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February 09, 2021, 10:04:18 AM
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Here is a good example. This user wrote a good review/summary of a project 2 days ago.

No interest at all.
No reply at all.
No merit at all.

Until I just saw it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5315277.msg56305712#msg56305712

Meanwhile 99% of the posts in this board are spam and 1% are good, but why bother make good post
when they just get ignored?

Bitcointalk keeps losing traffic despite getting so many clicks from CMC and other sources,
the Merit system has made it worse.

Yeah, a good example of a user buying an account, or waking up to post a "good" post three times in threads. Is it advertising or spam?

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February 09, 2021, 10:06:55 AM
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Here is a good example. This user wrote a good review/summary of a project 2 days ago.

No interest at all.
No reply at all.
No merit at all.

Until I just saw it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5315277.msg56305712#msg56305712
Looks like that post is copy/paste from reddit, here is the original that is posted 3 days ago (that makes it older than btctalk post) https://www.reddit.com/r/binance/comments/ld49ej/sparta_on_binance_smart_chain_the_next_snx/ so unless @Books4sale509 is behind that reddit account, this is nothing but a plagiarism case.

But generally you won't see many active merit sources in altcoin section and that's probably the main reason why even good posts there often go unmerited, or receive way less than posts in other boards, which is not a surprise as name of the forum is bitcointalk.

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February 09, 2021, 10:36:03 AM
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not suprised everyone in a sig campaign disagreeing

Did you actually read what people have said or just saw they have a signature and then disregarded it?

My arguments were completely ignored. I get it you (you as in everyone with a sig) want to protect the system you are benefitting from. But why would someone with a lot of Merit and in Sig Campaigns ever give out Merit? All he would be doing is cause more people to get to high forum ranks and steal slots in the best Sig campaigns from him. You may be an exception but most humans would say what you say then act completely different. Just like for example with cheap meat from insanely large, cruel animal farms. Nobody admits they are buying it yet almost everyone (90%) does it.

They weren't ignored at all. In fact, some people agreed with some of what you were saying. The rest is just complete conspiracy theory. Do you really think people are hoarding their merit like it's some sort of precious gold? For most higher ranked users who already have achieved Hero/Legendary rank have no need for merit and I've never once in my life thought I've best not merit this post because my signature place is potentially at stake and I'm sure this is relevant to 99% of others. I think the only people who will be cautious with their merit and not send it are the ones who keep it to give to their alts or want to trade it with others in a merit for merit exchange or something but those will likely be in the minority. Personally I'm happy to give it out to anybody regardless of rank.

That's the issue with the way that you're thinking OP. One shouldn't be hunting for merit.

See, thats the perfect example of a merit-hunting post. You pretend someone is wrong,
claim the morale high ground and theres an issue so you can gain some merit Wink

Thats also how the media has been doing it for a while keeping
everyone hooked. They just make up issues and that gets them attention and clicks.
Which has led us pretty much to mass insanity and people completely addicted to
quick dopamine rewards.

Most people here probably think you are wrong. You're making a biased argument from a point of frustration that you don't have enough of what you're complaining about. It's like complaining about greedy capitalism whilst in reality you're just annoyed that you don't have a mansion and Lamborghini, yet if you were in a position to have those things you'd have nothing to complain about but it's the greedy others that that are keeping you down and are to blame not you.

I will reiterate my point that you've been a member since August 2017 and have made only 631 posts.  What are you expecting?  It isn't supposed to be easy to earn merits; that's the whole point of the merit system, to suppress shitposters and reward members who put in a decent amount of thought and effort into what they're writing.  I'd say you have a pretty good merit/post ratio.  I've certainly seen members with ones that are a lot less.

The question is also why have facebook-like-merits to "reward" posts when the post should speak for itself?


I can see the moderators do their best to improve the forums and its always easy to complain (as I do right now)
but not very easy to offer solutions.



We have the merit system to try limit the abuse that you're complaining about and this has already been stated but I'm not sure you're reading what people are saying. Before it people were either manually or botting accounts farming them for signature campaigns. Tell me, if you were theymos what would you change to make the forum better? Do you have a solution to minimise botting and farming and shitposting whilst not punishing everyone else? Would you completely scrap the merit system or implement something else instead? At the end of the day the merit and even rank system is meaningless to anybody who isn't here just to earn. It doesn't stop you from posting at all. 

What do you want then? In one sentence.

Support an open discussion from the best minds in crypto, security, assets, technology, not some kids
hooked on Facebook-likes-Merits to make their Signature-Campaign posts.

(I know many signature-posters still make great posts, but many do not).



You can do this with as a newbie with zero merits. Be honest, this isn't really what you want. If you want a sig free discussion you can try the Serious Discussion boards.

you can buy Copper membership.

I would definitely pay to improve my rank and to support the forum. But the copper membership
seems to be for Newbies so they can post images. Am I missing something?

Paying for a higher membership (and to support the forum) is actually a much better system
than the Merit system because it improves quality, and I doubt people who pay to support
the forum would harm their accounts by spam posting.

I take it you didn't read my previous post then?  Roll Eyes However, I guarantee you even if we did offer more affordable donator ranks that came with the benefits of Full and Hero Members people would still complain why do we have to pay for this, you're just being greedy, how can I afford this when I can't earn here in the first place and so on. Whatever we do we can't win and people will always complain.

I saw in many local forums now (I wont mention names) people just keep giving each other Merit. And the more I looked into the
Merit system its a naturable behaviour. You will reward those who reward you. This does not improve forum quality at all.
I think you are right about this. In small communities, those that you help will tend to help you, and merit will be "circled" amongst those who are 'liked' in the community. This is a difficult problem to address because communities should have merit sources to give the community merit, and overregulation of communities can cause real harm.

Increasing the total sMerit available might somewhat alleviate this problem as sMerit will be less scarce, and there will be less of an incentive to send sMerit to only your friends.

Well of course they're going to give it amongst themselves mostly. If you're mostly posting exclusively in that board and can only speak the same language they're hardly going to be dishing it out to posts they either don't see or can't read/understand.

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February 09, 2021, 10:51:56 AM
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Really dont understand why are complaining about merit system. Those who want to rank up, still manage to do it. Just take a look on this topic [LOG] The ranked up members - Congratulations!. This proved that merit is distributed, and not kept to prevent others from ranking up.

People with a lot of Merit can earn $50 in BTC a week easily and more in signature campaigns. They have absolutely ZERO motivation to give others Merit because if anything giving others Merit will give them more competition in the signature campaigns.

But if everyone distributed all their merit to others and merit sources wont have merit limitations, this would created forum rank worthless. Everyone will be a Legendary and everyone would earn 1$ weekly for wearing signatures. Even accounts, that has only bounty reports in their post history will get Legendary status in two years. Is this what you want?

P.S. Ever thought why in Olympics only first place is awarded with gold medal and everyone else not?

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February 09, 2021, 10:56:04 AM
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I somewhere heard a story about a man who entertained people by drawing their portrait with toothpicks and he charged $100 for his work of 5 minutes. Once he was asked why dafuq one should pay this much money for a bunch of toothpicks that he/she would probably throw away after some time. Then the guy said he spent 30 years of his life in order to perfectly own his technique. So it's not about the result that you see at the given time, it's about the amount of effort and investment that one put until he got to the point where he/she is now.

"People with a lot of Merit" did not register their profiles with those "a lot of Merit" inside.

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February 09, 2021, 02:40:59 PM
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Here is a good example. This user wrote a good review/summary of a project 2 days ago.

No interest at all.
No reply at all.
No merit at all.

Until I just saw it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5315277.msg56305712#msg56305712
Yeah, that post is not a good post by any means, and it looks like it's been trashed anyway since it was plagiarized.

Meanwhile 99% of the posts in this board are spam and 1% are good, but why bother make good post
when they just get ignored?
This is argument for more reporting and more moderators, not an argument for abolishing the merit system. Without the merit system, an even higher percentage of posts would be spam.

Bitcointalk keeps losing traffic despite getting so many clicks from CMC and other sources,
the Merit system has made it worse.
I don't know if you remember during the ICO craze at the end of 2017 when every new coin/token was launching a signature campaign, but large areas of the forum were completely unusable due to the spam. Bitcointalk was losing traffic from real humans and actual users in place of more traffic from bots and spammers. The merit system has undoubtedly made things better.



Having said all that, I don't disagree with some of the points you are making. There is far too much spam in the altcoin sections, and probably not enough merit circulates there either. Looking through your post history, you are not a shit poster, and so I've given you some merit. The reality is that this is a bitcoin forum, and the majority of senior and knowledgeable users (and therefore the users with the most merit to distribute) spend most of their time in the bitcoin boards. I, for example, have zero interest in discussing alts whatsoever, since the majority of them are outright scams.
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February 09, 2021, 05:18:41 PM
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Having said all that, I don't disagree with some of the points you are making. There is far too much spam in the altcoin sections, and probably not enough merit circulates there either. Looking through your post history, you are not a shit poster, and so I've given you some merit. The reality is that this is a bitcoin forum, and the majority of senior and knowledgeable users (and therefore the users with the most merit to distribute) spend most of their time in the bitcoin boards. I, for example, have zero interest in discussing alts whatsoever, since the majority of them are outright scams.

Thanks. And I feel kinda stupid for giving that guy 1 merit but it seemed like a good post and he "shilled" a Binance project, where the project itself does seem fine. I looked at the project not his post history or if his post was plagarized.

I agree on the Altcoin forum points you have made, and I understand the motivation behind there being no Merit sources because I noticed the Admin is really into Bitcoin (and I am too). But not everyone got many many Bitcoin from back in the day and so for me the best way was to buy cheap Altcoins and trade them into Bitcoin after huge gains, and this strategy has worked well for me.

I stand to the point you could be making quality posts in the Altcoin section for 10 years and not reach Sr. Member.  And in the last Bullrun and the months before, there definitely was more quality posts here in the Altcoin sections. Now you can hardly even get people to name some good low cap projects because they just spam the same ETH-related posts over and over.

It was amazing to be part of Bitcointalk for a little while. Thankyou. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5316241.0
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February 09, 2021, 05:42:26 PM
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I stand to the point you could be making quality posts in the Altcoin section for 10 years and not reach Sr. Member.  And in the last Bullrun and the months before, there definitely was more quality posts here in the Altcoin sections. Now you can hardly even get people to name some good low cap projects because they just spam the same ETH-related posts over and over.

To reach Sr. Member before 2018 all you had to do was make 240 posts, quality didn't matter. To reach Sr. Member now you need 240 posts and some of them need to be good enough to stand out in the ocean of crap. You still haven't explained how that's a bad thing or why one would need to be a Sr. Member to begin with. And still no examples to support your blanket statements, like - users who have been making quality posts for 10 years.

BTW there are merit sources on the Altcoin boards so again, you need to show those overlooked high-quality posts.
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I stand to the point you could be making quality posts in the Altcoin section for 10 years and not reach Sr. Member.
I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, and as suchmoon says, if you have examples to the contrary then please do provide them.

There is a well known troll who has spent the best part of two years whining about the merit system and how there are hundreds of good posters who are not getting the merit they deserve. He was asked on multiple occasions to provide links to these great unmerited posts so us merit sources could give them the merit they deserved, but he was unable to ever provide a single example.

There is a thread started by Loyce here - [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source - where you can leave links to good unmerited posts for merit sources to review. I would encourage you to use it if you find such posts.

I'm not saying all this to be deliberately antagonistic. It's just I spend a lot of time looking for and asking for links to all these great unmerited posters, and very rarely has anything been forthcoming. I'd be happy to be proved wrong though.
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February 09, 2021, 09:17:10 PM
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@Op, I have over 30 smerit so if it happens that you find a good post you think it deserves merit, feel free to send me a PM with the link and I'll merit it after a review of course.
I'm not a merit source but lately I started browsing the altcoin section. Didn't find many reasonable posts to give merit to but hopefully in the future I spend some more time there and help the section as far as I can Wink

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People with a lot of Merit can earn $50 in BTC a week easily and more in signature campaigns. They have absolutely ZERO motivation to give others Merit because if anything giving others Merit will give them more competition in the signature campaigns.

The cancer that is Facebook with constant dopamine-addiction and global mass insanity and people just creating posts to get a like has also made its way to Bitcointalk now.

While Bitcoin promised to destroy the established system now and this place was great for discussions, now its just another Facebook. The old quality of message boards that you can still see in Posts by Satoshi and many others (in OLD posts where people actually made thoughtful posts and did own research and posted about experiences) is now completely disappeared because people rather make posts thinking they will get a like, or to spam their X posts a week for their signature campaigns.

While its great to offer people a way to earn bitcoin, basing this so much on the merit system is the stupidest thing Bitcointalk has ever done and it has ruined these forums. I must have seen the exact same ETH-shill post in different words 50 times last week in the Altcoin disussion board. Always by different usernames but probably the same people/same guy running all them in his bot network.

Was a great time but until this system is changed I rather write in some old mailing lists or even to my own notepad because there I have control over my words and thoughts and am not influenced by retarded distractions as the Merit system.

Have a nice day!





You will get zero support here because.

1.The merit sources who derive like 80% of their merit from each other or the other top 200 cyclers all have their noses in the sig spam trough and DT protection racket.

So go check out the DT1 top 20 fans and recipients lol
Go check their DT inclusions.

So yes merit is a cancer that destroyed the forum.

2.  These people are the forum wardens friends who he will sit there and allow to cycle merit around to each other and include each other on default trust using the merit = trust he made up although that makes collusion VERY EASY rather than make it more robust.

Then he will allow them to use their position in DT and having bags of merits given to each other to

Red tag people for saying anything they dont like.
Red tag whistle blowers that present independently verifiable evidence of scamming
Block flags and legitimate warnings  on themselves or their scamming friends even when there is proof
Trade red tag removals so 2 scammers can make deals to remove each others red tags.

On top of this if DT can not find any evidence of any financially motivated wrong doing at all
Then theymos will put a defamatory and bogus lie on your threads that DT have placed warnings you are a scammer when they have not.

Yes the fact they use merit to ensure they are all jammed packed in the highest paying sigs is the tip of the iceberg.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088852.0

This post was made before the merit and trust system were conflated as being the same thing.  
See how this member points out clearly the merit system is crap and abused anyway which no member could debunk his points.

Notice how theymos doesnt merit any of that but gives merit to some anecdotal crap from a guy that is now spamming

.....yes you guessed it CHIPMIXER. Claiming it all works perfectly well for him as he likes the taste of ass.

Merit is cancer to this forum. It was poorly conceived to start with. However like a foundation of pure liquid manure it was then built upon. And built upon to ruin the trust system and other aspects.

Now I see where people are pissed that merit sources are all on DT1 and all spamming the highest paying sigs.
Colluding and scamming with impunity in some cases. All are either scammer protectors or enablers. None have any back bone at all.

So yeah it's bad the most greedy and most corrupt take all the money and support scammers or enable them by not doing their fucking job.

The most worrying thing is the implications for free speech.

Merit is the carrot to push the echo chamber ..agree with our pov and get merits.
Merit is the fuel to control the trust system, that is the stick for not following the narrative or whistleblowing on them.
Also can be used to directly block legitimate warnings.

DT mods and the forum warden theymos will not dare deny or debate these points because every one is independently verifiable.

Meta is their favorite echo chamber.

You will get no support here to change the status quo. Next if you continue to speak the truth you'll get some red tags or get banned.

You notice even mods have multiple accounts where they are maxed out sigs and avatars. Lol

Theymos is independently wealthy obviously so greed is likely not his motivation for allowing such corruption and the crushing of free speech here. He is some kind of computer programmer or enthusiast that is likely trying some kind of weird social experiment or experimenting with some kind of pseudo centralized control systems and has spent a few hours designing and coding it out so is either too lazy to fix it or too stubborn to admit it was a cluster fuck until the forum is just him and some mods with Dt1 all fucking each other over fighting for the last sponsorships available.

Lol I mean the entire thing seems strange what kind of dumb fuck is darkstar to hire these dregs so you have 8 chipmixer sigs all on every page of meta. Also find me a chipmixer spammer that has made an original thought inspiring post that has made any lasting  difference? I mean find me 1 chipmixer spammer here that made a real difference to any important outcome here ever?

I see no huge scams stopped? I see no advise given that turned lots of poor people into millionaires. I see nothing at all apart from regurgitated slobbering and meaningless useless drivel from most of DT1. All claiming to be looking out for the forum and its members by milking all the best sig spots and other rev streams... high interest loans, escrow etc etc

Merit is cancer. Read every post by cryptohunter and the one above all  after that account starts posting in meta around 2019.  A wrecking ball of truth that meta couldn't handle.

Having said all of that make sure to understand free speech is far more important than a fair crack at the bitcoin dust
Both are intertwined but if they can only use the carrot and not the stick then more will speak out, or you would hope so.
Better if both are removed.

Keep pointing out how corrupt and flawed it is regardless of how much they tell you nothing will change so no point mentioning it further.
The main issue is that everyone is greedy.

They complain about how unfair it is until they are allowed to be part of it.

You see the same people fighting to retain merit? All those spamming highly paid mixer or gambling sigs?
They are the same ones fighting to prevent transparent objective standards as the basis of the trust system
They want to retain the capacity to red tag you for anything they want to retain the capacity to block legitimate warnings on their own and friends accounts.

See the dirty turds thread. The types of people in charge of merit and trust are clearly greedy corrupt losers.
They have been here years on end through 2 huge bull runs and are still broke. lol

Yeah their advise and posts are well worth merit. You can become a total loser too, what are you waiting for.   Haha

Oelieo or whatever that peasants name is, is talking crap.  Good post?

Well as suchmoon says good poster and bad poster are meaningless terms unless measured against specific criteria.

But these idiots of DT are splashing merit over each other for pure crap 95% of the time. Then say find brilliant posts that deserve merit and I will merit it.

Okay well how about let's start with the link posted here. Go merit the OP and each post he made there.
Then find every post CH, Toaa and all of those made about the merit system , DT scammers and spammers.
The dirty turds thread that no member could debunk any of the independently verifiable evidence of DT scamming, scam facilitating and scammer protecting.
If you want links here specifically that deserve merit let me know.

I mean you only need to look at foxpups merit splurging

He got busted chucking out merit every 2 nano seconds to pharmacist and other DT colluders.
He said he had a time machine. Others say they just bookmark ( their pals ) and search their posts to give them merit lol
He also says his own opinions are not based on any form of reasoning?
Merit = collusion credits.

Control merit and therefore DT = control all rev streams, can scam with impunity and block valid warnings , trade red tag removals , offer incentives via nice merit morcels or trust includes to either support or block their flags.

There are so many holes in this merit and trust system is it dangerous at best or deliberately corrupt.
Research and think about it for yourself.
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February 11, 2021, 04:14:24 AM
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I saw in many local forums now (I wont mention names) people just keep giving each other Merit. And the more I looked into the
Merit system its a naturable behaviour. You will reward those who reward you. This does not improve forum quality at all.
I think you are right about this. In small communities, those that you help will tend to help you, and merit will be "circled" amongst those who are 'liked' in the community. This is a difficult problem to address because communities should have merit sources to give the community merit, and overregulation of communities can cause real harm.

Increasing the total sMerit available might somewhat alleviate this problem as sMerit will be less scarce, and there will be less of an incentive to send sMerit to only your friends.

Well of course they're going to give it amongst themselves mostly. If you're mostly posting exclusively in that board and can only speak the same language they're hardly going to be dishing it out to posts they either don't see or can't read/understand.
I was referring to people sending merit to their IRL friends for posts that are probably not deserving of merit for corrupt purposes. There are many good/interesting threads in the English subs, and most modern browsers have auto-translate features that allow people to translate content into their native language.

There is far too much spam in the altcoin sections, and probably not enough merit circulates there either.
This is probably not an ideal situation. Having close to zero merit circulating in the altcoin sub means that it is more difficult to identify good posts to read and respond to, which will lead to a worse signal-to-noise ratio in that section.
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February 11, 2021, 09:44:34 AM
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Really don't understand why are complaining about merit system. Those who want to rank up, still manage to do it. Just take a look on this topic

Because it prohibits them from easily earning here straight away. muenze makes his gripes clear in the very post you quoted:

People with a lot of Merit can earn $50 in BTC a week easily and more in signature campaigns. They have absolutely ZERO motivation to give others Merit because if anything giving others Merit will give them more competition in the signature campaigns.

I somewhere heard a story about a man who entertained people by drawing their portrait with toothpicks and he charged $100 for his work of 5 minutes. Once he was asked why dafuq one should pay this much money for a bunch of toothpicks that he/she would probably throw away after some time. Then the guy said he spent 30 years of his life in order to perfectly own his technique. So it's not about the result that you see at the given time, it's about the amount of effort and investment that one put until he got to the point where he/she is now.

"People with a lot of Merit" did not register their profiles with those "a lot of Merit" inside.

Not exactly true. If you registered before the introduction of the merit system all you needed was the activity which just required you to make one post every fortnight, hence the introduction of the merit system as people were easily farming accounts just by shitposting.

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February 11, 2021, 12:21:11 PM
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It isn't the merit system that is at fault. The problem is the migration of some of the old established members. Biased moderation is one possible reason, and I get pissed off when I have a post deleted. Especially if it is on a political or health topic. I spend a lot of time on research and observation, and I don't appreciate attacks from people who have rolled over and accepted the current propaganda. If you don't have time to do your own research,then at least look around you and think about what you can see,

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February 11, 2021, 11:48:07 PM
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People with a lot of Merit can earn $50 in BTC a week easily and more in signature campaigns. They have absolutely ZERO motivation to give others Merit because if anything giving others Merit will give them more competition in the signature campaigns.
There is no evidence about this and you may also know that members will always give merit to the good posts that they think deserve a merit(s) if they have sMerit. And so far, many members are increasing the ranks and they are on the top. competition is something very usual in this life and how we can make qualified posts will deserve the results. SO, just keep up the good work and you can also get the merits and also chance to get into the signature with BTC payment and also others.

While its great to offer people a way to earn bitcoin, basing this so much on the merit system is the stupidest thing Bitcointalk has ever done and it has ruined these forums. I must have seen the exact same ETH-shill post in different words 50 times last week in the Altcoin disussion board. Always by different usernames but probably the same people/same guy running all them in his bot network.
What do you mean by this?
This is so funny how you accuse this forum. But this is your only thought. Bounty Managers commonly not only consider the merit but also the post quality to get into the signature campaign that they manage. If you are a good poster, why don't you try to join them?

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February 12, 2021, 12:35:49 AM
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People with a lot of Merit can earn $50 in BTC a week easily and more in signature campaigns. They have absolutely ZERO motivation to give others Merit because if anything giving others Merit will give them more competition in the signature campaigns.
There is no evidence about this and you may also know that members will always give merit to the good posts that they think deserve a merit(s) if they have sMerit. And so far, many members are increasing the ranks and they are on the top. competition is something very usual in this life and how we can make qualified posts will deserve the results. SO, just keep up the good work and you can also get the merits and also chance to get into the signature with BTC payment and also others.

While its great to offer people a way to earn bitcoin, basing this so much on the merit system is the stupidest thing Bitcointalk has ever done and it has ruined these forums. I must have seen the exact same ETH-shill post in different words 50 times last week in the Altcoin disussion board. Always by different usernames but probably the same people/same guy running all them in his bot network.
What do you mean by this?
This is so funny how you accuse this forum. But this is your only thought. Bounty Managers commonly not only consider the merit but also the post quality to get into the signature campaign that they manage. If you are a good poster, why don't you try to join them?

Who listens to a noob shilling such a crap sig?
Shhh the successful elders are discussing and debating based on observable events.

Try to debunk any of my points? I challenge you to debunk my core points in 24 hours or you admit you're a chode.

What you're stating is anecdotal crap from the perspective of a very professional ass eater.

Lol at your mind reading talents. My posts must be brilliant if nobody can debunk my core points ...get applying the merits and speed the word. I should have at a minimum 100k merits by now.

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February 12, 2021, 06:14:44 AM
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While I agree that people with more merits can earn more money, but the main goal of the forum is to have positive an critical discussions about Bitcoin and not earning money, and if we remove the merit system, there will be hell lot of spammers making their way up ranks and earning from campaigns by more spamming. Coming to the competition part, I don't think it's true. While some might be a little hesitant to give out merits, almost all merit sources and people who have good number of smerits give it out generously without hesitation. It won't increase competition, because money isn't the only goal here, if a member posts good, he will rank up later or sooner Smiley
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February 12, 2021, 07:02:32 AM
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While Bitcoin promised to destroy the established system now and this place was great for discussions, now its just another Facebook. The old quality of message boards that you can still see in Posts by Satoshi and many others (in OLD posts where people actually made thoughtful posts and did own research and posted about experiences) is now completely disappeared because people rather make posts thinking they will get a like, or to spam their X posts a week for their signature campaigns.
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Do you want to get rid of signature campaigns? Because i can't really see you offering any other solution. From what i've understood in Satoshi era this was a very different place anyway.

Or do you really want to go back to old system? That would just create account farming and meaninless spamming for bounties would be off the charts. How would that be good for the forum?

And comparing this to Facebook dopamin addiction doesn't make any sense; Making this forum a better place for everyone by helping others, with interesting points and informative topics is very different from posting puppies and selfies for likes with your friends.

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February 12, 2021, 07:23:25 AM
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People with a lot of Merit can earn $50 in BTC a week easily and more in signature campaigns. They have absolutely ZERO motivation to give others Merit because if anything giving others Merit will give them more competition in the signature campaigns.
That's not true, even with the excessive way you're presenting it. If I send a merit to a person, it can be seen on my merit history. It can be seen by everyone that BlackHatCoiner merited <someone> which shows that BlackHatCoiner liked a high quality post. So no, I don't have ZERO motivation to give my merits. They are useless units if I keep them, but I can show my generosity by giving them away.

The cancer that is Facebook with constant dopamine-addiction and global mass insanity and people just creating posts to get a like has also made its way to Bitcointalk now.
I can't really compare any forum boards except Altcoin Discussion with Facebook.

The old quality of message boards that you can still see in Posts by Satoshi and many others (in OLD posts where people actually made thoughtful posts and did own research and posted about experiences) is now completely disappeared because people rather make posts thinking they will get a like, or to spam their X posts a week for their signature campaigns.
I think you've confused Bounties with Signature Campaigns. On bounties you can literally see the same kind of post. Call it spam, call it meaningless. But on signature campaigns, it's entirely different. People try making high quality posts, otherwise they won't be accepted in future campaigns. At least this is the way I see it.

While its great to offer people a way to earn bitcoin, basing this so much on the merit system is the stupidest thing Bitcointalk has ever done and it has ruined these forums. I must have seen the exact same ETH-shill post in different words 50 times last week in the Altcoin disussion board. Always by different usernames but probably the same people/same guy running all them in his bot network.
We can agree here.



So basically, what annoys you is the spamming. Not the merits. If the merit system didn't exist, have you any idea how much spam it'd be? The altcoin discussion is the cancer you're describing that has "ruined" the forum. Not the signature campaigns. And you can verify that by observing that only signature campaign participants have replied on this thread. None from bounties.

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theymos does not care because he make 5000 BTC from this website. He has long since abandoned the bitcoin community after satoshi handed it to him and enjoys his selfish lavish lifestyle
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