Some german guys keep sending merits to each other for sig campaigns

[muenze]

See this users merit ratings. Got to high merit with a new account fast. Always giving Merits to each other
to level up their accounts so they can take part in sig campaigns with all their alt accounts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=2744352

Is this supposed how the merit system is improving the forums? Now he left me my first negative
trust feedback ever, based on his fake trust he got from exchanging trust with his fake accounts.....

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2744352

I never even was in any kind of transaction with him.. Or have offered anything or sold anything

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[bullrun2024bro]

The user @muenze is constantly spreading lies and false statements about me.

He has accused me of receiving commissions from exchanges because I list them in this thread: CEX, DEX, Instant-Exchanges, Broker & Wallets mit Exchangefunktion [Liste] 02/21

This is absolutely not true and serves only to damage my reputation here in the forum. After I called him out on his false statements he accused me of "Merit-Sharing" and "Trust-Buying" which is obviously also a lie. He is only interested in badmouthing me in public. He obviously can't deliver any proofs, since there are none.

I finally left the negative feedback because the user has publicly spread lies about my person several times in several threads. If this seems to be inappropiate I would like to know from other DT-Members how to deal with such a user.

[RapTarX]

You are accusing bullrun2020 to abuse the merit system? I really doubt it. Although I don't know German language, I know him to be a good poster in global boards. There’s no proof of your accusation as well.
Regarding the tag, I guess it’s not a good practice kf the system. But since feedback isn’t moderated, you have no way but to mutually solve the issue.

[muenze]

Regarding the tag, I guess it’s not a good practice kf the system. But since feedback isn’t moderated, you have no way but to mutually solve the issue.

He has been nothing but hostile ever since i asked why he put https://www.trustpliot.com/review/coinswitch.co first in one of his threads for quick exchanges. There is so many scam accusations against this site, its probably the worst of them all.

I simply asked "why". He deleted my post, got hostile, and now left me fake negative trust.

Such a pleasant experience!

His only trust network trust is not even for a real transaction.

Is Bitcointalk now a site where its allowed and supported to have a lot of fake accounts and give each other
merrit and fake trust?

[jackg]

You are accusing bullrun2020 to abuse the merit system? I really doubt it. Although I don't know German language, I know him to be a good poster in global boards. There’s no proof of your accusation as well.
Regarding the tag, I guess it’s not a good practice kf the system. But since feedback isn’t moderated, you have no way but to mutually solve the issue.

Yeah d5000, 1miau and bob123 seem like different people enough imo.

I think this has been brought up before as the German board isn't so active so a lot of recent posts and recent topics get pushed to the top so threads don't get swamped very much.

[Oshosondy]

bullrun2020bro is a good poster, but there could be bias in sharing of merit in the local boards not only Graman boards, but as bias it may be, they still give it to posts that worth the merits. There is a board, I think German also, that they do give merit to almost all their topics, but that does not mean if the topics is quality and deserve merits. The non local board merit of a thing can be hard, theymos even like to give local boards merit source, it has reasons, but giving it to good posts is what is required. And as I know about bullrun2020bro, he is a good poster. Just  settle this between yourselves so that he can remove the negative trust from your account.

[muenze]

Yeah d5000, 1miau and bob123 seem like different people enough imo.

I think this has been brought up before as the German board isn't so active so a lot of recent posts and recent topics get pushed to the top so threads don't get swamped very much.

I dont accuse 1meow of anything but he is a merrit source and he has exchanged trust (despite no transaction), bumps for sig threads (to ask for sig sponsor), and merrit extensively with that guy.

but giving it to good posts is what is required.

bullrun2020bro has asked for Merrit for basically all of his posts in the thread and has gotten as much as 50 posts merrited in one day for generic posts, one liners.

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[Oshosondy]

I dont accuse 1meow of anything but he is a merrit source and he has exchanged trust (despite no transaction), bumps for sig threads (to ask for sig sponsor), and merrit extensively with that guy.

This is not an excuss, does 1meow merit bullrun2020bro post that did not deserve merit? If so, you can just lists out the such posts as an evidence and bring it up here.

But know that merit can be bias in the local boardz but if the posts are not worth it, report them.

[muenze]

The user @muenze is constantly spreading lies and false statements about me.

He has accused me of receiving commissions from exchanges

You are not posting truthfully just like your fake trust rating.

I asked you why you were so hostile in defending ONE exchange that is known as being a scam exchange. You still have not answered it.

[suchmoon]

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The trust rating that you received seems to fall short of the "high risk in trading" criteria. You would probably have more success arguing that instead of accusing everyone of something you can't prove.

[RapTarX]

I dont accuse 1meow of anything but he is a merrit source and he has exchanged trust (despite no transaction), bumps for sig threads (to ask for sig sponsor), and merrit extensively with that guy.

If you have enough proof like insider information, bring it here. Otherwise, you have no way to proof that they are abusing merit. In my eyes, they are meriting posts which seems good while it’s different to you. Simply posting this wouldn’t do any favor to you, not your case.

[muenze]

I dont accuse 1meow of anything but he is a merrit source and he has exchanged trust (despite no transaction), bumps for sig threads (to ask for sig sponsor), and merrit extensively with that guy.

This is not an excuss, does 1meow merit bullrun2020bro post that did not deserve merit? If so, you can just lists out the such posts as an evidence and bring it up here.

But know that merit can be bias in the local boardz but if the posts are not worth it, report them.

Well, see the insane merrits he has received on December 17, 2020 by qwk for more or less generic posts

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=2744352

Older merrits are not displayed for me anymore, since it only shows 120 days.

[Rikafip]

I finally left the negative feedback because the user has publicly spread lies about my person several times in several threads. If this seems to be inappropiate I would like to know from other DT-Members how to deal with such a user.

Imho it's not the best way to use negative feedback as some sort of retaliation. If I am you, I would just leave him neutral feedback, put him on my distrust list and forget about him. No point even arguing much with him as he provided zero proof for his claims, just an empty talk.

Well, see the insane merrits he has received on December 17, 2020 by qwk for more or less generic posts

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=2744352

People are free to share the merit as they please as long as they are not selling them or sending to alt accounts  and you provided absolutely no proof of either.

[Lafu]

So i guess this is only because it looks like the OP dosnt receive or havnt received much Merits in the past.
Some Users making a big effort for there posts and postings so thats why they get some Merits when the Threads and posts are good.
About the selfmoderated thread and your deleted message , thats why a selfmoderated thread for to keep it clean .
Also you should be expecting some Feedback maybe if you accusing somebody for something thats not right and where is no proof for.

You should be improve your posts and its possible that you get some merits also.

[Pmalek]

Well, see the insane merrits he has received on December 17, 2020 by qwk for more or less generic posts

qwk is a merit source in the German local board. He runs a thread in which members of the German local can submit the posts they feel deserve merits. The link to that thread is this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5044331.0

The rules are very simple:
Each member of the local board (except legendary members) can submit merit-worthy posts once per month. They post the links and the number of merits they feel their posts deserve. qwk then checks the submitted posts, and rewards merits according to his subjective opinion. That can be more, but it can also be less than what the individual members think. 

He doesn't send those merits every day, and usually does it a few times per month. That's why you see a long list of merits awarded to bullrun2020bro on December 17. But not only to him, but several other users such as SiNeReiNZzz, Koal-84, seek3r, Soonandwaite, etc.

You can check qwk's merit history here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=24140. Check and you will see that each given merit points to a post that was posted by that user in qwk' merit thread.       

[tyKiwanuka]

OP recently became active again in bitcointalk after a 2+ year break and is doing good and helpful posts imo. But looks like he wasn't aware of merit/ranks/signatures until two days ago, because he was asking in the german bounty thread (showing interest in joining a campaign):

Wie komm ich denn auf Sr. Member?

Translated:

How do I get to Sr. Member ?

Not sure what happened afterwards and made him so mad, but it started with this rant and goes on in here now picking on bullrun. While I personally think bullrun shouldn't ask for merit in qwk's thread no more - because once you have 1000 of them, there is no point in having more - it's not against the rules qwk set and is free to set, i.e. all non-Legendaries are allowed there to ask for getting their posts merited. (qwk is doing it that way btw, because he doesn't have enough time to read "all" the posts in german local and he is main merit source there)

You seem to be a bit butthurt @muenze for whatever reason, but you can't expect to have tons of merits after being away for so long, while bullrun was/is investing a lot of time and effort for over a year now. It's actually not necessarily always about the sheer quality of posts, but also if you are liked and respected by your fellow forumites etc. When you like a user in general, you are more likely to give them merit as well and vice versa. This is just normal human behaviour and nothing to dwell on, it will never be 100% fair - not in life and not with the merits. You will get there sooner or later, just keep going

[1miau]

Got to high merit with a new account fast.

That's usually what happens when someone writes good posts. I don't see anything strange here.

In case you find someone getting shitposts merited frequently or you find someone meriting shitposts frequently, present your evidence here.

Yeah d5000, 1miau and bob123 seem like different people enough imo.

I think this has been brought up before as the German board isn't so active so a lot of recent posts and recent topics get pushed to the top so threads don't get swamped very much.

I dont accuse 1meow of anything but he is a merrit source and he has exchanged trust (despite no transaction), bumps for sig threads (to ask for sig sponsor), and merrit extensively with that guy.

Do we see different ratings obviously?

bumps for sig threads (to ask for sig sponsor),  

BumpS?
I'm not allowed to post in there once without being accused of bumping "sig threads"?  

and merrit extensively with that guy.

Which posts from bullrun2020bro do you think are over-merited by me?  


In addition, it's sad to see, that you have earned yourself a negative trust. I'm sure you can get rid of it, if you keep posting good content like here about Pangolin from AVA Labs, instead of accusations without proof.  

I recommend to calm down and sort it out peacefully.

[muenze]

Well, I thank everyone who at least partly took my side.

Fuck you to the scum who only took one side and think fake negative
trust ratings are okay.

Also everyone is free to look at who started the accusing, maybe I could have
reacted better but defending yourself should be allowed. I will end it now.

When my account some day shows 500 merit and the rating is removed I may come back.

Your choice

He has not made one post that brought bitcoin forward and you only take
his side and defend him because you profit from the incest merit system too.

Thats not how bitcoin or even bitcoin talk was meant to be.

Had a great time here and hope I helped bring bitcoin forward
and am glad I was part of this for a little time at least, and help people
find good new projects and teams and make people aware of the dead horse
that is eth. Shoot it already and make room for the new!

Next time i invent something i will make sure it involves free
communication too and there can never be facebook-like-merits.

Now I hope I can find a new nice community where the posts matter nothing
else. But dont worry.

I know I will be fine either way, and I hope you will be too.

[DireWolfM14]

I know I will be fine either way, and I hope you will be too.

Likewise.  But, don't go running off just because you got a red-tag.  Realistically it hardly says anything about you.  It's just ranting about your accusations, which themselves seem rather petty and desperate.

No one here is perfect, but most of the time time a little civility goes a long way.  Take the initiative to end this in a civil manner.  Start by sending bullrun2020bro a pm, and stop the public dispute.

[Lafu]

He has not made one post that brought bitcoin forward and you only take

Post some of your posts that made this !
Or show us who made a post here and Bitcoin price explowed from this post !

This Forum is not to boost Bitcoin , its about to share Information and talking about Crypto and all related stuff.

Thats not how bitcoin or even bitcoin talk was meant to be.

So tell and let us know all for what Bitcoin and Bitcointalk was meant for !
I guess i am not the only one to hear your opinion on that and show us your knowledge.

Now I hope I can find a new nice community where the posts matter nothing
else. But dont worry.

Every Forum and community has rules , if you not happy with that you have to create your one Forum.

About your negative Feedback i guess it can be solved as 1miau have written , peacefully !