Campaign to exclude Vod from DT. Please join me.

[Waldaniam]

I will try to explain everything shortly. I registered this account back in 2018 and forgot about it. Couple of days ago I started to use it again, and boosted it a little but, by buying paid copper membership. I opened some threads with interesting information, and was merited for that by forum members.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;threads;u=2346317;sa=showPosts

Yesterday I entered my profile and found out that it was red tagged by user VOD for that thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5316570.msg56325293#msg56325293 (It was multi merited) but the negative feedback reference leads to this thread.

 The feedback says: Another idiot passing off casual lies as if they were fact. I have personal experience with these types of idiots and know they are here to destabilize so they can steal and vanish.

Me and another forum members asked vod why did that. He said that I am the alt of a users who accused him of being a pedophile and a child rapist.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=30747;page=untrusted;offset=0

For more details that are not alowed to post here just follow the reference of user kulmena on VOD's trust psge mentioned above or view the referense of sent feedbacks here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2656586

 I received merits from one of that user, and because of that VOD is now thinking, that I am the alt of him and all other guys, who left him very uncomfortable feedbacks, and who merited my posts. In that case I must be the alt of at least of 10 profiles. He hates user OG and when he found out that someone was on his side regarding that conflict he made him DT2 immediately, by adding him to his trust list. That user was tagged by Lauda and another DT members. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1170966  I offered VOD to check my IP via admins and if the registration IP will match with someone else, I will leave this forum forever. That offer was refused too.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5316934.msg56340664#msg56340664

Also there are accusations that VOD is running a ponzi scheme.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5314441.msg56269843#msg56269843

He is now attacking Theymos and accusing him of being a partner of OG in a ponzi scheme. (That is an obvious lie)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5316570.msg56332507#msg56332507

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5314441.msg56334759#msg56334759

He has a very bad habit of deleting his own posts, but this time if he will try I have the screenshots saved.

Actually I do not care if VOD was really involved in that unbelievable and dirty actions because it is not my business. I am just trying to stop him, because he is leaving negative feedbacks without any evidence (Check my posts) Also he is tagging profiles for sending merits. Regarding that I found the quote of Theymos.

If a DT member tags you for something stupid involving merit (ie. probably anything less than selling merit), then they're not going to be a DT member for much longer.

Also VOD is on Theymos distrust list.

https://loyce.club/trust/2021-02-13_Sat_04.07h/30747.html

So let's join Theymos and add VOD to our distrust list. Select Trust then Trust settings and add ~VOD.

Thank you and sorry for my English. I am Russian.

[DireWolfM14]

Vod is one of the most active members on the forum, has done amazing work to find and expose scammers, is considered one of the most honest and reputable members here.  He also has the support of some of the most honest and reputable members here.

Is he prone to mistakes?  Obviously, we all are.  We're all human.

Is this situation one of those mistakes?  In my opinion, yes.  I don't know why he left you that feedback, and I don't agree with it.

Am I going to exclude Vod from my trust list over this indiscretion?  Fuck no!

If it's between the blemish on your account and the vast amount of work Vod has done to protect this forum, I'll leave it to you to guess which way a logical person would choose.

Yesterday I entered my profile and found out that it was red tagged by user VOD for that thread

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5316570.msg56325293#msg56325293 (It was multi merited) but the negative feedback reference leads to this thread.

Actually, it's this post that Vod points to as a reference, not the original post at the top or the thread itself.

Me and another forum members asked vod why did that. He said that I am the alt of a users who accused him of being a pedophile and a child rapist.  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=30747;page=untrusted;offset=0

Interesting construction of the link above.  You seem like a very experienced SMF user.

Also there are accusations that VOD is running a ponzi scheme.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5314441.msg56269843#msg56269843

Butthurt causes people to grasp at straws.  A lot like this thread.

By the way did you take my advice that I left in the other thread:

The first thing I would recommend to you is to not use the feedback system for retaliation.  That will only hurt your chances of working this out with Vod.  Second, send Vod a PM and ask him for the specific reasons behind his feedback.  If it is a mistake, he'll remove it.  He's been very reasonable and accommodating in similar past situations.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Is this situation one of those mistakes?  In my opinion, yes.  I don't know why he left you that feedback, and I don't agree with it.

Am I going to exclude Vod from my trust list over this indiscretion?  Fuck no!

That about sums up my feelings on the matter as well.  Vod has not been the same in the last year, and I don't know if it's because of the stroke or COVID or what, but the feedback he left for OP doesn't seem like a feedback he would have given out in earlier times.  I honestly don't see the reason why he left it, and I've looked at the reference link.

I also suggested OP remove his retaliatory feedback in the other thread, and I'd again ask that he do it here.  I fully understand his frustration with this, but any negotiation with Vod about that neg is dead in the water as long as that counter-neg is in place.  Take the high road, OP--and I do wish you luck in this matter.

[Vod]

He said that I am the alt of a users who accused him of being a pedophile and a child rapist.  

My trust says you lie, like that.  :/

Actually I do not care if VOD was really involved in that unbelievable and dirty actions because it is not my business.

OG:  Vod rapes children
Waldaniam:  I don't have children - who cares?

[OgNasty]

Vod has not been the same in the last year, and I don't know if it's because of the stroke or COVID or what, but the feedback he left for OP doesn't seem like a feedback he would have given out in earlier times.  I honestly don't see the reason why he left it, and I've looked at the reference link.

Vod has lost his mind.  There is no way any sane person can excuse his behavior.  The only reason he's still in DT at all is because he attacks honest people and the slime currently polluting DT thinks as long as they keep his anger pointed at others it will benefit them.  Now that there are more corrupt than honest users in DT, it will take a lot more of this realization that Vod is a lunatic by those who support him in order to begin making any restoration of the trust network towards having any shred of honesty or decency.  Otherwise, we can watch as this bubble brings the least amount of activity to this forum of any previous, while one project after another continues to disappear or never be built so that Vod can try fruitlessly to sell shares of his scam to unsuspecting users tricked by the DT network into believing he isn't a scammer.  Granted the problem is bigger than just Vod.  I actually think LoyceV and suchmoon are the biggest offenders of this issue, but then again, I've just been here for nearly a decade and done a few hundred million dollars in trades here, while suchmoon gives out merit to his buddies and LoyceV can use tables, so what do I know?

[eddie13]

I guess this answers a few of your questions in your other thread doesn’t it?

Can you get a red tag for basically anything? Yup.. You sure can

Politics..

I kept my nose down for a long long time when I first came to this forum.. Trying not to make a little mistake and to learn the system.. How to survive around here.. Even through the changes..

These days I’m really starting to care much less about trying to play the middle ground or trying to keep from making enemies..
My most worthy debate opponent seems to have retired now, where I have been put into the same position you are now..

Just do what you think is right, but be willing to admit when you are wrong..
You’ll be ok..

A red tag from Vod isn’t the end of the world like it used to be.. And that’s about all I’m willing to say about that anymore..

[suchmoon]

That trust rating doesn't explain how the OP is a "high risk in trade" in a way that a reasonable person could understand so it should be either removed or revised with clear proof.

I actually think LoyceV and suchmoon are the biggest offenders of this issue, but then again, I've just been here for nearly a decade and done a few hundred million dollars in trades here, while suchmoon gives out merit to his buddies and LoyceV can use tables, so what do I know?

You've "done a few hundred million dollars in trades" the same way I've mined "a hundred million dollars" - if you count all bitcoins that went through your hands at $50k a pop.

This kind of dishonest cringy posturing is what makes you what you are - a blabbering fool trying to hold on to his imaginary forum trinkets by lying about other people. The funny part is that if you weren't such a narcissist and admitted one or two "mistakes" like Quicksy did you'd be a hero again but you won't.

[johhnyUA]

Is Ognasty is going to merit any shit on Vod? Despite the fact that this one is pure shit. For example this one:

For more details that are not alowed to post here just follow the reference of user kulmena on VOD's trust psge mentioned above or view the referense of sent feedbacks here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2656586

This is just a pure shit, Vod don't have such feedbacks sent. OG discredits himself meriting such nonsense.

Thank you and sorry for my English. I am Russian.

Oh, korner, hello.

That trust rating doesn't explain how the OP is a "high risk in trade" in a way that a reasonable person could understand so it should be either removed or revised with clear proof.

I think this is another one from korner's endless horde. Neg feedback for him is always appropriate.

[Vod]

This is just a pure shit, Vod don't have such feedbacks sent. OG discredits himself meriting such nonsense.

If OG claims DT is full of scammers, why is he trying to get me removed so bad?  
(Things that make you go hmmmmmmm)

That trust rating doesn't explain how the OP is a "high risk in trade" in a way that a reasonable person could understand so it should be either removed or revised with clear proof.

A person who lies to gain sympathy/respect from the older wealthier scammers is not high risk of a trade?  What is more high risk than dealing with a ponzi/SEC scammer?

[actmyname]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=30747;page=untrusted;offset=0

Interesting construction of the link above.  You seem like a very experienced SMF user.

Not really. The most likely way to reach the page is to hit "Next" on the paginated untrusted feedback section and then check the URL or hit "Previous" at the bottom of the second page.I'd like a better reference and justification for the tag, though.

A red tag from Vod isn’t the end of the world like it used to be.. And that’s about all I’m willing to say about that anymore..

People still act as if DefaultTrust feedback has not been diluted multiple magnitudes from its original standard back when the list was manually-chosen by theymos.

[suchmoon]

A person who lies to gain sympathy/respect from the older wealthier scammers is not high risk of a trade?  What is more high risk than dealing with a ponzi/SEC scammer?

Not sure what that means. Do you think the OP is Og's alt? Very unlikely. Or should anyone who has ever dealt with OgNasty and/or exchanged merits with him get red trust?

I think this is another one from korner's endless horde. Neg feedback for him is always appropriate.

Even if so, the trust rating doesn't say that. But I would agree that this pivot to self-mod troll threads does seem a lot like korner.

[LoyceV]

I actually think LoyceV and suchmoon are the biggest offenders of this issue

Cute, there you go again. Why can't you just leave me out of your drama? You've been trying to smear my reputation since I didn't pick your side in your feud with Vod, and of course since I called you out on your tacky behaviour.
Then there is the case of your PM-threat with fake negative feedback because you felt insulted, and your retaliatory Trust exclusion.

Sorry for the off-topic, but since this isn't the first time OgNasty drags me into his feud with Vod by off-topic attacks on my reputation, I feel like I had to respond. Further reading: here and here.

Is this situation one of those mistakes?  In my opinion, yes.  I don't know why he left you that feedback, and I don't agree with it.

I saw the tag earlier already, and couldn't figure out the reason after checking the Reference link. I don't consider this correct use of the Trust system.

[scammed-by-nitro]

Vod is spamming this forum on a daily basis.

He gives neg trust like its no big deal.
He has countless nag trust himself and even flags against him in the past and he is still allowed to spam here, why?

Everybody give this clown a neg feedback as well so he is learning.

I hate this guy and this thread has my full support!!

[Vod]

I actually think LoyceV and suchmoon are the biggest offenders of this issue

Cute, there you go again. Why can't you just leave me out of your drama? You've been trying to smear my reputation since I didn't pick your side in your feud with Vod, and of course since I called you out on your tacky behaviour.
Then there is the case of your PM-threat with fake negative feedback because you felt insulted, and your retaliatory Trust exclusion.

Sorry for the off-topic, but since this isn't the first time OgNasty drags me into his feud with Vod by off-topic attacks on my reputation, I feel like I had to respond. Further reading: here and here.

I created BPIP - Suchmoon develops it and you contribute to it.  Scammers hate raw data, and every person that uses that site or the awesome extension can immediately see his intentions. 

To everyone that has said this is not appropriate trust, I am not ignoring you.  I have updated my thread here.

[Waldaniam]

Is this situation one of those mistakes?  In my opinion, yes.  I don't know why he left you that feedback, and I don't agree with it.

I honestly don't see the reason why he left it, and I've looked at the reference link.

That trust rating doesn't explain how the OP is a "high risk in trade" in a way that a reasonable person could understand so it should be either removed or revised with clear proof.

I'd like a better reference and justification for the tag, though.

I saw the tag earlier already, and couldn't figure out the reason after checking the Reference link. I don't consider this correct use of the Trust system.

Thank you very much for your support. I sent all sendible merits that I had to all of you. Also I removed my negative feedback from VOD's profile. I guess there is no way to convince him that his feedback must be removed as well. Someone please merit OG on my behalf because I am out of merits.

Oh, korner, hello.

I have been accused of being the alt of at least 10 persons. Now someone called korner was added to that list. I already asked admins to check my registration IP and if it will match with scammers accounts, I will post an official excuse and leave this forum forever.

[suchmoon]

I have been accused of being the alt of at least 10 persons. Now someone called korner was added to that list. I already asked admins to check my registration IP and if it will match with scammers accounts, I will post an official excuse and leave this forum forever.

It's ok. We have tools now to figure out when you start deleting posts in this thread so you'll be red-tagged up the wazoo if it turns out that you lied.

Admins will not get involved and you know that, so the only reason I can think of to keep repeating that is deflection.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I sent all sendible merits that I had to all of you. Also I removed my negative feedback from VOD's profile. I guess there is no way to convince him that his feedback must be removed as well. Someone please merit OG on my behalf because I am out of merits.

You didn't have to send any merits to anyone based on whether they support your case (or at least question the evidence).  Save them for posts that are helpful to you and that you think are well written, not as a reward for support.

It's good you took the high road and removed the counter negative.  But regardless of what Vod does or doesn't do, your account isn't ruined--not even if you intend to trade on the forum.  People can see past a negative like the one Vod left you since it doesn't reflect on your trade-trustworthiness. 

I don't believe in counter-positive feedbacks, but I know other DT members don't feel the same way.  Maybe one of them might take pity on your case and counter Vod's negative.  Good luck in any case.

[Laudanum]

I actually think LoyceV and suchmoon are the biggest offenders of this issue

Cute, there you go again. Why can't you just leave me out of your drama? You've been trying to smear my reputation since I didn't pick your side in your feut with Vod, and of course since I called you out on your tacky behaviour.
Then there is the case of your PM-threat with fake negative feedback because you felt insulted, and your retaliatory Trust exclusion.

Sorry for the off-topic, but since this isn't the first time OgNasty drags me into his feut with Vod by off-topic attacks on my reputation, I feel like I had to respond. Further reading: here and here.

Is this situation one of those mistakes?  In my opinion, yes.  I don't know why he left you that feedback, and I don't agree with it.

I saw the tag earlier already, and couldn't figure out the reason after checking the Reference link. I don't consider this correct use of the Trust system.

You don't have a reputation. You're a no coiner non achieving nobody.
The forum would be no different had you never joined.

Actually it would be free of another deliberate scammer protector and shit poster who is milking the forum dry sig spamming for the highest rates you can get.

Vod should be removed because he has trust abused members accounts on numerous occasions and even admitted he is to much of a coward to act against scammers on DT because they may tag him back lol
Having admitted 10% brain death I dont think he is a reliable or credible default trust member.

It is probably the only thing theymos has done correcty since breaking the forum with his experimental control systems.
That is distrusting Vod.

[Vod]

It is probably the most damming thing theymos has done to himself since breaking the forum with his experimental control systems.
That is distrusting Vod.

Oh fuck off OG - we already understand Theymos knew about the ponzi, SEC scams and theft.  He continues to pay you - so why are rocking the boat so much?

[actmyname]

I don't believe in counter-positive feedbacks, but I know other DT members don't feel the same way.  Maybe one of them might take pity on your case and counter Vod's negative.  Good luck in any case.

As far as I'm concerned, both positives and negatives have waned in their effect: if someone trading with me is unwilling to actually go into the details of the trust ratings (incl. negatives) then that's not the kind of person that I would probably like to transact with. Where's the due diligence in "don't trust, verify" when it comes to the trust system? After all, for example, only 8 of my positive feedback ratings (unique users) pertain to actual trades.

People who merely look at the numbers on your profile are most likely the same people that mainly look at the titles when they are constructing their reply to threads.I would have used counters in the past but nowadays they are simply pointless.