Trump for prison.

[CryptocurencyKing]

Isn't it time to take Trump off the headline, he's being there far too long and not always for the right reasons. It almost seems like he is completely hated and he had no friends or supporters. Well, I don't know much on politics and most of this crimes not literally outlined so far in the comments but referenced in general terms. Can someone outline these crimes please?

Again, were Trump's actions in office not based on his beliefs for the American people? It would be easy for him should there be any case at all to blame it on his office.
What would become of American's politics, politicians and the rep for the presidency of the nation should Trump be the first American president to go to prison?

I doubt he would be headed there anyway #Prison.

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[BADecker]

This is something that Trump was attempting to do in different ways... remain tough on China.

The military became the force in America during the election fraud. The election fraud was international cyber-warfare. The military is still in control, because the war isn't completely over, yet.

The point is that Trump doesn't have anything to do with it until the war is over... because the election fraud runs deep regarding the war and the outward election. IF the military wins the war for the US, Biden will probably be removed for war crimes. The question is, will Trump be appointed as President? Or will the military order a new election?

The question lies in the election fraud cyber-war proof, which the military holds, and is not clearly showing to the populace at this time.

The below article shows that the Biden administration is attempting to maintain control over China. The only questions are, is Biden under orders from the military? Or is he acting on his own to soothe the military so that when the time comes, they might somehow have leniency on him as his election fraud comes into the open? Or is it a facade put on by China in their control of Biden?


Biden/Harris to Remain Tough on China

In 2011, Obama/Biden announced their Asia pivot to advance America's military in a part of the world where it doesn't belong.

What's gone on for the last decade continues under Biden/Harris.

It's all about seeking to weaken, contain, and isolate China — aiming to undermine the nation politically, economically, industrially, technologically and militarily.

A similar strategy is used against Russia, Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, and other nations on the US target list for regime change.

The ultimate aim is wanting them transformed into pro-Western vassal states, their sovereignty lost to a higher power in Washington.

The policy consistently fails, yet continues unabated, how the scourge of US imperialism operates — notably by waging endless wars by hot and other means on invented enemies.

No real ones exist so they have to be invented.

The longstanding strategy is contributing to Washington's decline, yet persists anyway.

After being confirmed as Biden/Harris war secretary, Lloyd Austin spoke to Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga, and his counterparts in Japan, South Korea, Australia and India.

Biden's double represents him publicly because the real Joe Biden is too cognitively impaired to conduct affairs of state — a disturbing situation suppressed by establishment media, supporting the ruse.

[TwitchySeal]

Can someone outline these crimes please?

- He's already an unindicted coconspirator in campaign finance charges his lawyer already served prison time for.
- He obstructed the investigation into foreign interference in the election he won. (up to 10 different obstruction felony charges have been outlined)
- He likely used the office of president for personal gain (emoluments)
- He threatened/begged the Georgia Sec of State to 'find him' enough votes to win the state after being told he did not have enough votes. (I think there are 2 state laws and 2 federal he could be charged with for this)
- He incited a violent insurrection.
- It looks pretty clear that he committed a ton of bank and tax fraud before he took office.

I'm probably missing a few things.

[squatz1]

Can someone outline these crimes please?

- He's already an unindicted coconspirator in campaign finance charges his lawyer already served prison time for.
- He obstructed the investigation into foreign interference in the election he won. (up to 10 different obstruction felony charges have been outlined)
- He likely used the office of president for personal gain (emoluments)
- He threatened/begged the Georgia Sec of State to 'find him' enough votes to win the state after being told he did not have enough votes. (I think there are 2 state laws and 2 federal he could be charged with for this)
- He incited a violent insurrection.
- It looks pretty clear that he committed a ton of bank and tax fraud before he took office.

I'm probably missing a few things.

Curious though, do you think that this is going to lead to him going to prison? I personally highly doubt it. Guy still has a massive amount of influence with the GOP and is going to use that to skirt any potential problems.

Plus the fact that the Biden admin will (IMO) avoid prosecuting Trump because they’re going for the whole unity thing. Trump will most likely be found not guility in his upcoming Senate trial as well.

[Cnut237]

do you think that this is going to lead to him going to prison? I personally highly doubt it. Guy still has a massive amount of influence with the GOP and is going to use that to skirt any potential problems.

Plus the fact that the Biden admin will (IMO) avoid prosecuting Trump because they’re going for the whole unity thing. Trump will most likely be found not guility in his upcoming Senate trial as well.

The question of whether he is or is not guilty of any crimes is moot in terms of a near-term prosecution. There's next to zero chance of him going to prison any time soon. It's not just or even primarily that he has GOP influence... the main obstacle to any prosecution is his huge influence amongst the electorate, and particularly the freedom-lovin', gun-totin' element of the electorate. A Trump prosecution would lead to huge civil unrest, and I'm sure will be judged a price not worth paying.

Same result for the impeachment, too. He won't be convicted (and I've put bitcoin on it). A few GOP senators came out against him after Jan 6th, but voters are fickle and have short memories. Jan 6th is not in the headlines as much now, and the GOP are closing ranks behind Trump.

If any conviction and prison time does happen, it won't be until Trump has lost all support amongst the electorate. Given that he's likely going to remain in the public eye for the foreseeable future, and that he's already in his mid-70s and (probably) quite unhealthy, a prison sentence seems very unlikely.

[squatz1]

do you think that this is going to lead to him going to prison? I personally highly doubt it. Guy still has a massive amount of influence with the GOP and is going to use that to skirt any potential problems.

Plus the fact that the Biden admin will (IMO) avoid prosecuting Trump because they’re going for the whole unity thing. Trump will most likely be found not guility in his upcoming Senate trial as well.

The question of whether he is or is not guilty of any crimes is moot in terms of a near-term prosecution. There's next to zero chance of him going to prison any time soon. It's not just or even primarily that he has GOP influence... the main obstacle to any prosecution is his huge influence amongst the electorate, and particularly the freedom-lovin', gun-totin' element of the electorate. A Trump prosecution would lead to huge civil unrest, and I'm sure will be judged a price not worth paying.

Same result for the impeachment, too. He won't be convicted (and I've put bitcoin on it). A few GOP senators came out against him after Jan 6th, but voters are fickle and have short memories. Jan 6th is not in the headlines as much now, and the GOP are closing ranks behind Trump.

If any conviction and prison time does happen, it won't be until Trump has lost all support amongst the electorate. Given that he's likely going to remain in the public eye for the foreseeable future, and that he's already in his mid-70s and (probably) quite unhealthy, a prison sentence seems very unlikely.

I 100% agree with everything that was said here. There’s no way that the 30-40% of Americans that are die hard Trumpers are going to be happy with him being brought up on criminal charges and then potentially found guilty. Prosecuting him would only further embolden them to be angry and continue to support him and whoever he endorses.

His impeachment was dead on arrival right when Rand Paul forced the vote and it was shown that the the Dems wouldn’t be able to convince another 10 Republicans to vote with them to remove Trump.

His age is an important factor as well. He’ll most likely be dead before he has to worry about any of this. Plus like, what the hell does prison look like for a former President — does it mean that they’re under house arrest or are they in jail with secret service protection? Plus like, this person has classified information in their head and you want to protect them at all costs.

[PrimeNumber7]

Can someone outline these crimes please?

- He's already an unindicted coconspirator in campaign finance charges his lawyer already served prison time for.
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Naming Trump in that case was a political move intended to hurt Trump. The prosecution of Cohen was political, and Cohen decided to become a Trump opponent in order to gain leniency. Bringing this up really removes credibility from your post.

[TwitchySeal]

Can someone outline these crimes please?

- He's already an unindicted coconspirator in campaign finance charges his lawyer already served prison time for.
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Naming Trump in that case was a political move intended to hurt Trump. The prosecution of Cohen was political, and Cohen decided to become a Trump opponent in order to gain leniency. Bringing this up really removes credibility from your post.

What I said is a fact, actually.  Feel free to dispute it and I'll provide the evidence.

If you think he's innocent or above the law, just say so.  Playing the 'it was political' card over and over removes credibility from all your posts.  You could say that about any politician that commits a crime - it doesn't mean politicians should not be held accountable.  

[squatz1]

Can someone outline these crimes please?

- He's already an unindicted coconspirator in campaign finance charges his lawyer already served prison time for.
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Naming Trump in that case was a political move intended to hurt Trump. The prosecution of Cohen was political, and Cohen decided to become a Trump opponent in order to gain leniency. Bringing this up really removes credibility from your post.

What I said is a fact, actually.  Feel free to dispute it and I'll provide the evidence.

If you think he's innocent or above the law, just say so.  Playing the 'it was political' card over and over removes credibility from all your posts.  You could say that about any politician that commits a crime - it doesn't mean politicians should not be held accountable.  

Depends on the point that they’re trying to argue here. If they’re trying to say that Cohen was targeted due to being close to Trump and the Mueller campaign saw that he could potentially flip on Trump (which he did) — Then I’d say that’s true. I’m pretty sure (don’t quote me) that he wasn’t being investigated prior to the Mueller probe starting.

With this line of thought, then the Mueller probe was the reason for Michael Cohen getting charged with his crimes.

Let me know if that line of thought is wrong, will gladly read some of the stuff on that. Shit feels so long ago now.

[PrimeNumber7]

What I said is a fact, actually.  Feel free to dispute it and I'll provide the evidence.

If you think he's innocent or above the law, just say so.  Playing the 'it was political' card over and over removes credibility from all your posts.  You could say that about any politician that commits a crime - it doesn't mean politicians should not be held accountable. 

Depends on the point that they’re trying to argue here. If they’re trying to say that Cohen was targeted due to being close to Trump and the Mueller campaign saw that he could potentially flip on Trump (which he did) — Then I’d say that’s true. I’m pretty sure (don’t quote me) that he wasn’t being investigated prior to the Mueller probe starting.

With this line of thought, then the Mueller probe was the reason for Michael Cohen getting charged with his crimes.

Let me know if that line of thought is wrong, will gladly read some of the stuff on that. Shit feels so long ago now.

What you are saying is that Cohen was prosecuted for political reasons -- to cause damage to Trump, who is was the leader of the opposition party of the "career" DOJ prosecutors who decided to prosecute Cohen.

[Gyfts]

What I said is a fact, actually.  Feel free to dispute it and I'll provide the evidence.

If you think he's innocent or above the law, just say so.  Playing the 'it was political' card over and over removes credibility from all your posts.  You could say that about any politician that commits a crime - it doesn't mean politicians should not be held accountable. 

Depends on the point that they’re trying to argue here. If they’re trying to say that Cohen was targeted due to being close to Trump and the Mueller campaign saw that he could potentially flip on Trump (which he did) — Then I’d say that’s true. I’m pretty sure (don’t quote me) that he wasn’t being investigated prior to the Mueller probe starting.

With this line of thought, then the Mueller probe was the reason for Michael Cohen getting charged with his crimes.

Let me know if that line of thought is wrong, will gladly read some of the stuff on that. Shit feels so long ago now.

What you are saying is that Cohen was prosecuted for political reasons -- to cause damage to Trump, who is was the leader of the opposition party of the "career" DOJ prosecutors who decided to prosecute Cohen.

His prosecution was obviously political to hurt Trump but he also was a shitty lawyer who committed crimes tbh. He should've not turned on Trump and instead gambled on a pardon by shutting his mouth, it would have taken him much further than trying to turn on Trump lmao. Dem's were going to throw him under the bus regardless and republicans weren't going to do anything to stop it.

Anyways, he's already out of jail and landed a sweet book deal which'll make him a boat load of cash so it's hard to feel sorry. Chalk it to "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" aka being Trump's personal attorney.

[TwitchySeal]

What I said is a fact, actually.  Feel free to dispute it and I'll provide the evidence.

If you think he's innocent or above the law, just say so.  Playing the 'it was political' card over and over removes credibility from all your posts.  You could say that about any politician that commits a crime - it doesn't mean politicians should not be held accountable.  

Depends on the point that they’re trying to argue here. If they’re trying to say that Cohen was targeted due to being close to Trump and the Mueller campaign saw that he could potentially flip on Trump (which he did) — Then I’d say that’s true. I’m pretty sure (don’t quote me) that he wasn’t being investigated prior to the Mueller probe starting.

With this line of thought, then the Mueller probe was the reason for Michael Cohen getting charged with his crimes.

Let me know if that line of thought is wrong, will gladly read some of the stuff on that. Shit feels so long ago now.

What you are saying is that Cohen was prosecuted for political reasons -- to cause damage to Trump, who is was the leader of the opposition party of the "career" DOJ prosecutors who decided to prosecute Cohen.

What I'm saying is Cohen was charged for lying to Congress.  He told Congress that Trump didn't have any ongoing business deals in Russia after Trump won the GOP nomination. Trump told the public the same thing.  In reality, Trump was continuing forward with his "Trump World Tower Moscow" project and even signed a letter of intent.

I actually left something off my list that Trump could face charges for that Cohen was also involved in.  He was convicted for campaign finance violations when, "in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office (Trump)" , he created a shell company to pay a porn star who Trump had an affair with $130,000 without having to report it to the FEC.


Edit: I mixed up the Porn Star and Trump Tower Moscow issues.  I'm not sure if Trump is exposed to any criminal charges for the Trump Tower Moscow lies since he only lied about it to the public, not under oath.  It's the campaign finance charges that he's an unindicted coconspirator for.  Feels like a million years ago that stuff happened.

[BADecker]

Let's say you have a bowl of soup... perhaps your life.

Trump and Biden, and their crimes, are both in your bowl of soup.

Trump and his crimes are like a tiny fly in your bowl of soup. You don't want a bowl of soup with a fly in it. You quickly fish the fly out. But maybe you dump the whole bowl of soup, and replace it with another, cleaner, bowl.

Biden and his crimes are like a camel in your bowl of soup. Why are you ignoring the big Biden crimes and focusing on the little Trump crimes? Is it because the Biden crimes are so big that you can't even move the bowl of soup off the table to exchange it for a bowl that doesn't have crimes in it? Probably not!

What it really is, is that you are part of the Biden crimes, and you like it that way.

Watch out! The Biden crimes are going to come back and bite you if you continue to enjoy them. Think about the pipeline that the union supported. And now Biden cancelled it and 50 some thousand workers are out of a job.

[Pancho95]

I think Trump is strong enough with his money to take great lawyers to get him freedom. If he goes to jail it will be message to all those politicians who does not respect people's will and election results. Trump in jail will pleasure democracy and get people to once again feel secure and trust in democracy system.

[gredinger]

Interesting trials ongoing for the impeachment.

It'd be interesting to see Republicans convict him -- but I doubt they will. 

[BADecker]

If Trump went to prison, all the prisons would become private investments.

[Mauser]

Interesting trials ongoing for the impeachment.

It'd be interesting to see Republicans convict him -- but I doubt they will. 

Yeah it didn't go anywhere. To be honest as expected. Why hurt your party even more? Biden is already in office, nothing is really going to change. Nothing good is going to come from this. We should work on moving forward again.

[squatz1]

What I said is a fact, actually.  Feel free to dispute it and I'll provide the evidence.

If you think he's innocent or above the law, just say so.  Playing the 'it was political' card over and over removes credibility from all your posts.  You could say that about any politician that commits a crime - it doesn't mean politicians should not be held accountable.  

Depends on the point that they’re trying to argue here. If they’re trying to say that Cohen was targeted due to being close to Trump and the Mueller campaign saw that he could potentially flip on Trump (which he did) — Then I’d say that’s true. I’m pretty sure (don’t quote me) that he wasn’t being investigated prior to the Mueller probe starting.

With this line of thought, then the Mueller probe was the reason for Michael Cohen getting charged with his crimes.

Let me know if that line of thought is wrong, will gladly read some of the stuff on that. Shit feels so long ago now.

What you are saying is that Cohen was prosecuted for political reasons -- to cause damage to Trump, who is was the leader of the opposition party of the "career" DOJ prosecutors who decided to prosecute Cohen.

What I'm saying is Cohen was charged for lying to Congress.  He told Congress that Trump didn't have any ongoing business deals in Russia after Trump won the GOP nomination. Trump told the public the same thing.  In reality, Trump was continuing forward with his "Trump World Tower Moscow" project and even signed a letter of intent.

I actually left something off my list that Trump could face charges for that Cohen was also involved in.  He was convicted for campaign finance violations when, "in coordination with and at the direction of a candidate for federal office (Trump)" , he created a shell company to pay a porn star who Trump had an affair with $130,000 without having to report it to the FEC.


Edit: I mixed up the Porn Star and Trump Tower Moscow issues.  I'm not sure if Trump is exposed to any criminal charges for the Trump Tower Moscow lies since he only lied about it to the public, not under oath.  It's the campaign finance charges that he's an unindicted coconspirator for.  Feels like a million years ago that stuff happened.

I know I’m a little late on a response here but yeah, all of this stuff does feel like a million years ago now.

The un indicted coconspirator thing is the part that saves him though, as he’ll face no punishment for that. Maybe NYS will try to go after him for these crimes in the future, though I personally highly doubt that anyone wants the former President of the United States to be charged with crimes from states.

That’s not to say that I think the President is above the law, as he should not be. But the Presidents crimes, both on a state and national level, should be dealt with through the impeachment process. I really just feel like it opens a can of worms if you begin indicting former Presidents through the regular process.

It’s a very weird situation and I’m personally not sure what should be done.

[OgNasty]

"After AOC's first term as president"

I laughed.  I voted.  It's true.  Trump isn't going to jail.  I can't believe TDS is still going strong in these people.  I think Trump should come out and say that if his trolls don't start acting right and quit this nonsense that he'll run for president again in 2024!  That would be hilarious. 

I figured when Trump "lost" the election that we would at least get a break from these public TDS attacks, but I guess more time is needed for those who have spent such a great part of their life bashing someone far more successful than themselves. 

[TwitchySeal]

I figured when Trump "lost" the election that we would at least get a break from these public TDS attacks

I suppose it's possible that everyone from Mitch McConnel to AOC have lost their mind, but have you considered the possibility that the people who are still falling for Trumps lies are the ones deranged?