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January 25, 2021, 12:30:50 PM
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What i meant is that i still have the access to my old wallet address that i mainly use at 2014 - 2016, which yes, i still do have the private key
It is good when you have access to that private key.

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but unfortunately in the past i've never ever did a signed message using that address.
You don't need to have a sign message in 2014, example. What you need is have a post, or few posts with that address in 2014 or any year before the hack. Post contains that address need to be original, no edits. It is a plus point if some members quoted it for you in the past. If you pay your attention, you see many people quoted the sign message posts in the topic take your Bitcoin address here

Hackers can edit, delete past posts but they can not send request to other members to delete all past quoted posts relate to the hacked account.

Now, you sign a message with that address to prove that you are the person that owned that private key in 2014 to before the hack.

You signed that message and it proves the ownership on that account, not the hacked one.

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And yes I'm still new to this signed message thing, and i got a question, does signing a message with said address need the private key?


It is for PGP message not bitcoin message. They are different messages.

The guide shows the process to sign a PGP message is different and more complex: [Eng: Tutorial] PGP Signature - Encrypt/Decrypt message - Fingerprint

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January 25, 2021, 12:55:17 PM
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Also dont save you login details on your browser, manually typing your
username and password every time you login will implant it into your
memory, you will never forget!
Noted, i won't save login details on my browser anymore from now on.

A handy thread which I have yet to get around to doing myself is to stake
your Bitcoin address on the forum as another level of ownership of your account.
Here is the thread > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=996318.
Also, I will 100% stake my signed bitcoin address for this account, so I won't lost this account either.

You don't need to have a sign message in 2014, example. What you need is have a post, or few posts with that address in 2014 or any year before the hack. Post contains that address need to be original, no edits. It is a plus point if some members quoted it for you in the past. If you pay your attention, you see many people quoted the sign message posts in the topic take your Bitcoin address here

Hackers can edit, delete past posts but they can not send request to other members to delete all past quoted posts relate to the hacked account.

Now, you sign a message with that address to prove that you are the person that owned that private key in 2014 to before the hack.

You signed that message and it proves the ownership on that account, not the hacked one.
Ahhh, now i understand, well sadly there is no post (that has been posted by my old account) that has my old wallet address written on it. But, i do remember that i input my wallet address into the profile page

For reference, here is a look at profile page that i got from Forum account: security, privacy, and recovery:
https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.postimg.cc%2FCMf5WDsq%2F20200712-134609.jpg&t=621&c=5N83-ojeSmaBSg (welp, i can't post image, so here a link to that image from said topic, or if you are wary of me giving you some suspicious link just look at the third picture of the said topic)

So i was hoping that the admin or some archival machine able to look it up and ....

Although, after thinking about it again, seems like i cannot prove my ownership of the account, since anybody could change that exact value once they got in into that account. Oh well, sorry it took me so long to realize Grin

Anyway, thank you for your responses, really appreciate it Cheesy
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January 25, 2021, 01:00:33 PM
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are there any ways (or maybe tips) to secure my account on this forum?
Don't give your account password to anyone.
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January 25, 2021, 01:37:06 PM
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And yes I'm still new to this signed message thing, and i got a question, does signing a message with said address need the private key?
Of course, you need your private key to access your old wallet for sign message. But if you've never posted that address or PM sent that address to someone in the past, I think maybe your request will be rejected. So the bottom line is that any bitcoin address you have used in the past on forum will serve to prove you are the real owner.

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January 25, 2021, 07:09:07 PM
Last edit: January 26, 2021, 02:02:00 AM by Oshosondy
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And yes I'm still new to this signed message thing, and i got a question, does signing a message with said address need the private key?
Of course, you need your private key to access your old wallet for sign message. But if you've never posted that address or PM sent that address to someone in the past, I think maybe your request will be rejected. So the bottom line is that any bitcoin address you have used in the past on forum will serve to prove you are the real owner.
Yes that is true that private key is needed to sign a message, but Redoubt should know that the private key is not included while signing, what that are included are just 1. The bitcoin address for signing the message 2. The message that will be signed, after these has been filled, the user can click on sign message, the message will be signed. Not all wallets sign a message, not all private keys wallets also sign a message, there are few ones that do it, like electrum and coinomi. All wallets signing a message are all altcoins private key wallets while not all private key wallets can sign a message, only few ones do.

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January 26, 2021, 01:29:57 AM
Last edit: January 26, 2021, 04:13:43 AM by SquirrelJulietGarden
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You understood the private key, public address and sign message totally inaccurate.

Yes that is true that private key is needed to sign a message, but Redoubt should know that the private key is not included while signing, what that are included are just 1. The bitcoin address for signing the message 2.
Private key - create public key - create public address

In order to sign a bitcoin message, you need to have a private key for a public address from which you want to sign a message. In a reverse  way, the sign message is to show you are the owner of that address by owning its private key.

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The message that will be signed, after these has been filled, the user can click on sign message, the message will be signed.
It will require you to enter a password of your wallet. This step is mandatory if you encrypted your wallet. It is a prevention to not allow hacker to be freely sign any message when he find your bitcoin wallet file.

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Not all wallets sign a message, not all private keys wallets also sign a message, there are few ones that do it, like electrum and coinomi.
It is not correct (but I don't use Coinomi so I don't know about the wallet). To sign a message, you need a wallet software that support the sign/ verify message feature. The incorrectness is from not all private keys wallets also sign a message, you can import that private key to other wallet softwares to sign a message.

Say not all private key can sign a message, it is totally not correct.

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All wallets signing a message are altcoins private key wallets while not all private key wallets can sign a message, only few ones do.
Why altcoins?


In Mastering bitcoin, see the quote.

Sign a message, you need a private key and wallet password (if it is encrypted)
Verify a message, you don't need a private key.
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Why Use Asymmetric Cryptography (Public/Private Keys)?
Why is asymmetric cryptography used in bitcoin? It’s not used to "encrypt" (make secret) the transactions. Rather, the useful property of asymmetric cryptography is the ability to generate digital signatures. A private key can be applied to the digital fingerprint of a transaction to produce a numerical signature. This signature can only be produced by someone with knowledge of the private key. However, anyone with access to the public key and the transaction fingerprint can use them to verify the signature. This useful property of asymmetric cryptography makes it possible for anyone to verify every signature on every transaction, while ensuring that only the owners of private keys can produce valid signatures.
https://github.com/bitcoinbook/bitcoinbook/blob/develop/ch04.asciidoc

I do not see your corrections as corrections, except the last mistake that I wanted to write all but changed to altcoins which I will still discuss below.  
Ok fine man. Your answers show you are wrong again.

Password: Electrum. Passphrase: Bitcoin Core. Two wallets use different words but they serve as traditional password for files that we know.

Bitcoin Core:
https://bitcoin.org/en/wallets/desktop/windows/bitcoincore/
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Vulnerable environment

This wallet can be loaded on computers which are vulnerable to malware. Securing your computer, using a strong passphrase, moving most of your funds to cold storage, or enabling two-factor authentication can make it harder to steal your bitcoins.
If you want to unlock your Bitcoin Core wallet, you have type
Code:
bitcoin-cli walletpassphrase "wallet_password" numberofsecondsyouwantthewallettoopen

Electrum
https://electrum.readthedocs.io/en/latest/faq.html
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I have forgotten my password. What can I do?
It is not possible to recover your password. However, you can restore your wallet from its seed phrase and choose a new password. If you lose both your password and your seed, there is no way to recover your money. This is why we ask you to save your seed phrase on paper.

Private key wallet: Could you tell me how you learn the wallet type?
Try to correct when appropriate, what are you talking about? You mean all private key wallet sign a message? What about the private key wallets that do not have the software to sign a message like atomic wallet and many other wallets, only few private key wallets sign a message. You not correct what is right.
I only know deterministic wallet (and hierarchical deterministic or HD wallet), non deterministic wallet, custodial wallet, non custodial wallet.

Mastering bitcoin. Chap. 05 Wallets
Bitcoin.it, Wallet
Custodial vs. Non Custodial Wallets - "Not your keys, not your coin" Explained.

You need to read documents again as I see you love what you typed creatively.

What I wrote could be wrong as I am not a bitcoin developer and I will read documents again if I see I understood incorrectly. I hope you will listen to correct your knowledge when Legendary members comment.

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January 26, 2021, 02:39:46 AM
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You understood the private key, public address and sign message totally inaccurate.
I do not see your corrections as corrections, except the last mistake that I wanted to write all but changed to altcoins which I will still discuss below. You should read carefully before making comment, private key is needed to sign a message, but it will not be included while signing the message it works underneath, only what are included is the address and the message you want to sign.

In order to sign a bitcoin message, you need to have a private key for a public address from which you want to sign a message. In a reverse  way, the sign message is to show you are the owner of that address by owning its private key.
Check what I posted.

Yes that is true that private key is needed to sign a message

It will require you to enter a password of your wallet. This step is mandatory if you encrypted your wallet. It is a prevention to not allow hacker to be freely sign any message when he find your bitcoin wallet file.
Not password but passphrase, know that passwords are not passphrase. It is not also an encryption but a seed extension.

Not all wallets sign a message, not all private keys wallets also sign a message, there are few ones that do it, like electrum and coinomi.
It is not correct (but I don't use Coinomi so I don't know about the wallet). To sign a message, you need a wallet software that support the sign/ verify message feature. The incorrectness is from not all private keys wallets also sign a message, you can import that private key to other wallet softwares to sign a message.
Try to correct when appropriate, what are you talking about? You mean all private key wallet sign a message? What about the private key wallets that do not have the software to sign a message like atomic wallet and many other wallets, only few private key wallets sign a message. Do not correct what is right.

Say not all private key can sign a message, it is totally not correct.
Can atomic wallet sign a message, is it not a private key wallet, you need to understand about wallet before commenting about them because you are absolutely wrong and saying someone is wrong.

All wallets signing a message are altcoins private key wallets while not all private key wallets can sign a message, only few ones do it.
Why altcoins?
Corrected, typo error.

All wallets signing a message are altcoins all private key wallets while not all private key wallets can sign a message, only few ones do it.

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January 26, 2021, 03:53:51 AM
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~snip

Although, after thinking about it again, seems like i cannot prove my ownership of the account, since anybody could change that exact value once they got in into that account. Oh well, sorry it took me so long to realize Grin

Anyway, thank you for your responses, really appreciate it Cheesy

Trying to recover your old account of Member rank is just a waste of time and effort in my opinion.
You can easily get to member rank within a few months of good effort. You will need just 10 merits and that's not such a difficult job if you put in some efforts.
I see that you have staked your address already which is a good thing. Just make sure to put in some efforts and you will reach Member rank in no time.
All the best and will definitely see you around the forum  Wink

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