Long-time sig campaign farm ID'd via single wallet transaction

[YOSHIE]

He has different Twitter handles for each account. Could be a treasure trove of new alt connections.

Biggest phenomenon, Alt, which is revealed in 2021.
Most likely more than we thought.

This is another Alt connected to the user @Gimmelfarb, which is the same Alt as @ HarHarHar9965 and @illinest, @figmentofmyass.

1. yeponlyone

Post by: Gimmelfarb

Seems to be a free slot so I apply for that Smiley

Twitter account: https://twitter.com/CoinOfBits
Bitcoin Address: 1LHH1jNrnzoEWrrsJ8HNioSGMAmk2qHNMc
Recent Bet: http://luckyb.it/check?txin=a78d07110ebed5881ba10665fcf43fa312ab3020f4beea51dea594c2a93c5fd7:0
Weekly Bonus: Yes

Thank you! Smiley

https://archive.is/wip/jwEkq

Post by: yeponlyone

I was not aware the LuckyBit offered this. The first two posts are a bit confusing but I apply for BADASS:

Posts: 508
BTC address: 1LHH1jNrnzoEWrrsJ8HNioSGMAmk2qHNMc

I will of course change avatar if accepted.

https://archive.is/wip/1VSWg

[bitmover]

If you often make many more than the 50 post maximum, and there is an open spot, I don't see why DS would not be willing to give you a second spot, so that you would be eligible for payment from 100 posts/week, provided the additional 50 posts you make each week have been consistently better than other applicants who were applying for open spots.

The thing is that when Loycev makes 50+x posts, those x posts will most likely be on the same boards and topic he already posted that week.

To maximize the exposure of the cm ad, and the efficiency of their investment, it will be much better to hire different people that will post elsewhere. Even Loyce, who writes all day here, has some posting habits, favorite boards and subjects...

[Lorence.xD]

You really are not kidding. The amount of people I've seen toss their morals to the wind for $$ makes me sorta ill lately.

It is the Internet after all, they know that they wouldn't suffer the repercussions so they can easily throw their morals away. Imagine if this is real life, we would all be civil and all because we are at an arm's reach to get punched when we do something stupid.

[babo]

very very good investigation


you did a huge job, congratulations indeed
as a member of this community I am truly grateful to you

I would ask myself a few questions about how the people who are part of the campaign are chosen..

[GazetaBitcoin]

You really are not kidding. The amount of people I've seen toss their morals to the wind for $$ makes me sorta ill lately.

It is the Internet after all, they know that they wouldn't suffer the repercussions so they can easily throw their morals away.

Fortunately, not all share this opinion.

[ABCbits]

If what nutildah is true, I find this rule-breaking behaviour disrespectful to a long series of actors: firstly, other fellow CM sig campaign participant, @Darkstar_ and even Chipmixer themselves, who directly affected by this bad behaviour. Be in mind that those users were credited with almost 10 BTC during the whole campaign.

The impact is very small compared with the fact Chipmixer accept all coins, including coins from criminal activity (such as randomware and exchange hack)

According to @ddmrddmr Merit Dashboard, I credited 75 merits to exstasie, 24 to figmentofmyass and 6 to squatter. I deeply regret those.

Why regret if the posts you merited are useful/helpful to other member?

[TheBeardedBaby]

Almost everyone are here for the money. If the signature campaigns and the bounties are gone for lets say a year, you'll see the real face of many that pretend they care about the forum. The signature benefits were supposed to be some beer money for the time people spent and enjoy here but the greed has turn this into a business.
 

[LoyceV]

I've made more than the maximum number of posts in most weeks. I didn't get paid for any posts above that, which is fine.

If you often make many more than the 50 post maximum, and there is an open spot, I don't see why DS would not be willing to give you a second spot, so that you would be eligible for payment from 100 posts/week

That would make me look very greedy, which I don't like. I have a good thing going here, I get paid a not insignificant amount for posting on a forum. I'm fine with that

The thing is that when Loycev makes 50+x posts, those x posts will most likely be on the same boards and topic he already posted that week.

True. I've only been Merited on 41 boards

Almost everyone are here for the money.

I admit I'm not here for the girls

The signature benefits were supposed to be some beer money

I'd be continuously drunk if I spend all signature earnings on beer.

[fillippone]

According to @ddmrddmr Merit Dashboard, I credited 75 merits to exstasie, 24 to figmentofmyass and 6 to squatter. I deeply regret those.

Why regret if the posts you merited are useful/helpful to other member?

Why regret merits sent to presumably good posts? This is a non-issue unless you knew that these are cheating accounts (and arguably even then; cheaters can make good posts too except they tend not to do so without getting paid).

Edit - full disclaimer: I sent tons of merits to those accounts, some possibly after I had reasonable suspicions. Not going to apologize.

Although merits signal good effort post, and for sure a cheater can write good effort posts, I regret I unwillingly helped them i their cheat to the system and disrespectful activity here on the forum.
I never had any suspicions about being the same person.
In any case, regretting and apologising are two very different things.

Almost everyone are here for the money. If the signature campaigns and the bounties are gone for lets say a year, you'll see the real face of many that pretend they care about the forum. The signature benefits were supposed to be some beer money for the time people spent and enjoy here but the greed has turn this into a business.
 

As you know I was here before signing in any campaign, and I will still be here after I get kicked out the most scammy campaign.
Sorry, I am here for other reasons: my love for Bitcoin, the protocol, rather than the money. Of course, stacking sats via a campaign is a very nice, welcomed add to this, but what I learnt here is way more valuable.

The thing is that when Loycev makes 50+x posts, those x posts will most likely be on the same boards and topic he already posted that week.

Bitcoin is a difficult subject: it's natural everyone tends to posts on subjects/topics/area he understands the better or where they think they can provide added value.
This is anyway ultimately something that concerns the campaign manager, not other users.
I think anyway that LoyceV is one of the most prolific and diverse-board posters here on the forum: I vaguely remember a table on that and he was topping this with suchmoon on the number of the different board he sourced his merits from.

EDIT: See LoyceV commented on the same quote.

[hilariousetc]

If you often make many more than the 50 post maximum, and there is an open spot, I don't see why DS would not be willing to give you a second spot, so that you would be eligible for payment from 100 posts/week, provided the additional 50 posts you make each week have been consistently better than other applicants who were applying for open spots.

This wouldn't be a good idea and definitely isn't fair to others. I'm sure there are lots of people who can, would or do make more than their paid amount, but if this became a thing there would be a hell of a lot more people trying to go for multiple spots. It's best just to keep it at one per person and if someone makes more than their allotted 50 post maximum then that's not only just a bonus for Chipmixer but also proves that that person isn't posting just to get paid. Either way, I would be very surprised if Darkstar started doing something like this. He might as well just up the maximum post count to 100 or something to make it fairer but 50 post a week is a pretty nice amount and works out to 10 a day 5 days a week. Any more and people would probably start forcing themselves to make more posts which isn't good. 

For clarity, while I do think it should be okay for someone to enroll alts in a signature campaign, I also believe this should either be disclosed (at least privately to the campaign manager), or for there to not be a rule prohibiting this. Enrolling two accounts owned by one person is not something that should be done if the campaign manager is not aware, or if there is a rule prohibiting this.

Most people aren't going to disclose their alts unless it's already public knowledge, but they don't do that because most campaigns strictly prohibit multiple accounts so that's why people keep it on the hush hush. I very much doubt things are going to change regarding that or how people treat 'cheaters' of campaigns. It's best to just not get greedy and keep it to one account per campaign or certainly don't get caught but there's likely always going to be consequences for those that do.

[bitmover]

The thing is that when Loycev makes 50+x posts, those x posts will most likely be on the same boards and topic he already posted that week.

True. I've only been Merited on 41 boards

lol that's quite a lot.

But I don't think you are merited in 41 boards everyweek 

That would be an interesting stat to see. Merited boards per week per user.

I will try to make something like that

[GazetaBitcoin]

Almost everyone are here for the money.

I admit I'm not here for the girls

I don't know about you, but

[JollyGood]

Remember Quickseller accused Hhampuz of scamming, but then changed his username to PrimeNumber7 and completely fooled the campaign manager into thinking he was a different person?   Today it seems everyone is so desperate they throw all their ethics away.  :/

Ethics and morals versus BTC or cash? I think judging by the way things are going in the forum and have been for several years it is clear money/BTC trumps ethics and morals.

There are many a person in the forum here that will gladly throw their grandmother under a bus for the sake of pocketing some cash. I remember the scammers and shills that pumped various scam threads such as Minex and countless others when they knew it was  scam, after we had pointed out it was a scam but they took money from their paymasters and continued to scam newbies and innocent gullible users for the sake of pocketing some cash knowing full and well that those investors would suffer huge losses.

Forum or no forum, mostly it seems morals, values and ethics have no mean nothing when it comes to getting some crypto or cash.

Remember Quickseller accused Hhampuz of scamming, but then changed his username to PrimeNumber7 and completely fooled the campaign manager into thinking he was a different person?   Today it seems everyone is so desperate they throw all their ethics away.  :/

You really are not kidding. The amount of people I've seen toss their morals to the wind for $$ makes me sorta ill lately.

My sentiments exactly.

Almost everyone are here for the money.

I admit I'm not here for the girls

While the system in the forum is set up in such a way that people can make money from it then that will happen. I made over 10,000 posts before I joined my first signature campaign in late 2020, sure not all of my posts were of significance or high quality but overall I believe I contributed positively to the forum more than not then decided I would start earning money while kept on posting. Nothing wrong with that.

Even if there was no way of making money here I would still post if not regularly then definitely from time to time.

[DaveF]

The signature benefits were supposed to be some beer money

I'd be continuously drunk if I spend all signature earnings on beer.

Depends on the beer:
https://leesliquorlv.com/product/sam-adams-utopias/

Anyway back on topic, when I see this happening on the ETH token pump and dump signature of the week although there is work involved in tracking those accounts I always question if it's worth the time and effort.

When you see something like this and the amount of BTC involved the answer is obviously yes.
I just find it kind of interesting that with the amount of jealousy that people have towards the people in the CM campaign that nobody dug it up before. I figured there would be users that went though and crosschecked everything everyone posted and every address used just so they could get someone bounced out and they could get in.

-Dave

[amishmanish]

Wow. Another bunch of skeletons in the closet. @eddie13 asked a lot of good questions and that is what the community should be discussing.

Do you guys hope he stops posting on all of his accounts and goes away forever, or do you think he is still a somewhat valuable member of the community even though he gamed the system to make more coin?

Against hop hopen, I hope he comes back and uses this anonymity to come clean with the story of how he feels about doing this  and shares his thought process about the "ethics" of it all.

Would an admission and apology from him help any?
Where do you think he really stands now?

I don't think an apology means anything. Down the apology route, he can probably as easily exploit the anonymity and attempt a convincing backstory about the pooling of funds.

Also wonder if mods knew this by IP the entire time and kept their mouths shut..

This is important to know. It'll be great if the mods can clarify this.. Whether they actually scrutinize IP logs for wrongdoing?? The least the mods can do is look at the IP logs of those accounts and see for themselves whether it was possible to identify them? This would probably bring some form of closure to those who feel cheated that the most aspirational Sig campaign on the forum was exploited for so long.

Any community needs to set standards as to what is called wrongdoing; what is an exploit and what is ethically wrong. The crypto community has a way to equivocate on a lot of issues concerning ethics as and when it serves them right. All the righteous rage that plenty of newbies and the not-so-articulate here suffer means little to nothing when this sort of a thing happens right under our collective noses.
@nutildah of course deserves all the kudos and merits (and a CM seat) for seeing the pattern.

[hilariousetc]

Against hop hopen, I hope he comes back and uses this anonymity to come clean with the story of how he feels about doing this  and shares his thought process about the "ethics" of it all.

I doubt whatever he says will change anything so it's probably futile offering explanations or excuses. It's hardly a crime what he did and he could have just seen it as having multiple jobs or sources of income. I think the people who want a spot on the campaign might not see it like that but at the end of the day he probably did it just because he could and it's relatively easy money. Would it matter to most if he really needed the money or it was his only source of income? Doubt it.

Also wonder if mods knew this by IP the entire time and kept their mouths shut..

This is important to know. It'll be great if the mods can clarify this.. Whether they actually scrutinize IP logs for wrongdoing?? The least the mods can do is look at the IP logs of those accounts and see for themselves whether it was possible to identify them? This would probably bring some form of closure to those who feel cheated that the most aspirational Sig campaign on the forum was exploited for so long.

Read my above post. It's none of the admins or mods business. Only admins have access to IPs and having multiple accounts isn't against the rules nor would they care about what campaigns they were on so it's not something they would look into and certainly wouldn't share that info. I can guarantee you there have been worse abuses than this gone on in the past and I'm sure there's many more who are doing stuff like this that we don't know about especially in the alt coin campaign world, but it's not something staff would get involved with unless it breaks the rules. All it would take would be to use a proxy for each account and staff would be non the wiser anyway.

[bitmover]

Would it matter to most if he really needed the money or it was his only source of income? Doubt it.

I doubt it would matter as well... He cheated not only the campaing but the other participants of the forum.

He was aware of the risks. And it was worth it.
Even now that those accounts are worthless, he made much more money with multiple accounts than he would make using only 1 account.

 He was able to receive 2x the highest payment campaing in the forum for months... Long term receiving multiple payments from many campaings.


To say it was his only source of income and he needed the money, so he can cheat and the rest of the forum must be understanding is dangerous. There are people in Brazil who tries to justify robbery with the same argument.
What about the people who are legit trying to get one spot, and also need the money and it is their only source of income? I think ethics should always come first.

It is not a crime what he did. But it damaged other users, damaged CM and the campaign manager.

And it is a hell lot of money. He received probably around 2-5 BTC... We are talking about hundred thousand dollars

[pugman]

I won't lie but i loved conversations with exstasie/figmentofmyass/squatter. They were extremely useful and helpful users of bitcointalk.

...why WHY did you have to cheat with alts 

This fiasco reminds of the whole warningsigns situation, HE WAS SUCH A GOOD POSTER. He scammed condoras and ran away . Fuck man they were some of the elite level posters of BTT. why am i saying they, ITS A SINGLE PERSONkh grhjscbjakd

PS. I cant grammar today.

[malevolent]

To say it was his only source of income and he needed the money, so he can cheat and the rest of the forum must be understanding is dangerous. There are people in Brazil who tries to justify robbery with the same argument.

Are you really comparing using alts to go around campaign rules to a violent crime?

What about the people who are legit trying to get one spot, and also need the money and it is their only source of income? I think ethics should always come first.

Well, if someone treats it as a job (keep in mind that ChipMixer doesn't even have weekly post minimums), they're on the wrong forum. And relying on a potentially ephemeral sig campaign as a sole mean of income is financially foolish, to say the least. Theymos could theoretically one day straight up ban signatures, what is such a person going to do then?

It is not a crime what he did. But it damaged other users, damaged CM and the campaign manager.

Considering the fact that he was undiscovered for three years, no one reported him for spamming or posting low quality posts, no mod or admin banned him, the campaign manager kept paying him, and ChipMixer themselves happily continued on making payments, it's hard to speak of any damage.

And it is a hell lot of money. He received probably around 2-5 BTC... We are talking about hundred thousand dollars

Way more than '2-5 BTC'. Remember, he tended to make close to 50 posts per week for three years, on two, sometimes three of his accounts.

[fillippone]

And it is a hell lot of money. He received probably around 2-5 BTC... We are talking about hundred thousand dollars

Way more than '2-5 BTC'. Remember, he tended to make close to 50 posts per week for three years, on two, sometimes three of his accounts.

According to my back of the envelope computations:

Code:

figmentofmyass	3.693
exstasie	3.857
squatter	2.01

For a total of 9.56 BTC.
I don't care if it is too much of too low if those btcs came from exchange hacks or not.
This is money they stole from other people who didn't get into the campaign simply because they broke the rules.