. But if the vaccine prevents transmission as well as infection, then it does make perfect sense to have restrictions for unvaccinated people, who could be carriers and be infecting others. Particularly if the people without the Covid pass are those who have actively refused the vaccine, and are disproportionately likely to not wear masks or conform to social distancing measures.

first thing. those getting a vaccine are not put on any special passport database. so forward looking its not going to be a thing.(sorry to burst conspiracy bubble)

those that want to get on a plane have to have a PRIVATE paid covid test. within 72 hours and done by a certified lab that does database the info and send it to airlines.

so here is how i see other options airlines can try.
those vaccinated/covid tested. if they could provide proof of covid-free they can enjoy business class.. no mask no fuss. and they get a complimentary glass of alcohol.,, getting the real normal airline experience

those who want to be a-holes and dont want to prove they are covid free will be asked/provided with a mask at the gate there ticket will be business class priced. but not given alcohol and have to sit in economy(spaced out seating hense higher seat cost).
if they take off the mask or create fuss. they will be treated like drunks are treated. and once off the plane they will be fined and possibly put into custody for 14 days. possibly not be able to fly on that same airline again

in short all an airline has to do
raise all seat costs to business class costs.. space out economy class. and put people that dont want to follow covid guidelines in the economy seats without the benefits of business class features

[Gyfts]

There's already been discussions from some California schools that I've been reading about which essentially say that your child must be vaccinated in order for them to return to school -- remember, the Moderna/Pfizer vaccine has not gone through clinical trials for children, the median age was in the 50's for a participant of the clinical trial. And you can be fired from your job if you refuse to get the vaccine. So yes, we are down the road of forced vaccines.

[Jet Cash]

Being vaccinated reduces natural immunity, and doesn't guarantee protection from the new variants. If we are to be given a virus passport, it should be based on a test for immunity, and not on the hope that an artificial virus infection will give immunity.

[Cnut237]

Being vaccinated reduces natural immunity, and doesn't guarantee protection from the new variants. If we are to be given a virus passport, it should be based on a test for immunity, and not on the hope that an artificial virus infection will give immunity.

The potential routes to immunity are a) get vaccinated, or b) contract the virus.

Obviously vaccination is not 100% effective, and will not safeguard against all future variants. But if virus mutation is sufficient to render current vaccines irrelevant, then the vaccines will be modified accordingly - modification being in general a simple, quick process, and not really comparable to the process of deriving a new vaccine from scratch. Take the annual updating of the flu vaccine as an example here.

Vaccination or infection are the routes to immunity. Take your pick as to which is preferable.

[BADecker]

By the time mandatory vaccination gets here, the courts will already have ruled against them.


New Mexico: First Court Case Against Mandatory Vaccination

In this interview, which was initially banned by YouTube before it was even published (but now reversed), Spiro is joined by Attorney Ana Garner of New Mexico. Garner represents her client Isaac Legaretta, an officer at the Doña Ana County Detention Center and a military veteran, who is suing the county over its new policy for first responders to receive the COVID-19 vaccinations or face termination.

Attorney Garner explains the significance of this case and what is at stake, as it is the first of its kind and may set a new standard for legal precedent regarding mandatory vaccination. Garner says she is prepared to take this case to the Supreme Court if necessary.

Spiro and Ana Garner also discuss another case of hers that is ongoing currently. A case that challenges not only the Governor of New Mexico, but the emergency itself.

[ammodotcom]

There's already been discussions from some California schools that I've been reading about which essentially say that your child must be vaccinated in order for them to return to school -- remember, the Moderna/Pfizer vaccine has not gone through clinical trials for children, the median age was in the 50's for a participant of the clinical trial. And you can be fired from your job if you refuse to get the vaccine. So yes, we are down the road of forced vaccines.

Kind of makes you wonder if all the news stories about anti-vaxxers leading up to 2020 were part of a preemptive campaign to discredit their arguments.

[yhiaali3]

Vaccination against Corona virus has become a necessity to protect society, I do not think that they will impose vaccination on you when entering the restaurant or store, but they will certainly impose that on you when traveling, I do not find this disturbing in order to protect you personally and protect others as well.
With the large spread of the virus and the inability of the world's governments to eliminate the virus, more effective measures must be made to limit the spread of the virus, and vaccination is one of the most important of these means.

[Mauser]

I give it by 2022.

You won`t be able to travel without your covid pass.
You won`t be able to shop without your covid pass.

The governments are planning on using their military's to dish out the vaccines.
Trump said it himself.

https://youtu.be/6ot2FFc_Qq4?t=54

This is very likely, but not in 2022 in my opinion. A covid pass could come if the mutations continue. But at the current rate it will take a long time until they have vaccines for everybody. AstraZeneca vaccine was stopped again for people under 60 years of age. If they manage to get more working vaccines maybe, but I don't see it happening with 1 or 2 years, there are so many people in this world.

[jrrsparkles]

Even at the end of 2022 still we may lack enough vaccines to vaccinate people in the every corner of this world, but we are already free now, we don't have any lockdown inside the borders. Probably restrictions to travel abroad due to the third wave but people started to love along with the covid because starving is deadlier than covid.

[Mr.right85]

Thats the only way to get most persons of which I believe to fall in that category to take the vaccine because, I'm so not going to take that shit. Not because I hate vaccination but, I'm not just in on the safety of this one.

Government forcing it on people is going to be really bad but, its all they can do. Especially with the travel bans, hospitals, access to police and others. So much for having the government watch over you like a baby seater.

I personally don't think they are going to lack the vaccines as there would always be room for producing more vaccines.

[BADecker]

Even at the end of 2022 still we may lack enough vaccines to vaccinate people in the every corner of this world, but we are already free now, we don't have any lockdown inside the borders. Probably restrictions to travel abroad due to the third wave but people started to love along with the covid because starving is deadlier than covid.

Since we have always lacked any reason to get vaccinated 'cause they don't help us, and since essentially all the vaccines produce damage rather than help us, total vaccine lack would be the best thing that could happen regarding vaccines.

The best benefit that vaccines do is to produce a bit of placebo effect in some of us because of our faith in them. It is the placebo effect that heals, not the vaccine.

[Quickseller]

There's already been discussions from some California schools that I've been reading about which essentially say that your child must be vaccinated in order for them to return to school -- remember, the Moderna/Pfizer vaccine has not gone through clinical trials for children, the median age was in the 50's for a participant of the clinical trial. And you can be fired from your job if you refuse to get the vaccine. So yes, we are down the road of forced vaccines.

Forcing people to get vaccinated is not without precedent, there was even a Supreme Court case, Jacobson v MA (1905), in which the SC ruled that states have the authority to enforce vaccination laws. This was on the state level, not the Federal level, and I am not sure a national vaccination law would be constitutional.

While I plan on getting vaccinated, and recommend that others do the same when it is their turn, I don't think it is wise to force people to get vaccinated. There are risks to getting the vaccine, I believe the benefits outweigh the risks by a large margin, but this is something people should evaluate individually. I believe trying to force people to get vaccinated will only delay getting enough people to get vaccinated in order to eradicate the virus. Right now, demand for the vaccine outweighs the supply, so trying to force people into getting the vaccine will not do anything currently. 

[tabas]

I've read that there's hope and a perfect example is Gibraltar.
Relief in Gibraltar as face masks come off outside
That's really a requirement to get everyone vaccinated but hopefully they won't enforce it to those that are negative and don't want it.

[bryant.coleman]

Even at the end of 2022 still we may lack enough vaccines to vaccinate people in the every corner of this world, but we are already free now, we don't have any lockdown inside the borders. Probably restrictions to travel abroad due to the third wave but people started to love along with the covid because starving is deadlier than covid.

^^^ This.

There are not enough doses now to vaccinate even the ultra-high priority groups. Obviously there are some exceptions such as the United Kingdom and Israel, who have hoarded vaccines that would have otherwise gone to high-risk populations in other countries. Moderna, Pfizer and J&J doesn't have any spare capacity to provide vaccines to poorer nations. Vaccination program was started 4 months ago, and even now only around 10% of the population is vaccinated in countries such as France and Germany. In the third world nations, it is much lower.

According to the latest data, less than 2% of the world's population has been completely vaccinated against COVID 19 (i.e two doses).

Total number of people who have received two doses of the vaccine: 
Total - 135,064,161
USA -  56,089,614
India - 9,640,340
Turkey - 6,942,183
Brazil - 5,078,476
Israel - 4,803,665
Russia - 4,482,884
Indonesia - 3,854,451
Chile - 3,832,331
Morocco - 3,767,210
Italy - 3,288,888
Spain - 2,797,015
Serbia - 1,037,709
Hungary - 863,195
Canada - 696,128
Argentina - 680,590

[Poker Player]

Being vaccinated reduces natural immunity, and doesn't guarantee protection from the new variants. If we are to be given a virus passport, it should be based on a test for immunity, and not on the hope that an artificial virus infection will give immunity.

The potential routes to immunity are a) get vaccinated, or b) contract the virus.

Obviously vaccination is not 100% effective, and will not safeguard against all future variants. But if virus mutation is sufficient to render current vaccines irrelevant, then the vaccines will be modified accordingly - modification being in general a simple, quick process, and not really comparable to the process of deriving a new vaccine from scratch. Take the annual updating of the flu vaccine as an example here.

Vaccination or infection are the routes to immunity. Take your pick as to which is preferable.

If I have to choose between the AstraZeneca vaccine and getting infected, I'd rather get infected. I know of several cases of middle-aged people, without pathologies, who after taking this vaccine have been unable to get out of bed for several days. The normal thing in these young healthy people is that if they catch the virus, the symptoms are less than that.

The coronavirus problem could have been solved in a better way: imposing restrictions only on the elderly and people with pathologies, instead of paralyzing entire economies. The problem is that no politician would dare to do that because then in the next election, the majority of millions of retirees would have voted against them because they felt discriminated against.

[BADecker]

Here's what it is all about. It's a completely different thing than most people even think of. It's the reason why Bill Gates is involved.

BTW, vaccine damage might be shielded from liability legally, but lawfully they are not. That's why government attempts to get people to use legal stuff in courts, rather than what is lawful without the legal.


COVID-19 Vaccines Likened to 'Software Updates' for Your Body

However, despite being a recognized form of gene therapy since its inception, vaccine makers are now frantically trying to deny that this mRNA technology is gene therapy. One reason for this, suggested by David Martin, Ph.D.,1 might be because as long as they're considered "vaccines," they will be shielded from liability.

Experimental gene therapies do not have financial liability shielding from the government, but pandemic vaccines do, even in the experimental stage, as long as the emergency use authorization is in effect. Another reason might be because they fear people won't line up for experimental gene therapy. It has a very different connotation in people's minds (as it should).

A third possibility is that they know full well that you cannot, ethically, mandate gene therapy in the way you can mandate vaccines. Mandatory public health measure directives are typically based on the idea that it's acceptable for some individuals to be harmed as long as the measure benefits the collective.

Well, the COVID-19 "vaccines" are only designed to lessen symptoms of COVID-19. They do not prevent infection or spread, and since the vaccinated individual is the only one receiving a potential benefit, "the greater good" argument falls apart.

Who knows, there may be other factors at play that we've not realized as of yet, but whatever the reason, they really do not want you to think of these injections as gene therapy. They want you to accept them as any other conventional vaccine.

[Natsuu]

You won`t be able to travel without your covid pass.
You won`t be able to shop without your covid pass.

Obviously this will vary country by country (and likely also within countries), with some stricter than others. But if the vaccine prevents transmission as well as infection, then it does make perfect sense to have restrictions for unvaccinated people, who could be carriers and be infecting others. Particularly if the people without the Covid pass are those who have actively refused the vaccine, and are disproportionately likely to not wear masks or conform to social distancing measures.

Indeed, especially to those whose main reason for not getting vaccinated is because of some conspiracy ideas that is really illogical and quite ambiguous tbh. And also to those who violates the rules and regulations for freedom, while living in a democratic country binded by the constitution.