Another deception of bounty payments to hunters POOLZ

[Rikafip]

the fact that the Manager in this estuarie can not do anything, this I understand, but it can directly branch to write what will probably be the payment split or after a while, what the payments will be 2 weeks after TGE? is this also the team's fault ?

Bounty manager is probably just using the info he got from the team, he is probably not making distribution plans by himself. What you as a bounty hunter should do is not join bounty campaign of a manager that you think is doing a bad job. In reality, majority of bounty hunters will forget about all the issues immediately when they see a new bounty campaign by a same manager.

it is understandable that they want to protect the token value, bounty hunters usually sell tokens immediately and ruin his price, but waiting for 2.5 years for bounty rewards it is unacceptable.

If that's how they perceived bounty hunters solely as  token dumpers, then they shouldn't even have bounty campaign, or eventually set realistic bounty pool. According to current POOLZ price, bounty pool is worth more than 300,000 USD (25,000 POOLZ) so of course they decided to screw bounty hunters knowing that they won't face any repercussions because of it.

What will happen in half a year, year? Nothing will happen, they will withdraw the money, and the project will go to the bottom.

By the time they are supposed to finish distributing bounty tokens, Poolz a a project won't probably even exist anymore.

My suggestion is to relax and wait. Think of it from the bright side - if you would sell everything now, but POOLZ token price continued to grow, you would feel even worse than "be deceived".

That's exactly the reason why bounty hunter get screwed over and over again. They are ready to join just about any bounty campaign that appears, waiting for months or even years to get tokens, and in the end getting peanuts after team is done with the dumping.


They say that definition of insanity is "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results",  and that pretty much sums up bounty campaigns. How many times bounty hunters have to get screwed to learn the lesson?

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[Shef198911]

the fact that the Manager in this estuarie can not do anything, this I understand, but it can directly branch to write what will probably be the payment split or after a while, what the payments will be 2 weeks after TGE? is this also the team's fault ?

Bounty manager is probably just using the info he got from the team, he is probably not making distribution plans by himself. What you as a bounty hunter should do is not join bounty campaign of a manager that you think is doing a bad job. In reality, majority of bounty hunters will forget about all the issues immediately when they see a new bounty campaign by a same manager.

it is understandable that they want to protect the token value, bounty hunters usually sell tokens immediately and ruin his price, but waiting for 2.5 years for bounty rewards it is unacceptable.

If that's how they perceived bounty hunters solely as  token dumpers, then they shouldn't even have bounty campaign, or eventually set realistic bounty pool. According to current POOLZ price, bounty pool is worth more than 300,000 USD (25,000 POOLZ) so of course they decided to screw bounty hunters knowing that they won't face any repercussions because of it.

What will happen in half a year, year? Nothing will happen, they will withdraw the money, and the project will go to the bottom.

By the time they are supposed to finish distributing bounty tokens, Poolz a a project won't probably even exist anymore.

My suggestion is to relax and wait. Think of it from the bright side - if you would sell everything now, but POOLZ token price continued to grow, you would feel even worse than "be deceived".

That's exactly the reason why bounty hunter get screwed over and over again. They are ready to join just about any bounty campaign that appears, waiting for months or even years to get tokens, and in the end getting peanuts after team is done with the dumping.


They say that definition of insanity is "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results",  and that pretty much sums up bounty campaigns. How many times bounty hunters have to get screwed to learn the lesson?

it's just surprising, small companies that collect little and do not have such success, spend on commissions of 5 000 USD, but pay hunters, and here a large company with good trading volumes, and do not want to pay, if the project is worthy, and I consider poolz worthy, then many hunters will not immediately sell, and secondly the price will recover.

And the manager simply does not need to believe the team in the future if they really say that payments will be made in 2 weeks, you still need to clarify this point, that payments may be delayed ... In general, the bounty manager does its job well, there are some shortcomings, but I think it will fix them in the future

My suggestion is to relax and wait. Think of it from the bright side - if you would sell everything now, but POOLZ token price continued to grow, you would feel even worse than "be deceived".

this is wrong.

I agree that this is wrong, but what bounty hunters could do except just wait, ignore the project or ignore new bounties from BM (which will be very hard to do or it will be useless, as there are always hunters who wish to join).

I remember back in 2018 few bounty cases, where hunters made a complainant topic on bitcointalk and spread information about not receiving rewards. All of them ended with no positive results. Two cases stuck in my memory actually. In first, team promised to distribute rewards in one month and return bounty pool to original amount. After one has passed, nothing happened, new accusation topic was made, but had no result. Second case - hunters managed to contact project CEO and major investors and told that they are scammed - in result investors pushed on the team and force them to skip bounty reward distribution, because "this would impact on price and they would lose money"...

about investors was a good idea, it would be good for investors to unite with the hunters to support them, perhaps this topic will be read by investors and will be able to also contribute to the support of hunters.(but this is only a dream already ) at the present time, many people only think about their profits)

[bakasabo]

about investors was a good idea, it would be good for investors to unite with the hunters to support them, perhaps this topic will be read by investors and will be able to also contribute to the support of hunters.(but this is only a dream already ) at the present time, many people only think about their profits)

What are the benefits for investors if hunters will get their tokens in full amount? The only 1 I can see - hunters starts, as usually, to sell rewards immediately, and there are two ways. 1) if price goes down, investors could buy cheap tokens 2)if price goes up, investors could sell their tokens (they will get huge profit, as they get bonuses for early buyers). What project gets ? Reputation of assets being dumped.

That's exactly the reason why bounty hunter get screwed over and over again. They are ready to join just about any bounty campaign that appears, waiting for months or even years to get tokens, and in the end getting peanuts after team is done with the dumping.

Then what it the solution for situation when hunters being screwed? Escrowing is not always a solution, weekly/monthly payments - perhaps, but they will complain for numerous transaction fees, paying in btc/etc - not many projects can afford that.

This all looks like Mexican standoff between "hunters, who wants to earn" - "investor, who wants to earn" - "project, who wants to earn", with only two possible winner

[target]

Spare the BM, its not his fault that the team decides to do this. But six months for 20% only and another six months for 20% until 100% is distributed?

The bounty hunters could just give up and not claimed it if it took that long.  I look at the price https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/poolz-finance and it looks like they do have a valid reason.  Thats a huge amount considering they are to distribute 25,000 POOLZ.

I'm confused POOLZ or POZ?  The bounty thread is indicated its ticker is POZ, maybe they can give the POZ right now but not the POOLZ.  

In your opinion, the price of the token is an indicator to pay 2.5 years? A little strange situation turns out, we have to promote them, try to attract investors to buy a token, and when the token really gains popularity, we do not immediately get what we earned, it turns out that we are to blame for this? We, too, have made an effort in their current popularity and value, and we now suffer for it

You make it sound like the team isn't going to pay, you will be paid but you just have to wait. The project seems to be a good one, they released an announcement to pay in time. You can just take it like you hold the tokens for 6 months.  It feels like you are cheated but just how it is. I recently joined the channel which I read there that the team will announce another term, maybe a change of dates.

They said that when the campaign was going on, the tokens weren't yet created. Now, the tokens has to be unlocked first before they can distribute. I'm sure how true the information is given there in the telegram but one thing is sure, waiting is your option.

[Shef198911]

Spare the BM, its not his fault that the team decides to do this. But six months for 20% only and another six months for 20% until 100% is distributed?

The bounty hunters could just give up and not claimed it if it took that long.  I look at the price https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/poolz-finance and it looks like they do have a valid reason.  Thats a huge amount considering they are to distribute 25,000 POOLZ.

I'm confused POOLZ or POZ?  The bounty thread is indicated its ticker is POZ, maybe they can give the POZ right now but not the POOLZ.  

In your opinion, the price of the token is an indicator to pay 2.5 years? A little strange situation turns out, we have to promote them, try to attract investors to buy a token, and when the token really gains popularity, we do not immediately get what we earned, it turns out that we are to blame for this? We, too, have made an effort in their current popularity and value, and we now suffer for it

You make it sound like the team isn't going to pay, you will be paid but you just have to wait. The project seems to be a good one, they released an announcement to pay in time. You can just take it like you hold the tokens for 6 months.  It feels like you are cheated but just how it is. I recently joined the channel which I read there that the team will announce another term, maybe a change of dates.

They said that when the campaign was going on, the tokens weren't yet created. Now, the tokens has to be unlocked first before they can distribute. I'm sure how true the information is given there in the telegram but one thing is sure, waiting is your option.

Yes, I understand that we have to wait, and I wrote already that we are waiting for new news, just depending on how long to wait, you would like to receive for your work once every half a year as much as a month will not even be enough, from some side it can be counted as a fraud

[anatolij.shishkin]

500 000 $ - Exactly so they deceived us!

[Shef198911]

There is a new announcement, more loyal, one thing is confusing that the team decided to double-check the spreadsheets, now there is a chance that many will be excluded without any explanation

"Hi everyone,

As you probably know, over the last few days, our team has been speaking personally with a number of the group members, the bounty hunters, to hear your voice and your thought to define together with you a new token distribution that will be shorter than the existing one.

As the problem is that the token distribution is not set at the beginning of the bounty mission, we work harder now to provide you a deal that will be fair and, on the other hand, keeps your interest, that the token price will not exact.

As we appreciate your fantastic job since the beginning, we saw you the same as the first investor who believed the company since the early days. Therefore we find a solution that establishes this structure.

So, we are giving the priority of early investors to the bounty hunters. They will get their token as the same model as those early investors will get.

Our new deal:
We will give 10% of the tokens each month. I will be starting after the next lockup period. (2 weeks from today). The 100% amount will be cleared in the next 10month from that day. This is the best deal we can give because you guys are getting the priority of early investors. And we think it’s a win-win deal for everyone.

For the spreadsheet:
The bounty manager handed over the final spreadsheet to us. Now, some members of our team will re-audit the spreadsheet. So, you may see some changes on the final version of the spreadsheet that we will release.  It will be released in the next 2weeks, before the lockup period.

We thank all of you and the bounty manager for helping us on promoting our project.

Guy Oren
Poolz CEO"

[anatolij.shishkin]

  Common sense prevails! Of course this is not what we expected. However, this is a solution. Such a decision will look loyal to both the company and us. 

[Shef198911]

Common sense prevails! Of course this is not what we expected. However, this is a solution. Such a decision will look loyal to both the company and us. 

Yes, this is a loyal decision, the main thing is that now the team does not exclude people from the final spreadsheets without a reason

[TopTort777]

For the spreadsheet:
The bounty manager handed over the final spreadsheet to us. Now, some members of our team will re-audit the spreadsheet. So, you may see some changes on the final version of the spreadsheet that we will release. 

How the hell this is going to help and work? What can they check, if the campaign is already ended, hunters has taken off signature, some social media accounts are banned or users deleted their records? Who are these "some members" ? Do they have experience of bounty management?

I don't think this option is "more loyal" for bounty hunters. Distribution is still postponed and will be made in parts. There are chances that some hunters will receive 0 reward (luckily others will receive their share).

I've skipped participating in bounties years ago and I see nothing changed. Bounty hunters are still treated like crap...

[Shef198911]

For the spreadsheet:
The bounty manager handed over the final spreadsheet to us. Now, some members of our team will re-audit the spreadsheet. So, you may see some changes on the final version of the spreadsheet that we will release. 

How the hell this is going to help and work? What can they check, if the campaign is already ended, hunters has taken off signature, some social media accounts are banned or users deleted their records? Who are these "some members" ? Do they have experience of bounty management?

I don't think this option is "more loyal" for bounty hunters. Distribution is still postponed and will be made in parts. There are chances that some hunters will receive 0 reward (luckily others will receive their share).

I've skipped participating in bounties years ago and I see nothing changed. Bounty hunters are still treated like crap...

So I can't understand why they should re-audit the table if the manager did it ... Do not be surprised if many expel, even without explanation, and those tokens which they were to receive, keep, and not spread to the rest of the participants, thus reducing the pool of the company, I personally have configured due to the fact that I started this thread, and those who were outraged about the first method of payment, but to keep quiet and swallow it all not collected, many projects were given tokens for a huge sum, without worrying about the price of the token and has earned its positive reputation, the graph, keep, UNI they think many kompaniyami should take an example

[target]

For the spreadsheet:
The bounty manager handed over the final spreadsheet to us. Now, some members of our team will re-audit the spreadsheet. So, you may see some changes on the final version of the spreadsheet that we will release. 

How the hell this is going to help and work? What can they check, if the campaign is already ended, hunters has taken off signature, some social media accounts are banned or users deleted their records? Who are these "some members" ? Do they have experience of bounty management?

I don't think this option is "more loyal" for bounty hunters. Distribution is still postponed and will be made in parts. There are chances that some hunters will receive 0 reward (luckily others will receive their share).

I've skipped participating in bounties years ago and I see nothing changed. Bounty hunters are still treated like crap...

I thought the new announcement will give a solution but it just made things worse.
Re-auditing the spreadsheet looks like bad news for everyone. I thought it would just be the waiting that will be a problem to the bounty hunters lol This team is the worst, I'm almost sure now they are going to exclude users and take the tokens for themselves.

[Shef198911]

For the spreadsheet:
The bounty manager handed over the final spreadsheet to us. Now, some members of our team will re-audit the spreadsheet. So, you may see some changes on the final version of the spreadsheet that we will release. 

How the hell this is going to help and work? What can they check, if the campaign is already ended, hunters has taken off signature, some social media accounts are banned or users deleted their records? Who are these "some members" ? Do they have experience of bounty management?

I don't think this option is "more loyal" for bounty hunters. Distribution is still postponed and will be made in parts. There are chances that some hunters will receive 0 reward (luckily others will receive their share).

I've skipped participating in bounties years ago and I see nothing changed. Bounty hunters are still treated like crap...

I thought the new announcement will give a solution but it just made things worse.
Re-auditing the spreadsheet looks like bad news for everyone. I thought it would just be the waiting that will be a problem to the bounty hunters lol This team is the worst, I'm almost sure now they are going to exclude users and take the tokens for themselves.

Yes, you are absolutely right, now there will be many exceptions for stupid reasons, lizhby pay less... The fact that they did not even make a reserve of tokens for the Bounty company, already says a lot, just ahead of the company key tango, something tells me that there will be exactly the same situation as with poolz, those who like to investigate, can do it...

[kirillkanoob]

Re-audit? Why is it needed, there have already been two audits, and now they decided to arrange a third, in order to exclude 90% of hunters altogether. After the first audit, they gave me low for the article, and after the second audit, reject. The third audit is apparently needed to deliver the rest of the reject. And the video was rejected, the manager does not respond in a personal message, he sent proof of views to the form, they also ignore it. Or maybe the team will revise the results for the better?

[Shef198911]

Re-audit? Why is it needed, there have already been two audits, and now they decided to arrange a third, in order to exclude 90% of hunters altogether. After the first audit, they gave me low for the article, and after the second audit, reject. The third audit is apparently needed to deliver the rest of the reject. And the video was rejected, the manager does not respond in a personal message, he sent proof of views to the form, they also ignore it. Or maybe the team will revise the results for the better?

ahahah, sorry, but,for all the time in the bounty, I have not yet met a company doing a re-audit for the better for hunters ))) if you add up all the announcements that they announced, it is clear that they do not have a special desire to pay at all, the fact that they did not make a reserve of tokens for hunters at all, knowing about the bounty of the company, says a lot ) and you think that they will count in a plus )))

[ARTCOINSLV]

Re-audit? Why is it needed, there have already been two audits, and now they decided to arrange a third, in order to exclude 90% of hunters altogether. After the first audit, they gave me low for the article, and after the second audit, reject. The third audit is apparently needed to deliver the rest of the reject. And the video was rejected, the manager does not respond in a personal message, he sent proof of views to the form, they also ignore it. Or maybe the team will revise the results for the better?

Yes, for the better, in their direction, dreamer 

[Rikafip]

Or maybe the team will revise the results for the better?

I like your optimism but chances of that happening are slim to none.

Situation is fairly simple: since they decided to decrease distribution period from two and half years to ten months, they have to find a way to distribute less tokens than initialy intended, they went with "re-auditing ", which is nothing but an euphemism for cutting down the bounty pool. The only question now is by how much will bounty pool get decreased.

I've skipped participating in bounties years ago and I see nothing changed. Bounty hunters are still treated like crap...

Lets be honest here; majority of projects having bounty campaigns are crap and majority of work done by bounty hunters is crap as well (out of curiosity I read some articles and watched some videos some time ago ) so no wonder that bounty campaigns often end up this way.

[Shef198911]

as expected, after the updated announcement, the team wrote that they have 2 weeks to make reaudit spreadsheets and send the first 10 % of the reward, 2 weeks have passed, so there is no news, there is no reaudit, there is no payment of 10%, as they usually write " wait for announcements"

[Rikafip]

as expected, after the updated announcement, the team wrote that they have 2 weeks to make reaudit spreadsheets and send the first 10 % of the reward, 2 weeks have passed, so there is no news, there is no reaudit, there is no payment of 10%, as they usually write " wait for announcements"

Sorry to hear that. Projects can do what they want and will keep delaying distribution as much as they want probably until they are done with the dumping.

If their trading volume is legit (more than 2 million USD) they shouldnt even feel that 10% of bounty pool distribution which is worth approximately 70,000 USD, but we all know how easily that is faked.

As I said before, bounty hunters won't learn any lesson from this and projects&managers know that.

[posi]

There seems to be something shady going on between the coin and the capital market cause the trading volume of the is not up to $2 million sources on the information provided for coin gecko it certainly $1,945,140.
Dejavu. My advice to bounty participant don't rely on getting your payment from the team so you won't get hurt cause the team behind the project seems not to be ready to pay you guys now maybe never.