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February 06, 2021, 11:34:59 PM
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Well what about those that do daytrading?  Can't imagine they are sending btc/altcoins/usdt/usdc to their hardware wallet daily and doing it every single day right?  And also with the high fees it is to send now?
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February 06, 2021, 11:47:17 PM
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In my opinion storing your coin in legitimate wallet is safe but don't expect to make quick profit from holding as the value of BTC might drop because it's not always stable, I suggest investing in crypto trading and investment platform, a few I can recommend are hotfxm.com, fexcoinoptions.com and expertoptions.org
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February 06, 2021, 11:53:41 PM
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How do you store your coin?
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February 06, 2021, 11:54:43 PM
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Storing BTC on exchange wallets are not recommendable for the safety might be at stake specially talking about the recent issues that involves hacking of famous exchanges despite of tight security they do have as well as the bugs that is prohibiting users to access their accounts temporarily. Upon encountering such, you will be paranoid and frustrated on how you can regain access to your Bitcoins right? It will be fine to store your Bitcoin into your exchange wallet of your choice if you will be actively using or engaging it into stuffs and not to just store it because you are treating exchanges to be storage wallets. Exchanges and storage wallets have their own purpose and usages so better get stick into it.

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February 07, 2021, 12:07:50 AM
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Where do you suggest is safe to store coins?
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February 07, 2021, 04:14:30 AM
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Everywhere I read tells me it is not a good idea to leave BTC long term at an exchange wallet.  However, the same people who say that recommend crypto interest earning accounts such as BlockFi or Celsious.  Doesn't make sense to me.  So I should not trust Coinbase or Gemini yet I can trust BlockFi or Celsius to keep my crypto safe?  What?Huh

I don't recommend keeping your coins in exchange wallets and at the same time I extend this advice for interest earning sites as well. it is very simple and straightforward - if you don't own the private keys, then it is not your crypto. I am not familiar with the revenue earning mechanism of these interest earning sites, but they look shady for me and resembles various Ponzi and pyramid schemes. Sooner or later, they will vanish taking all the coins with them.

And keeping your coins in an exchange wallet for the long term can be the worst decision you can make with regards to your cryptocurrency holdings. I am saying this out of my own experience, as I have lost huge amounts of coins by keeping them in exchanges.

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February 07, 2021, 04:44:04 AM
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Then you should just don't consider their recommendation.
But honestly, you should just find what suits you well. If you don't really feel secure of using centralized wallet just find desktop/mobile wallet or hardware wallet.
But if you think the centralized wallet is secure enough you can store there, it's you who decide whether you gonna take the risk or not simply because even if you used a wallet that's not centralized if you can't properly maintain your own security such as keeping away virus out of your computer then you still have the risk.

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February 07, 2021, 04:50:32 AM
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Everywhere I read tells me it is not a good idea to leave BTC long term at an exchange wallet.  However, the same people who say that recommend crypto interest earning accounts such as BlockFi or Celsious.  Doesn't make sense to me.  So I should not trust Coinbase or Gemini yet I can trust BlockFi or Celsius to keep my crypto safe?  What?Huh

From all the hacks on exchanges that have happened over the years you should not keep more than you are willing to lose. If you are looking to trade a few thousand USD worth of stuff and leave it on an account that's probably pretty safe. Risking 10k+ because you want to earn interest is not something you would want to do unless you don't care about losing it.

Famous hacks were

MTGOX, BTCE, Cryptopia, many various others over the years. If the exchange exists it will probably be hacked at some point. MTGOX people barely got anything back.

Some of the best methods of storing your crypto are using the hardware wallets. If you are truly wanting to do stuff with interest earning that is all on Ethereum, some of their things like SushiSwap can earn you over 100% APR a year. I haven't looked into what kind of interest you can earn from BTC, have you seen something that is comparable? Might be possible to lock BTC in WBTC on Ethereum and stake with that, that way you always control your wallet.
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February 07, 2021, 08:02:22 AM
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Everywhere I read tells me it is not a good idea to leave BTC long term at an exchange wallet.  However, the same people who say that recommend crypto interest earning accounts such as BlockFi or Celsious.  Doesn't make sense to me.  So I should not trust Coinbase or Gemini yet I can trust BlockFi or Celsius to keep my crypto safe?  What?Huh

If you are not doing regular trading then you should move the coins from exchanges to your own wallet. Although there are rare chance that exchange could get hack and all your coins get lost but still there is a risk. We have seen in the past how many small exchanges get hacked and people lose their hard earned money.
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However, the same people who say that recommend crypto interest earning accounts such as BlockFi or Celsious.
It's worth taking a closer look at just why it is such a bad idea to leave you coins in these platforms. Let's have a look at some quotes from their Terms of Services. Emphasis mine throughout.

First BlockFi:
Except where prohibited or limited by applicable law, in consideration for the cryptocurrency earned on your account, you grant BlockFi the right, without further notice to you, to hold the cryptocurrency held in your account in BlockFi’s name or in another name, and to pledge, repledge, hypothecate, rehypothecate, sell, lend, or otherwise transfer, invest or use any amount of such cryptocurrency, separately or together with other property, with all attendant rights of ownership, and for any period of time and without retaining in BlockFi’s possession and/or control a like amount of cryptocurrency, and to use or invest such cryptocurrency at its own risk.

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You will indemnify and hold us and our affiliates harmless from any losses, damages, suits and expenses, of whatever kind, including reasonable attorneys’ fees, which we may incur in connection with or arising out of your use of your Crypto Interest Account or our activities in connection with such account, your violation of any law, regulation, order or other legal mandate, or the rights of a third party, or any act or omission by your agent, representative or third-party service provider while using your Crypto Interest Account, regardless of whether the specific use was expressly authorized by you.

Now Celsius:
In consideration for the rewards earned on your Celsius Wallet and the use of our Services, you grant Celsius, subject to applicable law and for the duration of the period during which the Digital Assets are available through your Celsius Wallet, all right and title to such Digital Assets, including ownership rights, and the right, without further notice to you, to hold such Digital Assets in Celsius’ own virtual wallet or elsewhere, and to pledge, re-pledge, hypothecate, rehypothecate, sell, lend, or otherwise transfer or use any amount of such Digital Assets, separately or together with other property, with all attendant rights of ownership, and for any period of time, and without retaining in Celsius’ possession and/or control a like amount of Digital Assets or any other monies or assets, and to use or invest such Digital Assets.

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You agree to indemnify and hold harmless Celsius and its employees, managers, partners and Affiliates from any losses, damages, suits and expenses, of whatever kind, including reasonable legal fees, that we incur in connection with or arising out of your use of your Celsius Wallet and/or the Services, or our activities in connection with such Celsius Wallet, and for your violation of any law, regulation, order or other legal mandate, or the rights of a third party, or any act or omission by you or any person acting on your behalf while using your Celsius Wallet, regardless of whether the specific use was expressly authorized by you.

In other words, they will hand out your coins to anyone they like, be it individuals, business, corporations, exchanges, investment banks, whoever they like, they won't tell you that they are doing, they won't hold any other assets in collateral for your coins, and if any of these hundreds of anonymous third parties default on their loans, make bad investment decision, scam, go bankrupt, whatever, there is absolutely nothing you can do about it except wave bye-bye to all your coins.



I don't understand why people are jumping into all this lending and DeFi crap.
For the same reason people jumped on the ICO train. The vast majority of users have zero knowledge regarding the technology (or lack thereof) which underlies such altcoins and projects, and have zero interest in acquiring such knowledge. They simply want profits, and the vast majority will end up holding bags of some worthless token in a year or two. If they had just bought and held bitcoin instead they would be touching all time highs, instead of holding some useless token which is down >95% from its all time high.
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February 07, 2021, 10:53:50 AM
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Why you want to use exchange for hodling? There are a lot of good non-custody wallets like trust or ownr and people still want to use somey custody service instead...
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February 07, 2021, 11:38:29 AM
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Why you want to use exchange for hodling? There are a lot of good non-custody wallets like trust or ownr and people still want to use somey custody service instead...
Well, I think he wants to earn profit from holding his coin on that exchange.
He can do that, but he must remember that he does not use too big money to hold in the exchange because it is too risky as we do not know how the interest can give them profit.
It is better to save the coin in the wallet that you have full control over your coins, so if something happens to the exchange, you will not be a worry.
The only interest that I know is if you use your balance to lend to the traders who need more money to trade.

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February 07, 2021, 12:41:48 PM
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Some exchange is safe.

But, From my opinion, It’s better to store BTC an decentralized wallet.

I don't like any 3rd party in long term.
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February 07, 2021, 01:18:36 PM
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storing crypto in exchange is never safe except their exchange have ability to give you private key for each coin/token
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February 07, 2021, 02:02:11 PM
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Everywhere I read tells me it is not a good idea to leave BTC long term at an exchange wallet.  However, the same people who say that recommend crypto interest earning accounts such as BlockFi or Celsious.  Doesn't make sense to me.  So I should not trust Coinbase or Gemini yet I can trust BlockFi or Celsius to keep my crypto safe?  What?Huh
For me do not store your bitcoin in any exchange wallet, no matter how many times they will say that their exchange is secure but there is some news that they encounter some attacks from hacker of course but they will recover it in a short period of time depending on the security team skills, better to save it in hardware wallet but be careful not to lose it nor broke it because it will be hard to fix that.
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The fact is that if you keep your cryptocurrency on the exchange for a long time, you can lose it, for example, due to hacking, since after all, your cryptocurrency is not with you, but with the exchange.
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February 07, 2021, 03:21:00 PM
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Not recommended at all because you don't have the full control of your asset. Anything can happen from getting your account hacked to the exchange wallet getting hacked, your account get suspended for unknown reason, forgotting your password and the means to recover the account, etc. If you are not going to use the bitcoin for a long time then send it to another wallet where the private key is in your hand.

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February 07, 2021, 03:29:52 PM
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Everywhere I read tells me it is not a good idea to leave BTC long term at an exchange wallet.  However, the same people who say that recommend crypto interest earning accounts such as BlockFi or Celsious.  Doesn't make sense to me.  So I should not trust Coinbase or Gemini yet I can trust BlockFi or Celsius to keep my crypto safe?  What?Huh


If you try the staking feature in some exchanges, indeed, you will flower from the staking you plant. The problem is, we don't know how strong and long those exchanges last? because we know some exchanges even high-class exchanges have also experienced a breach of funds attack which is certainly very dangerous for us to save it. Unlike personal wallets , especially if we use them in hardware wallets, such as trezor. It must be perfectly safe.

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February 07, 2021, 04:00:02 PM
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Not recommended at all because you don't have the full control of your asset. Anything can happen from getting your account hacked to the exchange wallet getting hacked, your account get suspended for unknown reason, forgotting your password and the means to recover the account, etc. If you are not going to use the bitcoin for a long time then send it to another wallet where the private key is in your hand.
I agree with your opinion that it is better to save your BTC in an account that you hold a private key, if it is stored in a place that you do not hold private keys, you may lose your assets by reason of being hacked.

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February 07, 2021, 04:05:48 PM
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the risk is indeed the same. the problem arise since even this a business profitable (exchange crypto currencies and fiat) there are several risks inside the activity. We have seen both DeFi or exchange get exploited or hacked so there is always the same risks.
and probably this is also the reason behind some high yearly return that some programs are able to provide.

normally some western countries offer a protection for their funds deposited in a third party, but this obviously not applied to bitcoin !!!

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