Trump for prison.

[BADecker]

In my post that you quoted, there is a link to all kinds of mostly good things that Trump did. There are dozens of good things he did listed. Would you please come up with a list that doesn't have only 5 or 6 bad things he did, but rather has dozens of bad things?

Biden wasn't even President at the time he stole the classified documents.


Classified Documents Found At President Biden's Think Tank


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/classified-documents-found-president-bidens-think-tank
The investigation into the roughly 10 documents will be conducted by the US Attorney in Chicago (shocking!), according to the sources.

The classified material was identified by personal attorneys for Mr. Biden on Nov. 2, the day before the midterm elections, Richard Sauber, special counsel to the president confirmed. The documents were discovered when Mr. Biden's personal attorneys "were packing files housed in a locked closet to prepare to vacate office space at the Penn Biden Center in Washington, D.C.," Sauber said in a statement to CBS News. The documents were contained in a folder that was in a box with other unclassified papers, the sources said. The sources revealed neither what the classified documents contain nor their level of classification. A source familiar told CBS News the documents did not contain nuclear secrets. -CBS News

Remember when the DOJ raided former President Trump and made a huge deal about classified documents having been commingled with not-classified documents? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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Same argument, same response. You think Trump did great things, and other did bad thing. Regardless of that being true or not, it does not matter at all. You can save twenty kittens, but you are still not allowed to break the law. The documents he had in his private residencies cannot be there, period. That is the law and it does not matter if you have been " a good boy" (which is not the case anyway).

I'm glad you feel that way... "Same argument, same response." This thread is about Trump for prison. But now you are saying Biden for prison. It's about time somebody started to realize this. You are great for recognizing it.

You want lawbreaking to stop? Start focusing on the far greater lawbreaking that Biden is doing. Let's get them all for the illegal things that they are doing. But if they are judged rightly, Biden would be in prison for life while Trump would only be under house arrest for a couple of days.

In other words, Biden wasn't supposed to have the documents that he had. And he wasn't even President at the time. In addition, where is the court adjudication that says that Trump was definitely doing something illegal for having those documents? So far it's all hearsay that Trump was being illegal in this way.

Please stop killing off the kittens just to pick on something that might not have even been illegal.

[PouJonah31]

Dangerous people being given too much power in our world.

[BADecker]

Dangerous people being given too much power in our world.

Question: Who gives them their power?     

[Hispo]

So today I read on internet that Mr.Biden could have also mishandled confidential documents from the time he was Vice president (during Obama administration).
So, those document have been out their lawful place for at least seven years.

I did not expect such news to appear at all, specially when Mr.Trump is being investigated for having documents himself. I have got the feeling this will continue to fuel the polarization in the United States.

[BADecker]

So today I read on internet that Mr.Biden could have also mishandled confidential documents from the time he was Vice president (during Obama administration).
So, those document have been out their lawful place for at least seven years.

I did not expect such news to appear at all, specially when Mr.Trump is being investigated for having documents himself. I have got the feeling this will continue to fuel the polarization in the United States.

Two Biden batches found so far.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11619777/Biden-dodges-questions-classified-files-second-day-row.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/second-batch-of-classified-biden-documents-discovered-during-extensive-search/ar-AA16exx5?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fdc02e86f4f84340b7588cfb56effd06

Time to start searching for more Trump batches and for Obama batches. I bet the Obama shredders are running red hot at over 115% capacity.

[Hispo]

So today I read on internet that Mr.Biden could have also mishandled confidential documents from the time he was Vice president (during Obama administration).
So, those document have been out their lawful place for at least seven years.

I did not expect such news to appear at all, specially when Mr.Trump is being investigated for having documents himself. I have got the feeling this will continue to fuel the polarization in the United States.

Two Biden batches found so far.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11619777/Biden-dodges-questions-classified-files-second-day-row.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/second-batch-of-classified-biden-documents-discovered-during-extensive-search/ar-AA16exx5?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fdc02e86f4f84340b7588cfb56effd06

Time to start searching for more Trump batches and for Obama batches. I bet the Obama shredders are running red hot at over 115% capacity.

So is this how is supposed to work?
Any politician can bring any document they want back home even after their term is over?
Why do not people from the National Archaic notice these kind of breaches in their security and try to retrieve those documents as soon as possible? It looks like negligence at this point. Don't they have a registry?

This is something I would expect to happen here in my country, where the president does whatever he wants and nobody questions him.

[BADecker]

So today I read on internet that Mr.Biden could have also mishandled confidential documents from the time he was Vice president (during Obama administration).
So, those document have been out their lawful place for at least seven years.

I did not expect such news to appear at all, specially when Mr.Trump is being investigated for having documents himself. I have got the feeling this will continue to fuel the polarization in the United States.

Two Biden batches found so far.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11619777/Biden-dodges-questions-classified-files-second-day-row.html

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/second-batch-of-classified-biden-documents-discovered-during-extensive-search/ar-AA16exx5?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=fdc02e86f4f84340b7588cfb56effd06

Time to start searching for more Trump batches and for Obama batches. I bet the Obama shredders are running red hot at over 115% capacity.

So is this how is supposed to work?
Any politician can bring any document they want back home even after their term is over?
Why do not people from the National Archaic notice these kind of breaches in their security and try to retrieve those documents as soon as possible? It looks like negligence at this point. Don't they have a registry?

This is something I would expect to happen here in my country, where the president does whatever he wants and nobody questions him.

Well, actually, it's the other way completely. There shouldn't be any secret documents. Everything should be visible to any and all of the people who want to know. If it worked this way, governments couldn't do things like Covid warfare against the people, and whatever else they were doing conquer and disrupt freedom.

Once the people found the details out, they would legislate the conquering minds out of government.

However, the people can be pretty stupid. In America, people pay off their bank loans twice. And when they are shown this by all the banking pamphlets, and all the money websites, they still don't believe it, but keep on paying off their loans twice.

[Hispo]

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Well, actually, it's the other way completely. There shouldn't be any secret documents. Everything should be visible to any and all of the people who want to know. If it worked this way, governments couldn't do things like Covid warfare against the people, and whatever else they were doing conquer and disrupt freedom.

Besides it is almost impossible major governments around the world did this, I see a problem.
Let us assume the United States government somehow adopted a policy which actually abolished classified documents and any person of that country could get access to that information, pass, present and future.

Do not you think that could put USA in disadvantage facing adversaries which would not have such policy on the handling of their own information?

[BADecker]

Well, actually, it's the other way completely. There shouldn't be any secret documents. Everything should be visible to any and all of the people who want to know. If it worked this way, governments couldn't do things like Covid warfare against the people, and whatever else they were doing conquer and disrupt freedom.

Besides it is almost impossible major governments around the world did this, I see a problem.
Let us assume the United States government somehow adopted a policy which actually abolished classified documents and any person of that country could get access to that information, pass, present and future.

Do not you think that could put USA in disadvantage facing adversaries which would not have such policy on the handling of their own information?

And again, where did Russia get their strength from to accomplish the Bolshevik Revolution back in 1917 or whenever? Those Russians didn't have anything other than weak arms and ammo. they didn't have the automobile... or trucks or tractors. The US government gave it all to them, and even financed them back then.

Nowadays we have corporations and holders of the secrets selling it all off to the highest bidder. Seems that we Americans are the only people who don't know where it is going or what it is doing when it gets there.

[TwitchySeal]

Well, actually, it's the other way completely. There shouldn't be any secret documents. Everything should be visible to any and all of the people who want to know. If it worked this way, governments couldn't do things like Covid warfare against the people, and whatever else they were doing conquer and disrupt freedom.

Besides it is almost impossible major governments around the world did this, I see a problem.
Let us assume the United States government somehow adopted a policy which actually abolished classified documents and any person of that country could get access to that information, pass, present and future.

Do not you think that could put USA in disadvantage facing adversaries which would not have such policy on the handling of their own information?

And again, where did Russia get their strength from to accomplish the Bolshevik Revolution back in 1917 or whenever? Those Russians didn't have anything other than weak arms and ammo. they didn't have the automobile... or trucks or tractors. The US government gave it all to them, and even financed them back then.

Nowadays we have corporations and holders of the secrets selling it all off to the highest bidder. Seems that we Americans are the only people who don't know where it is going or what it is doing when it gets there.

Wait.  So are you arguing that the US government should make public things like:
- Locations of all weapons and details like how they are built, what they're capable of.  Also what kind of weapons are in development and their status.
- Military discussions and intelligence. 
- Weaknesses in National Defense.
- Names and details of all spies including double agents and information that they've gathered on other countries.

[BADecker]

And again, where did Russia get their strength from to accomplish the Bolshevik Revolution back in 1917 or whenever? Those Russians didn't have anything other than weak arms and ammo. they didn't have the automobile... or trucks or tractors. The US government gave it all to them, and even financed them back then.

Nowadays we have corporations and holders of the secrets selling it all off to the highest bidder. Seems that we Americans are the only people who don't know where it is going or what it is doing when it gets there.

Wait.  So are you arguing that the US government should make public things like:
- Locations of all weapons and details like how they are built, what they're capable of.  Also what kind of weapons are in development and their status.
- Military discussions and intelligence.  
- Weaknesses in National Defense.
- Names and details of all spies including double agents and information that they've gathered on other countries.

Good ideas. Why? The US wasn't supposed to be dabbling in foreign affairs in the first place. The Constitution is structured in this way. Check out the writings of the founding fathers in the Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist Papers. These writings show us what the founding fathers meant by what they wrote in the Constitution. Get the US out of foreign affairs, and get rid of the central bank that the Federal Reserve Bank has become... as the founding fathers meant it to be.

If the US doesn't follow what the constitution is really all about, the US is against Americans as well as just about anybody else. The points you listed would bring us back to the Constitution to a great extent.

What about protection from other countries, or whomever? We'd have to be quick on our toes regarding implementing anything that we found out and used. Stuff doesn't simply jump into the usage in foreign nations simply because they found that we had it. The result would be our advancement much faster, just to remain top-dog.

This would also mean the collapse of the wicked banking system that steals our money for use in making trouble around the world. You know what I mean.

[OgNasty]

For the people who wanted Trump to go to prison over the classified documents scandal...  Do you have that same energy for Biden?  Especially after it has come out that what Biden did was much worse?  Are liberals denying this now?  Do they feel a newfound sympathy for Trump.  Do they think Trump and Biden both belong in prison now?  Is there some hairbrained excuse for why Biden mishandling classified documents and keeping them in a garage is somehow better than Trump keeping them in a location secured by the secret service?  I'm genuinely curious how the media is going to sweep this under the rug.  Is Trump no longer going to be investigated as to not set a precedent that will surely land Biden in a worse position?

[TwitchySeal]

For the people who wanted Trump to go to prison over the classified documents scandal...  Do you have that same energy for Biden?  Especially after it has come out that what Biden did was much worse?  Are liberals denying this now?  Do they feel a newfound sympathy for Trump.  Do they think Trump and Biden both belong in prison now?  Is there some hairbrained excuse for why Biden mishandling classified documents and keeping them in a garage is somehow better than Trump keeping them in a location secured by the secret service?  I'm genuinely curious how the media is going to sweep this under the rug.  Is Trump no longer going to be investigated as to not set a precedent that will surely land Biden in a worse position?

Are you living under a rock and unaware that the main issue in Trumps case is obstruction, lying to the FBI and refusing to return the documents?  

Do you think Trump would be in the situation he's in now if he would have given back all the documents when asked instead of refusing, then giving some back and lying about the rest, then after being caught red handed claiming they "BELONG TO ME".  He tried to sue the DOJ and exert executive privilege to keep the DOJ (which is part of the executive branch) from reading classified documents that he doesn't even have the clearance to look at ffs.

Biden should be ashamed and deserves the political damage but unless there's much more to this story that we don't know about, which is entirely possible, Trumps situation is on an entirely different level.  I mean, just imagine if Biden refused to return them.  Then he was subpoenaed and returned some of them and had his lawyer swear there were no more.....and then the FBI found out there was more and got a search warrant to get them....and the whole time Biden tried to play the victim card and cried non stop about how unfair it was.....that's what Trump did.

[BADecker]

For the people who wanted Trump to go to prison over the classified documents scandal...  Do you have that same energy for Biden?  Especially after it has come out that what Biden did was much worse?  Are liberals denying this now?  Do they feel a newfound sympathy for Trump.  Do they think Trump and Biden both belong in prison now?  Is there some hairbrained excuse for why Biden mishandling classified documents and keeping them in a garage is somehow better than Trump keeping them in a location secured by the secret service?  I'm genuinely curious how the media is going to sweep this under the rug.  Is Trump no longer going to be investigated as to not set a precedent that will surely land Biden in a worse position?

Are you living under a rock and unaware that the main issue in Trumps case is obstruction, lying to the FBI and refusing to return the documents?  

Do you think Trump would be in the situation he's in now if he would have given back all the documents when asked instead of refusing, then giving some back and lying about the rest, then after being caught red handed claiming they "BELONG TO ME".  He tried to sue the DOJ and exert executive privilege to keep the DOJ (which is part of the executive branch) from reading classified documents that he doesn't even have the clearance to look at ffs.

Biden should be ashamed and deserves the political damage but unless there's much more to this story that we don't know about, which is entirely possible, Trumps situation is on an entirely different level.  I mean, just imagine if Biden refused to return them.  Then he was subpoenaed and returned some of them and had his lawyer swear there were no more.....and then the FBI found out there was more and got a search warrant to get them....and the whole time Biden tried to play the victim card and cried non stop about how unfair it was.....that's what Trump did.

Trump told the FBI that all they had to do was ask for the documents, and that he would release them to them. They never asked, but did a raid instead.

As far as Biden goes, the docs are simply the cherry in the criminality he is doing... as borne out by Hunter's laptop, and now by twitter regarding interference with the 2020 election.


Biden under congressional investigation for ch*led trafficking - http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/687/video/BIDEN_CHILD_TRAFFICK.MP4.

Note that this video is hosted on IPFS, which means that it can't be taken down without taking down most of the Internet at the same time.

[Hispo]

For the people who wanted Trump to go to prison over the classified documents scandal...  Do you have that same energy for Biden?  Especially after it has come out that what Biden did was much worse?  Are liberals denying this now?  Do they feel a newfound sympathy for Trump.  Do they think Trump and Biden both belong in prison now?  Is there some hairbrained excuse for why Biden mishandling classified documents and keeping them in a garage is somehow better than Trump keeping them in a location secured by the secret service?  I'm genuinely curious how the media is going to sweep this under the rug.  Is Trump no longer going to be investigated as to not set a precedent that will surely land Biden in a worse position?

Keeping track of the news lately on this matter.
On one hand, Fox is obviously criticizing the mishandling of those documents and pointing out the alleged hypocrisy by the political left in the United States.

On the other hand, the left leaning media channels are doing two things: highlighting the alleged differences which makes Biden's case less serious than Trump's and also reporting the fact Biden's case also has been appointed to a special council leaded by a Republican prosecutor.

Also, Trump is accusing prosecutor Jack Smith of being a radical leftist/Democrat, on Thruth social.

[BADecker]

Here is some more reason why to get rid of the classified documents idea.


Controlling Forces Determined To Rule America, Part 1


https://newswithviews.com/controlling-forces-determined-to-rule-america-part-1/
I began to see evidence of that in the late 60s with the mindset of my generation. I realized immediately that if they get their way they wouldn't be able to protest the way they were. I couldn't convince any of them of that simple logic. What I didn't see at the time is it was the Democrat Party that was the big influence. JFK was still fresh in everybody's mind as well as RFK and MLK.

I am reminded of a speech that JFK gave just days before he was assassinated in 1963. I had been hearing about this speech for decades without really listening to it. I had an understanding of it but I never really thought that our government would allow something like that to happen. Then I became a Republican and as Ronald Reagan said, my eyes were opened. Here is the speech by JFK just days before he died: "The very word secrecy is repugnant in a free and open society. And we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings. But we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covet means for expanding its sphere of influence. On infiltration instead of invasion. On subversion instead of election. On intimidation instead of free choice. It is a system that has conscripted vast human and material resources, in the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. Its preparations are sealed not published. Its mistakes are buried not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced not praised. No expenditure is questioned no secret is revealed. That is why the Athenian lawmaker, Solon, decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. I am confident with your help man will be what he was born to be free and independent."[1]
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