[ANN] ✰ WhaleMixer.com ✰ Mixer That Dispense Freshly Mined Coins

[whalemixer1]

Hi everyone,

Whale mixer is proudly expending their service announcement on bitcointalk.

Whale mixer has a unique feature that doesn't actually mix coins but exchanges them from freshly minted or mined coins for exchange with your coin.
This means this is the safest type of mixing since blockchain forensic cant trail the mixing.

This mixer also is hosted on the tor network as address : whale5lzktydxdyf.onion This ensures animosity from the clearnet

They offer 6 different types of coins dispensing such as Bitcoin , Bitcoin Cash, Monero, Litecoin, Zcash and Dash coin.
Not many mixer does mixing for monero since monero is claimed to be untraceable , however in some instance to ensure highest privacy and leakproof , Monero can be mixed

Whalemixer produces letter of guarantee as in a Whalecode and Whale pass to check your mixing.

It is also protects users from since they delete logs every 24 hours by default but users also can manually delete logs instantly after receiving their funds.
They also provide multiple withdrawal addresses (optional) up to 3 addresses which users can set the percentage manually.

With WhaleMixer you will get:

Fresh Newly Mined Coins
Coins received are fresh from the farm and exchanged with the users coins. This ensures highest level of safety as a great safety net to not receive tainted coins or own coins.

Fully Anonymity
After your order is valid, Whalemixer will remove any information about your transactions. Absolutely no logs or personality identifying information is kept regarding your use of this service.

Random delay
Another unique features is they have random payout times so there is no way an transaction that occurs can be tied with the user. This becomes very handy in event of blockchain forensics where many mixer could fail


The platform charges a mining fee of 0.1 to 2.99% plus transaction fees


Another privacy feature of this mixer service is that it does not require registration and it does not store logs.

All the transactions are digitally signed with Whaleletter of guarantee that you can check on the website at any moment. They also provide 24/7 technical support.

You’re required to mix a minimum of USD 25 and a maximum of set amount of available coins clearly stated on the website. This value changes according to availability .

Transactions outside this range will not be accepted.

This mixer is considered as safest since they do not mix the coins rather than dispense out brand new mined coins so there will be no chance of receiving tainted or accidentally getting back own coin on second mixing

Whalemixer.com is wishing everyone a safe and great mixing journey

Its a pleasure

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[whalemixer1]

We are running out of Litecoin
We are talking to our mining partners to increase reserve
As for now, all other coins are available for mixing

[whalemixer1]

Hi everyone ,

We now have a small amount of litecoin to be mixed, we have 540 litecoin available for mixing. We are proactively looking for new miners to work with us to provide us more LTC Litecoin since our reserve is very low 

[whalemixer1]

We would like to thank the community of Bitcointalk

Our mixing volume has increase after our ANN post

We apologies to the community as some post were deleted under spam. As pointed out by user "VOD" , We posted on ALT coin forum as well since we do mixing for Monero and 4 other ALT coins. We have removed the post and hope to keep this community and forum clean.

We sincerely apologize for that.

As for us holding a huge amount of BTC and ALT coins.. We have many mining partners thats partnered with us to sell us their new coins as they are not involved in mixing. The figure you see is our reserve plus the amount held by our miners.

Again we would like to thank this community for the support .

[mocacinno]

Edit, added following text to warn people, since this was the first post on the OP's announcement thread i could edit
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WARNING: As of today (26th of july 2021), whalemixer's owner has not been online for 8 days. During this time, 2 people claim to have been scammed by this mixer while at the same time NOBODY reported a succesfull mix (a 100% failure rate)!!!
The mixer itself displayed several red flags even when he was still "mixing" (for a lack of a better term), but at this point i would consider any funds sent to this company to be lost forever!!!
Please, do yourself a favour and do not use this service, at least untill the owner pops up and starts solving the scam accusations!!!!!!! I would not recommand this mixer, ever, but at least stay away untill the owner fixes his procedures!!!
--end edit--



I do follow VOD... You claim to hold 5280.01 BTC. At the current block reward,( since the block reward + fees at this point in time are ~7 BTC/block) you're claiming to controll the coinbase rewards of ~750 blocks.
That's an extraordinary claim and "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" (source: Carl Sagan).

Just for our piece of mind, could you sign a message using the coinbase address of one or two blocks? It won't proof you're actually holding > 5000 BTC, but at least it proofs you have the knowledge and means to get your hands on coinbase rewards.
I realise that those coinbase rewards can no longer be used for your customers, but what is 7 BTC if you're holding 5280 BTC, especially since those 7 BTC could start building you some community goodwill?

If you want to re-use those funds, you can even send the proof to one or two trusted community members instead of posting it publicly...

[dkbit98]

We would like to thank the community of Bitcointalk

Our mixing volume has increase after our ANN post

Sorry but this is just a bunch of bollocks  
Single forum post can't increase volume like that and I doubt people will believe newbie account and shady mixer that claims holding 5283.26 Bitcoins.
But you can prove me wrong and prove ownership for this bitcoins or this is just empty numbers on screen, and please send as some BTC for testing your service.
Patiently waiting...


https://archive.vn/n9fOx

[LeGaulois]

I wondered why nobody was talking about it. I hesitated to ask the question


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3104701
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3104675

I didn't see a reason for this but then I understood I think. You're cheap if you can't spend some bucks on this.
The demand for @mocacinno seems reasonable

[whalemixer1]

I do follow VOD... You claim to hold 5280.01 BTC. At the current block reward,( since the block reward + fees at this point in time are ~7 BTC/block) you're claiming to controll the coinbase rewards of ~750 blocks.
That's an extraordinary claim and "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" (source: Carl Sagan).

Just for our piece of mind, could you sign a message using the coinbase address of one or two blocks? It won't proof you're actually holding > 5000 BTC, but at least it proofs you have the knowledge and means to get your hands on coinbase rewards.
I realise that those coinbase rewards can no longer be used for your customers, but what is 7 BTC if you're holding 5280 BTC, especially since those 7 BTC could start building you some community goodwill?

If you want to re-use those funds, you can even send the proof to one or two trusted community members instead of posting it publicly...

We are partnered with miners from Russia and china, our mixer does not personally hold this amount. We hold around 50 BTC in total reserve of mined coins for this . However we are able to buy this reserved amount for a small fee from your partners.

This coins are not mined today , rather its uncirculated coins from over time.

What we are offering is fresh uncirculated coins which comes from miners holdings.

We will not be able to proof of holding or provide blockchain balance as this will effect the security for our clients as we do not know who is listening.

I hope this clears

[whalemixer1]

I wondered why nobody was talking about it. I hesitated to ask the question


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3104701
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3104675

I didn't see a reason for this but then I understood I think. You're cheap if you can't spend some bucks on this.
The demand for @mocacinno seems reasonable

We were just testing the system, we were not sure if this appears on all registed accounts or only on few. We are new on this forum . We were asked to deposit BTC to activate the account . We were alittle puzzled hence we tried re registering to check if this apears on all our account.

[mocacinno]

--snip--

We are partnered with miners from Russia and china, our mixer does not personally hold this amount. We hold around 50 BTC in total reserve of mined coins for this . However we are able to buy this reserved amount for a small fee from your partners.

This coins are not mined today , rather its uncirculated coins from over time.

What we are offering is fresh uncirculated coins which comes from miners holdings.

We will not be able to proof of holding or provide blockchain balance as this will effect the security for our clients as we do not know who is listening.

I hope this clears

So the statement on your site is false? You don't have >5000 BTC, you just claim to have the option to buy >5000 BTC and claim to hold ~50 BTC but are not willing to prove said statement.
Just an idear, but why don't you give a couple longtime forum members a couple bucks to test out your service, let them check if the funds they receive from your service is indeed coming from a coinbase reward. I'd be willing to do this AND give you back whatever output i get from your service (minus mixing and transaction fees). For me it's not a way to make some money, but rather a way to verify your claims without risking my own funds...

by the way, it's completely up to you if you take me up on my offer or not... No pressure... Just an easy way to prove part of your claims...

[whalemixer1]

We would like to thank the community of Bitcointalk

Our mixing volume has increase after our ANN post

Sorry but this is just a bunch of bollocks  
Single forum post can't increase volume like that and I doubt people will believe newbie account and shady mixer that claims holding 5283.26 Bitcoins.
But you can prove me wrong and prove ownership for this bitcoins or this is just empty numbers on screen, and please send as some BTC for testing your service.
Patiently waiting...

https://i.imgur.com/um3iINz.jpg
https://archive.vn/n9fOx

Our mixing volume has definitely increased past few days, we were operational since 2020 and we have ramped up our marketing efforts this past week. We not sure if its due to this forum or our other marketing channels. Anyways would like to thank all our clients from where every they came from.

Anyone is free to test our service and if they find any flaws or other issues, kindly post your good or bad experiences. Its only USD25 , we spent more to develop this system than to just make a one off USD25 and a bad rating. Think about it. We are not gonna tarnish our business which makes a good 1%-2.99% on every mix over a USD 25

However do also note that the transaction fee for bitcoin is high at the moment ~4-6 USD / address so the receiving amount could be effected by this fees. We do miss those days where is was in cents . You can check the blockchain to see how much we paid for the transaction fee and please dont misunderstand that we charge more than 1-2.99%

[whalemixer1]

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We are partnered with miners from Russia and china, our mixer does not personally hold this amount. We hold around 50 BTC in total reserve of mined coins for this . However we are able to buy this reserved amount for a small fee from your partners.

This coins are not mined today , rather its uncirculated coins from over time.

What we are offering is fresh uncirculated coins which comes from miners holdings.

We will not be able to proof of holding or provide blockchain balance as this will effect the security for our clients as we do not know who is listening.

I hope this clears

So the statement on your site is false? You don't have >5000 BTC, you just claim to have the option to buy >5000 BTC and claim to hold ~50 BTC but are not willing to prove said statement.
Just an idear, but why don't you give a couple longtime forum members a couple bucks to test out your service, let them check if the funds they receive from your service is indeed coming from a coinbase reward. I'd be willing to do this AND give you back whatever output i get from your service (minus mixing and transaction fees). For me it's not a way to make some money, but rather a way to verify your claims without risking my own funds...

by the way, it's completely up to you if you take me up on my offer or not... No pressure... Just an easy way to prove part of your claims...

I think you have misunderstood the statement on our website. We are able to mix this amount based on what we and our partners hold as we can purchase BTC to BTC plus a service fee from our miners . We dont actually mix coins rather exchange from our miners. The miners from china are willing to sell us at 0.88% and Russia at 1% . So we charge 1% - 2.99% the remaining is our profit.

Anyone is free to test our service and if they find any flaws or other issues, kindly post your good or bad experiences. Its only USD25 , we spent more to develop this system than to just make a one off USD25 and a bad rating. Think about it. We are not gonna tarnish our business which makes a good 1%-2.99% on every mix over a USD 25

[mocacinno]

--snip--
Anyone is free to test our service and if they find any flaws or other issues, kindly post your good or bad experiences. Its only USD25 , we spent more to develop this system than to just make a one off USD25 and a bad rating. Think about it. We are not gonna tarnish our business which makes a good 1%-2.99% on every mix over a USD 25

Now, look at it from our perspective: you're asking us to risk $25 on your mixer, spend $3-$4 in tx fees, pay a 1%-3% fee to you, end up with a small unspent output we'd have to remix afterwards since you're brand new and i personally wouldn't trust you to keep my transactions private (yet)... And we'll have to make this effort, pay these fees and risk our funds to give you a free review?

Sorry, but that's not how it works...

I take it you won't take my proposal... That's fine, no problem...

[dkbit98]

We are able to mix this amount based on what we and our partners hold

Who exactly are your partners (just don't tell me it's chinese and russian miners) and how do you know how much of their coins is available?

...

Lets summarize:

- You can't prove ownership of a singe bitcoin.
- You make false statements for available coins.
- You are not willing to spend a single satoshi for testing with members in bitcointalk forum.

I don't think that is the right way to gain reputation and trust from community, but you can do as you like.
Maybe you need to rephrase what is written on your website, and meanwhile people will use proven mixing services like Chipmixer or wasabi wallet.

[whalemixer1]

We are able to mix this amount based on what we and our partners hold

Who exactly are your partners (just don't tell me it's chinese and russian miners) and how do you know how much of their coins is available?

...

Lets summarize:

- You can't prove ownership of a singe bitcoin.
- You make false statements for available coins.
- You are not willing to spend a single satoshi for testing with members in bitcointalk forum.

I don't think that is the right way to gain reputation and trust from community, but you can do as you like.
Maybe you need to rephrase what is written on your website, and meanwhile people will use proven mixing services like Chipmixer or wasabi wallet.

1. We cant prove ownership since it will flaw our security of the mixing since the sending address will be revealed. We have no idea who is watching and following this post.
2. We are capable of handling the amount stated as we are able to get this from our mining partners. This amount of coins are available. The info on the website is as it is.
3. There is a better way to ask for testing a service , not by accusing and demand for money like in a hostage negotiation.

Anyone is free to use any services offered. Would you only use one mixer to ensure your trails has been covered from leaks ? I dont have the stats but i am  sure many users uses more than one mixer to efficiently cover their trails especially when its sensitive mixing.

Whats better ? a mixer or a service that offers fresh coins ? 

[whalemixer1]

We are able to mix this amount based on what we and our partners hold

Who exactly are your partners (just don't tell me it's chinese and russian miners) and how do you know how much of their coins is available?

...

We have a partnership with them as exclusive , this balance are in an address that is connected to our API in the system. We are able to see the available balance in realtime so we know how much coins are able to dispense. We are not a mixing service that can handle any amount. We have a limit for our fresh coins therefore we have to implement this mechanism. As now we have no Litecoin so we dont mix that until we get litecoin. If tomorrow we run out of Monero, we cant mix Monero. Thats why we have to display the coins available as this may change daily. There is only x number of fresh coins compared to mixing where its unlimited .

Thats why our website has the amount that can be mixed. Hope this clears why we have the statistics displayed

[Vod]

this balance are in an address that is connected to our API in the system. We are able to see the available balance in realtime so we know how much coins are able to dispense.

As I mentioned in PM when you demanded I remove your negative trust, have one of your partners sign an address holding at least 10btc.  If they refuse, you are being scammed and if you refuse, you are the scammer.

We hold around 50 BTC in total reserve of mined coins for this

Or sign that one...

[OROBTC]

...

whalemixer1

There are many mixers that bitcointalk members have used and reviewed (as I have done myself).  The above members are very knowledgeable, and you should consider listening to them.  There have been a lot of BTC mixer scams over these many years since I joined this forum.

Yes!  A service to provide coins direct from miners could be very popular.  Clean coins at a good price, oh yeah.

Because of the many, many problems with scammers, trust needs to be earned here.  The above suggestions are good ones.  It would not cost you much to offer some special deals or signed messages, perhaps by Private Message to some of the above.  LeGaulois, Vod, dkbit98 and mocacinno are all trusted members here; ALL of whom I have learned from.

Like I said, your service could become very popular, but you have to make the first moves to begin to gain trust here.  If you do it right (do what you promise, show some transparency, etc.), your service could make you a lot of money and make your customers happy.

"Your move, sirs."

[logfiles]

So we got a couple of quick reviews, all written 2 days ago from one medium account about the Best Top 5 Cryptocurrency Tumbler (Reliable Bitcoin Mixer 2020/2021) and the 4 Reliable Working Bitcoin mixer/blender 2021 and guess what? A brand new and lesser known Whalemixer is among them. Fishy.

[TryNinja]

So... what is happening that I sent $30 over 3 hours ago, the tx already has 25 confirmations and the status page shows the following?

Amount Received
0 Bitcoin

Status
Waiting For Funds

Current Confirmation
0 out of 4

[whalemixer1]

this balance are in an address that is connected to our API in the system. We are able to see the available balance in realtime so we know how much coins are able to dispense.

As I mentioned in PM when you demanded I remove your negative trust, have one of your partners sign an address holding at least 10btc.  If they refuse, you are being scammed and if you refuse, you are the scammer.

We hold around 50 BTC in total reserve of mined coins for this

Or sign that one...

Hi VOD,

I requested not demand because we were accused of something without proper checking. accusing is easy but without prove is abit not fair. have you used the services to make such claims ?

we are not able to sign an address as it will compromise the quality of mixing as the address will be known to public. This effects the mixing anonymity.

 

[whalemixer1]

So we got a couple of quick reviews, all written 2 days ago from one medium account about the Best Top 5 Cryptocurrency Tumbler (Reliable Bitcoin Mixer 2020/2021) and the 4 Reliable Working Bitcoin mixer/blender 2021 and guess what? A brand new and lesser known Whalemixer is among them. Fishy.

Apparently our marketing outsource is doing their job.
We spent some on hiring marketing team and looks like they came up with this kind of strategy, and more will be coming as well.
I am impressed with their work. This actually appeared on google search ? impressive .... very impressive
Thats why we are having a higher volume on our mixing this past few days... We were wondering where this traffic were coming from. 

[whalemixer1]

So... what is happening that I sent $30 over 3 hours ago, the tx already has 25 confirmations and the status page shows the following?

Amount Received
0 Bitcoin

Status
Waiting For Funds

Current Confirmation
0 out of 4

Hi there,

our mixing is random timed, please check after few hours as we dont set a specific timing on when you get the mixed funds, rather its random delay to enhance mixing quality.

Say you mix and set a delay, and receive funds at that set delay... a blockchain forensics can easily co relate this 2 transaction and point that this was the mixed funds.

rather our system is random delay so there is no way to co relate the sender and receiver. please check if the funds has entered after few hours . else please do contact us or update the forum .

Thank you for using our services and as appreciation on using our services , we giving you USD 15 - kindly send your BTC address
We are happy to see our users of our platform since we dont hear from them after a mix since its all anonymous.

[whalemixer1]

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whalemixer1

There are many mixers that bitcointalk members have used and reviewed (as I have done myself).  The above members are very knowledgeable, and you should consider listening to them.  There have been a lot of BTC mixer scams over these many years since I joined this forum.

Yes!  A service to provide coins direct from miners could be very popular.  Clean coins at a good price, oh yeah.

Because of the many, many problems with scammers, trust needs to be earned here.  The above suggestions are good ones.  It would not cost you much to offer some special deals or signed messages, perhaps by Private Message to some of the above.  LeGaulois, Vod, dkbit98 and mocacinno are all trusted members here; ALL of whom I have learned from.

Like I said, your service could become very popular, but you have to make the first moves to begin to gain trust here.  If you do it right (do what you promise, show some transparency, etc.), your service could make you a lot of money and make your customers happy.

"Your move, sirs."

Thank you for the kind words and advice,

We are not able to sign off blocks as they will reveal our holding account of our BTC which couls be used by blockchain forensics. We like to keep our fresh coins safe from forensics.

Yes i agree , fresh coins are more safer than mixing coins since the trace is fully detached.

Maybe the only way is getting feedback from people that has used the services and keeping a 0 negative report for a long time will eventually create the trust.

We have all the time as we are already in the biz since 2020 and we are just new in this forum. It will take time i guess to get trust from this platform.

Once again. Thank you for the good words

[TryNinja]

our mixing is random timed, please check after few hours as we dont set a specific timing on when you get the mixed funds, rather its random delay to enhance mixing quality.

I'm aware of that, but it shouldn't say "waiting for funds", "0 BTC received" or "0 out of 4 confirmations" when I had a tx with 30+ confirmations.

Anyways, I received my coins. I decided to use two addresses expecting to receive two different transactions, but everything was sent at once on a single pay-to-many transaction. Here is the transaction for those who are curious about where the coins come from and want to verify if they are really fresh uncirculated coins which comes from miners holdings: a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a

Some other things I noticed:

- You can write pretty much anything you want on the address field (e.g AAAAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBB)
- There is no mention to fees anywhere on the website, yet I sent 0.00082702 BTC and received 0.00066796 BTC (~80%). I know you have to pay for the transaction fees, etc... but how much was the mining fees and how much was your service fee? There is no way of knowing.
- Your BTC "available fresh coins" went down from 5283.26 to 4146.24; Are you really implying that you mixed 1137.02 BTC on a single day? lol

[mocacinno]

our mixing is random timed, please check after few hours as we dont set a specific timing on when you get the mixed funds, rather its random delay to enhance mixing quality.

--snip--
Anyways, I received my coins. I decided to use two addresses expecting to receive two different transactions, but everything was sent at once on a single pay-to-many transaction. Here is the transaction for those who are curious about where the coins come from and want to verify if they are really fresh uncirculated coins which comes from miners holdings: a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a
--snip--

You are MUCH braver than I am... I'd never use my own funds to test a new mixer
Anyways.... Let's get cracking...
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4ad980c1ce1c95393136c4c36da035bf6425465f4d0ab759fbbd7ba7016fccd6:0
bf080035ff8f7106f2efb2cbbc67a0f0492da7848d3e89525d6b818b43662fd8:0
42cb94dee128fb1dded2fd279cf8ce303ffbea89254420b2e025aadf579a47d8:0
c1830baa88e307a07ac61e1b2a6ee45a25e787409027065ffe9f1f86caf592d8:0
29c6607a28c4b70555ac96f6793d1928c30662e7f187c239214b5dad8f8199d8:0
4871c4d1a6e4880576289947cfb8b2e28db4a16b089209dde859fc5bf8220ad9:0
c3e338e90d582a653be31931d7a72315dabb21271df0d957e8cf7e1aba3016d9:0
1c963fd0959f748d09bbc72b687f2d471f1965247cbfa17ae7f7cca2cd7da1d9:0
6471334c1ad153f054158a8b6dc584d984b79fcd82a3fb4950dafcd3717ad6d9:0
cbfd628721e0a6d9dde57ec8e03491dbba51ebd06ee677f8a64b7b55b9ce62da:20
39f4537e0fdf241502b3aaea7f7735b9f95788aec8261f13e0019550f86c98da:0
9a192cf2658e83a8a506001de0f5f7ecd4f6c3acc9478af033823352a11547db:1
=> I'm not going to analyse the inputs of tx 33e5ba37967cd58803f2590eb7654ad52e16ba47563d2585fa163f46f04c290a  any further... It's clear these inputs have NOTHING to do with freshly minted coins!!!!

level #13 => transaction a81ee1934b2cc6b68aa939a964dfaa399f6b9ff9b55f8087ef722a0514547bd2 used as input:
a24728190eb23b8d0b32da6a6659677920e45fe5fbb35219973c73c4b9c6492b:0

level #14 => transaction a24728190eb23b8d0b32da6a6659677920e45fe5fbb35219973c73c4b9c6492b used as input:
bfbf788c735112a890e7759e73cc82eadcf15ee06a8f9d715a76fb7fa6ca7d8e:0

level #15 => transaction bfbf788c735112a890e7759e73cc82eadcf15ee06a8f9d715a76fb7fa6ca7d8e used as input:
d38134311a4d333fec9a247515edcd86c02510013c9bc4d5f6c467c777a32065:0

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level #27 => transaction 2f513ec3e30c2886ded6ed71813035ebd508c0d69f01246a20067a0c55246254 used as inputs:
d23219401019cf9194c189df40ee3dcac8e4f65eafa51f060edec4b19fff0a64:0
40c4f80e9d974044ab577c94b25e7094f2ea51320879c521d7e68dd2f0409580:0
transaction 40c4f80e9d974044ab577c94b25e7094f2ea51320879c521d7e68dd2f0409580 at level #30 uses inputs from another transaction merging another 7 unspent outputs so i dropped it =>it's clear these inputs have NOTHING to do with freshly minted coins!!!!

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level #42 => transaction 0f38f1513a3a5d4e964ffa532d4c81d24d1f2ca584d2754ef03be3fa972ce0f7 uses as inputs:
1c175b876e397430ca886531c2736509c2ecbafa49b594774f7e6181bd35d601:0
1bbd8e351dd457fd4c0b475a2bbc264d63848aa418c2227524742cec42e7d8a5:0
transaction 1bbd8e351dd457fd4c0b475a2bbc264d63848aa418c2227524742cec42e7d8a5 level #43 uses inputs from another transaction merging another 22 unspent outputs so i dropped it =>it's clear these inputs have NOTHING to do with freshly minted coins!!!!

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level #71 => transaction 31aa98b7bbc21561b94e332f3309fc208962339fbe1b8b934f75b816b37e8826 uses as inputs:
d22f7f5225bb3765f94141d0b922798f61999f527692a5aed59ccb1408d1d139:0
44781f270777a69f5404b83dc18981bf7f11f21b0d6c4ba100cbca21cc0da187:0
transaction 44781f270777a69f5404b83dc18981bf7f11f21b0d6c4ba100cbca21cc0da187 level #72 uses inputs from another transaction merging another 25 unspent outputs so i dropped it =>it's clear these inputs have NOTHING to do with freshly minted coins!!!!

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level #93 => transaction 4fadec75ca27f594560a84ee8b78f4fbea507227126fb286e8efca9897c73240 uses as inputs:
3c453a898adf98e1fa2688f16109acd6b96853a6784994089d6f2faa7a4e9de2:0
7e2191784780c350b607c42fef384711976a9ea11b7b71338ccb36c4c302e1e2:0
transaction 7e2191784780c350b607c42fef384711976a9ea11b7b71338ccb36c4c302e1e2 level #94 uses inputs from another transaction merging another 39 unspent outputs so i dropped it =>it's clear these inputs have NOTHING to do with freshly minted coins!!!!

level #100 => transaction 4b9848889b60ce6c1311ebb8c43341a91560a20b35fc836dec926e349fd354ca

The pattern is clear:

• one unspent output used to to batch pay multiple receivers, change going to a change address.
• unspent output funding change address used as input for the next batch payment
• when the value of the unspent output funding the change address becomes to little, the wallet is topped up with ~1 BTC. Not frenshly minted coinbase rewards tough, but just a big transaction merging "dust". I tried following some transaction chains from these merging transactions, but no coinbase rewards either

OP: are you sure about your chinese and russian partners? For a 20% fee you should be???
If you promise your customers they'll receive their mixed funds in coinbase rewards, i shouldn't have to dig 100 levels deep, and still not find a single block reward...

At this point i'm tempted to call your business model debunked... If you can proof you're actually using coinbase rewards, please do so... Because i don't want to be accused of blackmailing you i don't want to see the proof tough... Find somebody else in case you want to make a valid case.

[dkbit98]

So we got a couple of quick reviews, all written 2 days ago from one medium account about the Best Top 5 Cryptocurrency Tumbler (Reliable Bitcoin Mixer 2020/2021) and the 4 Reliable Working Bitcoin mixer/blender 2021 and guess what? A brand new and lesser known Whalemixer is among them. Fishy.

Same person Rebecca Simon Teller has never written anything else and both articles are written in the same day with lot of space given for whalemixer.
What else is strange? Not a single word in this articles is written about best and well known mixing service Chipmixer
archive1, archive2

...

Good work, and it looks like there are no fresh coins here but just more false claims made by them.

And what to say about over 1130 less Bitcoins in one day...
one day 5279.07 Bitcoins, day after 4145.99 Bitcoins (on screen)

[whalemixer1]

our mixing is random timed, please check after few hours as we dont set a specific timing on when you get the mixed funds, rather its random delay to enhance mixing quality.

I'm aware of that, but it shouldn't say "waiting for funds", "0 BTC received" or "0 out of 4 confirmations" when I had a tx with 30+ confirmations.

Anyways, I received my coins. I decided to use two addresses expecting to receive two different transactions, but everything was sent at once on a single pay-to-many transaction. Here is the transaction for those who are curious about where the coins come from and want to verify if they are really fresh uncirculated coins which comes from miners holdings: a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a

Some other things I noticed:

- You can write pretty much anything you want on the address field (e.g AAAAAAAAAAAAABBBBBBBBB)
- There is no mention to fees anywhere on the website, yet I sent 0.00082702 BTC and received 0.00066796 BTC (~80%). I know you have to pay for the transaction fees, etc... but how much was the mining fees and how much was your service fee? There is no way of knowing.
- Your BTC "available fresh coins" went down from 5283.26 to 4146.24; Are you really implying that you mixed 1137.02 BTC on a single day? lol

I am glad you tested our services and the workabouts.


and the reason for waiting for funds , This is also a security feature. When there is no evidence that a coin is received, there is no evidence to mention that the coin received is any part of the coins sent. we delete logs every 24 hours, in event anythings happens during this period, there will not be any evidence ,

we have many other security in place such as 2 talkless database to serve as decoy in event the main database is compromised. Our second database takes that info from the first database and replace irrelevent data on the info on first database to serve as decoy... yeah our developers are genius much ( things we detail to ensure fullest security for our clients)

As for the miners fee , you can check on the blockchain how much was paid , we do not collect more than 1%-2.99% the average is around USD 2-4 / address at this time

As for the available coins, when a request is made , we allocate certain amount for that mix , this balance will get refreshed after 24 hours. We have over 700 request today with around 200 actual mixing performed. plus the actuall amount balance from our miners has reduced. We are a little worried since of the fresh coins are no more available... we will be out of business , as we are already having trouble getting litecoin for almost 3 weeks now.

Thank you for using our services

[whalemixer1]

our mixing is random timed, please check after few hours as we dont set a specific timing on when you get the mixed funds, rather its random delay to enhance mixing quality.

--snip--
Anyways, I received my coins. I decided to use two addresses expecting to receive two different transactions, but everything was sent at once on a single pay-to-many transaction. Here is the transaction for those who are curious about where the coins come from and want to verify if they are really fresh uncirculated coins which comes from miners holdings: a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a
--snip--

You are MUCH braver than I am... I'd never use my own funds to test a new mixer
Anyways.... Let's get cracking...

This coins are not directly from the miners account and surely not mined realtime and sent to clients , that will compromise the miners and easy to trace the origin. Rather this coins are broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged.  however this coins are has not been circulated , If it has many levels deep, its due to transaction fees paid to miners thats mixed in this coins. 

We can ensure that this coins are not circulated rather broken into smaller accounts either by our partners or our own mechanism to ensure safety of the mixing.

Can u see the flaws if we directly send coins thats minted directly without mixing it and breaking it to smaller amount ? Yes , if one address is compromised, all gets compromised. Thats the reason why we age the coins and break it smaller and mix it before dispensing to our clients.

[whalemixer1]

So we got a couple of quick reviews, all written 2 days ago from one medium account about the Best Top 5 Cryptocurrency Tumbler (Reliable Bitcoin Mixer 2020/2021) and the 4 Reliable Working Bitcoin mixer/blender 2021 and guess what? A brand new and lesser known Whalemixer is among them. Fishy.

Same person Rebecca Simon Teller has never written anything else and both articles are written in the same day with lot of space given for whalemixer.
What else is strange? Not a single word in this articles is written about best and well known mixing service Chipmixer
archive1, archive2

...

Good work

And what to say about over 1130 less Bitcoins in one day...
one day 5279.07 Bitcoins, day after 4145.99 Bitcoins (on screen)

As for the available coins, when a request is made , we allocate certain amount for that mix , this balance will get refreshed after 24 hours. We have over 700 request today with around 200 actual mixing performed. plus the actuall amount balance from our miners has reduced. We are a little worried since of the fresh coins are no more available... we will be out of business , as we are already having trouble getting litecoin for almost 3 weeks now.

Apparently our marketing outsource is doing their job. Rebecca Simon Teller
We spent some on hiring marketing team and looks like they came up with this kind of strategy, and more will be coming as well.
I am impressed with their work. This actually appeared on google search ? impressive .... very impressive
Thats why we are having a higher volume on our mixing this past few days... We were wondering where this traffic were coming from.

This coins are not directly from the miners account and surely not mined realtime and sent to clients , that will compromise the miners and easy to trace the origin. Rather this coins are broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged.  however this coins are has not been circulated , If it has many levels deep, its due to transaction fees paid to miners thats mixed in this coins. 

We can ensure that this coins are not circulated rather broken into smaller accounts either by our partners or our own mechanism to ensure safety of the mixing.

Can u see the flaws if we directly send coins thats minted directly without mixing it and breaking it to smaller amount ? Yes , if one address is compromised, all gets compromised. Thats the reason why we age the coins and break it smaller and mix it before dispensing to our clients.

[mocacinno]

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This coins are not directly from the miners account and surely not mined realtime and sent to clients , that will compromise the miners and easy to trace the origin. Rather this coins are broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged.  however this coins are has not been circulated , If it has many levels deep, its due to transaction fees paid to miners thats mixed in this coins.  

We can ensure that this coins are not circulated rather broken into smaller accounts either by our partners or our own mechanism to ensure safety of the mixing.

Can u see the flaws if we directly send coins thats minted directly without mixing it and breaking it to smaller amount ? Yes , if one address is compromised, all gets compromised. Thats the reason why we age the coins and break it smaller and mix it before dispensing to our clients.

Sorry, but i don't see a flaw in sending directly minted coins... If your miners use a fresh address to get funded by the coinbase rewards, there is nothing to trace or compromise... If You would have used the coinbase reward and payed mixing outputs using this reward only i wouldn't have been able to trace back > 100 levels deep, my trace would have stopped at the coinbase reward, and i would only have been able to link the clients that had been payed with the same reward together, but now i would have been able to link every client that has been payed > 100 levels deep...

You say that the freshly minted coins are "broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged". This basically means that the people using the (thirth party) mixer used to MIX their coinbase reward received freshly minted coins... Your customers just receive post-mix unspent outputs that could potentially be linked to criminal activity instead of mining... This makes you a normal mixer, not a mixer where your clients will receive coinbase rewards.

Your business promises people "fresh coins", not outputs from a different mixer.

[hugeblack]

  however this coins are has not been circulated , If it has many levels deep, its due to transaction fees paid to miners thats mixed in this coins. 

Why did you mention that the coin is fresh as long as it has been mixed up? This means that it may have been mixed with unknown sources.
Can you prove any claim with your site?

Coins are freshly mixed from our mining farms

Receiving and sending databases are saparated

 

According to your TOS:  https://whalemixer.com/termsofuse/

WhaleMixer has no access to your cryptocurrency wallets used for sending or receiving crypto coins. The responsibility for the use of your wallets lies solely with you.

You say that data is deleted within 24 hours, yet you do not receive or send money?

[whalemixer1]

--snip--
This coins are not directly from the miners account and surely not mined realtime and sent to clients , that will compromise the miners and easy to trace the origin. Rather this coins are broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged.  however this coins are has not been circulated , If it has many levels deep, its due to transaction fees paid to miners thats mixed in this coins.  

We can ensure that this coins are not circulated rather broken into smaller accounts either by our partners or our own mechanism to ensure safety of the mixing.

Can u see the flaws if we directly send coins thats minted directly without mixing it and breaking it to smaller amount ? Yes , if one address is compromised, all gets compromised. Thats the reason why we age the coins and break it smaller and mix it before dispensing to our clients.

Sorry, but i don't see a flaw in sending directly minted coins... If your miners use a fresh address to get funded by the coinbase rewards, there is nothing to trace or compromise... If You would have used the coinbase reward and payed mixing outputs using this reward only i wouldn't have been able to trace back > 100 levels deep, my trace would have stopped at the coinbase reward, and i would only have been able to link the clients that had been payed with the same reward together, but now i would have been able to link every client that has been payed > 100 levels deep...

You say that the freshly minted coins are "broken into smaller accounts , mixed and aged". This basically means that the people using the (thirth party) mixer used to MIX their coinbase reward received freshly minted coins... Your customers just receive post-mix unspent outputs that could potentially be linked to criminal activity instead of mining... This makes you a normal mixer, not a mixer where your clients will receive coinbase rewards.

Your business promises people "fresh coins", not outputs from a different mixer.

The reason we mix the coins internally within fresh coins is so that say we send out to 2 clients with the same block reward, the 1st party will know who the 2nd party is.
By doing an internal mixing to avoid this to ensure safety. At this level none of the clients can see another clients because this dust transactions gets mixed again with other fresh coins before dispensing again. Old coins are used for different purpose and never used in remixing again, only fresh coins are broken into smaller amount after mixing.

forensic can never find the actual sender by this mechanism and another client can never find the other clients address too.

if you find a 100 level deep transaction, it is the miner fee for the transaction mixed along with this dust .

we promise fresh coins but its aged and mixed with only fresh coins. we never mix with dirty clients coins

hope this explains our mechanism

[whalemixer1]

  however this coins are has not been circulated , If it has many levels deep, its due to transaction fees paid to miners thats mixed in this coins. 

Why did you mention that the coin is fresh as long as it has been mixed up? This means that it may have been mixed with unknown sources.
Can you prove any claim with your site?

Coins are freshly mixed from our mining farms

Receiving and sending databases are saparated

 

According to your TOS:  https://whalemixer.com/termsofuse/

WhaleMixer has no access to your cryptocurrency wallets used for sending or receiving crypto coins. The responsibility for the use of your wallets lies solely with you.

You say that data is deleted within 24 hours, yet you do not receive or send money?

NO NO NO, our coins are mixed within our fresh coins only. Then broken down into smaller account holdings and after sending the coins , it gets mixed with other fresh coins and broken down again to smaller accounts. WE STRICTLY DO NOT MIX FUNDS FROM THE DIRTY COINS , that will reveal the sender and receiver . Thats a big no for the security of our system.

Yes our TOS means that your wallet is your wallet. We only send to your wallet address but have no control over your private key or your wallet holdings including reusing it, redistributing the address or even passing to any 3rd party. it will defy the purpose of the mixer itself. ALL LOGS ARE DESTROYED IN 24 HOURS or you can choose to delete it manually after receiving the funds ...

As for our 2 talkless database , we have many other security in place such as 2 talkless database to serve as decoy in event the main database is compromised. Our second database takes that info from the first database and replace irrelevent data on the info on first database to serve as decoy... yeah our developers are genius much ( things we detail to ensure fullest security for our clients)

[whalemixer1]

So we got a couple of quick reviews, all written 2 days ago from one medium account about the Best Top 5 Cryptocurrency Tumbler (Reliable Bitcoin Mixer 2020/2021) and the 4 Reliable Working Bitcoin mixer/blender 2021 and guess what? A brand new and lesser known Whalemixer is among them. Fishy.

Same person Rebecca Simon Teller has never written anything else and both articles are written in the same day with lot of space given for whalemixer.
What else is strange? Not a single word in this articles is written about best and well known mixing service Chipmixer
archive1, archive2

...

Good work, and it looks like there are no fresh coins here but just more false claims made by them.

And what to say about over 1130 less Bitcoins in one day...
one day 5279.07 Bitcoins, day after 4145.99 Bitcoins (on screen)

Hi there , we never claimed we have 5000 plus BTC
We can get this from our available BTC from our partners, in form of fresh coins
This is the amount available to be mixed,
I have mentioned in our forum that we hold ard 50 BTC
plz review the trust posted ..

[mocacinno]

Ok, I keep making exactly the same point, and your explanation is defenately not good enough for me.

You keep saying that the way your mixer works makes it impossible for clients to discover other client's funds, what i see is one unspent output being re-used and re-used and re-used in transactions with one input creating >= 2 unspent outputs. Since TryNinja told us that his 2 addresses were funded with the same transaction, I can only assume you're batching transactions to save on fees and you are using one wallet to pay out your customers. It looks a lot like you're topping off said wallet from an unknown source, maybe an exchange, maybe dirty funds from previous clients, but it defenatly doesnt look like coinbase rewards to me.
Offcourse, it's possible most of those transactions are internal transactions created to hide traces, but the way they're built, the mixing of the script types, the number of outputs,... makes me believe i'm right... Especially since TryNinja's both addresses were funded using exactly the same transaction.. It would be an incredible coincidence if his addresses were funded using one and the same transaction, making it very easy to link them together, but other client's privacy would be well protected?

You claim this source is "fresh coins", but no matter how deep i dig, i cannot find a coinbase reward popping up. You're selling "fresh coins", not mixed coins. On the other hand, you're delivering mixed coins, not fresh coins, period.

When we talk about dust, i think we're using a different definition, that's why i put dust between quotes... When i talk about dust being used to top off your wallet, i'm talking about transactions like this one:
https://blockstream.info/tx/7e2191784780c350b607c42fef384711976a9ea11b7b71338ccb36c4c302e1e2
This is one of the transactions topping off your wallet... 39 unspent outputs being used, none of them actually fits the definition of dust, but i was merely talking about the fact this is a transaction is just merging a lot of smaller unspent outputs together... Like, for example, outputs you got from your previous clients??? None of them are coming from a mining reward, that's certain. Once again, this could be a smart move from your part, but if i dig just one level deeper i see this transaction is funded with unspent outputs like this one:
https://blockstream.info/tx/78eb2a595bd24020194c78d89e469f1ef9d0ff69c61565f9f4eb62ed0f6eba49?output:2
funding p2sh, native segwit and legacy addresses, making it look like it's a payout from some service or exchange... Defenately not a miner. Once again, this could be a smart ruse, but i doubt it.

Now, my conclusion is very simple: you're not selling fresh coins. Either the algorithm is (at best) very similar to the other mixers out there OR you've found a way to make the transaction chain look exactly like a mixer using one wallet that's topped of from an unknown source (defenatly not a miner) to pay out his clients while in reality using some super-smart algorithm to actually protect your clients and your sources in a super-smart way.
I cannot prove what you're doing one way or another, but with the absence of any proof of actual coinbase rewards being used, and without proof that transaction chain is more than what it appears to be, i can only say the odds are pretty big that my assumption is correct.
Once again: no proof... I'm just saying that this is a classic example of occam's razor:

Occam's razor is the principle that, of two explanations that account for all the facts, the simpler one is more likely to be correct. It is applied to a wide range of disciplines, including religion, physics, and medicine.

source: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Occams-razor

This isn't a problem per-se, other than the fact that it's false advertisement to tell people you'll be using coinbase rewards (fresh coins) but in reality you're using the same algorithm as many of your competitors.  Honesty goes a long way, dishonesty can ruin your business. Nobody would have cared if you opened yet another mixer, but people do care if you promise to do something more than what you're competitors are doing, but you fail to prove this in any substantial way.


I will leave you with an in real life fictional fiat equivalent of what you CLAIM to be doing:
I'm going to the philipines next week and I want to bring 5000 euro's cash with me. I've heared that the president of the philipines is very hard on drug offences, and i know most euro bills have traces of cocaine on them. Since i don't want to be arrested, i only want to bring certified clean money with me.
I meet you on the street. You tell me you have a hook up at the central bank that can provide you with 100% legal, freshly printed, never used 20€ bills... You tell me that if i give you 5100 euro's of my potentially cocaine-carrying euro bills, you'll give me 5000 euro's in never used bills in return.
The day arrives, I give you 5100 euro and you give me an enveloppe back. When i'm home, i open the enveloppe and find 4900 euro's in old, used bills.
Since you gave me an anonymous email address to contact you for more business, i shoot you a mail to complain... A couple days later i get following response:
"yes, i had 5000 euro's in sparkling new bills, but i wanted to protect my source at the bank, so i took those bills to the local coffeeshop (a dutch shop where they sell cannabis products). I gave him the 2500 euro's in new bills, and in return he gave me 2400 euro's from his cash register. I mixed those 2400 euro's with 2500 euro in new bills and gave them to you...".
Why on earth would you do this? I payed to get 5000 euro's in new bills, not 2500 euro's in new bills and 2400 euro's in bills that have even a greater potential of being tainted with drugs. I cannot take these 4900 euro's to the philipines.
What it actually looks like you're doing is even worse: you never had 5000 euro clean bills. You just used old bills to give to me, pocketing 200 euro's.

Now, i'm pretty sure you'll twist this post around and find new ways of saying exactly the same thing... I'm going to step out of this thread since it's pretty clear you're not interested in showing any kind of proof, hiding behind the fact that you say you want to protect both your miners and your customers.
I personally think it would be pretty trivial to produce evidence, even if it means you'd have to re-clean a small portion of your funds... But hey, it's up to you if you want to be trusted or if you want to be yet another sketchy mixer that's only being used by people that know little or nothing about this ecosystem.

Piece out

[whalemixer1]

Well , as we said before and even stated on our site, we dispense fresh mixed coins
This are aged coins from freshly mined coins which are mixed within our ecosystem to cut the vendors details (Our miners) to make it look like its genuine coins but the difference with other mixers are , we do not mix coins from clients and dispense as this is just basically mixing dirty coins with dirty coins and if one gets flagged, all the mixing gets flagged. Although there will be no evidence of whose coin is whose, but it will definitely raise a flag 

Our mixer takes freshly minted coins, some are old and some are new , mixed within our ecosystem, broken into smaller batches to dispense. once dispensed, the remaining unspent balance are mixed again before the next payout.

By doing this , It truly cuts the trail . Then the not clean money are used by other means and never allowed back into the same pool where the fresh coins are. Thats why we have a limit of fresh coins available and only able to operate as long as we have this funds available. We are not like other mixer that use the same funds and coinjoin to make it harder and deeper to track but definitely not impossible especially using fuzzy logic neural network to track point of origin.

Well we still like to believe that our system still outperforms many mixers out there since we are not a mixer. We dispense fresh coins which are farmed , aged and mix within our ecosystem .

Try doing a block forensics on our outputs and you can never tell its from a mixer or the relations with the input coins since the dispensed coins are totally independent fresh set of coins

We are not new kids on the block. We been dispensing fresh coins for a while now. We been only a new kid on this forum as our founders are paying us for marketing and ramping up marketing efforts . Our clientele goes beyond this forum and time...

We will keep this forum running in event of any service notices or if anyone can find a flaw in our system that actually puts the mixing outputs at risk. We truly appreciate to keep our clients safe and we would like to be in business for many times to come.

We apologies to our clients as much info were given but do ensure, We only give information that does not put you and me at risk. The information given was only basic understanding of our ecosystem but not the actual mechanics or even the proof of the holding blocks that everyone is trying to fish out . We will never reveal our master account under any circumstances as we consider this as a major leak of information...

Nice try btw trying to fish for details, btw are you guys int3rpol or the F3ds ? trying to shut us down by looking for reasons ? because we are truly cutting the trails ? feel challenged ?? because we are different from other mixers ? and there is no way of tracking the mixing ? Nice try

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[Vod]

By doing this , It truly cuts the trail

Geez man, I've already figured out how to use Quantum services to re-acquire address ownership after mixers.   Do you understand what "fungible" means?  Each coin is identical - there is no such thing as a "tainted" coin if it has no trail/history..

Anyway, I received your PM explaining your situation and asking me to trust you.  You've made two extraordinary claims.  First, that you have 50BTC and your partners have another 5,000BTC.  Second, you claim to have a way of sending coin without revealing the sending address.  

Therefore I understand that your signing a message with coin is impossible since it will reveal your sending address.  So I propose this:

1) Tell your partners you could not convince us you have half a billion dollars on your word alone.  (Sorry)
2) Ask them to do a test transaction and send a clean coin to an address you control.  
3) Sign that address with a message.

If you cannot do that, please do not contact me again.  

[whalemixer1]

By doing this , It truly cuts the trail

Geez man, I've already figured out how to use Quantum services to re-acquire address ownership after mixers.   Do you understand what "fungible" means?  Each coin is identical - there is no such thing as a "tainted" coin if it has no trail/history..

Anyway, I received your PM explaining your situation and asking me to trust you.  You've made two extraordinary claims.  First, that you have 50BTC and your partners have another 5,000BTC.  Second, you claim to have a way of sending coin without revealing the sending address.  

Therefore I understand that your signing a message with coin is impossible since it will reveal your sending address.  So I propose this:

1) Tell your partners you could not convince us you have half a billion dollars on your word alone.  (Sorry)
2) Ask them to do a test transaction and send a clean coin to an address you control.  
3) Sign that address with a message.

If you cannot do that, please do not contact me again.  

We undestand you want to view our partners main holding account , as we said This will compromise our clients account and this will effect the safety of the mixing. We cant do that. although this will lead to trust that we have over 5000 BTC for mixing, but we value our mixing quality. Quality means more than whether you are trying to fish our main account .

We understand what you wanna see but we cant show that . I am sorry this has to end abrupt . We have to protect our customers at all cost .

Thanks for your concern

Have a great day

[Vod]

Despite wild accusation that we are holding 5000 btc or not holding 5000 btc

It's a wild statement to claim you hold any btc at all.  It's a simple accusation that you are lying.
I sent you instructions on how we can kill all discussion of your honesty and start discussing your service.

Why won't you prove anything?

[whalemixer1]

Despite wild accusation that we are holding 5000 btc or not holding 5000 btc

It's a wild statement to claim you hold any btc at all.  It's a simple accusation that you are lying.
I sent you instructions on how we can kill all discussion of your honesty and start discussing your service.

Why won't you prove anything?

Because we feel you are the f3ds or int3rpol trying to fish our main account.
You do realize that if we reveal our holding account. Then our mix will no longer be secured as there will be ability to trace to our clients account ? We are not able to reveal our account that holds our funds .

Its really okay if you trust us or not about our total holdings, but we cant reveal the main holding account with all our funds due to security concerns

Hope this helps to understand why we react such.

[mocacinno]

ugh....  
I said i'd stay away, but this topic is getting bumped to my "updated topics" all the time, and i was tempted to take a (hopefully last) peek. What i've read triggered me to make a (hopefully last) post in this topic.

I see the OP has moved on from unproven claims to baseless accusations: OP, what's with the 1337 5p34k (for the normal people, like me: "1337 5p34k" = "Leet Speak", like saying F3ds instead of feds, or Int3rpol instead of interpol)?
No, i'm not a member of any law enforcement agency... I'm not an agent of the FBI or Interpol. I wouldn't tell you if i was, but i'm not. I'm a community member, and i care about people that might be tempted to use your service after reading (potentially) false promises. Believe me, if i was a law enforcement agent, i'd keep my mouth shut and let you make promises you can't live up to, it would make my life a lot easyer...
If you claim to be sending out "fresh" coins, but in reality you're just re-cycling unspent outputs from previous clients (like i think you're doing, but i'm unable to proof this without a shadow of a doubt), your new clients might be thinking they received funds without any history, while in reality they're just receiving tainted funds from somebody else.

This isn't that big of a deal, like VOD already said: fungibility... But still, if you claim to be delivering a service, you should deliver said service... It doesn't matter if the service you're actually providing is fine: If it's not what you promised, it's not OK. If you wouldn't have made those big claims, i wouldn't be pummeling you...

Before i continue, I want to address the following statements you made about me when you said (and i'm quoting you):

• "Nice try btw trying to fish for details, btw are you guys int3rpol or the F3ds ?" => already addressed this issue... I don't know any F3ds or int3rpol, are they hacker groups? If you mean law enforcement: also no...
• "trying to shut us down by looking for reasons ?" => the reason is pretty simple: i do not believe your statements and you don't want to prove anything, giving reasons that are basically smoke and mirrors for not having to prove your statements. But even if i don't believe you: why do you think i could shut you down? If you did your homework, you should be running on a bulletproof host in a safe country, so nobody could shut you down... The only thing I can do is analyse your client's transactions, point out flaws and ask for explanations or proof (which i'm doing right now, and eventough you say you want people to point out flaws, you're not taking criticism well i'm afraid)
• "because we are truly cutting the trails ?" => if you are, prove it
• "feel challenged ?" => why would i? Because i'm in chipmixer's campaign? I'm not the owner of chipmixer, and they do not censor me... As a matter of fact, over the last 3 months, i clearly remember looking at 2 other mixing methods and vouching for them... If the mixer is good, i'll say so... If it looks like smoke and mirrors, i also speak up (like in this case)
• "because we are different from other mixers ?" => How? Do you really expect us to just take your word for it? That's not how this community works.... "Don't trust, verify"
• "and there is no way of tracking the mixing ?" => Wot? I only saw 1 person i truely trust (TryNinja) posting 1 transaction after he tested out your sevice and i tracked it over 100 levels deep... It was one of the simpelest traces i've ever followed. What are you talking about?
• "Nice try" => thank you... But i'm not even trying here... Sure, i'm putting some effort into my post, but that's about it. I didn't even have to log into the server running my node, since the trace was so obvious following it on blockstream.info was good enough.

So far, I've seen following statements passing by (i'm paraphrasing):

• You initially claimed to have >5000 BTC, but this was debunked and you passed it off as a communication error (it's your partners that hold these funds, you only have 50 BTC at your disposal)
• You claim to have 50 BTC at your disposal, but you don't want to prove this, claiming it would hurt your customer's privacy (eventough anybody who mixes their funds trough you will immediatly know the source of your funds... Making me believe you don't want to protect your customer's privacy, you just want that mixing fee... The price of your customer's privacy is a 3% fee...)
• You claim to use "fresh" coins, but no matter how deep i dig, i can't see a coinbase transaction. You claim this is because these coins get mixed, split up, aged... But if you're mixing these coins with other funds, it defeats the purpose of delivering "fresh" coins, and aging and splitting wouldn't hide the fact you're using coinbase transactions. Merely aging and splitting would still allow me to find coinbase transactions, which i don't... Hence I think you're not using "fresh" coins at all. I must admit I haven't followed all traces, but i followed quite a few... And i found: zip, nada, nothing, nihil... If i was looking at the wrong outputs: prove it... TryNinja posted his tx id, it's out in the open without other people having to pay the 3% fee to start analysing (not like that would stop law enforcement), so go ahead: starting from tx id a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a SHOW me the fresh coins TryNinja payed for!!! He says he payed ~20% in fees (in total, including transaction fees, but not counting any merging fees or re-mixing fees) PROOF that he got worth his money... That's what you owe your clients: not claims but verifyable facts... SHOW him
• You claim you cannot prove your partners funds because it would hurt their privacy: you cannot have a cake and eat it to.... You pay your partners, your customers pay you: you should be putting your customer's mind at ease, not cover for your partners. The person ultimately paying deserves the truth... As for your partners: I don't see why they cannot switch coinbase addresses and not use an OP_RETURN in one or two blocks. It would take them mere minutes to setup, and if they do so, nobody could ever track them down... There is no way of knowing who mined a certain block UNLESS the miner re-uses the address that gets funded by the coinbase transaction OR if he adds an OP_RETURN. If they put >700 coinbase rewards at your disposal, i don't see why they couldn't mine one anonymous block and sign a message with the new, previously-unused address that got funded with the coinbase reward. They're making money with this enterprise, the least they can do is put 10 minutes of effort in... Unless they don't exist?
• You claim (and i'm looking at/quoting VOD's post) "to have a way of sending coin without revealing the sending address". Interesting... .Please tell us the technical details.... Because, if i look at TryNinja's tx id, it looks like you're just using a nested segwit wallet. Even more, his tx id debunked quite a few of your claims... The pattern i see is really obvious: a chain of transactions generated by a nested segwit wallet. Each time, the change unspent output is re-used: clients get payed and the change goes to a new nested segwit address. The change funding this nested segwit address is used as an input for the next client's withdraw. If you have more than 1 client (or if the client gives 2 output addresses) we're seeing a batch payment (send to many). For the top-up it's also always the same, about ~1 BTC flows in, coming from mixed types, looking like a rag-tag of unspent inputs being combined, exactly what i'd expect as an input from your customers (but that's just an assumption, not proof)... Doesn't matter how far i dig, no "fresh" coins are being used

For what i'm concerned, without any evidence to the contrary, what you're saying is just smoke and mirrors... Coinbase rewards cannot be hidden, transactions are recorded on the blockchain, and it's always possible to see which unspent output has been used as an input for which transaction, so it's always possible to follow the transaction chain back to it's origin. Well, except if you start using things like coinjoined transactions, but that's not the case here.
Since coinbase transactions cannot be hidden, it's ALWAYS possible to discover "freshly" generated coins. In the end, if you go far enough back, you'll always end up with a coinbase transaction, but if you have to dig >100 levels deep, i wouldn't dare to call it "fresh" coins. 10 levels, sure... 20 levels, maybe... 30 levels, no way...

I do have one additional question, and i truely hope you answer it honestly: are you the developer, or did you buy this script from somebody else? In other words, are you defending your own work, or are you defending work that has been done by a thirth party?
Do you understand the claims you're making, or are you putting your trust into somebody else?
Also, do you trust those "russian and chinese" miners, did you verify them? Or could it well be some random dude on the internet selling you dirty funds while telling you he is a miner that has mixed, aged and split his coinbase rewards, pocketing some money from your customers in the process?

I realise you're in a tight spot: you have a business and you want to keep on running it... 2 longtime community members are starting to nitpick and ask you to "put your money where your mouth is", and you're in a spot where you either have to give proof, admit you were wrong (intentionally or unintentionally) or keep on spewing out smoke and mirrors. So far, you have chosen the latter.... I don't see your business having a bright future this way, so i'd kindly give you a suggestion: switch strategy.... There is a (small) chance i'm wrong, and you (or your dev) are really good at your job and succesfully made it look like TryNinja's mixing output was one thing, while in reality it was something completely different... It's possible, but everything i see point the other way... PROOF me wrong.... If you give concrete EVIDENCE i'm wrong, not at one of my assumptions but at every assumption i've made about your service so far, and i'll publicly state i was wrong in this very thread, and maybe even in your trust feedback.

Now, I hope you don't start slinging new unfounded accusations my way... I don't want to deal with you, but i also don't want baseless claims to stand unchallenged, potentially harming new members of the forum that only read your last post(s).  If you have proof, show it... I'm not interested in more smoke and mirror stories as to why it's impossible to prove anything. The bitcoin protocol is well described, the blockchain is easily parsable. Nothing magical happens here, everything is very clear and readable. There is no hocus-pocus here. Sure, there are smart ways to handle mixing, but i really don't think this is what's going on. Trying to discredit me or start a rambling about things that simply cannot be or things that are easily provable (but you won't) don't change a single thing

[whalemixer1]

As we said this coins are freshly minted coins , its aged and its mixed with fresh coins to avoid blockchain forensics to locate our main fresh coin account, its not mixed with tainted or clients coins.

if some of the coins has many levels deep before the coinbase , it coulds be due to our internal mixer thats mixed it to multi level.

What set us different from other mixers is , they mix with other clients coins, where else we dont. We do not mix cliensts coins before dispensing

[mocacinno]

As we said this coins are freshly minted coins , its aged and its mixed with fresh coins to avoid blockchain forensics to locate our main fresh coin account, its not mixed with tainted or clients coins.

if some of the coins has many levels deep before the coinbase , it coulds be due to our internal mixer thats mixed it to multi level.

What set us different from other mixers is , they mix with other clients coins, where else we dont. We do not mix cliensts coins before dispensing

Okay... Put your money where you mouth is...
TryNinja payed 20% in total, he says his addresses got funded using transaction a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a
Show me which coinbase rewards that have been used to pay him...

And please, don't start telling me that you need to protect your client's security, the tx id is known... It's out there... You cannot take it back... Anybody can follow the trace of unspent outputs if he/she has enough time to follow the trace... I followed it to a reasonable depth, but i could not discover any coinbase transaction within reasonable distance from tx a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a. You promised to pay your clients with fresh coins, so you should be able to give this info since it's now considered to be PUBLIC knowledge.

You have the wallet, you should be able to give us the exact trace from coinbase transaction x to payout transaction a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a, so please tell us which block and the trace from this block to TryNinja's payout.

Once again: no smoke an mirrors... It's a public ledger, the data is final and known to anybody... I couldn't find any coinbase transactions, but maybe i'm wrong... Use the public ledger and information anybody could find to prove TryNinja wasn't scammed into an inferior product. "Aged" and "split" mine didley squad, you promised fresh coins, you should be able to prove that this is what you delivered. Mixing with used coins is already pretty sketchy since you said you'd be providing "fresh" coins, but at this point i'd even be willing to overlook this fact if you could prove that within a reasonable distance of tx a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a there is any coinbase reward that was controlled by you...

[mocacinno]

So... After a huge search.... I DID find a couple coinbase transactions. I assumed i'd find some, after all, every trace has to end with a coinbase transaction (per defenition), so if you search long enough, you're bound to find one eventually...
Before you jump into the air and tell me you were right all along, skip to the bottom for my conclusion...

I had to plow trough 313900 outputs (i can post them if you want), but i found 2 coinbase transactions that can be linked remotely to TryNinja's output:
transaction 8def694164f5fc811041738f3db4518f21078cc112a7acb4cdd806c9942c469a is a coinbase transaction funding address 147SwRQdpCfj5p8PnfsXV2SsVVpVcz3aPq with 6.96556045 BTC
transaction 6cc2919828a42560696e173577b9adfa7a0dabc7fb35143856b9210eb331b4b3 is a coinbase transaction funding address 147SwRQdpCfj5p8PnfsXV2SsVVpVcz3aPq with 6.47483880 BTC

both unspent outputs are merged with a thirth one (>10 BTC) and  spent in transaction bdfbfee25cd935abb128fc632faa9a105d0ae7b6d1ab32b8cc15e452ce2372af funding:
1MQgJCTEvxE17hnQgjR1QYzpgLEWjRX5zw with 0.00501127 BTC
14UeiGPDfPiBuhc6jXrcBR8ntS1SfCWUBa with 0.00512741 BTC
3Psydwi2jcn1g4jfkYHfoZ9wZPjjm9Sjj7 with 0.00516750 BTC
3Hmga8nbWxE34MuaXYn8RQjzLAtiNsj2ZQ with 0.00520982 BTC
34E4k6Xqp78UnzZgkcEdE4pxeXzFg7yEWq with 0.00521250 BTC
1Fve39anikQgaVKedQKAtLyuWX9bLDWnV7 with 0.00524362 BTC
1NDwNwjzy4tX6ZFn2T69JYMjPvuBgezkm7 with 0.00524362 BTC
19E6roGm5tCyD6AFkdHiVEhVBH7jDmDg4C with 0.00524968 BTC
3HMArbkQicJ7rQCqsxKh5jiad7Pana3zkM with 0.00525150 BTC
1PP4RvShCV7xFxZqDCxAa6xAJLDHuFZKUy with 0.00540578 BTC
1EJtJjf6Vu2cScP8uQYSjmwkazji5GGZ6d with 0.00540578 BTC
1KPHGbJZoSuBp41sAUB1WZHFFxfpUt2yLL with 0.00543816 BTC
1C5x8ffRrvUrxVrvtDcYBjCNoGM9kbH6uz with 0.00559730 BTC
1Pzrca66w4RwW6FcAdvh28nNtXX9manBZa with 0.00562635 BTC
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15L3z1fWhXk42sEbqdfoqY5mog1bnFHDYH with 0.01007898 BTC
1LQHiawVEPUXtHvrd8T4ok6QhJhZVN5phd with 0.01025409 BTC
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34oqXGWjPTpyoaXAkTgiQaDUphZaWKoEU2 with 0.01067721 BTC
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3C91jAH4k1YLaHcushcKX6Pi6V9hcAqRAt with 0.01087643 BTC
3Nq3zkbP7aYndSGXRXmhVh1NnFPjD5tCEZ with 0.01095148 BTC
3GS2b9MZYUPsC2txrLFE7mJ4AZ27NPCciK with 0.01119629 BTC
3FiaietwfudsceKtaF8R4ePq1UbsCVxmAV with 0.01119629 BTC
1F5HEa6hLcBAVugvzjs7jbtzTACSxfNgrp with 0.01119629 BTC
1NsW6UaJpVkdx514iAY12BtWUjMjayBH5A with 0.01119629 BTC
1NhAEP5anBsctjqHipwwYY9wHbQMJoCK5u with 0.01138206 BTC
1Gx8X4hD3v6ez9dYUcqRvFeXMAGdaGcV92 with 0.01171708 BTC
1ML3WNk1baBB93GhMeLVh2e1eBKLUdPRp7 with 0.01367560 BTC
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1PseYvD11DjqXqAZX4tJAKxJheVdtUbhQS with 0.01547518 BTC
1Cin6NH9AbfDsSzk8AtzJb4sUs3VQBYEFA with 0.01612188 BTC
1Fxof3ieRisPuwAWrxBRQzqnx1ATTFxQ5S with 0.01612474 BTC
1JrecstpYy4FySLtgioTNbPXP71kJFPE4F with 0.01692190 BTC
1MVeoxyHnWTbfVpomrmDmu9e4A8r8Qynfm with 0.02003738 BTC
3FToeoKAHiPPGmPP3V61JukhVkGttyWsau with 0.02090359 BTC
138Cx6a4xmrfJX9SdryQtPacrPZwM9VAqD with 0.02483641 BTC
1JZxcGkoha6X1wSZNZEQ7BmpTm1SwrYoVa with 0.02946865 BTC
349guFMvdxY1UNcNLpbMrXkVnzfFyZuzPS with 0.03341718 BTC
37AtakbqF25Cngm1CSRiBx5gfjSnqDtC2H with 0.03893783 BTC
1MwJqkVZHGubrJ81X7o5fbgS4WYRr2o87r with 0.04328409 BTC
1F78SCR7DdizX1butsL7yxpYZXfVdPfmU9 with 0.04357264 BTC
13421KktHanJycg4nWkUMjM8B9vTCxBxWP with 0.04561205 BTC
15BPohaEyFQFvvMiSmeVYLdDhybdtTVyUR with 0.05359435 BTC
18PjNagRQkfQxUmY9Fo38F92QyFVvV4aXo with 0.05366102 BTC
17pXe5gAhSy9aaagKDP9dYVXhbjP4onuAN with 0.05664444 BTC
32ctGhN8rCwYNG6uGR49AbJHfs7S9ArUYf with 0.06720418 BTC
157mPXB4E1rUjt5g3ZdqCXA6uwqhebkZAZ with 0.07712358 BTC
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1BMjmWXy7hnYnJwCY1GYUsL9Ya9WdVZyTW with 29.27911400 BTC

3FToeoKAHiPPGmPP3V61JukhVkGttyWsau was funded with 0.02090359 BTC, this unspent output is used in transaction 9a2ec09aa7ada4c581e8b36d5ff56e09b784c547d7e11e9b8d01d03b5fa145e6.
This transaction merges 10 unspent outputs, some of witch have a value of > 9 BTC. So, the unspent output funding 3FToeoKAHiPPGmPP3V61JukhVkGttyWsau is neglectible... but still following addresses get funded:
bc1qncma32m7v7w9a28pwt4ks0gtqqmzqvh4j7yslh with 0.00111097 BTC
1BxZA5hKyYKkw1jgmVN4JjeF6aF31thjoy with 0.00121535 BTC
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bc1ql9nn04klgr272meuhatpcef2jewhydksnfsnwm with 0.02495043 BTC
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3GdMfVJvXDtzY7t3v7dYzm23RHfLRBfC1H with 0.09961279 BTC
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3Gk5NXjRr6KYjg88hNJpRXpqKSk5mYF426 with 0.10655585 BTC
3GrBgm9RKHHGt4etdwfjZwK11hAKQQ8s8v with 0.11052300 BTC
3Bi7jWrGMso7EHabPrXbmonv4bmC7FBbyu with 0.11320200 BTC
3JUCSCreEHADF8gBb6av5wjuamYQjtXXGF with 0.12563400 BTC
3NzHAfwLUkPLTb25UA1Ao6DZ4VddQA6ZCD with 0.15607179 BTC
12nbxYHVgVdP4wVF9eoa4vb5bdLrR8yShS with 0.19277000 BTC
3CDsXPsg7d9t3Ah6RUzzVTkCxRvNLWtygT with 0.20055816 BTC
3MkQohaonKcNTJTbSV6HQS4bkT2MeJDn9B with 0.20691671 BTC
34wdNYp6JfWo3qpva8QsJKpEGhCiNjDeqh with 0.30000000 BTC
3GMhMAYiYScUFAXUzDthqkoGh6jBGZjESE with 0.33361896 BTC
1No7Gfb4WMSP83v4UyZcnt47EsqWPh8Wnk with 0.53173408 BTC
3CSCn8vp9JiBSFcYf4EE7p1AvsBgAWFoMs with 6.30097501 BTC

bc1q6f7usdrwhldsmjlagyw3xqxlm5r30ac8vzuds3 was funded with 0.00721000 BTC , this unspent output is used in transaction 60efc87dd0d3630b24f12785aae3eaac05e494f6e98a9e54d295c0f6e1ae366f.
following addresses get funded:
bc1q386274dh4ggx8qh4xplwevk3s406dpk6xasqpq with 0.00002130 BTC
3FKdyA28KPePVCqn7JTeG84yPSgPf3XQa8 with 0.00700000 BTC

bc1q386274dh4ggx8qh4xplwevk3s406dpk6xasqpq was funded with 0.00002130 BTC, this unspent output is used in transaction bf080035ff8f7106f2efb2cbbc67a0f0492da7848d3e89525d6b818b43662fd8.
This transaction merges 3 unspent outputs, some of witch have a value of > 300 times the value of the output that can be remotely linked to the coinbase transaction. So, the unspent output funding bc1q386274dh4ggx8qh4xplwevk3s406dpk6xasqpq is neglectible... but still following addresses get funded:
39yNZHRzKESkjkNXeHswW5FM7U74Ns3r7K with 0.00630000 BTC
bc1qtuyyc560nkc64xrzg2hmfs9zfcy08p32knernt with 0.00005535 BTC

39yNZHRzKESkjkNXeHswW5FM7U74Ns3r7K was funded with 0.00630000 BTC, this unspent output is used in transaction 33e5ba37967cd58803f2590eb7654ad52e16ba47563d2585fa163f46f04c290a.
This transaction merges 21 unspent outputs, some of witch have a value of > 10 BTC. So, the unspent output funding 39yNZHRzKESkjkNXeHswW5FM7U74Ns3r7K is neglectible... but still following addresses get funded:
bc1qq904ynep5mvwpjxdlyecgeupg22dm8am6cfvgq with 1.11585090 BTC
3ByKbDxF1iAMRVjBQFBXq6rRhatn3ht62V with 9.81882623 BTC

bc1qq904ynep5mvwpjxdlyecgeupg22dm8am6cfvgq was funded with 1.11585090 BTC, this unspent output is used in transaction 18a6e8f710c4940fee550d391a0d6866f28d055e4c64ba9345a911b46500f485.
this transaction merges 2 unspent outputs, but at least the value of the trace we're following is the biggest for once. following addresses get funded:
bc1qq904ynep5mvwpjxdlyecgeupg22dm8am6cfvgq with 1.09772462 BTC
37JyhLx9UEKReCaWUcrQruL235dDESVeXA with 0.04159130 BTC
3LLwYJM7MAo4QShH2T4b6TtrXuAUX9Bnd7 with 0.00376290 BTC

bc1qq904ynep5mvwpjxdlyecgeupg22dm8am6cfvgq was funded with 1.09772462 BTC, this unspent output is used in transaction 790b6b5288ee7aa8f461cc508a0cd66df759cf942d28e73fd2b36eb1ab9fb32b.
following addresses get funded:
bc1qq904ynep5mvwpjxdlyecgeupg22dm8am6cfvgq with 1.05052544 BTC
16bS3XJHsPm6FrQ8CkabgzKLbjPB63Evic with 0.00333120 BTC
36LTHYxEKAUwH3svuEaMMd4H5WsPHPiJCb with 0.01004610 BTC
1HyPD91iSoqj4jATEoGwfDZE8H4wHxvPHr with 0.01512420 BTC
1GJWFqcU7AF1hHULVpT8a2fWCkLpSvbjVt with 0.01268650 BTC
14vjPjaGvnEAfuUMYEPZEKDVoBDpieYGrg with 0.00563310 BTC

bc1qq904ynep5mvwpjxdlyecgeupg22dm8am6cfvgq was funded with 1.05052544 BTC, this unspent output is used in transaction 8bad716ea8b1d939cc65ef0755c9a4cdda16b0e214777c048306803660f07079.
following addresses get funded:
bc1qq904ynep5mvwpjxdlyecgeupg22dm8am6cfvgq with 1.02979074 BTC
19a6Ajzk1mEcLWmVESmyS1N3UhfpXCwsuj with 0.00524740 BTC
14zXdS59qqAX7CPg4s5UTEH54LTPV56Jiw with 0.01145850 BTC
3DacLhaPUFgu9gyHiR3xyQx1LvNugny5ww with 0.00376210 BTC


bc1qq904ynep5mvwpjxdlyecgeupg22dm8am6cfvgq was funded with 1.02979074 BTC, this unspent output is used in transaction 317c506231050fb91e28280879341c558ae13721526e3da5c40f8bcd0b9c0993.
following addresses get funded:
bc1qq904ynep5mvwpjxdlyecgeupg22dm8am6cfvgq with 1.01522632 BTC
1sNvVCBGHZ6VgCmJPneFFTsGS9B2FsofS with 0.00869840 BTC
1JrkMDBEBZV1zsqCzWXuRRe5oxbUwfhiLh with 0.00563640 BTC

bc1qq904ynep5mvwpjxdlyecgeupg22dm8am6cfvgq was funded with 1.01522632 BTC, this unspent output is used in transaction 317c506231050fb91e28280879341c558ae13721526e3da5c40f8bcd0b9c0993.
following addresses get funded:
bc1qq904ynep5mvwpjxdlyecgeupg22dm8am6cfvgq with 1.00244913 BTC
3Me7uCA7ygHwDcKYmL95Eev2SK7GY99Z4m with 0.00995139 BTC
17a4H8hsEg2y6xcrRydQyjxkcxWmvJfrXW with 0.00259700 BTC

bc1qq904ynep5mvwpjxdlyecgeupg22dm8am6cfvgq  was funded with 1.00244913 BTC, this unspent output is used in transaction 83ea3e871ecc9cec72c498f3d8698646c9aa9bdef82dd3991bbc58bfd49b6e0f.
following addresses get funded:
bc1qq904ynep5mvwpjxdlyecgeupg22dm8am6cfvgq with 1.00244913 BTC
3Me7uCA7ygHwDcKYmL95Eev2SK7GY99Z4m with 0.00995139 BTC
17a4H8hsEg2y6xcrRydQyjxkcxWmvJfrXW with 0.00259700 BTC

3Me7uCA7ygHwDcKYmL95Eev2SK7GY99Z4m was funded with 0.00995139 BTC, this unspent output is used in transaction 5f357c4369d74f38f8a7230b497b5a7c20741a97c3744571422407d7dca70f05.
following addresses get funded:
3H7YJooRbp69PttCagcyozsRSLNNDuYAga with 0.00011719 BTC
3CvaLN1zcJTF9qMZx8KhHSEwJ59DxZemer with 0.00965718 BTC

3CvaLN1zcJTF9qMZx8KhHSEwJ59DxZemer was funded with 0.00965718 BTC, this unspent output is used in transaction a88c84f418796d540615ca6b4acfc1ed2f23460430b0d6640e615fc1a04d4a80.
following addresses get funded:
3FYgikz3JL99eiNSaeM9pnozX2u1TnZD7z with 0.00102000 BTC
3BeQHdZMwE7gAfYYPzg2DHCPLJoRRkuBoK with 0.00853364 BTC

3BeQHdZMwE7gAfYYPzg2DHCPLJoRRkuBoK was funded with 0.00853364 BTC, this unspent output is used in transaction 746d1dfb24afd3c4322f003b9c78a21f062ee307ed970fbc043d98ee4655201c.
following addresses get funded:
33MZENT6Lg4Hc7fRJoaBEkvhng8GWCvuRp with 0.00026000 BTC
37gnxrPCzC1dTJtGJAYCegPt2RKaXvTtF6 with 0.00817010 BTC

37gnxrPCzC1dTJtGJAYCegPt2RKaXvTtF6 was funded with 0.00817010 BTC, this unspent output is used in transaction 8b09f9702a90270769872af44bc5f6db1d7658b48ac62e1d50ebc7d1df6c8f46.
following addresses get funded:
1LP8WPE2C1UzKogfLWhu18UgpsVhwrpNbU with 0.00021240 BTC
12XSTJTz3PRWV3Nai3gVk6tVGK8xPwe5vD with 0.00060135 BTC
3BoDB5FCFKZFgXuDGx956GFiMZLK8eaPMB with 0.00723049 BTC

3BoDB5FCFKZFgXuDGx956GFiMZLK8eaPMB was funded with 0.00723049 BTC, this unspent output is used in transaction 9840051b37ae9e979526fb744c6ae222eeee0aafdad176400c82dcbf55a65733.
following addresses get funded:
3EaAoRdnrbWQujm1irZ4XUw91sghLMszAF with 0.00068210 BTC
3LmhRaUXAPsS6mZGr7RiyBzwTBxSiaEUQg with 0.00645320 BTC

3LmhRaUXAPsS6mZGr7RiyBzwTBxSiaEUQg was funded with 0.00645320 BTC, this unspent output is used in transaction a576790d4b0180611d9703d86538f943120ce928dafc4daf016128a66fb4730a.
This was TryNinja's transaction....

So, bottom line... Final conclusion... You got lucky (i assume)...
If i disregard ALL inputs that have nothing to do with any coinbase transaction (more than 300.000!!!!) and ONLY focus on the traces that could be remotely linked to the two coinbase transactions, one could *theoretically* say that TryNinja's outputs contains a tiny percentage of fresh coins...
I mean, the percentage is truely tiny... IF you look at the transaction spending the coinbase rewards (so, the very first step):
bdfbfee25cd935abb128fc632faa9a105d0ae7b6d1ab32b8cc15e452ce2372af
value in: 30.40966025 BTC
value in from the coinbase rewards: 13,44039925 BTC
value out to the rest of our trace: 0.02090359 BTC
So, at this point in time, 99,9% of the "fresh" coins dissapear from our trace, only 0.1% remains...

The next transaction 9a2ec09aa7ada4c581e8b36d5ff56e09b784c547d7e11e9b8d01d03b5fa145e6 decimates this fraction even further....

Even then, there's a huuuuuge distance between the coinbase transactions and TryNinja's transaction, and this was the ONLY time in your output stream that i've ever encountered any coinbase transactions: you got lucky (i assume)...

Both blocks were mined by a miner using 1THash&58COIN in his OP_RETURN. These guys seem to have a webpage: https://www.1thash.com/ .

[whalemixer1]

WOW you really did a intensive analysis on this transaction.

Thank you for the analysis

You are a true genius


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[mocacinno]

WOW you really did a intensive analysis on this transaction.

Thank you for the analysis

You are a true genius

I'm a dog with a bone, not a genius
I'm trying to protect this community, that's all...

By the way: you're telling me you thank me for the analysis, but don't address the main issue that was proven by this analysis....

--snip--
However if anyone finds flaws in our safety of our mixing , kindly discuss (This is more important to us and safety of our clients are more important)
--snip--
we will continue to keep it secured to be the best fresh coin dispenser on this planet, so good that mixing will be so last generation

Okay... Let me give you the ELI5(~ish), TL;DR; version...
Let me be clear from the start: I found a flaw in the safety of your mixing. I kindly discuss. This is more important to you than (well... you never said than what it was more important). Anyways, it's important to me to protect the community, so that should be enough motivation. Please read in full and understand my findings and questions before you answer... If not, your answer will be incomplete or unfunded.

Please, respond giving evidence... Tell me where i'm wrong... Show me the flaws in my way of thinking... Point out where exactly you have those fresh coins... I'm not a deity, i can make mistakes... I can overlook things, i can make calculation errors, i can have wrong assumptions... My script can have bugs, my graphs can be incorrectly interpreted. It's up to you (the business owner) to point out these flaws in order to regain the trust of your potential customers and not drive them away with smoke and mirrors. Since we're working with a technology that's clear, open source and well described, you should be able to do so using hard facts.

My concrete questions... could you answer them to stop this discussion once and for all?:

• Do you stand by your claim that says you're providing fresh coins?
• Do you understand that, in the bitcoin world, fresh means: "coming from a coinbase reward"?
• Is TryNinja telling the truth when he posted the withdrawal transaction id?
• Do you see a flaw in my logic when i dug 5000 of the closest transactions funding TryNinja's output and only found 2 very distant coinbase rewards adding allmost nothing?
• Do you see a flaw in my logic when i calculated that only 0,000000000000000019% of the value funding TryNinja's "clean" addresses comes from a coinbase reward from the 5000 closest transactions funding those clean addresses?
• Are you still unwilling to let your partners prove they are real miners by mining a block using a new address as a coinbase reward without adding an identifying OP_RETURN and sign a message using this new address (so there is no way to identify them?)
• Last time, i identified the 2 blocks that could very remotely be linked to TryNinja's output to be coming from 1THash&58COIN. Are they your partners?
• Apparently, in a PM to Vod, you claimed to have "a way of sending coin without revealing the sending address". If this is true, you should share the technical details... If it's just security trough obscurity you are NOT protecting your clients. Only by sharing technical details, we can asses if the method you claim to have discovered is valid, and will keep on protecting your clients in the future. If you are unwilling to give the method, i can only assume it does not exist, or it's a method that will sooner or later be discovered by others that can then use it to de-anonimise your past clients
• Do you understand that, when you say you have 50 BTC but proof nothing, we are a big sceptical?
• Do you understand that, when you say you have 50 BTC but your site tells us you have >5000 BTC, you are putting complete trust in the hands of your partners? What if somebody initialises a 100 BTC mix and your partner's api is not completely working (or then ran away), you'll be standing there unable to provide a mix eventough you promised to do so?
• Once again: are you the developer or are you defending somebody else's script?
• Once again: do you understand all the technical details of your operations or did you pay somebody else to do it for you?
• Once again: why are the security headers not yet fixed
• Why do you run an nginx version with known vulnerability's
• Why do you include external javascript

So, here's the TL;DR; part:

• We are talking about bitcoin.
• Bitcoin uses a decentral ledger that contains (in parsable form) an unambiguous list of transactions. Each transaction uses unspent outputs as an input and creates new unspent outputs as an output (unless it's a coinbase transaction, this one only creates a new unspent output without having an input). This creates a possibility to follow the trail of unspent outputs BACK to the "fresh coins".
• It's ALWAYS possible to follow the trail of unspent outputs back to the point of the coinbase transactions... if an unspent output is still in the UTXO, it might (in some cases) technically be possible to hide who will be able to spend this utxo, but once it's spent we can always follow the trail
• I dug 5000 hops deep from the transaction funding TryNinja's mixing output¹⁺². You promise fresh coins, 5000 is waaaaay over the top, but my initial tests with a reasonable amount of hops turned up nothing interesting so i dug deeper... I'd expect fresh coins to pop up a maximum of 3 or 4 steps away if you're saying they're fresh.... Mind you: steps... Aging does NOT come into play. Satoshi's addresses were funded with coinbase rewards >10 years ago. If he's spend those coinbase rewards today, there would only be 1 step between the coinbase reward and the address funded by spending the coinbase reward eventough the coinbase reward was added to the utxo set 10 years ago. Aging is not a factor here.
• I was able to proof that there were only 2 coinbase transactions in these 5000 hops, they were 17!!!!! steps away.
• 2 coinbase transactions in 5000 hops 17 steps away is NOT good... As a reference, i scanned 500 hops for the last transaction funding my own public address, and i found 47 coinbase transactions, some of them 6!!!! steps away³. Mind you: this wasn't result of a mix or some promise to get payed with "fresh" coins... It was just a signature payment (IIRC), so i'd even expect the coins to be "dirtyer" than "average" coins (yeah, i know, dirtyer and cleaner are just terms... fungibility is the key here, but still a promise of fresh coins is a promise of fresh coins).  Also, realise that for your funds i went 10x deeper, so I should have turned up 10 times more, not 23 times less coinbase transactions.
• A small calculation can proof⁴ that ony 0,000000000000000019% of TryNinja's funds could VERY remotely be linked with a coinbase transaction in the 5000 closest transactions leading up to his transaction. Don't tell me this is by design. If your mixer created hundreds of transactions to hide the source of the funds for just a handfull of clients, you wouldn't be charging a 3% fee. Each of these hops has a price, both in tx fees, hardware resources and time... No way you tumbled these funds hundreds of times to payout a couple clients.
• Sure, if i'd go 50.000 or 100.000 hops, or 10.000.000 hops, we'd probably end up with a lot of coinbase transactions... But it would be more than a stretch to call them "fresh". When the network started, there was nothing. Every unspent output can ultimately be traced back to a coinbase reward if you dig deep enough... This doesn't mean they are "fresh" tough

Now, once again: i'm not saying that your mixer is bad per sé... I'm just saying that many of your claims (like the "fresh coins" claim) are provably false or at least very shaky and unproven (not unprovable, but unproven)...
Sure, there is fungability, and the most important part of a mixer is breaking the link between two wallets. It's very well possible your mixer is doing exactly this... I didn't dig into those transactions funding your output wallet... I have focussed on the "fresh coins" promise, and i think i succesfully proved this is not the case.
A 5000 node search should have turned up more than 0,000000000000000019% of the funds coming from a coinbase reward. If you'd open up a bar and you used the same percentage to dilute your whiskey, you'd be filling a bathtub (158 liters) with tap water and then adding  0.03 femtoliter of whiskey... That's basically just opening a whiskey bottle a couple of centimers above the water surface and closing it up right away... Do you think your customers would be happy if they ordered a whiskey and they got a small glass of water from a bottle that has been standing next to a whiskey bottle for a couple of hours? I, for one, wouldn't be to happy about this, even if you said that all water was once whiskey that got pissed out and filtered by nature at one point in it's life, or if you started to explain how exactly you opened the whiskey bottle and how long it stood next to the water bottle before you sold me tap water as being whiskey...



Details:
Source 1
here's the sourcecode of the script I wrote, so you can check it out for yourself:
https://github.com/mocacinno/howfarfromcoinbase/


Source 2
a nice graph showing just how far those coinbase rewards are from TryNinja's withdrawal... Mind you: everything not in the path between the coinbase rewards and the withdrawal tx has been pruned:
Tryninja-coinbase
(the image is so big i decided to create a link)


Source 3
As a comparison: the last unspent output funding my public address... Uncleaned, no promises of "fresh" coins. Mind you: everything not in the path between the coinbase rewards and the withdrawal tx has been pruned:
mocacinno-coinbase
(the image is so big i decided to create a link)


Source 4
Now, compare it to
tx bdfbfee25cd935abb128fc632faa9a105d0ae7b6d1ab32b8cc15e452ce2372af spends the coinbase unspent outputs:
IN : 30.40966025 BTC
IN(coinbase): 13,44039925 BTC
%(coinbase) = 13,44039925/30.40966025 = 44,2%
We continue with the unspent output funding address 3FToeoKAHiPPGmPP3V61JukhVkGttyWsau with 0.02090359 BTC
This means, 0.02090359 * 0.442 = 0.01 BTC is coming from the coinbase rewards at this point (and i'm rounding upwards here...)

the next tx: 9a2ec09aa7ada4c581e8b36d5ff56e09b784c547d7e11e9b8d01d03b5fa145e6
IN : 9.73792545 BTC
IN(coinbase): 0.01 BTC
%(coinbase) = 0.01/9.73792545 = 0,00103%
We continue with the unspent output funding address bc1q6f7usdrwhldsmjlagyw3xqxlm5r30ac8vzuds3 with 0.00721000 BTC
This means, 0.00721000 * 0,0000103 = 0,0000000743 BTC is coming from the coinbase rewards at this point (and i'm rounding upwards here...)

the next tx: 60efc87dd0d3630b24f12785aae3eaac05e494f6e98a9e54d295c0f6e1ae366f
IN : 0.00679735 BTC
IN(coinbase): 0,0000000743 BTC
%(coinbase) = 0,0000000743/0.00721000= 0.0000103%
We continue with the unspent output funding address bc1q386274dh4ggx8qh4xplwevk3s406dpk6xasqpq with 0.00002130 BTC
This means, 0.00002130* 0.000000103 = 0.0000000000022BTC is coming from the coinbase rewards at this point (and i'm rounding upwards here...)

the next tx: bf080035ff8f7106f2efb2cbbc67a0f0492da7848d3e89525d6b818b43662fd8
IN : 0.00679735 BTC
IN(coinbase): 0.0000000000022 BTC
%(coinbase) = 0.0000000000022/0.00679735= 0.000000000324%
We continue with the unspent output funding address 39yNZHRzKESkjkNXeHswW5FM7U74Ns3r7K with 0.00630000 BTC
This means, 0.00630000 * 0.00000000000324= 0.0000000000000205BTC is coming from the coinbase rewards at this point (and i'm rounding upwards here...)


the next tx: 33e5ba37967cd58803f2590eb7654ad52e16ba47563d2585fa163f46f04c290a
IN : 10.93865414 BTC
IN(coinbase): 0.0000000000000205 BTC
%(coinbase) = 0.0000000000000205 /10.93865414 = 0.0000000000000019%
We continue with the unspent output funding address bc1qq904ynep5mvwpjxdlyecgeupg22dm8am6cfvgq with 1.11585090 BTC
This means, 1.11585090 * 0,000000000000000019= 0.0000000000000000212 BTC is coming from the coinbase rewards at this point (and i'm rounding upwards here...)

the next tx: 18a6e8f710c4940fee550d391a0d6866f28d055e4c64ba9345a911b46500f485
IN :
1.14340176 BTC
IN(coinbase): 0.0000000000000000212  BTC
%(coinbase) = 0,0000000000000000212 /1.14340176= 0.000000000000000019%
We continue with the unspent output funding address bc1qq904ynep5mvwpjxdlyecgeupg22dm8am6cfvgq with 1.09772462 BTC
This means, 1.11585090 * 0,00000000000000000019= 0.000000000000000000212 BTC is coming from the coinbase rewards at this point (and i'm rounding upwards here...)

At this point, the unspent output funding bc1qq904ynep5mvwpjxdlyecgeupg22dm8am6cfvgq is being recycled and recycled... So the %coinbase remains the same @0,000000000000000019%
This goes on to the transaction paying TryNinja... So TryNinja received 99,999999999999999981% coins that are hundreds of nodes away from any coinbase transaction and you tell us you're using fresh coins....

[whalemixer1]

would fresh set of coins make more sense in this context ? although its from the farm , it could be from ages ...
so what would be the best wordings to your suggestions.

We dispense fresh set of coins ?

just to note we are not a mixer that takes your coin and mix it, we dispense a new set of coins

[mocacinno]

would fresh set of coins make more sense in this context ? although its from the farm , it could be from ages ...

I don't really get what you're trying to say here...
Fresh coins = coins coming from a coinbase reward, coins without history... This is basically the unofficial defenition of fresh coins... You already understood this from the start, since you initially said you were working with russian and chinese miners.

I personally think that somebody could make a lot of money selling the unspent outputs from a coinbase reward at a higher profit margin... The thing is: if you promise fresh coins, you have to deliver fresh coins, not start telling us the coinbase rewards are hidden, mixed, aged,... This means nothing to us, fresh = fresh, not mixed, split up, aged, hidden,.... Some of these things don't make any sense at all, hence i label them "smoke and mirrors" (in other words: a clever way of distracting people by dragging in a lot of technical details newbies might not comprehend).

Age does NOT come into this equation by the way. Like i said in my previous post: if Satoshi himself would sell the coinbase reward of one of the first couple of hundred blocks he mined 10 years ago, the unspent output funding the buyer's address would only be 1 step away from a coinbase reward, hence it would be called "fresh" by any definition of the word. Fresh has nothing to do with age, but only with the distance between the analysed unspent output and the unspent output generated as a coinbase reward.

so what would be the best wordings to your suggestions.

We dispense fresh set of coins ?

just to note we are not a mixer that takes your coin and mix it, we dispense a new set of coins

I don't really have a suggestion... The thing is: you can not, under any circumstances promise to dispense "fresh coins from russian and chinese mining farms" but then send somebody funds that are in no way coming from any mining reward dozens of levels deep. It's just that simple...

If you open up a butcher shop and you sell only pig's meat, you cannot sell (cheaper) chicken's meat instead. You said you were selling pig, when i get the meat i bought from you analysed, it better be coming from a pig. If it's chicken, the exuse that the chicken was fed some expired pig's meat a week ago will not stand.
You are selling fresh coins, so they'd better be fresh. If not you'll need to rebrand your operation. The blockchain is an open ledger. Anybody can parse all the blocks and follow the trail of unspent outputs. If you twist the truth, you'll get caught.
There's a market for a normal mixer, there is no shame in being one... There probably will be a market for somebody that doesn't want his mixing output coming from other clients of your mixer.... There's probably a market for people that want to be payed using funds that can be directly linked to coinbase rewards... Just see which category you fit in and tell the truth... That's the only way you'll have a sustainable business. If you twist the truth, you'll start getting negative trust on bitcointalk and other forum's, you'll get negative reviews on many platforms, you'll get negative messages on twitter, reddit,... and you'll only get a handfull customers a day.


I see you didn't answer a single one of my questions, so i'll ask them again... Could you please provide an answer?

• Do you stand by your claim that says you're providing fresh coins?
• Do you understand that, in the bitcoin world, fresh means: "coming from a coinbase reward"?
• Is TryNinja telling the truth when he posted the withdrawal transaction id?
• Do you see a flaw in my logic when i dug 5000 of the closest transactions funding TryNinja's output and only found 2 very distant coinbase rewards adding allmost nothing?
• Do you see a flaw in my logic when i calculated that only 0,000000000000000019% of the value funding TryNinja's "clean" addresses comes from a coinbase reward from the 5000 closest transactions funding those clean addresses?
• Are you still unwilling to let your partners prove they are real miners by mining a block using a new address as a coinbase reward without adding an identifying OP_RETURN and sign a message using this new address (so there is no way to identify them?)
• Last time, i identified the 2 blocks that could very remotely be linked to TryNinja's output to be coming from 1THash&58COIN. Are they your partners?
• Apparently, in a PM to Vod, you claimed to have "a way of sending coin without revealing the sending address". If this is true, you should share the technical details... If it's just security trough obscurity you are NOT protecting your clients. Only by sharing technical details, we can asses if the method you claim to have discovered is valid, and will keep on protecting your clients in the future. If you are unwilling to give the method, i can only assume it does not exist, or it's a method that will sooner or later be discovered by others that can then use it to de-anonimise your past clients
• Do you understand that, when you say you have 50 BTC but proof nothing, we are a big sceptical?
• Do you understand that, when you say you have 50 BTC but your site tells us you have >5000 BTC, you are putting complete trust in the hands of your partners? What if somebody initialises a 100 BTC mix and your partner's api is not completely working (or then ran away), you'll be standing there unable to provide a mix eventough you promised to do so?
• Once again: are you the developer or are you defending somebody else's script?
• Once again: do you understand all the technical details of your operations or did you pay somebody else to do it for you?
• Once again: why are the security headers not yet fixed
• Why do you run an nginx version with known vulnerability's
• Why do you include external javascript

[dkbit98]

This is just amazing research done by mocacinno who invested a lot of time in this, and not to discredit whalemixer in any way but he simply asked some questions like all of us and never received a normal answer from them, but maybe they will learn something until they magically run out of their fake fresh bitcoins.
I am putting whalemixer on my ignore list, I will not engage in any discussion here anymore and I would advice anyone to avoid using their misleading service.

[whalemixer1]

would fresh set of coins make more sense in this context ? although its from the farm , it could be from ages ...

I don't really get what you're trying to say here...
Fresh coins = coins coming from a coinbase reward, coins without history... This is basically the unofficial defenition of fresh coins... You already understood this from the start, since you initially said you were working with russian and chinese miners.

I personally think that somebody could make a lot of money selling the unspent outputs from a coinbase reward at a higher profit margin... The thing is: if you promise fresh coins, you have to deliver fresh coins, not start telling us the coinbase rewards are hidden, mixed, aged,... This means nothing to us, fresh = fresh, not mixed, split up, aged, hidden,.... Some of these things don't make any sense at all, hence i label them "smoke and mirrors" (in other words: a clever way of distracting people by dragging in a lot of technical details newbies might not comprehend).

Age does NOT come into this equation by the way. Like i said in my previous post: if Satoshi himself would sell the coinbase reward of one of the first couple of hundred blocks he mined 10 years ago, the unspent output funding the buyer's address would only be 1 step away from a coinbase reward, hence it would be called "fresh" by any definition of the word. Fresh has nothing to do with age, but only with the distance between the analysed unspent output and the unspent output generated as a coinbase reward.

so what would be the best wordings to your suggestions.

We dispense fresh set of coins ?

just to note we are not a mixer that takes your coin and mix it, we dispense a new set of coins

I don't really have a suggestion... The thing is: you can not, under any circumstances promise to dispense "fresh coins from russian and chinese mining farms" but then send somebody funds that are in no way coming from any mining reward dozens of levels deep. It's just that simple...

If you open up a butcher shop and you sell only pig's meat, you cannot sell (cheaper) chicken's meat instead. You said you were selling pig, when i get the meat i bought from you analysed, it better be coming from a pig. If it's chicken, the exuse that the chicken was fed some expired pig's meat a week ago will not stand.
You are selling fresh coins, so they'd better be fresh. If not you'll need to rebrand your operation. The blockchain is an open ledger. Anybody can parse all the blocks and follow the trail of unspent outputs. If you twist the truth, you'll get caught.
There's a market for a normal mixer, there is no shame in being one... There probably will be a market for somebody that doesn't want his mixing output coming from other clients of your mixer.... There's probably a market for people that want to be payed using funds that can be directly linked to coinbase rewards... Just see which category you fit in and tell the truth... That's the only way you'll have a sustainable business. If you twist the truth, you'll start getting negative trust on bitcointalk and other forum's, you'll get negative reviews on many platforms, you'll get negative messages on twitter, reddit,... and you'll only get a handfull customers a day.


I see you didn't answer a single one of my questions, so i'll ask them again... Could you please provide an answer?

• Do you stand by your claim that says you're providing fresh coins?
• Do you understand that, in the bitcoin world, fresh means: "coming from a coinbase reward"?
• Is TryNinja telling the truth when he posted the withdrawal transaction id?
• Do you see a flaw in my logic when i dug 5000 of the closest transactions funding TryNinja's output and only found 2 very distant coinbase rewards adding allmost nothing?
• Do you see a flaw in my logic when i calculated that only 0,000000000000000019% of the value funding TryNinja's "clean" addresses comes from a coinbase reward from the 5000 closest transactions funding those clean addresses?
• Are you still unwilling to let your partners prove they are real miners by mining a block using a new address as a coinbase reward without adding an identifying OP_RETURN and sign a message using this new address (so there is no way to identify them?)
• Last time, i identified the 2 blocks that could very remotely be linked to TryNinja's output to be coming from 1THash&58COIN. Are they your partners?
• Apparently, in a PM to Vod, you claimed to have "a way of sending coin without revealing the sending address". If this is true, you should share the technical details... If it's just security trough obscurity you are NOT protecting your clients. Only by sharing technical details, we can asses if the method you claim to have discovered is valid, and will keep on protecting your clients in the future. If you are unwilling to give the method, i can only assume it does not exist, or it's a method that will sooner or later be discovered by others that can then use it to de-anonimise your past clients
• Do you understand that, when you say you have 50 BTC but proof nothing, we are a big sceptical?
• Do you understand that, when you say you have 50 BTC but your site tells us you have >5000 BTC, you are putting complete trust in the hands of your partners? What if somebody initialises a 100 BTC mix and your partner's api is not completely working (or then ran away), you'll be standing there unable to provide a mix eventough you promised to do so?
• Once again: are you the developer or are you defending somebody else's script?
• Once again: do you understand all the technical details of your operations or did you pay somebody else to do it for you?
• Once again: why are the security headers not yet fixed
• Why do you run an nginx version with known vulnerability's
• Why do you include external javascript

Okay we will answer the questions

• Do you stand by your claim that says you're providing fresh coins?

- Yes we dispense fresh set of coins which is not mixed with clients old coins. Its a fresh new set of coins . Unlike mixers, we do not mix the coins rather dispense new fresh set of coins independent of the received coins

• Do you understand that, in the bitcoin world, fresh means: "coming from a coinbase reward"?

Fresh means new set of coins

• Is TryNinja telling the truth when he posted the withdrawal transaction id?

We are not able to check due to how the privacy of the mixer. We have to take his word for it. There is no logs therefore we cant check 

• Do you see a flaw in my logic when i dug 5000 of the closest transactions funding TryNinja's output and only found 2 very distant coinbase rewards adding allmost nothing?

The coins received has no relationship between received and sent account, Therefore its fresh , We buy this fresh coins

• Do you see a flaw in my logic when i calculated that only 0,000000000000000019% of the value funding TryNinja's "clean" addresses comes from a coinbase reward from the 5000 closest transactions funding those clean addresses?

It could be mixed with coinbase and miners reward as transaction fees

• Are you still unwilling to let your partners prove they are real miners by mining a block using a new address as a coinbase reward without adding an identifying OP_RETURN and sign a message using this new address (so there is no way to identify them?)

We have signed an NDA with our clients that provides us with the new set of coins, therefore we cant 

• Last time, i identified the 2 blocks that could very remotely be linked to TryNinja's output to be coming from 1THash&58COIN. Are they your partners?

We are not able to reveal as this is against the security mechanism of our system

• Apparently, in a PM to Vod, you claimed to have "a way of sending coin without revealing the sending address". If this is true, you should share the technical details... If it's just security trough obscurity you are NOT protecting your clients. Only by sharing technical details, we can asses if the method you claim to have discovered is valid, and will keep on protecting your clients in the future. If you are unwilling to give the method, i can only assume it does not exist, or it's a method that will sooner or later be discovered by others that can then use it to de-anonimise your past clients

The interesting thing about our mixer, There is no way to identify the senders and the receivers since we send out new set of fresh coins from the coins sent, we are not a mixer rather a new set of coins dispenser. thats why we cant mix unlimited amount of coins rather only available fresh coins.

• Do you understand that, when you say you have 50 BTC but proof nothing, we are a big sceptical?

It doesn't really matter if we hold 0 or 100BTC or 5000 BTC as long as we are able to perform the mixing. We said because you asked else its really doesnt matter. As long as there is no scam acquisition, we shall assume the mixer is mixing without issues.

• Do you understand that, when you say you have 50 BTC but your site tells us you have >5000 BTC, you are putting complete trust in the hands of your partners? What if somebody initialises a 100 BTC mix and your partner's api is not completely working (or then ran away), you'll be standing there unable to provide a mix eventough you promised to do so?

In event we cant fullfill the mix , we will return the amount back to senders address unmixed, thats why we need time between 5 minutes to 12 hours random delay. This serves as 2 security ,
1) for us to get funds if its more than 50BTC which we hold , else we need to get from our partners. we have a fail prove understanding with the partners such a way that we dont deal in trust , rather an escrow
2) random delay so there is no database setting an exact time of dispense to truly cut the trail. No prove, no case

so far we never had a problem 
 

• Once again: are you the developer or are you defending somebody else's script?

The owner is the developer

• Once again: do you understand all the technical details of your operations or did you pay somebody else to do it for you?

The owner understands the mechanism

• Once again: why are the security headers not yet fixed

Which ?

• Why do you run an nginx version with known vulnerability's

every server has vulnerabilities , even apache , we have patched the server with latest patch and also work consistently keeping the server safe. another mechanism is we have an external server (2 talkless database) that takes the info from the database and replace it with gibberish data on our main server. even we get hacked, the data there is just a decoy. We have taken many security steps to ensure safety.   

• Why do you include external javascript

To make our site scroll nicer with better effects, it also runs when javascript disabled


We hope this answers much of the questions . Thank you for the deep research and we and the community would really thank you for it

[whalemixer1]

Sorry for the late reply as we are in a holiday now since its Chinese New Year

Happy Year of the OX to everyone 过年好 / 過年好

Have a blessed year ahead

[LoyceV]

• Do you understand that, in the bitcoin world, fresh means: "coming from a coinbase reward"?

Fresh means new set of coins

So you're making up your own definition of "fresh" now?

• Do you see a flaw in my logic when i dug 5000 of the closest transactions funding TryNinja's output and only found 2 very distant coinbase rewards adding allmost nothing?

The coins received has no relationship between received and sent account, Therefore its fresh , We buy this fresh coins

Cute. But you said something different:

Whale mixer has a unique feature that doesn't actually mix coins but exchanges them from freshly minted or mined coins for exchange with your coin.

A mixer relies on absolute trust, which means you should never ever lie. You've just admitted this was a lie.

[mocacinno]

I was basically writing something that resembled LoyceV's answer, but when i made my post i was told LoyceV already made one while i was typing up my reply... The only thing is that i was going to add a couple of links that pop up on the first page (the first 10 hits) when you do a google search for "fresh bitcoins":

source : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-30/bitcoin-believers-see-a-moonshot-rally-as-a-reward-for-halving

... the reward Bitcoin miners receive for creating fresh bitcoins ...

source: https://cn.reuters.com/article/markets-bitcoin-mining-idINKCN0ZP060

... computers like Streng’s which are awarded fresh bitcoins in return for processing blocks of the latest bitcoin transactions

source: https://crypto2cashhq.medium.com/chainalysis-expects-to-raise-100-million-paypal-buys-70-of-new-mined-btc-and-coinbase-suspend-1803f4f6df7f

As is known, approximately 900 fresh bitcoins come onto the market per day, which is approximately 6,300 BTC per week.

source: https://99bitcoins.com/fresh-bitcoins-better-blocktrail-mint-sells-freshly-mined-btc/

“Fresh Bitcoins are better”: BlockTrail Mint sells freshly mined BTC

As for the security header's issue:
Strict-Transport-Security
Content-Security-Policy
X-Frame-Options
X-Content-Type-Options
Referrer-Policy
Permissions-Policy

And last but not least.... If you must include thirth party javascript (eventough you could just load said javascript from your own server, so there's less chance of malicious code injection, at least use SRI...

[whalemixer1]

I was basically writing something that resembled LoyceV's answer, but when i made my post i was told LoyceV already made one while i was typing up my reply... The only thing is that i was going to add a couple of links that pop up on the first page (the first 10 hits) when you do a google search for "fresh bitcoins":

source : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-30/bitcoin-believers-see-a-moonshot-rally-as-a-reward-for-halving

... the reward Bitcoin miners receive for creating fresh bitcoins ...

source: https://cn.reuters.com/article/markets-bitcoin-mining-idINKCN0ZP060

... computers like Streng’s which are awarded fresh bitcoins in return for processing blocks of the latest bitcoin transactions

source: https://crypto2cashhq.medium.com/chainalysis-expects-to-raise-100-million-paypal-buys-70-of-new-mined-btc-and-coinbase-suspend-1803f4f6df7f

As is known, approximately 900 fresh bitcoins come onto the market per day, which is approximately 6,300 BTC per week.

source: https://99bitcoins.com/fresh-bitcoins-better-blocktrail-mint-sells-freshly-mined-btc/

“Fresh Bitcoins are better”: BlockTrail Mint sells freshly mined BTC

As for the security header's issue:
Strict-Transport-Security
Content-Security-Policy
X-Frame-Options
X-Content-Type-Options
Referrer-Policy
Permissions-Policy

And last but not least.... If you must include thirth party javascript (eventough you could just load said javascript from your own server, so there's less chance of malicious code injection, at least use SRI...

Thank you for pointing out , We will look for better wordings. maybe "new set of coins" ?
any suggestions ?

[whalemixer1]

After almost 2 weeks we have ran out of LiteCoin , today we have added 300 Litecoin into our mixer
Fisrt come first serve
Happy mixing

[LoyceV]

today we have added 300 Litecoin into our mixer

PM me a signed message proving ownership and I'll confirm it here without exposing the address(es).

I know, this is wishful thinking. You don't have 300 Litecoin.

[whalemixer1]

today we have added 300 Litecoin into our mixer

PM me a signed message proving ownership and I'll confirm it here without exposing the address(es).

I know, this is wishful thinking. You don't have 300 Litecoin.

We cant provide a signed message as its against our security protocols

Thank you

[whalemixer1]

SCHEDULED MAINTAINANCE NOTICE

Whalemixer.com will not be available from 2/17/2021 from 14:00 UTC until 14:30 UTC for a scheduled upgrade to our servers

Be ensured that no logs will be kept to ensure clients privacy

[whalemixer1]

The above maintenance notice is only for clearnet server
Our Tor server will be operational during this upgrade

Thank you for your understanding 

[whalemixer1]

We are giving out USD 2000 worth of Bitcoin Cash BCH to 20 people

USD 100 x 20 Winners

Just reply to this post with your BCH address and we will send the winnings to that address.

If there is more than 2 post, we will randomly choose only 20 winners

Contest starts now for 24 hours [timestamp now]


Thank you for your support

[LoyceV]

We are giving out USD 20 worth of Bitcoin Cash BCH to 2 people

This will get you banned. On-forum altcoin giveaways are not allowed on Bitcointalk. I haven't reported your post yet, so you can edit/remove it.

Anyone joining this giveaway also risks getting banned.

[whalemixer1]

We are giving out USD 20 worth of Bitcoin Cash BCH to 2 people

This will get you banned. On-forum altcoin giveaways are not allowed on Bitcointalk. I haven't reported your post yet, so you can edit/remove it.

Anyone joining this giveaway also risks getting banned.

Oh IC , where can i open a post for giveaways ?

[whalemixer1]

Oh you mean i can give away Bitcoin ?

[whalemixer1]

As for our only negative trust issued towards our system by this user called VOD ,

She has demanded ransom to remove the negative trust. This girl just made a wild accusation and demanding money to remove this negative trust .

This is not ethical

evidence of the PM sent a private message to me asking money: https://ibb.co/W5rC8Zz

[LoyceV]

demanding money to remove this negative trust .

Technically, that's not what your screenshot shows. It shows there will be a view to review it again, not to remove the negative feedback. In other words, there's no guarantee a review will remove it.

This is not ethical

If the PM is authentic, I agree it's unethical indeed.

[mocacinno]

Even if you feel VOD treated you in an unethical manner, i still wonder why you chose to share a PRIVATE message without consent... IMHO, sharing private messages isn't ok.

[whalemixer1]

demanding money to remove this negative trust .

Technically, that's not what your screenshot shows. It shows there will be a view to review it again, not to remove the negative feedback. In other words, there's no guarantee a review will remove it.

This is not ethical

If the PM is authentic, I agree it's unethical indeed.

What i mean to say was , he demended money to review my services which indeed is legit which will end up in removal of the trust. How can she even blame my services as scam when the whole world is using it without issues but magically he can just smell scam out of thin air ?

The PM is authentic

[whalemixer1]

Even if you feel VOD treated you in an unethical manner, i still wonder why you chose to share a PRIVATE message without consent... IMHO, sharing private messages isn't ok.

I really dont know who do i get consent from ?
Came to a point its not ok for me to do anything but its ok for VOD to say "Any coins you send to this service are a donation."
The whole world is using whalemixer.com without issues but its okay to blame without prove

but its not okay for me to point out VOD is trying to get ransom with prove .

abit not fair no ?

[LeGaulois]

Look like I'm the only one but the PM didn't appear to be a serious demand to me.
It's was his way to say he has no time and doesn't want to be bothered with the case of his feedback given. If you would have asked him how much for the fee, he would have probably answered something like $1 million to be sure you'll never accept.

[LoyceV]

the whole world is using it without issues

I've seen several mixers turn into a scam. You're not convincing me with claims like this.
Issues have been discussed in this thread already, such as the claim in the title ("Freshly Mined Coins") which is a lie.

[whalemixer1]

the whole world is using it without issues

I've seen several mixers turn into a scam. You're not convincing me with claims like this.
Issues have been discussed in this thread already, such as the claim in the title ("Freshly Mined Coins") which is a lie.

I think you got us wrong, what we mean to say is the coins are fresh , not mixed with the old crypto as done by other mixers.

Other mixers takes the coin and coinjoin them to make it harder to trace, but not impossible to trace with time.

On other hand, we issue new fresh set of coins and this coins came from the rewards for mining as we purchase this coins.

the coins are however mixed within the fresh coin ecosystem without mixing them with the old coin sent to the system.

This makes us safer than other mixers as there is no trail between sent coins with the received coins.

[whalemixer1]

Look like I'm the only one but the PM didn't appear to be a serious demand to me.
It's was his way to say he has no time and doesn't want to be bothered with the case of his feedback given. If you would have asked him how much for the fee, he would have probably answered something like $1 million to be sure you'll never accept.

How can it be not a serious demand ? someone put a negative trust on you without any evidence , then demands money to review the false claim ...
How would you feel if someone puts a negative trust saying this person is a scammer and demands money to review that claim ? if thats not ransom then what is ?

[LoyceV]

I think you got us wrong, what we mean to say is the coins are fresh , not mixed with the old crypto as done by other mixers.

So you're saying what you say isn't what you mean to say?

Other mixers takes the coin and coinjoin them to make it harder to trace, but not impossible to trace with time.

That's not what mixers do, it's what Wasabi Wallet does.

On other hand, we issue new fresh set of coins and this coins came from the rewards for mining as we purchase this coins.

Stop lying.

the coins are however mixed within the fresh coin ecosystem without mixing them with the old coin sent to the system.

Lol, that's the basics of any mixer. Except for mixers shouldn't lie.

This makes us safer than other mixers as there is no trail between sent coins with the received coins.

You're not safe, and I don't trust you.

Warning:
This is my last post in this topic. I've seen many reasons not to trust this user and website. I'll stop posting here so I can stop bumping this topic. It should disappear from the first page of Service Announcements.

[whalemixer1]

Well we cant do much convincing chipmixer little puppies innit

However we ensure our clients safety using this mixer

Our mixer is running fine with or without your remarks


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We will be offline for one hour starting now [timestamp]

We are scheduled to be back online within 30- 60 minutes

Our upgrade is to install the lastest version of server engine

This is to continue keeping the mixer safe and to increase the speed of rendering

Thank you for your support

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[whalemixer1]

Our services are back online and we have upgraded our server for a faster and more customer friendly interface

thank you for the support

[whalemixer1]

After running out of Fresh Litecoin for mixing

We have got 100 fresh litecoin for mixing available now

We are still having issues with acquiring fresh litecoin as our Litecoin supplier is limited

Thank you for the kind understanding

[newbybooby]

Sent 30 usd yesterday to Whalemixer address
(it's interesting why they gave me already used address, but no matter)
Random time 5 min - 12 hours, they say.
No btc ...

I don't think that I'll receive my btc. Even so, I would suppose that they have no system and just send transactions manually. And of course you can't be sure that you'll receive your btc in right time.

If I receive my currency, I'll white here about fee paid and where the coins are from.

[whalemixer1]

Kindly read our Terms and Conditions

If the amount is small and the network fee is high at that time , It will take maximum of 24 hours to deliver when congestion is lower
This is to save the network fee to ensure small transactions gets good return ,
Else clients gonna pay network fee of 13 USD for a 30 USD mixing

Although this happen very rarely , but this random delay ensures extra protection from traceability and cuts the correlativity of sender and receiver further
This ensures the highest level of protection for our clients.

Please contact us at our website or our support  whalemixer@protonmail.com if funds doesnt not reflect in 24 hours
We are here to assist in every inquiries

We take every client seriously and the integrity of the mixing is best ensured

Thank you for using our services

[newbybooby]

Alright, received btc.
Sorry for previous post, for now mixer is NOT scam.

All 3 addresses I gave to mixer to receive btc used as outputs in one transaction. Why? What's the point to use multiple addresses if they are used in one transaction?

And coins from whalemixer are almost directly sent from few exchanges.

[whalemixer1]

Alright, received btc.
Sorry for previous post, for now mixer is NOT scam.

All 3 addresses I gave to mixer to receive btc used as outputs in one transaction. Why? What's the point to use multiple addresses if they are used in one transaction?

And coins from whalemixer are almost directly sent from few exchanges.

Thank you for using our services, We appreciate the feedback

We reuse the sending address to our clients to further confuse the transaction history. This adds a better layer of security and anonymity as the address is used for mixing and also other non-mixing transactions.

Yes We mix coins from direct from miners and miners exchange rather than with clients coins itself. This means the coins sent does not get mixed with clients coins to enhance the traceability to nil making this mixer one of the safest

Again we would like to thank you for using our fine services

[whalemixer1]

Scheduled maintenance notice

We will be conducting service maintenance to our servers from

06:30 UTC Tuesday, 7 June 2021 until
08:00 UTC Tuesday, 7 June 2021

Our site will be offline for the following time to allow our IT engineers to update the server to latest software update

Mixer will not be available on both TOR and clearnet during the update exercise

This is to ensure our server runs on the latest security updates

This will ensure our client enjoys the best from us in sense of security and server speed for a better user experience

There could be a delay of mixing on this update season.

We apologize for any inconvenience caused

[whalemixer1]

Our Scheduled maintenance is sucessful

We have install latest patches to ensure highest security
The speed of our website is enhanced as well

Happy mixing

[foolazz22]

Our Scheduled maintenance is sucessful

We have install latest patches to ensure highest security
The speed of our website is enhanced as well

Happy mixing

Your site seems still down, is there some extra time maintenance or why?

[whalemixer1]

Our Scheduled maintenance is sucessful

We have install latest patches to ensure highest security
The speed of our website is enhanced as well

Happy mixing

Your site seems still down, is there some extra time maintenance or why?

Thank you for the heads up

It was a network configuration error.

we have resolved the issue

Can we gift you with USD 25 worth of BCH for your kind support ?

[foolazz22]

[/quote]

Your site seems still down, is there some extra time maintenance or why?
[/quote]

Thank you for the heads up

It was a network configuration error.

we have resolved the issue

Can we gift you with USD 25 worth of BCH for your kind support ?
[/quote]

I'm not sure if it's against the rules to accept gifts? Could someone answer that, thank you. If not, I'll accept. BCH address qzj2gd3kw3u5refcc84nhyr6ngu6sk74354sf8xjfr

[whalemixer1]

Your site seems still down, is there some extra time maintenance or why?
[/quote]

Thank you for the heads up

It was a network configuration error.

we have resolved the issue

Can we gift you with USD 25 worth of BCH for your kind support ?
[/quote]

I'm not sure if it's against the rules to accept gifts? Could someone answer that, thank you. If not, I'll accept. BCH address qzj2gd3kw3u5refcc84nhyr6ngu6sk74354sf8xjfr
[/quote]


I think it should be okay, just a token of appreciation,

I have done transfer, crazy times with this Covid, Just lost 2 of my friends in China and Costa Rica in this battle,

Best wishes and stay safe buddy

[whalemixer1]

We are pleased to inform

Litecoin LTC is now available for mixing
units available 150 LTC

Happy mixing

[whalemixer1]

We are sorry to inform that

we no longer have stock in LTC Litecoin

we will work towards this and in talk with new providers to ensure consistent supply

Thank you for the support and Stay safe

[foolazz22]

[/quote]

I'm not sure if it's against the rules to accept gifts? Could someone answer that, thank you. If not, I'll accept. BCH address qzj2gd3kw3u5refcc84nhyr6ngu6sk74354sf8xjfr
[/quote]


I think it should be okay, just a token of appreciation,

I have done transfer, crazy times with this Covid, Just lost 2 of my friends in China and Costa Rica in this battle,

Best wishes and stay safe buddy
[/quote]

Did you make a transfer Did not receive anything, maybe some problem with my wallet. Here is another BCH address. qrczz2ps9pzswrp85zenlflm3k3mlwussu353ngmmt

[LoyceV]

I'm not sure if it's against the rules to accept gifts? Could someone answer that, thank you.

On-forum altcoin giveaways are against the rules (and can get you banned). It's allowed by PM.

Did you make a transfer Did not receive anything, maybe some problem with my wallet.

The address you posted received $25-ish around the time whalemixer1 posted this.

[foolazz22]

I'm not sure if it's against the rules to accept gifts? Could someone answer that, thank you.

On-forum altcoin giveaways are against the rules (and can get you banned). It's allowed by PM.

Did you make a transfer Did not receive anything, maybe some problem with my wallet.

The address you posted received $25-ish around the time whalemixer1 posted this.

I would have PM:d but it's not possible as noob/Jr member. So, it is a little weird. Never mind, 

[whalemixer1]

I'm not sure if it's against the rules to accept gifts? Could someone answer that, thank you. If not, I'll accept. BCH address qzj2gd3kw3u5refcc84nhyr6ngu6sk74354sf8xjfr
[/quote]


I think it should be okay, just a token of appreciation,

I have done transfer, crazy times with this Covid, Just lost 2 of my friends in China and Costa Rica in this battle,

Best wishes and stay safe buddy
[/quote]

Did you make a transfer Did not receive anything, maybe some problem with my wallet. Here is another BCH address. qrczz2ps9pzswrp85zenlflm3k3mlwussu353ngmmt
[/quote]

Yes we have transferred the amount to your wallet, we have verified the txid. Thank you again for the heads up

Happy mixing 

[whalemixer1]

I'm not sure if it's against the rules to accept gifts? Could someone answer that, thank you.

On-forum altcoin giveaways are against the rules (and can get you banned). It's allowed by PM.

Did you make a transfer Did not receive anything, maybe some problem with my wallet.

The address you posted received $25-ish around the time whalemixer1 posted this.

well noted on this giveaway, will follow the rules hereafter.
Thank you LoyceV

[whalemixer1]

We like to thank everyone for their great support towards our system ,
We are pleased to announce that we will be start Dogecoin (DOGE) within one month
This is such a proud moment for us as we are expending our services to include more coins
for mixing . Stay tuned as we will roll out new updates to our system.

Thank you everyone for their amazing support

谢谢你们。你们都是了不起的人

[whalemixer1]

We like to thank everyone for their great support towards our system ,


We are pleased to announce that we will be mixing Dogecoin (DOGE) on August 21st onwards


Thank you everyone for their amazing support

谢谢你们。你们都是了不起的人

[whalemixer1]

Willing to buy fresh Dogecoin to add to our reserve before our launch of Doge Mixing on our mainnet

Kindly do contact us

[whalemixer1]

Willing to buy fresh Monero and Litecoin to add to our reserve

Kindly do contact us

[dkbit98]

Willing to buy fresh Monero and Litecoin to add to our reserve

I wonder how on earth would you know if Monero coins are ''fresh'' or not and what special technique are you using to find out this?

[cryptoenthusiast777444]

A problem of not getting half of funds.

Sent a significant amount yesterday. Mixing - 100% to one wallet.
After 12 hours I've got only one half of the amount.
They gave me Whale Code and Whale Pass to track the status of mixing on their site, but it says there are no such records.
Mixing was started 13 hours ago so 1) money should come to me 2) the information on the website must be available.

Contacted support using website, requested the info Looking forward to getting the answer from them.

ps used a Clearnet address
whalemixer.com

I will let you know after the problem is resolved

[Tamagotchikiller]

A problem of not getting half of funds.

Sent a significant amount yesterday. Mixing - 100% to one wallet.
After 12 hours I've got only one half of the amount.
They gave me Whale Code and Whale Pass to track the status of mixing on their site, but it says there are no such records.
Mixing was started 13 hours ago so 1) money should come to me 2) the information on the website must be available.

Contacted support using website, requested the info Looking forward to getting the answer from them.

ps used a Clearnet address
whalemixer.com

I will let you know after the problem is resolved

Same here with clearnetlink.
Sent Coins. Output to 3 adresses.
Nothing received. It now alomost 24 hours passed.
Just wrote to support via clearnet.
Whale Code and Whale Pass said before 24 hours passed that there are no such records.

Will edit this post if the problem is solved.

[cryptoenthusiast777444]

A person to whom the funds were sent  (And for whom I made this post) said "Everything is OK now"
So my problem is Solved!.
Seems like it was a bug.

[Tamagotchikiller]

A person to whom the funds were sent  (And for whom I made this post) said "Everything is OK now"
So my problem is Solved!.
Seems like it was a bug.

How long did he wait?

I still didnt received any coins

[Tamagotchikiller]

They also provide 24/7 technical support.

Please solve my problem.

I still didnt received my coins.
It wasnt a small amount that I sent to the mixer and the support still didnt responded to my email.

Until my problem isnt solved and until I dont receive my coins this is a WARNING for all users:
DONT USE THIS SERVICE

I will edit my post, when my problem is solved.

[mocacinno]

They also provide 24/7 technical support.

Please solve my problem.

I still didnt received my coins.
It wasnt a small amount that I sent to the mixer and the support still didnt responded to my email.

Until my problem isnt solved and until I dont receive my coins this is a WARNING for all users:
DONT USE THIS SERVICE

I will edit my post, when my problem is solved.

I was trying to stay away from this thread, so i wouldn't bump it unnecessary...
This being said: this situation looks serious enough to step in. An unanswered accusation + the clearnet site seems to be down (can't check the .onion, since i'm @work, and we're not allowed to visit tor links)

AFAIK, whalemixer gave you a letter of guarantee that was signed with either their public pgp key, or with one of their addresses (can't remember which one). Would you mind sharing this letter in PM with somebody trusted from the forum (doesn't have to be me, you can pick somebody with a high rank you trust) so we can verify your claim? If somebody trusted checks your letter of guarantee, and it is valid, the community will stand by you if you decide to open a scam accusation or raise a flag. Do realise that the person you send the letter of guarantee to will know the address your "clean" funds were sent to... So if you don't trust this person, the mixing process is rendered void by this action.

btw: if you find somebody you trust, it might be a good idear to encrypt the letter of guarantee (the admin has access to the PM's, cloudflare is able to cache them aswell, and if the db is ever hacked again it's possible the hackers will also have access to those PM's)... Several users have posted their public key in this thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1159946.0;topicseen
here's mine: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1159946.msg14280786#msg14280786

[cryptomaaan]

Since [banned mixer] went down in Clearnet last week, I did some research on this forum and decided to use WhaleMixer on Saturday. I mixed a smaller amound around 0.1 BTC to 3 adresses  without any issues, just a quick info from my side....

[LoyceV]

I still didnt received my coins.

An unanswered accusation + the clearnet site seems to be down (can't check the .onion, since i'm @work, and we're not allowed to visit tor links)

The Tor site is down too.

AFAIK, whalemixer gave you a letter of guarantee that was signed with either their public pgp key, or with one of their addresses (can't remember which one). Would you mind sharing this letter in PM with somebody trusted from the forum (doesn't have to be me, you can pick somebody with a high rank you trust) so we can verify your claim? If somebody trusted checks your letter of guarantee, and it is valid, the community will stand by you if you decide to open a scam accusation or raise a flag. Do realise that the person you send the letter of guarantee to will know the address your "clean" funds were sent to... So if you don't trust this person, the mixing process is rendered void by this action.

I can verify Tamagotchikiller's Letter of Guarantee if they send it by PM, although I'm not sure if I can verify the data while the site is offline.
Note that using PM means Cloudflare can read it.

I still didnt received my coins.
It wasnt a small amount that I sent to the mixer and the support still didnt responded to my email.

On the archived version WhaleMixer claims to have 4145.99 BTC. That's more than $100 million. I don't believe any of this, and if you've sent a significant amount, it wouldn't surprise me if they pulled an exit scam.

[dkbit98]

I saw them asking to buy ''fresh'' Monero and Litecoin few days ago, and I asked them how they imagine to do this but I never received a reply.
It was always a risk dealing with them, we warned several times, and I see two people now complaining that they didn't receive their funds, so that deserves negative feedback.

Willing to buy fresh Monero and Litecoin to add to our reserve

A problem of not getting half of funds.

Sent a significant amount yesterday. Mixing - 100% to one wallet.
After 12 hours I've got only one half of the amount.
They gave me Whale Code and Whale Pass to track the status of mixing on their site, but it says there are no such records.
Mixing was started 13 hours ago so 1) money should come to me 2) the information on the website must be available.

Contacted support using website, requested the info Looking forward to getting the answer from them.

ps used a Clearnet address
whalemixer.com

I will let you know after the problem is resolved

Please solve my problem.

I still didnt received my coins.
It wasnt a small amount that I sent to the mixer and the support still didnt responded to my email.

Until my problem isnt solved and until I dont receive my coins this is a WARNING for all users:
DONT USE THIS SERVICE

I will edit my post, when my problem is solved.

[whalemixer1]

A person to whom the funds were sent  (And for whom I made this post) said "Everything is OK now"
So my problem is Solved!.
Seems like it was a bug.

How long did he wait?

I still didnt received any coins

From what we can see from our side , we can only check your whalecode it has been manually deleted before the mixing took place
If user manually deleted the logs , we have no access no any information to where the coins were suppose to be sent or which address it came from
This is a very important security features that we do to ensure the logs are destroyed and with no backup to ensure our clients security

Kindly email us with the transaction reference or blockchain reference , if the unmixed balance matches the amount you mentioned , we will refund back to your address that you sent the funds from. We will not collect any fees on this , however the miners fee/ transaction fee will be imposed for the transaction.

Kindly note that this happened because user manually deleted the logs before the mixing could be performed as the receiving address is permanently deleted once this actions has taken place.

[whalemixer1]

I saw them asking to buy ''fresh'' Monero and Litecoin few days ago, and I asked them how they imagine to do this but I never received a reply.
It was always a risk dealing with them, we warned several times, and I see two people now complaining that they didn't receive their funds, so that deserves negative feedback.

Willing to buy fresh Monero and Litecoin to add to our reserve

A problem of not getting half of funds.

Sent a significant amount yesterday. Mixing - 100% to one wallet.
After 12 hours I've got only one half of the amount.
They gave me Whale Code and Whale Pass to track the status of mixing on their site, but it says there are no such records.
Mixing was started 13 hours ago so 1) money should come to me 2) the information on the website must be available.

Contacted support using website, requested the info Looking forward to getting the answer from them.

ps used a Clearnet address
whalemixer.com

I will let you know after the problem is resolved

Please solve my problem.

I still didnt received my coins.
It wasnt a small amount that I sent to the mixer and the support still didnt responded to my email.

Until my problem isnt solved and until I dont receive my coins this is a WARNING for all users:
DONT USE THIS SERVICE

I will edit my post, when my problem is solved.

I think you miss calculated as there is only ONE person claiming not received their funds

and its due to the user manually deleted the logs before the mixing was able to process.

Please also mention the number of people that has successfully used the services without issues.

Be fair

[whalemixer1]

Since [banned mixer] went down in Clearnet last week, I did some research on this forum and decided to use WhaleMixer on Saturday. I mixed a smaller amound around 0.1 BTC to 3 adresses  without any issues, just a quick info from my side....

Thank you for the kind words and support towards our system.
Appreciate your kind feedback

[whalemixer1]

A person to whom the funds were sent  (And for whom I made this post) said "Everything is OK now"
So my problem is Solved!.
Seems like it was a bug.

Thank you for the kind words and support towards our system.
Appreciate your kind feedback

[dkbit98]

I think you miss calculated as there is only ONE person claiming not received their funds

No it is not miss calculation on my side and like everyone can see in my previous post I clearly quoted reply from two guys who complained they didn't receive their coins.
One guy later claimed it was a bug, so I wonder what bug was that?

Please also mention the number of people that has successfully used the services without issues.

I can't mention exact number of people who successfully used your service because I don't know the real stats.
Website was also not working so anything is possible with your service.

[LoyceV]

Now, my conclusion is very simple: you're not selling fresh coins.

Time for a reminder: WhaleMixer lies! Mixers shouldn't lie. Period. And responding in mumbo jumbo only makes it more suspicious.
It's demonstrated they don't sell freshly mined coins, and yet they're still claiming it:

WhaleMixer dispenses freshly mined coins from the farm

Our automated system accept coins into our system and we send new mixed coins from our mining rigs

Also:

That adds up to $42 million, without a shred of evidence. Not a single satoshi was proven. I'm pretty sure this is an exit scam waiting for a whale to believe their BS.

[Tamagotchikiller]

From what we can see from our side , we can only check your whalecode it has been manually deleted before the mixing took place
If user manually deleted the logs , we have no access no any information to where the coins were suppose to be sent or which address it came from
This is a very important security features that we do to ensure the logs are destroyed and with no backup to ensure our clients security

Kindly email us with the transaction reference or blockchain reference , if the unmixed balance matches the amount you mentioned , we will refund back to your address that you sent the funds from. We will not collect any fees on this , however the miners fee/ transaction fee will be imposed for the transaction.

Kindly note that this happened because user manually deleted the logs before the mixing could be performed as the receiving address is permanently deleted once this actions has taken place.

I didnt deleted anything.
Just used the service followed the steps. Output 3 adresses.
Then saved my whale code and whale pass and also my referance ID. Sent the coins to the given wallet.
Thats all.
After 12 hours I wanted to check the mix satus and it was said that there is nothing found. But the coins are on the wallet that was given to me.

I cant send "whalemixer1" any PM because it says "User 'whalemixer1' has not chosen to allow messages from newbies. You should post in their relevant thread to remind them to enable this setting."

Please get in touch with me also through PM here as I cant send you PM.

I already sent you a second email thorugh the clearnet website and a third one with transaction reference.
The first email is still not responded.

By the way, there was no letter of guarantee. Just Whale Code and Whale Pass and referance ID.

[mocacinno]

I has been a long time since i last checked out this mixer... But with this incident i re-investigated.

@Whalemixer1: your OP talks about a "letter of guarantee". In reality i just tested out starting a mix, and i don't see a letter of guarantee, i see some pieces of random string which you call "Whale CODE", "Whale PASS" and "Referance ID". What guarantee does these random strings offer to your clients? It looks like the answer is "none".

In your sector, a letter of guarantee means you generate an actual letter where you basically write down that anybody who sends funds to address(es) a, b, c,... during the next x hours, in a maximum of x transactions will receive x% (or x satosi's) deposited to address(es) x, y, z,... in a maximum timeframe of x hours.
Then, you sign this letter, using a private key (either GPG or BTC), from which the public key (or the address) is known to the public so it can be verified.

If you had done this, there would have been no discussion at all... Either your client did not have such a letter, so he was not entitled to a refund, or he did have such a letter proving (without a shadow of a doubt) that he was entitled to money from you. Now, it's word against word... He says he has some random pieces of string that don't give him any kind of proof, you say you cannot find these pieces of string in your database.
Your site was down repeatedly... How was your backend? How was your db? Did some funds magically appear in your wallet? Now, do realise that we won't take your word for it if you tell us that no funds magically appeared or your db was uninpacted... But if you had technical problems, and you did not provide your users with a real letter of guarantee, and there is even a slight possibility this user did indeed start a mix and funded one of your addresses just before your site went down, i guess you'll have to refund him...

Once again: you cannot make up your own defenitions... You're working in a business branche that exists for many years already... "Fresh coins" = "coins that are freshly mined". "Letter of guarantee" = "signed, verifiable letter that allows a thirth party to indepentantly verify if you cheated or not"

[dkbit98]

Whalemixer is lying and doing so many shenanigans that situation is getting out of control, first it was fake fresh coins, now claiming that people are manually deleting codes.
There is no letter of guarantee like it was confirmed by their customer but they claim that they have letter of guarantee, and I say it's all a bunch of bollocks.

By the way, there was no letter of guarantee. Just Whale Code and Whale Pass and referance ID.

[whalemixer1]

From what we can see from our side , we can only check your whalecode it has been manually deleted before the mixing took place
If user manually deleted the logs , we have no access no any information to where the coins were suppose to be sent or which address it came from
This is a very important security features that we do to ensure the logs are destroyed and with no backup to ensure our clients security

Kindly email us with the transaction reference or blockchain reference , if the unmixed balance matches the amount you mentioned , we will refund back to your address that you sent the funds from. We will not collect any fees on this , however the miners fee/ transaction fee will be imposed for the transaction.

Kindly note that this happened because user manually deleted the logs before the mixing could be performed as the receiving address is permanently deleted once this actions has taken place.

I didnt deleted anything.
Just used the service followed the steps. Output 3 adresses.
Then saved my whale code and whale pass and also my referance ID. Sent the coins to the given wallet.
Thats all.
After 12 hours I wanted to check the mix satus and it was said that there is nothing found. But the coins are on the wallet that was given to me.

I cant send "whalemixer1" any PM because it says "User 'whalemixer1' has not chosen to allow messages from newbies. You should post in their relevant thread to remind them to enable this setting."

Please get in touch with me also through PM here as I cant send you PM.

I already sent you a second email thorugh the clearnet website and a third one with transaction reference.
The first email is still not responded.

By the way, there was no letter of guarantee. Just Whale Code and Whale Pass and referance ID.

We have found that the logs were deleted manually, however in good faith and benefits of doubt , we are taking the responsibility and refunded you back with the excess we found in the account that matched the transaction ID you mentioned . We have also refunded more that whats sent to us to cover the transaction fees , miners fees and inconvenience caused . We apologize is this was an error from our side and we will improve our services to serve our clients better.

[whalemixer1]

Whalemixer is lying and doing so many shenanigans that situation is getting out of control, first it was fake fresh coins, now claiming that people are manually deleting codes.
There is no letter of guarantee like it was confirmed by their customer but they claim that they have letter of guarantee, and I say it's all a bunch of bollocks.

By the way, there was no letter of guarantee. Just Whale Code and Whale Pass and referance ID.

The letter of guarantee is on the website

Letter of Guarantee
You can check the guarantee letter at our check status page

how do you know that the user did not manually deleting the logs ?

We send out fresh coins thats been aged and mixed before dispensing

we have resolved all our claims , errors do occur and we are here to solve it.

[whalemixer1]

A person to whom the funds were sent  (And for whom I made this post) said "Everything is OK now"
So my problem is Solved!.
Seems like it was a bug.

How long did he wait?

I still didnt received any coins

Please confirm that this has been resolved.

[mocacinno]

--snip--

The letter of guarantee is on the website

Letter of Guarantee
You can check the guarantee letter at our check status page

how do you know that the user did not manually deleting the logs ?

We send out fresh coins thats been aged and mixed before dispensing

we have resolved all our claims , errors do occur and we are here to solve it.

A letter of guarantee is an actual contract that lists the deposit and the withdraw addresses, the fee structure and the timeframe of validity. This contract needs to be electronically signed by you... Either using a pgp keypair or a bitcoin keypair... The public key (or address) HAS to be known by the community beforehand. This way anybody can verify the contract (even if your site is down, or if you'd dissapear).
This is what a "letter of guarantee" means in the bitcoin mixer context.

I just visited your site, and i can't find a "check status" page... Even if i did, a "check status" is not equal to a letter of guarantee...
Some random pieces of text are NOT a letter of guarantee, a canary is NOT a letter of guarantee...

I'm happy the issue for this particular user got fixed, but you really need to rethink your concept... The current setup does not suffice (as proven by this user's issue)

Once again: you can NOT make up your own defenitions... A letter of guarantee is a letter of guarantee... Freshly mined coins are freshly mined coins... Fast support is fast support.... A low fee is a low fee...
You can not use your own defenition of these terms. If i buy a blue car, i want a blue car. I'm not happy if the car retailer uses his own defenition of blue and gives me a yellow car instead.

[LoyceV]

We have found that the logs were deleted manually

I'm curious: how did you find out logs were deleted? Isn't the whole point of deleting logs that you can't find out anymore?

however in good faith and benefits of doubt , we are taking the responsibility and refunded you back with the excess we found in the account that matched the transaction ID you mentioned .

This makes no sense. Why don't you offer users a real Letter of Guarantee? There's literally no valid reason for not doing so, other than ensuring the user can't prove foul play.

We apologize is this was an error from our side and we will improve our services to serve our clients better.

Great! How about you start by removing all lies from your site and posts, provide proof of funds, and implement a Letter of Guarantee?

The letter of guarantee is on the website

Nope.

We send out fresh coins thats been aged and mixed before dispensing

Not this again! Fresly mined coins are no longer fresh if you mix them. I'm starting to think you deserve a Newbie warning Flag.

you really need to rethink your concept... The current setup does not suffice (as proven by this user's issue)

The current setup seems perfectly fine for a planned exit scam.

[Tamagotchikiller]

Please confirm that this has been resolved.

Please PM me or to my given email the transaction ID where you sent the refund to.
I still didnt received anything so I cant confirm.

I also cannot understand why I dont get any respond through email or that you are interested in getting in touch through PM with me as you know that you disabled the PM function that newbies can PM you?

And as I said I didnt deleted anything manually, not deleted any logs, nothing. This must be a bug on your side.

[dkbit98]

The letter of guarantee is on the website

Your customer said that he never saw any letter of guarantee so it was his confession not mine, so I can't verify that on status page.
You also don't reply to any of his emails, like he said before.

how do you know that the user did not manually deleting the logs ?

He said that he didn't deleted anything manually, so it's his word against yours, and he is complaining.
I also don't even know how and why should manual deleting of logs be possible.

We send out fresh coins thats been aged and mixed before dispensing

There are NO fresh coins at your service, and that was proven several times.

I'm curious: how did you find out logs were deleted? Isn't the whole point of deleting logs that you can't find out anymore?

He is using gipsy fortune teller that was probably looking at the palm of his hand 

[mocacinno]

Ok... So, in order to summarise the issues (once again), i dug into your site and made following screenshot of the services your provide.
I take these services as a contract: mixing is based on trust. If I read a list like this on a mixer, i think there should be no wiggle room for discussion, the list is iron-clad. Even a single lie in a list like this should have grave consequences!
You are a mixer, you should do, without any discussion, everything you promise on your main page... No smallprint, no hidden twisted phrases in your TOS that allow you to divert from your promises... A mixer should be upfront and completely honest about everything they claim.
Also, and i keep repeating myself: no selfmade defenitions... Mixing isn't a new business, if you say things like "freshly mined" and "letter of guarantee", it should mean exactly the same on your site as it means on any other mixer out there.

I've included a color code:

• Red: proven to be (partially) untrue
• Yellow: unproven or unprovable
• Green: (mostly) true

Red: proven to be (partially) untrue

• Low service fee: Our service fee is random between 1.00% and 2.99% => I have seen 1 legit user posting details of 1 mix and the service fee he payed was 19,3% (proof). You do not indicate any other fees on your main page, nor in your TOS
• Farm mixed fresh: Coins are freshly mixed from our mining farm => I have proven there are no meaningfull coinbase rewards within a reasonable distance.
   (proof). You keep throwing statements around telling us you want to protect your miners, and i keep telling you that it simply does not work like this: a coinbase reward is always visible. If you mixed fresh coins, they were exchanged with tainted coins and you're giving away tainted funds, not fresh.
• Fast support: We reply to all our clients within 1-24 hours and we support PGP encryption => but there are (trusted) users claiming they never received a reply
• Letter of guarantee: You can check the guarantee letter on our check status page => i could not find a link to your check status page, and even if there was such a link, you cannot publish a static page and use it as a letter of guarantee (extra info)

Yellow: unproven or unprovable

• Logless transactions: Logs are destroyed automatically after transactions complete => unprovable, but no mixer can proof this, so it shouldn't be used against you or your service
• Two pools system: We have a receiving pool and a sending pool => i only had the option to study one mixing session, it did not allow me to verify this claim
• Talkless database: Receiving and sending database are seperated => unprovable, but no mixer can proof this, so it shouldn't be used against you or your service
• Fully automated: Our site is fully automated to ensure highest level of privacy => eventough automation has little to do with privacy, and i have a gut feeling this claim might not be 100% true, i cannot verify
• High volume mixing: Our reserve holds high volume of fresh coins for mixing => i personally do not believe you hold the volume you say you're holding. I'm not even talking about the amount you claim to actually hold, whilst advertising an amount that's 100x higher (proof). But there is no 100% conclusive way to proof anything. You say you hold 50 BTC, the one publicly available mixing session does not show this, you refuse to sign a message... It's possible you hold 50 BTC, but i seriously doubt it (but cannot provide proof)
• The highest level of protection: We take privacy protection seriously as it is our core business => after analysing Tryninja's mixing session, i seriously believe i'm seeing funds payed out to your other clients (and all output addresses from a single session are payed out in one single transaction aswell), the phrasing "highest level of protection" is also a pretty big claim... I seriously doubt it, but i cannot provide any evidence

Green: (mostly) true

• Variable receive time: Random delay between 5 minutes - 6 hours to ensure privacy => Eventough i've seen clients of you claim to have waited far longer (so your statement is partially true), the time seems to be random... If it's in order to increase the privacy, or because you're manually creating transactions, or because you're waiting for dips in the mempool so you can pay lower transaction fees and keep more money to yourself... i simply cannot tell
• Multi Crypto Support: We currently support 6 different coins => eventough i've only seen people testing out BTC mixing, you do seem to accept other coins aswell
• SSL protected: Our sites are protected from data leaks => this is true, no MITM... You're using an X3 certificate, which is good
• No registration required: We do not collect personal data and no registration required => seems to be true, unless your customer wants an api key
• Onion Site friendly: Our service is also available on TOR network for better privacy => true

Next to this, there are other issues:

• At least one user claims not to have received his mixed coins. You say you refunded him (no proof), he says he didn't receive anything (no proof either)
• There is no address check, you can enter whatever (incorrect) address you want, and your system will blindly accept it
• Not all security headers are fixed: Strict-Transport-Security Content-Security-Policy X-Frame-Options X-Content-Type-Options Referrer-Policy Permissions-Policy
• Nginx 1.10.1 was released in 2016... Time for a new version?
• Your website seems to be down quite often, which might mean there are underlying issues with the hardware or the setup.
• I'm not a native speaker, and i'm a dyslectic... Still, i spot loads of spelling mistakes. This might indicate a very cheap translation, or a slightly modified google translation. Which might result in subtility's getting lost in translation.
• A daily reboot? Why? I have production systems that run 24/7 between 2 patchcycles. It's not uncommon for a linux server to remain online for several months.
• I have read the discussion you had with VOD, and i found it childish you kept calling him a girl. Where i'm from, it's no shame being a girl, but the way you kept repeating this word tells me you meant it as an insult. That's not how a business is supposed to operate... Really...

[LoyceV]

I've included a color code:

• Red: proven to be (partially) untrue
• Yellow: unproven or unprovable

Great overview!
If OP wouldn't have lied in statements that can be verified, he would at least deserve the benefit of the doubt for statements that can't be verified. By lying on statements that can be confirmed, OP lost all credibility and it's safe to assume the unprovable statements are lies too.

[whalemixer1]

Please confirm that this has been resolved.

Please PM me or to my given email the transaction ID where you sent the refund to.
I still didnt received anything so I cant confirm.

I also cannot understand why I dont get any respond through email or that you are interested in getting in touch through PM with me as you know that you disabled the PM function that newbies can PM you?

And as I said I didnt deleted anything manually, not deleted any logs, nothing. This must be a bug on your side.

Tried to PM you , its disabled , kindly PM me , i have enable my PM

The reason emails were not asnwered could be due to non-PGP messages , I am not sure , that could be the reason , I am just in the marketing team.
Unmixed amount will be sent back to the address that you sent the funds from.
If a mix fails , the system will not process the mix and if any contact made , the mix will also be reversed to ensure highest level of security as we dont want any link between sender and the person tried communicating with us via email or PM especially with non-PGP format

Kindly check and update me or PM me

[whalemixer1]

--snip--

The letter of guarantee is on the website

Letter of Guarantee
You can check the guarantee letter at our check status page

how do you know that the user did not manually deleting the logs ?

We send out fresh coins thats been aged and mixed before dispensing

we have resolved all our claims , errors do occur and we are here to solve it.

A letter of guarantee is an actual contract that lists the deposit and the withdraw addresses, the fee structure and the timeframe of validity. This contract needs to be electronically signed by you... Either using a pgp keypair or a bitcoin keypair... The public key (or address) HAS to be known by the community beforehand. This way anybody can verify the contract (even if your site is down, or if you'd dissapear).
This is what a "letter of guarantee" means in the bitcoin mixer context.

I just visited your site, and i can't find a "check status" page... Even if i did, a "check status" is not equal to a letter of guarantee...
Some random pieces of text are NOT a letter of guarantee, a canary is NOT a letter of guarantee...

I'm happy the issue for this particular user got fixed, but you really need to rethink your concept... The current setup does not suffice (as proven by this user's issue)

Once again: you can NOT make up your own defenitions... A letter of guarantee is a letter of guarantee... Freshly mined coins are freshly mined coins... Fast support is fast support.... A low fee is a low fee...
You can not use your own defenition of these terms. If i buy a blue car, i want a blue car. I'm not happy if the car retailer uses his own defenition of blue and gives me a yellow car instead.

If a downloadable letter of guarantee, its a prove that the mixing took place and it puts the client at risk, so the letter of guarantee is on the website , it can be deleted manually, or deleted once mixing takes place

our fees has always been 0.99-2.99% but transaction fee is high then we cant do anything abt it especially for a small mix , for a mix of USD30 and transaction fee of 4 USD that comes to an situation where user feels we over charged. Thats not the case. we mentioned transaction fee is charged.

back to fresh coins, all our coins are from mining, its then mixed with aged fresh mined coins as well then dispensed to avoid clients receiving very suspicious brand new coins always.

we know logs are deleted but other details are dropped. so we cant do the mix if logs are manually deleted as we don't know where to send it to

[dkbit98]

If a downloadable letter of guarantee, its a prove that the mixing took place and it puts the client at risk, so the letter of guarantee is on the website , it can be deleted manually, or deleted once mixing takes place

Please show us the link so we can download that mythical letter of guarantee that nobody ever saw.

back to fresh coins, all our coins are from mining, its then mixed with aged fresh mined coins as well then dispensed to avoid clients receiving very suspicious brand new coins always.

Debunked, fake and proved as false several times, yet you still continue to spread this false propaganda.
Whalemixer doesn't have any fresh coins. Period.

[mocacinno]

--snip--
If a downloadable letter of guarantee, its a prove that the mixing took place and it puts the client at risk, so the letter of guarantee is on the website , it can be deleted manually, or deleted once mixing takes place

I tried starting a mixing session (ofcourse i did not fund the address shown on your page), i could not find any meaningful letter of guarantee... I see a bunch of codes, but no document digitally signed by you. It's possible i overlooked, but that means your design is made in such a way that this very important information is very easily overlooked... This is NOT ok.

--snip--
we mentioned transaction fee is charged.
--snip--

Where on your website do you mention this? I scanned your main page, i read your TOS, i did not find any readable, understandable sentence that clearly points out you'll also substract the transaction fee from the amount received by your client. This is not industry standard (other mixers include the transaction fee in the service fee, at least the ones i used to use in the past), and if it's not very clearly indicated on several hard to miss spots it counts as misdirection.

back to fresh coins, all our coins are from mining, its then mixed with aged fresh mined coins as well then dispensed to avoid clients receiving very suspicious brand new coins always.

(no, no, no, no, no, no, no).10¹⁰⁰⁰⁰
This is the real life equivalent of you selling me new shoes, but you didn't want to expose your shoemaker, so you got the new shoes, exchanged them with a homeless guy and gave me the homeless guy's shoes while billing me new shoes.... NO! If you sell freshly mined coins, you sell freshly mined coins... Once you mix them, you've switched newly mined coins by dirty, tainted coins... You're passing on these tained coins as fresh. This is fraud. No matter how often you repeat your dogma, it is incorrect... Loads of longtime members have told you it's incorrect, it's easy to see it's incorrect, please try to wrap your head around the fact that you made a procedural mistake and reimburse everybody you sold tainted coins to!

Here's a diagram that tries to explain things in a new way... Please study!
It's the case of 2 company's that sell cellphones of brand "Newphone". They both sell brand new Newphone's to their clients.

• Company 1 (let's call them "other mixer") goes to the factory, gets a new Newphone, takes money from their client and gives them a new Newphone => Client = happy
• Company 2 (let's call them "whalemixer") goes to the factory, gets a new Newphone, goes to a begger he finds on the street, exchanges the new Newphone for the beggers old "Brokenphone". He then takes the money for a new Newphone from his client, but instead of giving him the new Newphone, he gives him the old broken "Brokenphone" whilst charging for a newphone. When the client is unhappy, company 2 tells them they had a new Newphone, but they didn't want to disclose witch factory the Newphone was produced in, so they swapped the Newphone for an Brokenphone. They say the client should be happy with his Brokenphone because it was exchanged for a Newphone so it has an equal value. Result => Client unhappy (begger happy)

we know logs are deleted but other details are dropped. so we cant do the mix if logs are manually deleted as we don't know where to send it to

Can you elaborate? You don't log, but logs are deleted, but details are dropped, so you can't mix, but people manually delete what has already been deleted, so you didn't save the output address? In that case: look at the letter of guarantee you provide but nobody seems to be able to find, all details should be clearly written down in this letter, and signed by you

[Tamagotchikiller]

Tried to PM you , its disabled , kindly PM me , i have enable my PM

The reason emails were not asnwered could be due to non-PGP messages , I am not sure , that could be the reason , I am just in the marketing team.
Unmixed amount will be sent back to the address that you sent the funds from.
If a mix fails , the system will not process the mix and if any contact made , the mix will also be reversed to ensure highest level of security as we dont want any link between sender and the person tried communicating with us via email or PM especially with non-PGP format

Kindly check and update me or PM me

I sent you a PM.

I can prove my sender adress with receiver adress (mixer adress) with screenshot directly from my electrum wallet. I can also make a videoproof if you wish.
I also can proof that I didnt received anything.

I dont understand how a mix can fail, if there is no step you can do wrong.
For me its a mystery.
I used alot of mixers, never saw issues like that ever before.

[mocacinno]

--snip--

I sent you a PM.

I can prove my sender adress with receiver adress (mixer adress) with screenshot directly from my electrum wallet. I can also make a videoproof if you wish.
I also can proof that I didnt received anything.

I dont understand how a mix can fail, if there is no step you can do wrong.
For me its a mystery.
I used alot of mixers, never saw issues like that ever before.

As soon as you decide your coins are worth more than the value of this mixing session, it might be a good idear to start sharing transaction id's... Maybe sign a message with an address whose unspent outputs were used to fund whalemixer's deposit addy? He already admitted coins suddenly showed up in his wallet, so maybe it's time to show some proof?

[Tamagotchikiller]

so maybe it's time to show some proof?

I sent LoyceV a PM

[LoyceV]

Maybe sign a message with an address whose unspent outputs were used to fund whalemixer's deposit addy?

This doesn't prove anything. The problem is, there's no way to know which address is owned by WhaleMixer. WhaleMixer setup their site in such a way it's impossible to prove anything, and since they're a "classic" mixer (without chips and private keys), there is no valid reason not to provide a signed Letter of Guarantee. Unless they plan to cheat their users, of course.

He already admitted coins suddenly showed up in his wallet, so maybe it's time to show some proof?

He also claimed to have returned them.

so maybe it's time to show some proof?

I sent LoyceV a PM

All I know for sure is that the address received Bitcoins 4 days ago, and they haven't moved since. There's no way to prove anything.

I think it's time you create a Scam Accusation for a Flag. Unfortunately, there's no hard evidence for a type 3 Flag, but the fact that the mixer is setup to deny the user any evidence, should be enough to justify a Newbie warning Flag (type 1).

[Tamagotchikiller]

Thank you, I will do a Scam Accusation.

I just want to say one more thing.

I had to tell him the exact amount I sent to the mixer adress otherwise he said he wont refund. I wrote him an email with transaction ID and told him the exact amount.
The next day he said he refunded (what he didn't).
With that the amount that was sent to the mixer adress is exactly proofed and clear, means, he confirmed this amount I sent to the mixer adress that I sent you in the proof in the PM.
I also can proof that the adress belongs to me.
The sender adress is also clear and there it can also be checked if any refund was received by the sender adress.
There you can see that nothing was received. No refunds.

Edit, report made: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349321.0

[whalemixer1]

Thank you, I will do a Scam Accusation.

I just want to say one more thing.

I had to tell him the exact amount I sent to the mixer adress otherwise he said he wont refund. I wrote him an email with transaction ID and told him the exact amount.
The next day he said he refunded (what he didn't).
With that the amount that was sent to the mixer adress is exactly proofed and clear, means, he confirmed this amount I sent to the mixer adress that I sent you in the proof in the PM.
I also can proof that the adress belongs to me.
The sender adress is also clear and there it can also be checked if any refund was received by the sender adress.
There you can see that nothing was received. No refunds.

Edit, report made: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5349321.0

Hangon There could be a error on our side ,

2 people files a claim and what we believe is we might have wrongly refunded to the wrong person.

I think we refunded to cryptoenthusiast777444 instead of Tamagotchikiller

cryptoenthusiast777444 would you be able to kindly refund us the amount

and Tamagotchikiller would you reply our PM

[dkbit98]

I think it's time you create a Scam Accusation for a Flag. Unfortunately, there's no hard evidence for a type 3 Flag, but the fact that the mixer is setup to deny the user any evidence, should be enough to justify a Newbie warning Flag (type 1).

I am fully supporting this scam accusation and I already left them negative feedback on their profile, warning about high risk of using their service for mixing coins.

I think we refunded to cryptoenthusiast777444 instead of Tamagotchikiller

This is so embarrassing and amateurish that I have no comments and their actions are speaking for themselves

[LoyceV]

2 people files a claim and what we believe is we might have wrongly refunded to the wrong person.

I think we refunded to cryptoenthusiast777444 instead of Tamagotchikiller

"Might" and "think"? Did you or did you not? Blockchain evidence means a solid yes or no, not a "maybe". Have you refunded one person or two?
Cryptoenthusiast777444 wrote this:

A person to whom the funds were sent  (And for whom I made this post) said "Everything is OK now"
So my problem is Solved!.

It doesn't look like he has to refund you.

I think we refunded to cryptoenthusiast777444 instead of Tamagotchikiller

This is so embarrassing and amateurish that I have no comments and their actions are speaking for themselves

Looks like they forgot about this plan:

Unmixed amount will be sent back to the address that you sent the funds from.
If a mix fails , the system will not process the mix and if any contact made , the mix will also be reversed to ensure highest level of security

[dkbit98]

Looks like they forgot about this plan:

Unmixed amount will be sent back to the address that you sent the funds from.
If a mix fails , the system will not process the mix and if any contact made , the mix will also be reversed to ensure highest level of security

Yeah, it looks like that this ''system'' is actually some dude on computer that is sending coins manually to customers.
I would like to be proven wrong, but whalemixers will probably say it's not true, and they can't prove it like anything else, because it's top secret new generation quantum tech.  

[LoyceV]

Yeah, it looks like that this ''system'' is actually some dude on computer that is sending coins manually to customers.

That would explain the random mixing time.

[mocacinno]

Yeah, it looks like that this ''system'' is actually some dude on computer that is sending coins manually to customers.

That would explain the random mixing time.

I had a similar suspicion in the past, but i might have worded it a bit to subtile

--snip--
Eventough i've seen clients of you claim to have waited far longer (so your statement is partially true), the time seems to be random... If it's in order to increase the privacy, or because you're manually creating transactions, or because you're waiting for dips in the mempool so you can pay lower transaction fees and keep more money to yourself... i simply cannot tell
--snip--

[whalemixer1]

Tried to PM you , its disabled , kindly PM me , i have enable my PM

The reason emails were not asnwered could be due to non-PGP messages , I am not sure , that could be the reason , I am just in the marketing team.
Unmixed amount will be sent back to the address that you sent the funds from.
If a mix fails , the system will not process the mix and if any contact made , the mix will also be reversed to ensure highest level of security as we dont want any link between sender and the person tried communicating with us via email or PM especially with non-PGP format

Kindly check and update me or PM me

I sent you a PM.

I can prove my sender adress with receiver adress (mixer adress) with screenshot directly from my electrum wallet. I can also make a videoproof if you wish.
I also can proof that I didnt received anything.

I dont understand how a mix can fail, if there is no step you can do wrong.
For me its a mystery.
I used alot of mixers, never saw issues like that ever before.

We have refunded you back, This error was truly ours and we have rectified it, we sincerely apologise for the mistake.
we take this mistake as our learning as we have actually refunded the wrong person.

cryptoenthusiast777444 we have wrongly refunded you , would you be kind enough to refund us back the said fund to the address you received it from . your kind assistance would be much appreciated

and Tamagotchikiller would you confirm you have received your refund this time

[Tamagotchikiller]

I can confirm that I received the full refund just around 10 minutes ago. Thank you.

But one or two things I have to say.
The Letter of Guarantee on other mixers I was always able to download before the mixing and also on another mixer right after the mixing (and also before).
I never saw before that one could delete logs manually. I think it is enough to just clear that logs will be deleted automated if the mixing progress was successfull.

One more very important "Bug":
If you type in the wallet adress on the mixing page with percentage and click on start mixing an new window/tab will open where you will see where to send the coins to (and where it will be send after the mixing and so on) and also WhalePass and WhaleCode.
So far so good.
But if you click on refresh on that page, the adress where to send the coins to and also whale pass and whale code will change.
This shouldn't happen ever! Because if you don't realize that you will send the coins to an adress which doesn't stand in combination with the filled form right before clicking on "start mixing", the coins will get lost if you refresh and send, because the automated system won't know what to to with the received coins.
Correct me if I'm wrong with that.
Or if the page lags, has temporary server problems (on your side) or the internet connection (on one or the other side) is lost and you have no choice except to refresh the page to show up again then the data (mixer receiver adress, WhalePass, WhaleCode) will also change.
I see this as a big problem.

And also an option to download the letter of guarantee right after clicking on "Start Mixing" would save you alot of trouble.

[LoyceV]

Random receiving time is what makes us different as there is no evidence of sending funds and receiving funds making this mixing very powerful

A random mixing time is fine, but you should let the customer know how long it's going to take. With an automated system, that shouldn't be a problem.

That would really help as we have to pay our workers and the error has caused a negative cash flow , we are legitimate mixer and we dont scam to get profits, we only make 1-3% and this error has set us back deeply.

For a site that claims to have $42 million in fresh coins, this shouldn't be a problem, right?

[dkbit98]

A random mixing time is fine, but you should let the customer know how long it's going to take. With an automated system, that shouldn't be a problem.

It must be state of the art system so advanced that even operator don't know this time, because it uses advanced AI hybrid algorithm

That would really help as we have to pay our workers and the error has caused a negative cash flow , we are legitimate mixer and we dont scam to get profits, we only make 1-3% and this error has set us back deeply.

You are a joke mixer, and if you have millions of fake-fresh coins you have nothing deep to worry about, so please tell us who made a mistake, computer system or some guy behind a screen?

[whalemixer1]

I can confirm that I received the full refund just around 10 minutes ago. Thank you.

But one or two things I have to say.
The Letter of Guarantee on other mixers I was always able to download before the mixing and also on another mixer right after the mixing (and also before).
I never saw before that one could delete logs manually. I think it is enough to just clear that logs will be deleted automated if the mixing progress was successfull.

One more very important "Bug":
If you type in the wallet adress on the mixing page with percentage and click on start mixing an new window/tab will open where you will see where to send the coins to (and where it will be send after the mixing and so on) and also WhalePass and WhaleCode.
So far so good.
But if you click on refresh on that page, the adress where to send the coins to and also whale pass and whale code will change.
This shouldn't happen ever! Because if you don't realize that you will send the coins to an adress which doesn't stand in combination with the filled form right before clicking on "start mixing", the coins will get lost if you refresh and send, because the automated system won't know what to to with the received coins.
Correct me if I'm wrong with that.
Or if the page lags, has temporary server problems (on your side) or the internet connection (on one or the other side) is lost and you have no choice except to refresh the page to show up again then the data (mixer receiver adress, WhalePass, WhaleCode) will also change.
I see this as a big problem.

And also an option to download the letter of guarantee right after clicking on "Start Mixing" would save you alot of trouble.

We are sorry for the delay in refund, but glad all went well.

for your question, even if you refresh the page , you will get a new address with new whale code and receiving address,
but all the address will work for 24 hours then after it will auto delete , so no issue on that. The system will treat it as a new transaction and will process which ever address that receive the funds accordingly.

The reason we don't issue guarantee letter to download is because we do not want any trace because that piece of evidence can be used against you even if you delete it. its recoverable if you do a hardisk deep scan . another reason is , i am a user of mixer as well in the past, i really avoid downloading anything to my computer, what if its a virus set up by the FBI ? i am so paranoid if i have to download a guarantee letter , i dont mind viewing it online but not downloading it .

We had this in mind when executing whalemixer.

[whalemixer1]

Random receiving time is what makes us different as there is no evidence of sending funds and receiving funds making this mixing very powerful

A random mixing time is fine, but you should let the customer know how long it's going to take. With an automated system, that shouldn't be a problem.

That would really help as we have to pay our workers and the error has caused a negative cash flow , we are legitimate mixer and we dont scam to get profits, we only make 1-3% and this error has set us back deeply.

For a site that claims to have $42 million in fresh coins, this shouldn't be a problem, right?

we have that in reserve by our clients that we are able to use in mixing , not for us to use and or have a lost on

The available coin for mixing means that we are able to use this much from our clients account to do the mixing, that doesnt mean we own it

[whalemixer1]

A random mixing time is fine, but you should let the customer know how long it's going to take. With an automated system, that shouldn't be a problem.

It must be state of the art system so advanced that even operator don't know this time, because it uses advanced AI hybrid algorithm

That would really help as we have to pay our workers and the error has caused a negative cash flow , we are legitimate mixer and we dont scam to get profits, we only make 1-3% and this error has set us back deeply.

You are a joke mixer, and if you have millions of fake-fresh coins you have nothing deep to worry about, so please tell us who made a mistake, computer system or some guy behind a screen?

If you do a mixing and set as 1 hour from now for example, database has to store this info,  then if the database is breached , FEDS can link the funds sent and received with this one hour delay,
i find that very not secured.

We do manual time mixing , its not automated, no link between received funds or received funds and the receive value also is random . in court, you can actually escape because no evidence of mixing, no timing, no exact value, no trace between old and new funds. and no dangerous downloadable gurantee letter which can contain codes, or recoverable in your harddisk even if deleted using deep scan. we are trying our best to make a change in mixing.

we dont do advanced AI hybrid algorithm , we just do it manual at times we like making it safer with no traceable timing logs

[whalemixer1]

We have solved all our claims

There was only one client had an issue and it has been solve

appreciate if all could remove the negative trust.

We have never scammed any clients and our mixing is considered very safe.

We are operating for almost a year and we have seen really huge amount , we are happy with the 1-3% commission rather than a one time quick exit
we dont hold coins like a exchange service to go on a billion dollar exit scam, the max we hold funds is between 5mins-12 hours and thats no where close to a billion USD at any one time for us to shut down, we prefer doing many transactions as 1-3% adds up to a very good margin and we dont pay tax to China

[whalemixer1]

we are planning to increasing our mixing fee from 1-3% to 2-4% due to overwhelming demand

this will reduce our clients as we are able to serve our smaller number of clients better without raising much flags

kindly stop recommending new clients. we are happy serving our old clients ,

we appreciate clients that genuinely interested in protecting their privacy and not illegal activities , we dont wanna raise flags or get in trouble with high profile criminals

ransomware operators are encouraged to use our services for legal privacy enhancement reasons , you are very welcomed to use our services
 

[mocacinno]

--snip--
The reason we don't issue guarantee letter to download is because we do not want any trace because that piece of evidence can be used against you even if you delete it. its recoverable if you do a hardisk deep scan . another reason is , i am a user of mixer as well in the past, i really avoid downloading anything to my computer, what if its a virus set up by the FBI ? i am so paranoid if i have to download a guarantee letter , i dont mind viewing it online but not downloading it .
--snip--

But by not issuing a letter of guarantee, you do not give your clients the OPTION of protecting themselves against you. You take away their opportunity to make valid claims in case you mess up again. If you would provide a letter of guarantee, it's up to your clients wether or not they want to download it to protect themselfs from you, or if they don't want to download it because they don't trust you enough to download anything from your site (or because they don't want any evidence, eventough any 3 letter agency that got their hands on the letter of guarantee would also have their hands on both the sending and receiving wallet, so your clients would be caught with or without a letter of guarantee)...

By the way: if you link to a letter of guarantee instead of automatically downloading it, people could look at it online and just copy it directly, it would be just as safe as browsing any other part of your website....

--snip--
we have that in reserve by our clients that we are able to use in mixing , not for us to use and or have a lost on

The available coin for mixing means that we are able to use this much from our clients account to do the mixing, that doesnt mean we own it

But yet, if you look at your site's main page, and your first post on bitcointalk, it looks like you've actually got these funds... I think this is misdirecting your clients.
By the way, by working this way, you don't have any guarantee... What if a clients sends 250 BTC your way, but your "partner" lied to you and doesn't provide you with the necessary liquidity... What will you do in this case?

--snip--

If you do a mixing and set as 1 hour from now for example, database has to store this info,  then if the database is breached , FEDS can link the funds sent and received with this one hour delay,
i find that very not secured.

We do manual time mixing , its not automated, no link between received funds or received funds and the receive value also is random . in court, you can actually escape because no evidence of mixing, no timing, no exact value, no trace between old and new funds. and no dangerous downloadable gurantee letter which can contain codes, or recoverable in your harddisk even if deleted using deep scan. we are trying our best to make a change in mixing.

we dont do advanced AI hybrid algorithm , we just do it manual at times we like making it safer with no traceable timing logs

But... But... But....
Your main page said, and i quote:

Fully Automated
Our sites is fully automated to ensure highest level of privacy

source: https:// whalemixer . com /

--snip--
we appreciate clients that genuinely interested in protecting their privacy and not illegal activities , we dont wanna raise flags or get in trouble with high profile criminals

ransomware operators are encouraged to use our services for legal privacy enhancement reasons , you are very welcomed to use our services

So, ransomware operators are NOT criminals? Strange, in my country they are...

[LoyceV]

The reason we don't issue guarantee letter to download is because we do not want any trace because that piece of evidence can be used against you even if you delete it. its recoverable if you do a hardisk deep scan . another reason is , i am a user of mixer as well in the past, i really avoid downloading anything to my computer, what if its a virus set up by the FBI ? i am so paranoid if i have to download a guarantee letter , i dont mind viewing it online but not downloading it .

You're grasping at straws. Anyone can shred their files. The FBI isn't going to put a virus in a text-file. Besides, any web page you view is downloaded to your own computer by default anyway.

We do manual time mixing , its not automated
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we just do it manual at times we like making it safer

But... But... But....
Your main page said, and i quote:

Fully Automated
Our sites is fully automated to ensure highest level of privacy

Another lie. You can turn one more yellow box red.

ransomware operators are encouraged to use our services for legal privacy enhancement reasons , you are very welcomed to use our services

Quoted for reference. I believe privacy is a human right, but offering services to aid criminals is against the law in most countries.
It's the difference between selling guns for home defense, and encouraging bank robbers to use your guns.

kindly stop recommending new clients.

You're funny

[NotATether]

ransomware operators are encouraged to use our services for legal privacy enhancement reasons , you are very welcomed to use our services

Pardon me but you making written encouragement of this activity will make you a huge target of law enforcement's crosshairs later. There were mixers in the past who were shut down by the feds and their owners arrested (BTC-e, Helix, Bitcoin Fog, etc etc.) you clearly do not want to place your mixing service in that kind of position.

[dkbit98]

we are planning to increasing our mixing fee from 1-3% to 2-4% due to overwhelming demand

Isn't that decision maybe because your screwed with your manual sending of funds to clients, so you lost money with previous two clients due to your own mistakes.

kindly stop recommending new clients. we are happy serving our old clients

I never recommended this semi-scam service to anyone, and I never will, oh the contrary.

ransomware operators are encouraged to use our services for legal privacy enhancement reasons , you are very welcomed to use our services

You better shut your mouth because you speak so many stupid things since you started this topic, like putting ransomware operators and legal operation in same sentence.  

[daobao11]

we are planning to increasing our mixing fee from 1-3% to 2-4% due to overwhelming demand

this will reduce our clients as we are able to serve our smaller number of clients better without raising much flags

kindly stop recommending new clients. we are happy serving our old clients ,

we appreciate clients that genuinely interested in protecting their privacy and not illegal activities , we dont wanna raise flags or get in trouble with high profile criminals

ransomware operators are encouraged to use our services for legal privacy enhancement reasons , you are very welcomed to use our services
 

After sending the funds, 18 hours have passed, but the coins have not been credited to my account
How many time i need wait?

[mocacinno]

After sending the funds, 18 hours have passed, but the coins have not been credited to my account
How many time i need wait?

source of the quotes: w h a le m ixe r [dot][com]
The mixer's admin says (on his main page), and i quote:

Random delay between 5 minutes - 6 hours to enhance privacy

He also says (on his main page), and i quote:

Our sites is fully automated to ensure highest level of privacy

And i you would want to contact him, he says (on his main page), and i quote:

We reply all our clients within 1-24 hours and we suport PGP encryption

So, in the ideal situation, you shouldn't have had to wait longer than 6 hours, since he promised the site is fully automated. If you have a problem, he promised that he'd reply in less than 24 hours aswell...


HOWEVER......

• He has admitted he's not automated at all, he's just randomly sending funds... Some people have had to wait much longer than 6 hours
• Some people have mentioned waiting way more than 24 hours for support to answer them
• He also doesn't give out letters of guarantee for some fluke of a reason. So you have no way of proving he did not mix your coins
• He also charges a waaaaay higher fee than promised... He substracts the mining fee from the amount he's sending, eventough other mixer's don't do this, and he doesn't tell you he'll be doing this anywhere
• If you were mixing a bigger amount: the admin has admitted those numbers of coins "in stock" he has on his site are fake (well, he started twising words and splitting hairs, saying that he has PARTNERS that have this amount of coins, and he'll be able to get this amount from his PARTNERS)
• Eventough the admin keeps saying you'll get fresh coins: don't believe him... I analysed a mixing session shared by a known and trusted forum member, and there were no coinbase rewards within a meaningfull distance.

The *only* thing you can do is make a scam accusation and hope the admin tries to resolve your case. I would not recommand using this mixer ever again tough... I suspect this is either a manual one-man operation that doesn't really understand the concept of what he's doing, making promises and not keeping them, throwing in big buzzwords without understanding what he's saying OR it's an exit scam waiting to happen

[dkbit98]

After sending the funds, 18 hours have passed, but the coins have not been credited to my account
How many time i need wait?

Six hours is maximum time states on their website but you now passed all possible waiting limits.
You see many warnings we previously posted about whalemixer so why are you still trying to use their mixing service?
They are a proven liars (most likely scammers) and they are doing everything manually probably operated with one or two guys from some basement.
OP was last time active in bitcointalk forum on 18 July!

[SinisterB]

After sending the funds, 18 hours have passed, but the coins have not been credited to my account
How many time i need wait?

Six hours is maximum time states on their website but you now passed all possible waiting limits.
You see many warnings we previously posted about whalemixer so why are you still trying to use their mixing service?
They are a proven liars (most likely scammers) and they are doing everything manually probably operated with one or two guys from some basement.
OP was last time active in bitcointalk forum on 18 July!

So I am not the only one who did not received the coins? Also sent him a message but nobody answered!
When I try to login to see the status it says: Records not found.

Wanted to exchange lot more.. but had to see first how it works. Will post an update if I receive the coins or any answers.

[acroman08]

Wanted to exchange lot more.. but had to see first how it works. Will post an update if I receive the coins or any answers.

there are far more credible mixers that are actively advertising here in the forum, why not mix the remaining amount that you want to be mixed on them. with the recent issues that have arisen, it would be for the best to just avoid the mixer in question.

[SinisterB]

Wanted to exchange lot more.. but had to see first how it works. Will post an update if I receive the coins or any answers.

there are far more credible mixers that are actively advertising here in the forum, why not mix the remaining amount that you want to be mixed on them. with the recent issues that have arisen, it would be for the best to just avoid the mixer in question.

I had no idea about the issues, I thought is it safe to use them since I found the website on this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.0

After not receiving the coins.. I started reading about the mixer

[daobao11]

After sending the funds, 18 hours have passed, but the coins have not been credited to my account
How many time i need wait?

Six hours is maximum time states on their website but you now passed all possible waiting limits.
You see many warnings we previously posted about whalemixer so why are you still trying to use their mixing service?
They are a proven liars (most likely scammers) and they are doing everything manually probably operated with one or two guys from some basement.
OP was last time active in bitcointalk forum on 18 July!

So I am not the only one who did not received the coins? Also sent him a message but nobody answered!
When I try to login to see the status it says: Records not found.

Wanted to exchange lot more.. but had to see first how it works. Will post an update if I receive the coins or any answers.

I think it is scam. read the topic after sending coins this is my mistake.
no one answers, no coins came, although more than two days have passed

[dkbit98]

I had no idea about the issues, I thought is it safe to use them since I found the website on this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2827109.0

After not receiving the coins.. I started reading about the mixer

I think it is scam. read the topic after sending coins this is my mistake.
no one answers, no coins came, although more than two days have passed

Both of you should create new topics in Scam Accusation section and write in more details what happened and how you got scammed by whalemixer service and for how much.
He was last Active on 18 July 2021 and it's unlikely he will come back any time soon, but if they comes back again they should refund you for your loses.

[whalemixer1]

We been away due to covid infection,

We apologize as our whole establishment was severely effected

Actually there was no issue from our side balance, we have balanced our accounting sheets
please PM and explain the nature of your concern

[mocacinno]

We been away due to covid infection,

We apologize as our whole establishment was severely effected

Actually there was no issue from our side balance, we have balanced our accounting sheets
please PM and explain the nature of your concern

Sorry to hear you were ill. I do hope you feel better.
This being said: your site showed a daily updated "canary" telling your users everything was ok, while it was most certainly not... I assume this canary is fake then? I mean, if it automatically updates, it has no value whatsoever: you could have been in jail whilst your canary kept telling your users everything was fine.

I hope you can work things out with the people that have filed a scam accusation, i'm willing to delete my negative trust as soon as everything is worked out, and the alleged victims confirm their accusation got solved.

[LoyceV]

We been away due to covid infection,

We apologize as our whole establishment was severely effected

How convenient to be away for 6 full weeks, starting the moment another scam accusation was made against you.

This being said: your site showed a daily updated "canary" telling your users everything was ok, while it was most certainly not... I assume this canary is fake then? I mean, if it automatically updates, it has no value whatsoever: you could have been in jail whilst your canary kept telling your users everything was fine.

Nice catch! Just add it to the list of lies.

[dkbit98]

We been away due to covid infection

Liars are back in bitcointalk forum and I wonder if this this is one trick pony show that is running this scam mixer, and if this pony has high temperature than all website is not working.
Another proof that everyone was done manually before, and I wouldn't trust anything written from this guy.

We apologize as our whole establishment was severely effected

Please explain more what this establishment is exactly? A circus show maybe?

Actually there was no issue from our side balance, we have balanced our accounting sheets

Lies.
Several people reported they lost funds, one member lost exactly 1 bitcoin if I remember correctly, and this happened more than a month ago:

I have sent to whalemixer: https://whalemixer.com - 1BTC. Was supposed to receive in maximum 6 hours the mixed coins back! never received any and he does not answer ticket's and messages
If I don't hear anything by the end of the day I will report this to authorities
Please avoid! It looks like a scam since it's been 48 hours and I am not the only one complaining!

[SinisterB]

I see that even your website is down right now!
I have not received any funds back!
I understand if you were ill, but why don't you fix things now?