Decentralised Government - DEGOV

[voyager23]

OK well writing anything like Etherium or Bitcoin is way out of my league so this one is on the table. Please remember me when you launch and grant me 10 million tokens.

The trend here seems to be Decentralisation. This is the whole movement here. So would it be possible to decentralise government. Two key events led me to this idea.

1. Reading Texas mayor Tim Boyd's comments on his constituents:

“No one owes you or your family anything; nor is it the local governments responsibility to support you during trying times like this! Sink or swim, it’s your choice!” he wrote. The town, with a population of about 4,000, is located in Mitchell County, where many were left without power as record-setting cold weather batters much of the state. In a subsequent post, Boyd apologised, writing, “I was only making the statement that those folks that are too lazy to get up and fend for themselves but are capable should not be dealt a handout.”


2. Listening to a Russell Brand talk on building better societies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aN7UCUDzXGA


Is DEGOV a possibility?

Let me know if anyone is building this.

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[franky1]

alot would have to change
although there are very few 'dictatorship' governments left(north korea/UAE)
where by democracy is a representative quasi-decentralisation. EG 100 senators(US) / 650 MP's(uk)
the democracies are still centralised by having 2 fighting philosophies where the supposed decentralised representatives listen more to the group philosophy than to the citizens they represent.

making a ICO of a new coin that promotes more decentralised government wont get far. because your not the government to implement it. so it wont get implemented

many ico have been made. but dont get anywhere.
many ICO have done transaction formats that set a transaction where the fee is 10% of the amount moved. where by that 10% can be set to different 'projects'

EG alice 1c->bob 0.9c
               ->developers 0.03c
               ->miners 0.03c
               ->charity 0.04c

where by the future goal was to expand/replace the 3 network infrastructure tax projects for 10 governmental infrastructure

like
EG alice 1c->bob 0.9c
                ->military 0.008c
                ->police 0.022c
                ->justice 0.017c
                ->fire/rescue 0.008c
                ->road maintenance 0.008c
                ->social security 0.001c
                ->public water 0.003c
                ->public electric 0.005c
                ->public transport 0.001c
                ->healthcare 0.027c

where by the citizens are more in control of which direction the government departments prioritise for their policies
this idea was revised to have a minimum budget per department like 0.08% per department(0.8% total) to allow a 0.2% to be citizen allocated as excess funding for their favourites.

but even this didnt play well for those scrutinising the dynamics and running scenarios of effectiveness

so even if you can find a decentralised and fair way to fund social problems without needing a leader/central point. you are still going to run into the biggest issues of getting a government to adopt it

[BADecker]

Decentralised Government - DEGOV


It would be easy. Simply make it lawful that only people could access the banking system and money... and ...that artificial entities - including government and corporations - could not.

[franky1]

Decentralised Government - DEGOV


It would be easy. Simply make it lawful that only people could access the banking system and money... and ...that artificial entities - including government and corporations - could not.

government own the courts. they set up the policies and procedures of court.
citizens cant just make their own laws or declare a new territory/jurisdiction that follows some other policy/law

seriously stop sniffing the freeman glue. its not how the real world works

[BADecker]

Decentralised Government - DEGOV


It would be easy. Simply make it lawful that only people could access the banking system and money... and ...that artificial entities - including government and corporations - could not.

government own the courts. they set up the policies and procedures of court.
citizens cant just make their own laws or declare a new territory/jurisdiction that follows some other policy/law

seriously stop sniffing the freeman glue. its not how the real world works

Actually, government doesn't own the courts. The courts are public. Citizens can use them. But citizens aren't effective until they stand as a man/woman, unrepresented, rather than as a citizen.

[franky1]

Decentralised Government - DEGOV


It would be easy. Simply make it lawful that only people could access the banking system and money... and ...that artificial entities - including government and corporations - could not.

government own the courts. they set up the policies and procedures of court.
citizens cant just make their own laws or declare a new territory/jurisdiction that follows some other policy/law

seriously stop sniffing the freeman glue. its not how the real world works

Actually, government doesn't own the courts. The courts are public. Citizens can use them. But citizens aren't effective until they stand as a man/woman, unrepresented, rather than as a citizen.

member of the public. is just like saying member of a gym
a gym member does not own the gym. its just a member

public transport does not mean citizens own the train. they are just part of a membership allowed to use the train.

you dont own the train. you dont own the gym. you dont own the court.

edit (to answer below)
its government court. just look how its funded. look at the laws that it follows and who created them. look at the court process policies and who created them (DoJ).
the courts are set up and managed by government department and only allow member to use them. yes people are members of the public. not court owners
you can go to the gym and suggest upgrades the gym should make. but they dont have to listen.
yes some suggestions might seem as a business benefit to the gym so they give it a try. but that does not mean gym members get to call the shots

[BADecker]

Decentralised Government - DEGOV


It would be easy. Simply make it lawful that only people could access the banking system and money... and ...that artificial entities - including government and corporations - could not.

government own the courts. they set up the policies and procedures of court.
citizens cant just make their own laws or declare a new territory/jurisdiction that follows some other policy/law

seriously stop sniffing the freeman glue. its not how the real world works

Actually, government doesn't own the courts. The courts are public. Citizens can use them. But citizens aren't effective until they stand as a man/woman, unrepresented, rather than as a citizen.

member of the public. is just like saying member of a gym
a gym member does not own the gym. its just a member

public transport does not mean citizens own the train. they are just part of a membership allowed to use the train.

you dont own the train. you dont own the gym. you dont own the court

You're getting the point. The courts are there for all to use, not only government, and not at their whim to unjustly act against men and women.

[Pancho95]

Probably. It has already happened with culture as it have become global. What is in trending in USA it is also in trending in EU, China, Asia. The differences in culture are smaller and smaller. In some point in the future it will be possible to talk about decentralized government.

[voyager23]

Voting is definitely something that can benefit from blockchain technology surly??

Unless the lying politicians wouldn't want this very important counting act to be done by very smart and truthful algorithms?

@franky1 love your breakdown about how money could be allocated, and surly if this was implemented it would be so much more beneficial for society. No 'hands in the bag' or 'dirty dealings'?!

I'm telling you now if a project comes out that promises to solve and implement this, sell your house and put it all in!

[PrimeNumber7]

Is DEGOV a possibility?

No, it is not possible. At least not over the long term. Extremely weak governments such as what you describe will ultimately get overrun by stronger governments looking to expand. Look at what happened to the Indians in the early days of the United States.

[Bitcoins101]

Is DEGOV a possibility?

No, it is not possible. At least not over the long term. Extremely weak governments such as what you describe will ultimately get overrun by stronger governments looking to expand. Look at what happened to the Indians in the early days of the United States.

Native Americans were centuries behind in technology and were outmatched by the settlers. The people absolutely would fight back against an attack. We don't need an organized military to do that, we just need some Americans that aren't braindead and still care about their freedom.

[PrimeNumber7]

Is DEGOV a possibility?

No, it is not possible. At least not over the long term. Extremely weak governments such as what you describe will ultimately get overrun by stronger governments looking to expand. Look at what happened to the Indians in the early days of the United States.

Native Americans were centuries behind in technology and were outmatched by the settlers. The people absolutely would fight back against an attack. We don't need an organized military to do that, we just need some Americans that aren't braindead and still care about their freedom.

Decentralized governments will ultimately have a weaker military and will be less able to fend off attacks from stronger governments with a strong military. Decentralized governments also will not be able to spend as much to develop the 'latest and greatest' in terms of military equipment, so it would quickly become outmatched.

[Mauser]

Is DEGOV a possibility?

No, it is not possible. At least not over the long term. Extremely weak governments such as what you describe will ultimately get overrun by stronger governments looking to expand. Look at what happened to the Indians in the early days of the United States.

Native Americans were centuries behind in technology and were outmatched by the settlers. The people absolutely would fight back against an attack. We don't need an organized military to do that, we just need some Americans that aren't braindead and still care about their freedom.

Decentralized governments will ultimately have a weaker military and will be less able to fend off attacks from stronger governments with a strong military. Decentralized governments also will not be able to spend as much to develop the 'latest and greatest' in terms of military equipment, so it would quickly become outmatched.

Unfortunately that is true, the only way around this issue would be if all the decentralised countries would work together. If all the countries are in the same faction and have defense alliances in place than the military aspect wouldn't be so important anymore. Eventually humans should evolve out of then need for war and start resolving our conflicts in a civilized way.

[voyager23]

Is DEGOV a possibility?

No, it is not possible. At least not over the long term. Extremely weak governments such as what you describe will ultimately get overrun by stronger governments looking to expand. Look at what happened to the Indians in the early days of the United States.

Native Americans were centuries behind in technology and were outmatched by the settlers. The people absolutely would fight back against an attack. We don't need an organized military to do that, we just need some Americans that aren't braindead and still care about their freedom.

Decentralized governments will ultimately have a weaker military and will be less able to fend off attacks from stronger governments with a strong military. Decentralized governments also will not be able to spend as much to develop the 'latest and greatest' in terms of military equipment, so it would quickly become outmatched.

Unfortunately that is true, the only way around this issue would be if all the decentralised countries would work together. If all the countries are in the same faction and have defense alliances in place than the military aspect wouldn't be so important anymore. Eventually humans should evolve out of then need for war and start resolving our conflicts in a civilized way.

OK this is getting deep now. The purpose of any government is to deal with all of the admin side to society. Their roles are just glorified admin roles.. Their purpose is to work quietly in the background, nothing else. But what has happened is they are the naughty cashiers who started to take 50p when no one was looking, then they pumped their steals to £1... now they are just outright taking the piss.... If not all aspects, then some aspects need serious consideration in regards to decentralising, such as voting for one... As well as where your taxes go (take Texas for example, gas pipes not maintained over the years, they opted out of updating the gas pipes with winter insulation to most likely syphon off millions in off-shore accounts - to the tune of hundreds dying of no heating or water - in America in 2021?!)

[Vatimins]

     Would be really nice to witness such a government, too bad it is highly unlikely to happen. Just thinking about how crazy people on top are with authority and control, it just doesn't make sense for them to allow such a big nuisance for them to happen. Not in a hundred years or more. I'm not being negative, it's just that I am being truthful and leaned more to most factual possibilities out there. But really though, I am all for this happening.