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February 04, 2021, 02:31:16 PM
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Democracy is the dictatorship of the stupid, equally as bad as any dictatorship, marginally better than communism.
No-one has right to rule over anyone else.
Everyone has right to rule over his Bitcoin keys and thats that.

Oh imagine the following scenario:

your neighbors in a number of 5 people decide to go to your house and tell you to take your clothes and take your ass... your neighbors are very strong and you don't have the strength to deal with them, that's why you give your ass

how do you expect to resolve this situation without the police? will you kill all your neighbors? you may have remorse for years and a relative of your neighbor will take revenge and the cycle of revenge will never end

This is an example that we need laws, governments, the police and this whole system even if it is a system where there is a lot of corruption and cases of injustice, without it the world would be worse

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February 04, 2021, 04:45:40 PM
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February 06, 2021, 04:00:33 AM
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And it just getting worse. They have blocked Facebook, Twitter and Instagram for Myanmar citizens until "further notice".

Sources:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55923486
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55960284

However, they haven't blocked Telegram, Whatsapp, Reddit, Discord, Uptrennd and other similar platforms yet. Myanmar citizens should turn on decentralized social media and other platforms where it's impossible for the military coup to block them even if they order the telecoms in doing so.

I just hope they don't ban their citizens from crypto-related activities there.

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February 06, 2021, 12:27:43 PM
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.....Myanmar citizens should turn on decentralized social media and other platforms....
Other than powping what you recommended? Have to start getting on top of things

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February 06, 2021, 12:43:13 PM
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we really cannot judge the leader for doing this. Because first of all, being a leader of a cpuntry is never easy and if sometimes, there is a threat which requires greater control over the citizens of that country which would have more pros than cons, then such decision is just. A coin always has two sides, im just looking at the situation in an even perspective. But of course, if the people are heing taken advantage of, then by all means this should not be allowed to happen.
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February 07, 2021, 12:13:33 PM
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.....Myanmar citizens should turn on decentralized social media and other platforms....
Other than powping what you recommended? Have to start getting on top of things

It's very hard for us to say from far away what the people should do. Once the military takes over it is hard to fight against it. They have all the power. In my opinion the pressure should come from abroad. Best would be to have the UN to force general elections. Not through military threats but economic ones. There could be financially support if the country becomes a democracy.
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February 07, 2021, 12:41:21 PM
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It's very hard for us to say from far away what the people should do. Once the military takes over it is hard to fight against it. They have all the power. In my opinion the pressure should come from abroad. Best would be to have the UN to force general elections. Not through military threats but economic ones. There could be financially support if the country becomes a democracy.

Outside intervention will only make it worse. One of the arguments put forward by the military is that Suu Kyi is a western puppet (the fact that her late husband Michael Aris was a British national doesn't help much). Now if the Western nations make this a proxy battle between China and the NATO, then things will get complicated. Suu Kyi enjoys widespread support among the Bamar majority, while the military is supported by the Sangha and the Chinese. My guess is that the military won't be able to hold on to power for too long, with Suu Kyi and NLD commanding such a level of support. So even without any foreign intervention, the military coup will be undone soon. Now western interference will only complicate matters further.
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Myanmar is not a country I know too much about, so I did some research due to the coup. This Al Jazeera documentary from a couple years ago is pretty interesting. It sounds like the military was already mostly in charge, and over the last years they've joined with the Buddhist monks to create something of a Buddhist theocracy, similar to some other countries in the region. Even in 2019 it sounded like Aung San Suu Kyi didn't have all that much influence. In the documentary they partially blamed her for the Rohingya oppression, but in hindsight it seems possible that she was just never in a strong enough position to do much.

Is anyone here from Myanmar? I wonder what it's like on the ground there.

But it would be very helpful to hit them with a brigade of sanctions on both their country as a whole and top people to try to make them fall from within.

Did that help with Cuba, Iran, or North Korea? Sanctions often just give the regime someone to blame, and it's the poor who are hurt the most from them.

Quick Aside before I go into the meat of it - How is pod save the world? Been looking into a new podcast that goes in depth into things and it keeps coming up, but curious on what sort of slant I’ll be getting with it.

They have a heavy neoliberal bias. Similar to FiveThirtyEight, whose podcast I do listen to, but Pod Save the World is much lighter on real info, so I don't find it worth the bias. For in-depth US news, I recommend C-SPAN's podcasts: Washington Today, The Weekly, and After Words. (I don't know of a good one for in-depth world news.)

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February 09, 2021, 02:05:41 PM
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Myanmar is not a country I know too much about, so I did some research due to the coup. This Al Jazeera documentary from a couple years ago is pretty interesting. It sounds like the military was already mostly in charge, and over the last years they've joined with the Buddhist monks to create something of a Buddhist theocracy, similar to some other countries in the region. Even in 2019 it sounded like Aung San Suu Kyi didn't have all that much influence. In the documentary they partially blamed her for the Rohingya oppression, but in hindsight it seems possible that she was just never in a strong enough position to do much.

Is anyone here from Myanmar? I wonder what it's like on the ground there.

But it would be very helpful to hit them with a brigade of sanctions on both their country as a whole and top people to try to make them fall from within.

Did that help with Cuba, Iran, or North Korea? Sanctions often just give the regime someone to blame, and it's the poor who are hurt the most from them.

Quick Aside before I go into the meat of it - How is pod save the world? Been looking into a new podcast that goes in depth into things and it keeps coming up, but curious on what sort of slant I’ll be getting with it.

They have a heavy neoliberal bias. Similar to FiveThirtyEight, whose podcast I do listen to, but Pod Save the World is much lighter on real info, so I don't find it worth the bias. For in-depth US news, I recommend C-SPAN's podcasts: Washington Today, The Weekly, and After Words. (I don't know of a good one for in-depth world news.)

Will totally take a look at the Al Jazeera documentary, sounds very interesting.

Sanctions may not be amazing and glamorous, but there isn’t really a lot an outside country can do to put pressure on another outside of sanctions. Guess you could freeze assets of people at the top of the military in Myanmar, but that’s typically done alongside sanctions and can only help when the people are storing money at international banks that will listen to US intervention. Totally gives the regime someone to blame, but it does make people within the country angry which could set off a revolution of some sort.

Writing those podcasts down to take a listen to. Not trying to add more neoliberal bias stuff to my feed, get enough of that everyday.

Protests are being seen around the country now though, and they’re all about installing Aung San Suu Kyi back into leadership. People are being arrested, shot at, and being told that if they continue to protest then they’re ‘breaking democracy’ very funny.




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Short little update: Biden admin has announced sanctions on the military leaders who directed the coup where they’ve frozen their assets and money that was held by the Burmese government in the United States. Seems to be some export controls as well into the country.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/10/politics/biden-myanmar-coup-sanctions/index.html

Curious on if this is enough pressure of if we’re going to need a concentrated effort by US allies to sanction them (which I expect to be the case)




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February 10, 2021, 11:46:38 PM
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Short little update: Biden admin has announced sanctions on the military leaders who directed the coup where they’ve frozen their assets and money that was held by the Burmese government in the United States. Seems to be some export controls as well into the country.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/10/politics/biden-myanmar-coup-sanctions/index.html

Curious on if this is enough pressure of if we’re going to need a concentrated effort by US allies to sanction them (which I expect to be the case)

One interesting thing I picked up on from Ronald Bernard's interviews were that international sanctions are one of the main ways to get money moved into and out of the shadow banking system.  When he mentioned this it got me thinking about various observations and memories of the 10 years of sanctions on Iraq and the like.  His suggestion fits pretty well actually.

I have less confidence in who/what Bernard is than I have in the generals (and specifics) of stories he tells.  Many of them have great explanatory power.  And there are a variety of reasons why having fake people tell real stories could be of certain uses.  I have seen nothing which really convinces me that he is _not_ more-or-less legit either.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w12IksIQQn0


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