[ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins

[whalemixer1]

this balance are in an address that is connected to our API in the system. We are able to see the available balance in realtime so we know how much coins are able to dispense.

As I mentioned in PM when you demanded I remove your negative trust, have one of your partners sign an address holding at least 10btc.  If they refuse, you are being scammed and if you refuse, you are the scammer.

We hold around 50 BTC in total reserve of mined coins for this

Or sign that one...

Hi VOD,

I requested not demand because we were accused of something without proper checking. accusing is easy but without prove is abit not fair. have you used the services to make such claims ?

we are not able to sign an address as it will compromise the quality of mixing as the address will be known to public. This effects the mixing anonymity.

 

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[whalemixer1]

So we got a couple of quick reviews, all written 2 days ago from one medium account about the Best Top 5 Cryptocurrency Tumbler (Reliable Bitcoin Mixer 2020/2021) and the 4 Reliable Working Bitcoin mixer/blender 2021 and guess what? A brand new and lesser known Whalemixer is among them. Fishy.

Apparently our marketing outsource is doing their job.
We spent some on hiring marketing team and looks like they came up with this kind of strategy, and more will be coming as well.
I am impressed with their work. This actually appeared on google search ? impressive .... very impressive
Thats why we are having a higher volume on our mixing this past few days... We were wondering where this traffic were coming from. 

[whalemixer1]

So... what is happening that I sent $30 over 3 hours ago, the tx already has 25 confirmations and the status page shows the following?

Amount Received
0 Bitcoin

Status
Waiting For Funds

Current Confirmation
0 out of 4

Hi there,

our mixing is random timed, please check after few hours as we dont set a specific timing on when you get the mixed funds, rather its random delay to enhance mixing quality.

Say you mix and set a delay, and receive funds at that set delay... a blockchain forensics can easily co relate this 2 transaction and point that this was the mixed funds.

rather our system is random delay so there is no way to co relate the sender and receiver. please check if the funds has entered after few hours . else please do contact us or update the forum .

Thank you for using our services and as appreciation on using our services , we giving you USD 15 - kindly send your BTC address
We are happy to see our users of our platform since we dont hear from them after a mix since its all anonymous.

[whalemixer1]

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whalemixer1

There are many mixers that bitcointalk members have used and reviewed (as I have done myself).  The above members are very knowledgeable, and you should consider listening to them.  There have been a lot of BTC mixer scams over these many years since I joined this forum.

Yes!  A service to provide coins direct from miners could be very popular.  Clean coins at a good price, oh yeah.

Because of the many, many problems with scammers, trust needs to be earned here.  The above suggestions are good ones.  It would not cost you much to offer some special deals or signed messages, perhaps by Private Message to some of the above.  LeGaulois, Vod, dkbit98 and mocacinno are all trusted members here; ALL of whom I have learned from.

Like I said, your service could become very popular, but you have to make the first moves to begin to gain trust here.  If you do it right (do what you promise, show some transparency, etc.), your service could make you a lot of money and make your customers happy.

"Your move, sirs."

Thank you for the kind words and advice,

We are not able to sign off blocks as they will reveal our holding account of our BTC which couls be used by blockchain forensics. We like to keep our fresh coins safe from forensics.

Yes i agree , fresh coins are more safer than mixing coins since the trace is fully detached.

Maybe the only way is getting feedback from people that has used the services and keeping a 0 negative report for a long time will eventually create the trust.

We have all the time as we are already in the biz since 2020 and we are just new in this forum. It will take time i guess to get trust from this platform.

Once again. Thank you for the good words

[TryNinja]

our mixing is random timed, please check after few hours as we dont set a specific timing on when you get the mixed funds, rather its random delay to enhance mixing quality.

I'm aware of that, but it shouldn't say "waiting for funds", "0 BTC received" or "0 out of 4 confirmations" when I had a tx with 30+ confirmations.

Anyways, I received my coins. I decided to use two addresses expecting to receive two different transactions, but everything was sent at once on a single pay-to-many transaction. Here is the transaction for those who are curious about where the coins come from and want to verify if they are really fresh uncirculated coins which comes from miners holdings: a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a

Some other things I noticed:

- You can write pretty much anything you want on the address field (e.g AAAAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBB)
- There is no mention to fees anywhere on the website, yet I sent 0.00082702 BTC and received 0.00066796 BTC (~80%). I know you have to pay for the transaction fees, etc... but how much was the mining fees and how much was your service fee? There is no way of knowing.
- Your BTC "available fresh coins" went down from 5283.26 to 4146.24; Are you really implying that you mixed 1137.02 BTC on a single day? lol

[mocacinno]

our mixing is random timed, please check after few hours as we dont set a specific timing on when you get the mixed funds, rather its random delay to enhance mixing quality.

--snip--
Anyways, I received my coins. I decided to use two addresses expecting to receive two different transactions, but everything was sent at once on a single pay-to-many transaction. Here is the transaction for those who are curious about where the coins come from and want to verify if they are really fresh uncirculated coins which comes from miners holdings: a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a
--snip--

You are MUCH braver than I am... I'd never use my own funds to test a new mixer
Anyways.... Let's get cracking...
level #1 => transaction a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a used as input:
9840051b37ae9e979526fb744c6ae222eeee0aafdad176400c82dcbf55a65733:1

level #2 => transaction 9840051b37ae9e979526fb744c6ae222eeee0aafdad176400c82dcbf55a65733 used as input:
8b09f9702a90270769872af44bc5f6db1d7658b48ac62e1d50ebc7d1df6c8f46:2

level #3 => transaction 8b09f9702a90270769872af44bc5f6db1d7658b48ac62e1d50ebc7d1df6c8f46 used as input:
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level #4 => transaction 746d1dfb24afd3c4322f003b9c78a21f062ee307ed970fbc043d98ee4655201c used as input:
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level #5 => transaction a88c84f418796d540615ca6b4acfc1ed2f23460430b0d6640e615fc1a04d4a80 used as input:
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level #6 => transaction 5f357c4369d74f38f8a7230b497b5a7c20741a97c3744571422407d7dca70f05 used as input:
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level #7 => transaction 83ea3e871ecc9cec72c498f3d8698646c9aa9bdef82dd3991bbc58bfd49b6e0f used as input:
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level #8 => transaction 317c506231050fb91e28280879341c558ae13721526e3da5c40f8bcd0b9c0993 used as input:
8bad716ea8b1d939cc65ef0755c9a4cdda16b0e214777c048306803660f07079:0

level #9 => transaction 8bad716ea8b1d939cc65ef0755c9a4cdda16b0e214777c048306803660f07079 used as input:
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level #10 => transaction 790b6b5288ee7aa8f461cc508a0cd66df759cf942d28e73fd2b36eb1ab9fb32b used as input:
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level #11 => transaction 18a6e8f710c4940fee550d391a0d6866f28d055e4c64ba9345a911b46500f485 used as inputs:
1c622ba3a6ded9f180bbf8635f0ff5cad7f64bf863a89d01da9be3e54ba96524:0
33e5ba37967cd58803f2590eb7654ad52e16ba47563d2585fa163f46f04c290a:0

level #12 => transaction 1c622ba3a6ded9f180bbf8635f0ff5cad7f64bf863a89d01da9be3e54ba96524 used as input:
a81ee1934b2cc6b68aa939a964dfaa399f6b9ff9b55f8087ef722a0514547bd2:0
level #12 => transaction 33e5ba37967cd58803f2590eb7654ad52e16ba47563d2585fa163f46f04c290a used as input:
b6bf82a4e70a23d98897399c798c336e984a85a9b3871b63d37ead9b2270ef37:1
ff6a05c3173e32af280b37ad0cd6c65e0d0a9610f0305db5876da1a98a0414d4:1
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b6e996d68692dd3da2707ba2b4e07cc5f6607e30753c151431014c57a4a696d5:1
2a5813d2ff438ca7625826fc387961a457e1738643fb63ef1d8f1af199d04dd6:33
2e5a7d68c091176b819eeb4ac36237d5c7c2890fa41350a717df425c60989fd6:0
4ad980c1ce1c95393136c4c36da035bf6425465f4d0ab759fbbd7ba7016fccd6:0
bf080035ff8f7106f2efb2cbbc67a0f0492da7848d3e89525d6b818b43662fd8:0
42cb94dee128fb1dded2fd279cf8ce303ffbea89254420b2e025aadf579a47d8:0
c1830baa88e307a07ac61e1b2a6ee45a25e787409027065ffe9f1f86caf592d8:0
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c3e338e90d582a653be31931d7a72315dabb21271df0d957e8cf7e1aba3016d9:0
1c963fd0959f748d09bbc72b687f2d471f1965247cbfa17ae7f7cca2cd7da1d9:0
6471334c1ad153f054158a8b6dc584d984b79fcd82a3fb4950dafcd3717ad6d9:0
cbfd628721e0a6d9dde57ec8e03491dbba51ebd06ee677f8a64b7b55b9ce62da:20
39f4537e0fdf241502b3aaea7f7735b9f95788aec8261f13e0019550f86c98da:0
9a192cf2658e83a8a506001de0f5f7ecd4f6c3acc9478af033823352a11547db:1
=> I'm not going to analyse the inputs of tx 33e5ba37967cd58803f2590eb7654ad52e16ba47563d2585fa163f46f04c290a  any further... It's clear these inputs have NOTHING to do with freshly minted coins!!!!

level #13 => transaction a81ee1934b2cc6b68aa939a964dfaa399f6b9ff9b55f8087ef722a0514547bd2 used as input:
a24728190eb23b8d0b32da6a6659677920e45fe5fbb35219973c73c4b9c6492b:0

level #14 => transaction a24728190eb23b8d0b32da6a6659677920e45fe5fbb35219973c73c4b9c6492b used as input:
bfbf788c735112a890e7759e73cc82eadcf15ee06a8f9d715a76fb7fa6ca7d8e:0

level #15 => transaction bfbf788c735112a890e7759e73cc82eadcf15ee06a8f9d715a76fb7fa6ca7d8e used as input:
d38134311a4d333fec9a247515edcd86c02510013c9bc4d5f6c467c777a32065:0

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level #27 => transaction 2f513ec3e30c2886ded6ed71813035ebd508c0d69f01246a20067a0c55246254 used as inputs:
d23219401019cf9194c189df40ee3dcac8e4f65eafa51f060edec4b19fff0a64:0
40c4f80e9d974044ab577c94b25e7094f2ea51320879c521d7e68dd2f0409580:0
transaction 40c4f80e9d974044ab577c94b25e7094f2ea51320879c521d7e68dd2f0409580 at level #30 uses inputs from another transaction merging another 7 unspent outputs so i dropped it =>it's clear these inputs have NOTHING to do with freshly minted coins!!!!

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level #42 => transaction 0f38f1513a3a5d4e964ffa532d4c81d24d1f2ca584d2754ef03be3fa972ce0f7 uses as inputs:
1c175b876e397430ca886531c2736509c2ecbafa49b594774f7e6181bd35d601:0
1bbd8e351dd457fd4c0b475a2bbc264d63848aa418c2227524742cec42e7d8a5:0
transaction 1bbd8e351dd457fd4c0b475a2bbc264d63848aa418c2227524742cec42e7d8a5 level #43 uses inputs from another transaction merging another 22 unspent outputs so i dropped it =>it's clear these inputs have NOTHING to do with freshly minted coins!!!!

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level #71 => transaction 31aa98b7bbc21561b94e332f3309fc208962339fbe1b8b934f75b816b37e8826 uses as inputs:
d22f7f5225bb3765f94141d0b922798f61999f527692a5aed59ccb1408d1d139:0
44781f270777a69f5404b83dc18981bf7f11f21b0d6c4ba100cbca21cc0da187:0
transaction 44781f270777a69f5404b83dc18981bf7f11f21b0d6c4ba100cbca21cc0da187 level #72 uses inputs from another transaction merging another 25 unspent outputs so i dropped it =>it's clear these inputs have NOTHING to do with freshly minted coins!!!!

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level #93 => transaction 4fadec75ca27f594560a84ee8b78f4fbea507227126fb286e8efca9897c73240 uses as inputs:
3c453a898adf98e1fa2688f16109acd6b96853a6784994089d6f2faa7a4e9de2:0
7e2191784780c350b607c42fef384711976a9ea11b7b71338ccb36c4c302e1e2:0
transaction 7e2191784780c350b607c42fef384711976a9ea11b7b71338ccb36c4c302e1e2 level #94 uses inputs from another transaction merging another 39 unspent outputs so i dropped it =>it's clear these inputs have NOTHING to do with freshly minted coins!!!!

level #100 => transaction 4b9848889b60ce6c1311ebb8c43341a91560a20b35fc836dec926e349fd354ca

The pattern is clear:

• one unspent output used to to batch pay multiple receivers, change going to a change address.
• unspent output funding change address used as input for the next batch payment
• when the value of the unspent output funding the change address becomes to little, the wallet is topped up with ~1 BTC. Not frenshly minted coinbase rewards tough, but just a big transaction merging "dust". I tried following some transaction chains from these merging transactions, but no coinbase rewards either

OP: are you sure about your chinese and russian partners? For a 20% fee you should be???
If you promise your customers they'll receive their mixed funds in coinbase rewards, i shouldn't have to dig 100 levels deep, and still not find a single block reward...

At this point i'm tempted to call your business model debunked... If you can proof you're actually using coinbase rewards, please do so... Because i don't want to be accused of blackmailing you i don't want to see the proof tough... Find somebody else in case you want to make a valid case.

[dkbit98]

So we got a couple of quick reviews, all written 2 days ago from one medium account about the Best Top 5 Cryptocurrency Tumbler (Reliable Bitcoin Mixer 2020/2021) and the 4 Reliable Working Bitcoin mixer/blender 2021 and guess what? A brand new and lesser known Whalemixer is among them. Fishy.

Same person Rebecca Simon Teller has never written anything else and both articles are written in the same day with lot of space given for whalemixer.
What else is strange? Not a single word in this articles is written about best and well known mixing service Chipmixer
archive1, archive2

...

Good work, and it looks like there are no fresh coins here but just more false claims made by them.

And what to say about over 1130 less Bitcoins in one day...
one day 5279.07 Bitcoins, day after 4145.99 Bitcoins (on screen)

[whalemixer1]

our mixing is random timed, please check after few hours as we dont set a specific timing on when you get the mixed funds, rather its random delay to enhance mixing quality.

I'm aware of that, but it shouldn't say "waiting for funds", "0 BTC received" or "0 out of 4 confirmations" when I had a tx with 30+ confirmations.

Anyways, I received my coins. I decided to use two addresses expecting to receive two different transactions, but everything was sent at once on a single pay-to-many transaction. Here is the transaction for those who are curious about where the coins come from and want to verify if they are really fresh uncirculated coins which comes from miners holdings: a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a

Some other things I noticed:

- You can write pretty much anything you want on the address field (e.g AAAAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBB)
- There is no mention to fees anywhere on the website, yet I sent 0.00082702 BTC and received 0.00066796 BTC (~80%). I know you have to pay for the transaction fees, etc... but how much was the mining fees and how much was your service fee? There is no way of knowing.
- Your BTC "available fresh coins" went down from 5283.26 to 4146.24; Are you really implying that you mixed 1137.02 BTC on a single day? lol

I am glad you tested our services and the workabouts.


and the reason for waiting for funds , This is also a security feature. When there is no evidence that a coin is received, there is no evidence to mention that the coin received is any part of the coins sent. we delete logs every 24 hours, in event anythings happens during this period, there will not be any evidence ,

we have many other security in place such as 2 talkless database to serve as decoy in event the main database is compromised. Our second database takes that info from the first database and replace irrelevent data on the info on first database to serve as decoy... yeah our developers are genius much ( things we detail to ensure fullest security for our clients)

As for the miners fee , you can check on the blockchain how much was paid , we do not collect more than 1%-2.99% the average is around USD 2-4 / address at this time

As for the available coins, when a request is made , we allocate certain amount for that mix , this balance will get refreshed after 24 hours. We have over 700 request today with around 200 actual mixing performed. plus the actuall amount balance from our miners has reduced. We are a little worried since of the fresh coins are no more available... we will be out of business , as we are already having trouble getting litecoin for almost 3 weeks now.

Thank you for using our services

[whalemixer1]

our mixing is random timed, please check after few hours as we dont set a specific timing on when you get the mixed funds, rather its random delay to enhance mixing quality.

--snip--
Anyways, I received my coins. I decided to use two addresses expecting to receive two different transactions, but everything was sent at once on a single pay-to-many transaction. Here is the transaction for those who are curious about where the coins come from and want to verify if they are really fresh uncirculated coins which comes from miners holdings: a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a
--snip--

You are MUCH braver than I am... I'd never use my own funds to test a new mixer
Anyways.... Let's get cracking...

This coins are not directly from the miners account and surely not mined realtime and sent to clients , that will compromise the miners and easy to trace the origin. Rather this coins are broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged.  however this coins are has not been circulated , If it has many levels deep, its due to transaction fees paid to miners thats mixed in this coins. 

We can ensure that this coins are not circulated rather broken into smaller accounts either by our partners or our own mechanism to ensure safety of the mixing.

Can u see the flaws if we directly send coins thats minted directly without mixing it and breaking it to smaller amount ? Yes , if one address is compromised, all gets compromised. Thats the reason why we age the coins and break it smaller and mix it before dispensing to our clients.

[whalemixer1]

So we got a couple of quick reviews, all written 2 days ago from one medium account about the Best Top 5 Cryptocurrency Tumbler (Reliable Bitcoin Mixer 2020/2021) and the 4 Reliable Working Bitcoin mixer/blender 2021 and guess what? A brand new and lesser known Whalemixer is among them. Fishy.

Same person Rebecca Simon Teller has never written anything else and both articles are written in the same day with lot of space given for whalemixer.
What else is strange? Not a single word in this articles is written about best and well known mixing service Chipmixer
archive1, archive2

...

Good work

And what to say about over 1130 less Bitcoins in one day...
one day 5279.07 Bitcoins, day after 4145.99 Bitcoins (on screen)

As for the available coins, when a request is made , we allocate certain amount for that mix , this balance will get refreshed after 24 hours. We have over 700 request today with around 200 actual mixing performed. plus the actuall amount balance from our miners has reduced. We are a little worried since of the fresh coins are no more available... we will be out of business , as we are already having trouble getting litecoin for almost 3 weeks now.

Apparently our marketing outsource is doing their job. Rebecca Simon Teller
We spent some on hiring marketing team and looks like they came up with this kind of strategy, and more will be coming as well.
I am impressed with their work. This actually appeared on google search ? impressive .... very impressive
Thats why we are having a higher volume on our mixing this past few days... We were wondering where this traffic were coming from.

This coins are not directly from the miners account and surely not mined realtime and sent to clients , that will compromise the miners and easy to trace the origin. Rather this coins are broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged.  however this coins are has not been circulated , If it has many levels deep, its due to transaction fees paid to miners thats mixed in this coins. 

We can ensure that this coins are not circulated rather broken into smaller accounts either by our partners or our own mechanism to ensure safety of the mixing.

Can u see the flaws if we directly send coins thats minted directly without mixing it and breaking it to smaller amount ? Yes , if one address is compromised, all gets compromised. Thats the reason why we age the coins and break it smaller and mix it before dispensing to our clients.

[mocacinno]

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This coins are not directly from the miners account and surely not mined realtime and sent to clients , that will compromise the miners and easy to trace the origin. Rather this coins are broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged.  however this coins are has not been circulated , If it has many levels deep, its due to transaction fees paid to miners thats mixed in this coins.  

We can ensure that this coins are not circulated rather broken into smaller accounts either by our partners or our own mechanism to ensure safety of the mixing.

Can u see the flaws if we directly send coins thats minted directly without mixing it and breaking it to smaller amount ? Yes , if one address is compromised, all gets compromised. Thats the reason why we age the coins and break it smaller and mix it before dispensing to our clients.

Sorry, but i don't see a flaw in sending directly minted coins... If your miners use a fresh address to get funded by the coinbase rewards, there is nothing to trace or compromise... If You would have used the coinbase reward and payed mixing outputs using this reward only i wouldn't have been able to trace back > 100 levels deep, my trace would have stopped at the coinbase reward, and i would only have been able to link the clients that had been payed with the same reward together, but now i would have been able to link every client that has been payed > 100 levels deep...

You say that the freshly minted coins are "broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged". This basically means that the people using the (thirth party) mixer used to MIX their coinbase reward received freshly minted coins... Your customers just receive post-mix unspent outputs that could potentially be linked to criminal activity instead of mining... This makes you a normal mixer, not a mixer where your clients will receive coinbase rewards.

Your business promises people "fresh coins", not outputs from a different mixer.

[hugeblack]

  however this coins are has not been circulated , If it has many levels deep, its due to transaction fees paid to miners thats mixed in this coins. 

Why did you mention that the coin is fresh as long as it has been mixed up? This means that it may have been mixed with unknown sources.
Can you prove any claim with your site?

Coins are freshly mixed from our mining farms

Receiving and sending databases are saparated

 

According to your TOS:  https://whalemixer.com/termsofuse/

WhaleMixer has no access to your cryptocurrency wallets used for sending or receiving crypto coins. The responsibility for the use of your wallets lies solely with you.

You say that data is deleted within 24 hours, yet you do not receive or send money?

[whalemixer1]

--snip--
This coins are not directly from the miners account and surely not mined realtime and sent to clients , that will compromise the miners and easy to trace the origin. Rather this coins are broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged.  however this coins are has not been circulated , If it has many levels deep, its due to transaction fees paid to miners thats mixed in this coins.  

We can ensure that this coins are not circulated rather broken into smaller accounts either by our partners or our own mechanism to ensure safety of the mixing.

Can u see the flaws if we directly send coins thats minted directly without mixing it and breaking it to smaller amount ? Yes , if one address is compromised, all gets compromised. Thats the reason why we age the coins and break it smaller and mix it before dispensing to our clients.

Sorry, but i don't see a flaw in sending directly minted coins... If your miners use a fresh address to get funded by the coinbase rewards, there is nothing to trace or compromise... If You would have used the coinbase reward and payed mixing outputs using this reward only i wouldn't have been able to trace back > 100 levels deep, my trace would have stopped at the coinbase reward, and i would only have been able to link the clients that had been payed with the same reward together, but now i would have been able to link every client that has been payed > 100 levels deep...

You say that the freshly minted coins are "broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged". This basically means that the people using the (thirth party) mixer used to MIX their coinbase reward received freshly minted coins... Your customers just receive post-mix unspent outputs that could potentially be linked to criminal activity instead of mining... This makes you a normal mixer, not a mixer where your clients will receive coinbase rewards.

Your business promises people "fresh coins", not outputs from a different mixer.

The reason we mix the coins internally within fresh coins is so that say we send out to 2 clients with the same block reward, the 1st party will know who the 2nd party is.
By doing an internal mixing to avoid this to ensure safety. At this level none of the clients can see another clients because this dust transactions gets mixed again with other fresh coins before dispensing again. Old coins are used for different purpose and never used in remixing again, only fresh coins are broken into smaller amount after mixing.

forensic can never find the actual sender by this mechanism and another client can never find the other clients address too.

if you find a 100 level deep transaction, it is the miner fee for the transaction mixed along with this dust .

we promise fresh coins but its aged and mixed with only fresh coins. we never mix with dirty clients coins

hope this explains our mechanism

[whalemixer1]

  however this coins are has not been circulated , If it has many levels deep, its due to transaction fees paid to miners thats mixed in this coins. 

Why did you mention that the coin is fresh as long as it has been mixed up? This means that it may have been mixed with unknown sources.
Can you prove any claim with your site?

Coins are freshly mixed from our mining farms

Receiving and sending databases are saparated

 

According to your TOS:  https://whalemixer.com/termsofuse/

WhaleMixer has no access to your cryptocurrency wallets used for sending or receiving crypto coins. The responsibility for the use of your wallets lies solely with you.

You say that data is deleted within 24 hours, yet you do not receive or send money?

NO NO NO, our coins are mixed within our fresh coins only. Then broken down into smaller account holdings and after sending the coins , it gets mixed with other fresh coins and broken down again to smaller accounts. WE STRICTLY DO NOT MIX FUNDS FROM THE DIRTY COINS , that will reveal the sender and receiver . Thats a big no for the security of our system.

Yes our TOS means that your wallet is your wallet. We only send to your wallet address but have no control over your private key or your wallet holdings including reusing it, redistributing the address or even passing to any 3rd party. it will defy the purpose of the mixer itself. ALL LOGS ARE DESTROYED IN 24 HOURS or you can choose to delete it manually after receiving the funds ...

As for our 2 talkless database , we have many other security in place such as 2 talkless database to serve as decoy in event the main database is compromised. Our second database takes that info from the first database and replace irrelevent data on the info on first database to serve as decoy... yeah our developers are genius much ( things we detail to ensure fullest security for our clients)

[whalemixer1]

So we got a couple of quick reviews, all written 2 days ago from one medium account about the Best Top 5 Cryptocurrency Tumbler (Reliable Bitcoin Mixer 2020/2021) and the 4 Reliable Working Bitcoin mixer/blender 2021 and guess what? A brand new and lesser known Whalemixer is among them. Fishy.

Same person Rebecca Simon Teller has never written anything else and both articles are written in the same day with lot of space given for whalemixer.
What else is strange? Not a single word in this articles is written about best and well known mixing service Chipmixer
archive1, archive2

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Good work, and it looks like there are no fresh coins here but just more false claims made by them.

And what to say about over 1130 less Bitcoins in one day...
one day 5279.07 Bitcoins, day after 4145.99 Bitcoins (on screen)

Hi there , we never claimed we have 5000 plus BTC
We can get this from our available BTC from our partners, in form of fresh coins
This is the amount available to be mixed,
I have mentioned in our forum that we hold ard 50 BTC
plz review the trust posted ..

[mocacinno]

Ok, I keep making exactly the same point, and your explanation is defenately not good enough for me.

You keep saying that the way your mixer works makes it impossible for clients to discover other client's funds, what i see is one unspent output being re-used and re-used and re-used in transactions with one input creating >= 2 unspent outputs. Since TryNinja told us that his 2 addresses were funded with the same transaction, I can only assume you're batching transactions to save on fees and you are using one wallet to pay out your customers. It looks a lot like you're topping off said wallet from an unknown source, maybe an exchange, maybe dirty funds from previous clients, but it defenatly doesnt look like coinbase rewards to me.
Offcourse, it's possible most of those transactions are internal transactions created to hide traces, but the way they're built, the mixing of the script types, the number of outputs,... makes me believe i'm right... Especially since TryNinja's both addresses were funded using exactly the same transaction.. It would be an incredible coincidence if his addresses were funded using one and the same transaction, making it very easy to link them together, but other client's privacy would be well protected?

You claim this source is "fresh coins", but no matter how deep i dig, i cannot find a coinbase reward popping up. You're selling "fresh coins", not mixed coins. On the other hand, you're delivering mixed coins, not fresh coins, period.

When we talk about dust, i think we're using a different definition, that's why i put dust between quotes... When i talk about dust being used to top off your wallet, i'm talking about transactions like this one:
https://blockstream.info/tx/7e2191784780c350b607c42fef384711976a9ea11b7b71338ccb36c4c302e1e2
This is one of the transactions topping off your wallet... 39 unspent outputs being used, none of them actually fits the definition of dust, but i was merely talking about the fact this is a transaction is just merging a lot of smaller unspent outputs together... Like, for example, outputs you got from your previous clients??? None of them are coming from a mining reward, that's certain. Once again, this could be a smart move from your part, but if i dig just one level deeper i see this transaction is funded with unspent outputs like this one:
https://blockstream.info/tx/78eb2a595bd24020194c78d89e469f1ef9d0ff69c61565f9f4eb62ed0f6eba49?output:2
funding p2sh, native segwit and legacy addresses, making it look like it's a payout from some service or exchange... Defenately not a miner. Once again, this could be a smart ruse, but i doubt it.

Now, my conclusion is very simple: you're not selling fresh coins. Either the algorithm is (at best) very similar to the other mixers out there OR you've found a way to make the transaction chain look exactly like a mixer using one wallet that's topped of from an unknown source (defenatly not a miner) to pay out his clients while in reality using some super-smart algorithm to actually protect your clients and your sources in a super-smart way.
I cannot prove what you're doing one way or another, but with the absence of any proof of actual coinbase rewards being used, and without proof that transaction chain is more than what it appears to be, i can only say the odds are pretty big that my assumption is correct.
Once again: no proof... I'm just saying that this is a classic example of occam's razor:

Occam's razor is the principle that, of two explanations that account for all the facts, the simpler one is more likely to be correct. It is applied to a wide range of disciplines, including religion, physics, and medicine.

source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Occams-razor

This isn't a problem per-se, other than the fact that it's false advertisement to tell people you'll be using coinbase rewards (fresh coins) but in reality you're using the same algorithm as many of your competitors.  Honesty goes a long way, dishonesty can ruin your business. Nobody would have cared if you opened yet another mixer, but people do care if you promise to do something more than what you're competitors are doing, but you fail to prove this in any substantial way.


I will leave you with an in real life fictional fiat equivalent of what you CLAIM to be doing:
I'm going to the philipines next week and I want to bring 5000 euro's cash with me. I've heared that the president of the philipines is very hard on drug offences, and i know most euro bills have traces of cocaine on them. Since i don't want to be arrested, i only want to bring certified clean money with me.
I meet you on the street. You tell me you have a hook up at the central bank that can provide you with 100% legal, freshly printed, never used 20€ bills... You tell me that if i give you 5100 euro's of my potentially cocaine-carrying euro bills, you'll give me 5000 euro's in never used bills in return.
The day arrives, I give you 5100 euro and you give me an enveloppe back. When i'm home, i open the enveloppe and find 4900 euro's in old, used bills.
Since you gave me an anonymous email address to contact you for more business, i shoot you a mail to complain... A couple days later i get following response:
"yes, i had 5000 euro's in sparkling new bills, but i wanted to protect my source at the bank, so i took those bills to the local coffeeshop (a dutch shop where they sell cannabis products). I gave him the 2500 euro's in new bills, and in return he gave me 2400 euro's from his cash register. I mixed those 2400 euro's with 2500 euro in new bills and gave them to you...".
Why on earth would you do this? I payed to get 5000 euro's in new bills, not 2500 euro's in new bills and 2400 euro's in bills that have even a greater potential of being tainted with drugs. I cannot take these 4900 euro's to the philipines.
What it actually looks like you're doing is even worse: you never had 5000 euro clean bills. You just used old bills to give to me, pocketing 200 euro's.

Now, i'm pretty sure you'll twist this post around and find new ways of saying exactly the same thing... I'm going to step out of this thread since it's pretty clear you're not interested in showing any kind of proof, hiding behind the fact that you say you want to protect both your miners and your customers.
I personally think it would be pretty trivial to produce evidence, even if it means you'd have to re-clean a small portion of your funds... But hey, it's up to you if you want to be trusted or if you want to be yet another sketchy mixer that's only being used by people that know little or nothing about this ecosystem.

Piece out

[whalemixer1]

Well , as we said before and even stated on our site, we dispense fresh mixed coins
This are aged coins from freshly mined coins which are mixed within our ecosystem to cut the vendors details (Our miners) to make it look like its genuine coins but the difference with other mixers are , we do not mix coins from clients and dispense as this is just basically mixing dirty coins with dirty coins and if one gets flagged, all the mixing gets flagged. Although there will be no evidence of whose coin is whose, but it will definitely raise a flag 

Our mixer takes freshly minted coins, some are old and some are new , mixed within our ecosystem, broken into smaller batches to dispense. once dispensed, the remaining unspent balance are mixed again before the next payout.

By doing this , It truly cuts the trail . Then the not clean money are used by other means and never allowed back into the same pool where the fresh coins are. Thats why we have a limit of fresh coins available and only able to operate as long as we have this funds available. We are not like other mixer that use the same funds and coinjoin to make it harder and deeper to track but definitely not impossible especially using fuzzy logic neural network to track point of origin.

Well we still like to believe that our system still outperforms many mixers out there since we are not a mixer. We dispense fresh coins which are farmed , aged and mix within our ecosystem .

Try doing a block forensics on our outputs and you can never tell its from a mixer or the relations with the input coins since the dispensed coins are totally independent fresh set of coins

We are not new kids on the block. We been dispensing fresh coins for a while now. We been only a new kid on this forum as our founders are paying us for marketing and ramping up marketing efforts . Our clientele goes beyond this forum and time...

We will keep this forum running in event of any service notices or if anyone can find a flaw in our system that actually puts the mixing outputs at risk. We truly appreciate to keep our clients safe and we would like to be in business for many times to come.

We apologies to our clients as much info were given but do ensure, We only give information that does not put you and me at risk. The information given was only basic understanding of our ecosystem but not the actual mechanics or even the proof of the holding blocks that everyone is trying to fish out . We will never reveal our master account under any circumstances as we consider this as a major leak of information...

Nice try btw trying to fish for details, btw are you guys int3rpol or the F3ds ? trying to shut us down by looking for reasons ? because we are truly cutting the trails ? feel challenged ?? because we are different from other mixers ? and there is no way of tracking the mixing ? Nice try

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[Vod]

By doing this , It truly cuts the trail

Geez man, I've already figured out how to use Quantum services to re-acquire address ownership after mixers.   Do you understand what "fungible" means?  Each coin is identical - there is no such thing as a "tainted" coin if it has no trail/history..

Anyway, I received your PM explaining your situation and asking me to trust you.  You've made two extraordinary claims.  First, that you have 50BTC and your partners have another 5,000BTC.  Second, you claim to have a way of sending coin without revealing the sending address.  

Therefore I understand that your signing a message with coin is impossible since it will reveal your sending address.  So I propose this:

1) Tell your partners you could not convince us you have half a billion dollars on your word alone.  (Sorry)
2) Ask them to do a test transaction and send a clean coin to an address you control.  
3) Sign that address with a message.

If you cannot do that, please do not contact me again.  

[whalemixer1]

By doing this , It truly cuts the trail

Geez man, I've already figured out how to use Quantum services to re-acquire address ownership after mixers.   Do you understand what "fungible" means?  Each coin is identical - there is no such thing as a "tainted" coin if it has no trail/history..

Anyway, I received your PM explaining your situation and asking me to trust you.  You've made two extraordinary claims.  First, that you have 50BTC and your partners have another 5,000BTC.  Second, you claim to have a way of sending coin without revealing the sending address.  

Therefore I understand that your signing a message with coin is impossible since it will reveal your sending address.  So I propose this:

1) Tell your partners you could not convince us you have half a billion dollars on your word alone.  (Sorry)
2) Ask them to do a test transaction and send a clean coin to an address you control.  
3) Sign that address with a message.

If you cannot do that, please do not contact me again.  

We undestand you want to view our partners main holding account , as we said This will compromise our clients account and this will effect the safety of the mixing. We cant do that. although this will lead to trust that we have over 5000 BTC for mixing, but we value our mixing quality. Quality means more than whether you are trying to fish our main account .

We understand what you wanna see but we cant show that . I am sorry this has to end abrupt . We have to protect our customers at all cost .

Thanks for your concern

Have a great day

[Vod]

Despite wild accusation that we are holding 5000 btc or not holding 5000 btc

It's a wild statement to claim you hold any btc at all.  It's a simple accusation that you are lying.
I sent you instructions on how we can kill all discussion of your honesty and start discussing your service.

Why won't you prove anything?