Do you take team's cohesion into account when betting?

[Janation]

I don't account for cohesion when I bet.

I am not saying that it doesn't matter but nowadays, if there is a better player in ones teams and the other team doesn't have that kind of player or have not much better performance if their last games I would bet on the team with better players.

[Fundamentals Of]

Statistics matter. And that's the most important thing to consider. Whatever reason why the stats are like that may or may not be beyond our knowledge. It could be that the players of a certain team are good players. It could also be that even if they are not the best of players they have a certain level of cohesion with each other so that everybody is so comfortable playing with their teammates. It could be that everyone is so consistent in their play executions that they can defeat even those teams with better players but could also turn out unlucky sometimes.

[iamsheikhadil]

Most games are dependent on team work, but frankly speaking, it's more important to have good players in a team than to have a team of weak players with good unity. A strong player not knows how to manage his team, but also gives other players a confidence and kind if security which can serve good for weak players. But a team of weak players might have good unity, but it's like crab, if one tries to score and play very well, the other will try to pull him down!

[Botnake]

All I know in sports are bad teams and good teams only, if a certain team keep losing, then they are a bad team and the opposite is the good team. If only we know or have access on the scene inside, that would be so helpful in analyzing the game, unfortunately it's not allowed, not even the insiders are allowed to leak some information regarding the team, all are confidential so as a better, our job is to only keep guessing.

[panganib999]

Most games are dependent on team work, but frankly speaking, it's more important to have good players in a team than to have a team of weak players with good unity. A strong player not knows how to manage his team, but also gives other players a confidence and kind if security which can serve good for weak players. But a team of weak players might have good unity, but it's like crab, if one tries to score and play very well, the other will try to pull him down!

A certain team consists of team leader and team members. I agree that team work is one of the best idea or attitude that a team needs in order to have a success. In a saying, Teamwork makes dream works. A strong team is consider a strong team if it is leaded by a strong leader and smart followers. In betting, I experience to have a team betting like you grouped together in order to pitch in some ideas about betting and come up with a better simple and united decision. I think in this set-up we might reached our main or top agenda. And I think we will get our main goal which is to earn and be profitable in gambling.

[michellee]

do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?

I think integrity in a team is a must because each player needs to have responsibility on their team and give the best performance every time they play. When they can have integrity, they will think that they all are in one team which they need to defend to win the game, and no matter what, they need to use all of they have to support all player. Maybe that is happening in real life, and some gamblers use that to select their team, not just because of their performance because that can give them more info about the team's conditions.

[Ucy]

I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?

Guess I will need to assess the teams and see if they really understand their opponents and are playing in a way that shows they know what they are doing

I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game.
After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?

I would encourage/incentivize both (team & individual effort)
Will probably tell the players to always follow plans that are meant to help them work together as team unless they individually find good opportunity they are sure to do well in, like to individually create useful chances  or score goals for their teams. They have to always make  sure the condition is right (the right players are at the proper positions to back them up. ) before using their talents without team effort. Any player who breaks the protocol without doing well individually with his skills/talent may lose some points.

[mu_enrico]

Cohesion matter to a certain extent, but the more important thing is tactical knowledge: what to do in transition attack/defense, what to do if the playmaker getting marked/pressured, etc. As long as there is no obvious trouble maker or getting "John Terried," I don't think cohesion will significantly determine the result. They are professionals, after all.

Moreover, this qualitative thing is difficult to measure. Only coaches have the incentive to study the dynamics. For a mere bettor, research on the quantitative variable or statistics is enough.

[hahay]

Of course considering teamwork or team cohesiveness is something important, because in this era, if a team or gambler who only relies on star players in reality still does not guarantee a team and gamblers win easily. At least this has often happened so it's no wonder, when an underdog team can win because they have a compact squad and of course playing without burden is a factor for them to maintain cohesiveness.

[kryptqnick]

Thanks for your replies! Just to summarize, it seems that most of you think that the team's cohesion is very important, but that it's very hard to assess it. Does it mean that when choosing what to bet on, we lack some essential information required to make this decision?
And I agree that cohesion is not just about football, but any team sport. It's just that football is closer to me and the TV show was about football, so I chose to develop my thoughts in this regard.

[Twentyonepaylots]

Thanks for your replies! Just to summarize, it seems that most of you think that the team's cohesion is very important, but that it's very hard to assess it. Does it mean that when choosing what to bet on, we lack some essential information required to make this decision?
And I agree that cohesion is not just about football, but any team sport. It's just that football is closer to me and the TV show was about football, so I chose to develop my thoughts in this regard.

You may safely say that OP, it's the nature of gambling to not give you the ball anyway, so it's not like it's a big problem for sports bettors like us. It's just of course a big advantage if there ever comes a situation where information like this is plotted and made obvious for the bettors out there too see. At the end of the day, my days of playing percentage games taught me how big 1 percent can be.

[Saint-loup]

This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.

In soccer a player can't remain at his top level during 90 minutes, moreover the field is very large and one single player can't be everywhere, so I think the team is more important than individualities in soccer.

[ralle14]

Does it mean that when choosing what to bet on, we lack some essential information required to make this decision?

Yes, sometimes when teams pick up a new player the cohesion could be instant or takes a while to kick in. On top of that it can be difficult to gauge those cohesion since they could go on beating all the best teams they face then next month the results are completely flipped the other way. Or if a certain team is on the bottom of the leaderboard it's hard to determine their cohesion until they start winning but not all wins are a good indicator.  

[Wexnident]

This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.

In soccer a player can't remain at his top level during 90 minutes, moreover the field is very large and one single player can't be everywhere, so I think the team is more important than individualities in soccer.

Don't most sports place cohesion above, or at least, equal to skill level? Examples of those who don't are probably tennis, though there are doubles there and coordination there seems like it'd be quite a fit. Not saying that as long as you're one with the team even if your bad is that you're in, most teams would have both skilled and coordinated players. There's still a skill gap here and there, but others fill it up by playing with each other, hence why there's always an existence called the "Ace" for most teams.

[qwertyup23]

I think it is definitely a factor to consider especially when you take in consideration any team sports, in general. However, it all boils down to your favorite/loyal team whenever you gamble. There was a study conducted that majority of the players who gamble on team sports bet on their favorite/loyal team despite knowing that the team that they are against are the stronger ones.

This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.

In soccer a player can't remain at his top level during 90 minutes, moreover the field is very large and one single player can't be everywhere, so I think the team is more important than individualities in soccer.

There is a reason on why it is called 'team sports' in the first place. Even if a single player is well-known for his skills, he alone, cannot win the game by itself. Team sports rely on everyone's effort and skill in order to achieve maximum efficiency and output.

In NBA, lots of individually skilled players are distributed across many teams. I remember the 2010-2014 Miami Heat, where the Big Three (LBJ, Wade, and Bosh) won, although they were the most dominant team in the league, they still need to rely on their team (especially Ray Allen) in order to win the playoffs!

[Strongkored]

Does it mean that when choosing what to bet on, we lack some essential information required to make this decision?

It can be said like that, but if that information is mentioned I think the bettor is not only focused on that but other things, for example the favorite team and also the trend that the club is experiencing, this is often my reference in choosing bets in football ( since this a sports I often to bet).

[maydna]

Does it mean that when choosing what to bet on, we lack some essential information required to make this decision?

It can be said like that, but if that information is mentioned I think the bettor is not only focused on that but other things, for example the favorite team and also the trend that the club is experiencing, this is often my reference in choosing bets in football ( since this a sports I often to bet).

An experienced bettor will know what he needs, and if he thinks that he needs more information from which is mentioned, he will know where he can get it because he already has a source he used before. It will not be a problem for him because he can get something that the other bettor doesn't know, so he can bet after analyzing each team.

That bettor will not just select his favorite team before he can collect much information about the match and trying to analyze better to find which team has the potential to win.

[Mauser]

I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game. Here's a poster in case you might've seen it but aren't sure:


After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
Those who bet on football matches and do thorough research often look into injured players and stuff like this, but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?

I do think that cohesion and moral matters a lot in sports. If team mates are in a good mood and work great together everything is possible. Sure a Superstar talent player might be able to turn around a game, but he is just one player. In my opinion it is better if the hole team functions well together. The only problem is that is hard to know the moral of a team. There is no statistical number for this. And since we can't follow the team 24/7 around we will need to use our own interpretations from the news on how good or bad the moral is. Also having the underdog win because of a good chemistry between teammates is what makes great hollywood movies.

[Janation]

I do think that cohesion and moral matters a lot in sports. If team mates are in a good mood and work great together everything is possible. Sure a Superstar talent player might be able to turn around a game, but he is just one player. In my opinion it is better if the hole team functions well together. The only problem is that is hard to know the moral of a team. There is no statistical number for this. And since we can't follow the team 24/7 around we will need to use our own interpretations from the news on how good or bad the moral is. Also having the underdog win because of a good chemistry between teammates is what makes great hollywood movies.

The morale of the team can't be seen that easily in their games.

But it won't be that easy because this player/team is in a professional league. Despite their great performance that they will show in the previous or past games, we can't say that they are having problems with their teammate unless a rumour goes around. They are professional players and they could work around and show their talent despite not having any cohesion.

[kryptqnick]

Janation, but can the performance be good if the team has some internal conflicts? And if cohesion corresponds to performance, does it mean it's enough to just look at recent performance and assume that it's a sign of the team's strong level of cohesion?
Another question I don't see answered yet is this: if one does want to evaluate a team's cohesion, where would one look for such information? Rumors? Watching recent matches? Or perhaps this data is already evaluated by someone somewhere?