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February 20, 2021, 10:46:49 AM
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Janation, but can the performance be good if the team has some internal conflicts? And if cohesion corresponds to performance, does it mean it's enough to just look at recent performance and assume that it's a sign of the team's strong level of cohesion?
Another question I don't see answered yet is this: if one does want to evaluate a team's cohesion, where would one look for such information? Rumors? Watching recent matches? Or perhaps this data is already evaluated by someone somewhere?

That is why I am not looking at it as I said previously.

I based my bets on the past performances of the team. I would not know whether the performance of a team was affected by their internal conflict because, in the first place, it would be hard to know that. As I also said, it is hard to see or analyze a team's cohesion, all we can look at or analyze is the performance they have based on the records they have that game.

What we can hear is just rumors about something but I don't believe those, it is called rumor for a reason.
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February 20, 2021, 11:24:01 AM
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I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game.

This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.

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February 20, 2021, 11:36:47 AM
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I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game.

This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.
Yes, that is just a TV show, but who knows what is happening with the gamblers who bet on the sports and has a favourite team. 
Morale and talent will be necessary that every player should have, and when they have all of that, and with integrity into their team, that can help the team beat the opponent.
Maybe some gamblers use that to help them analyze to find the team that has the potential to win in the next match.
But I am sure every gambler will have their way to analyze the team, and from where they can start, and how they can find the right team.

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February 20, 2021, 02:54:57 PM
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must be a tough job to teach football without knowing it.

but it applies not just to football but also to the most popular sports like basketball. the game has to be played with the team not just by a single player or two when in fact the coach will give the best first five that will coordinate with each other to win the 1st quarter. a team that is not coordinating with each other will not sync and will likely not follow a game plan. if one is injured, he'd be replaced with another best player for the team.



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February 20, 2021, 03:21:05 PM
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Another question I don't see answered yet is this: if one does want to evaluate a team's cohesion, where would one look for such information? Rumors? Watching recent matches? Or perhaps this data is already evaluated by someone somewhere?
For me the best way to look for these cohesion is whenever there's a match that involves a big stake on the line such as the playoffs or major tournament and usually there's going to be an underdog that will have a very good run or a favorite that will improve throughout the tournament. Relying on the team's cohesion isn't always the best thing to do since it could simply dissipate on the next match.

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February 20, 2021, 03:21:41 PM
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Team cohesion is important, having players at highest possible individual limit is very important in addition to technical coaching but having them mix well together is the base as seen in Chelsea 2012 which was an average ' or even below average ' team early and winning Champions League in second half of the season with charismatic yet not-so-experienced Roberto Di Matteo.
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February 20, 2021, 04:01:41 PM
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Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?
it does and it is very important to have it especially for a team. teamwork/cohesion brings out the best of each player in the team and we've seen actual results/champions of what can happen if there is team cohesion. only a moron would say that it doesn't matter. and yes I do take it into consideration when I do sports betting.

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February 20, 2021, 04:18:52 PM
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This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.
In soccer a player can't remain at his top level during 90 minutes, moreover the field is very large and one single player can't be everywhere, so I think the team is more important than individualities in soccer.
There is a reason on why it is called 'team sports' in the first place. Even if a single player is well-known for his skills, he alone, cannot win the game by itself. Team sports rely on everyone's effort and skill in order to achieve maximum efficiency and output.

In NBA, lots of individually skilled players are distributed across many teams. I remember the 2010-2014 Miami Heat, where the Big Three (LBJ, Wade, and Bosh) won, although they were the most dominant team in the league, they still need to rely on their team (especially Ray Allen) in order to win the playoffs!
I agree with you qwertyup23, but I think in basketball a good player can both play in attack and defense because the field is short and there are few players on the field. But in soccer good players can only stay at their position in the game most of the times, so even if a player is good, he will only be able to act on his part.


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February 20, 2021, 04:37:52 PM
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Personally, team cohesiveness should be a matter of consideration because without team cohesion it will be more difficult for the team to make good play when they play others. Without the team cohesiveness it will be possible for the team to enter into garbage play which could made them loose their game. During my betting with the sport team, my emphasis are always lead to team cohesion before betting.

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This not only applies to Football but to all sports that require a team effort, but it's hard to pull up a win if the team does not have strong players within them, each player has a role to play to make the play works, and come out with a win, I'm betting on basketball and I have not seen a champion team without a strong player, great team efforts can deliver a good play but they need good players to implement that play.
In soccer a player can't remain at his top level during 90 minutes, moreover the field is very large and one single player can't be everywhere, so I think the team is more important than individualities in soccer.
There is a reason on why it is called 'team sports' in the first place. Even if a single player is well-known for his skills, he alone, cannot win the game by itself. Team sports rely on everyone's effort and skill in order to achieve maximum efficiency and output.

In NBA, lots of individually skilled players are distributed across many teams. I remember the 2010-2014 Miami Heat, where the Big Three (LBJ, Wade, and Bosh) won, although they were the most dominant team in the league, they still need to rely on their team (especially Ray Allen) in order to win the playoffs!
I agree with you qwertyup23, but I think in basketball a good player can both play in attack and defense because the field is short and there are few players on the field. But in soccer good players can only stay at their position in the game most of the times, so even if a player is good, he will only be able to act on his part.
With that wide area of such game then that will really be exhausting if you are trying to cope up on said possible positions just like on basketball.We are just humans and
we arent that fast and lots of stamina on doing that this is why its really an impossible thing to consider on having that kind of behavior. Team coordination and
effort is really mainly needed on this kind of game and of course that do really matters in winning a particular game but its better that you do have
better players in the field as usual.


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February 20, 2021, 08:14:35 PM
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but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?
These finer details are never public to understand what is going on inside a team and placing a bet with insider information is illegal. When i am placing a bet i always go through their injury list and the players form and recent performance and if you are having insider information of every locker room you can make a fortune and match fixers always look for these information and it is not easy to avail  Grin.


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February 20, 2021, 08:32:39 PM
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but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?
These finer details are never public to understand what is going on inside a team and placing a bet with insider information is illegal. When i am placing a bet i always go through their injury list and the players form and recent performance and if you are having insider information of every locker room you can make a fortune and match fixers always look for these information and it is not easy to avail  Grin.
That's how exactly a correct answer and I think, you nailed it.
In each member of the team, there's a weakness that we should know before making a decision and place a bet. There's possible that their strongest player becomes injured and won't able to play in the next game, so that is a great advantage if you will know, not just because of the fantasy in the TV show.

Speaking of insider information, that is impossible and very rare because it will I guess putting at their team risk when there's someone who will know their weakness.

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February 20, 2021, 08:37:41 PM
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Personally, team cohesiveness should be a matter of consideration because without team cohesion it will be more difficult for the team to make good play when they play others. Without the team cohesiveness it will be possible for the team to enter into garbage play which could made them loose their game. During my betting with the sport team, my emphasis are always lead to team cohesion before betting.
How would you know that if the team is in good terms of each other? Insider information is not even available in public because that's for sure will make a change of the outcome of the game if the other team would know it. I think it's best to look at their previous matches on how good their teamwork is and who is lacking in responses.

Overall it is still important to know the teams morale is one of the factors of the outcome when betting on your favorite team. Plus added with their performances how well they are to each other or how good their team coordination will show the outcome.

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February 20, 2021, 10:22:12 PM
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This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.

You may be right here but I have seen some underdog teams changing the games after intervals during half time. Don't you think that they were motivated enough that they get great energy out of it and if every single player decides to play for the team instead of looking for their personal benefits, that energy works as a teamforce and makes that underdog team win?


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February 20, 2021, 10:35:42 PM
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I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game.

This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.

I totally agree on this one. The goal of most TV shows is to get the attention of their views, to be able to capture the real-life experience of a football coach without even knowing what it is. How would that be real-life? Let's be real though. That could be their assistant coach that could boost their morale but I don't think it would be a head coach.
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February 20, 2021, 11:09:31 PM
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To be honest I have only one way of betting on football.

The idea is to bet on teams that I like and follow like my national team. I know when they're doing good or bet and I don't bet against them just for them or if I see them doing bad I don't bet at all.

If you follow a certain sport like football and bet a lot in this area you can spend some time researching status of the teams but I don't do it. I have no time and I don't bet on football much.



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February 21, 2021, 12:05:46 AM
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Absolute nonsense. The psychological state is important but it is one of the many factors of physical fitness. Mathematics is of decisive importance - the percentage of accurate actions of the player in each position, the correct placement and interaction of these characteristics. If a coach knows nothing about this and focuses on one factor of fitness, then his team will not be doing well.


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February 21, 2021, 12:13:12 AM
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Absolute nonsense. The psychological state is important but it is one of the many factors of physical fitness. Mathematics is of decisive importance - the percentage of accurate actions of the player in each position, the correct placement and interaction of these characteristics. If a coach knows nothing about this and focuses on one factor of fitness, then his team will not be doing well.

You have a good point.

This is just a show. In reality, it is absolute nonsense for any football team to hire a coach knowing nothing about the sports. And even if in the weird event that a certain coach who has zero knowledge of the sports is tapped as a coach, the players would not be comfortable with it and probably will not function very well in the game. Sooner or later, they would demand for a better coach.


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February 21, 2021, 01:11:49 AM
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cohesion for the game.

Yes it matters alot, the series is likely not completely unrealistic in this aspect.   Whats a bit make believe is the random person is better then a proper coach who has insight and knowledge to the team challenges including fitness.
  I do consider the team factor as a large part of what determines a win and is a hidden factor that cant be included by just adding up names and separate skills each player might have.   What I've read happening is the team coach can call in specialists to help with specific areas and team building/training days is not a new idea to improving performance for any team even business effectiveness.


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February 21, 2021, 01:22:03 AM
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This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.

You may be right here but I have seen some underdog teams changing the games after intervals during half time. Don't you think that they were motivated enough that they get great energy out of it and if every single player decides to play for the team instead of looking for their personal benefits, that energy works as a teamforce and makes that underdog team win?

Sometimes we see their player change during half-time after breaks. The coaches should know how to use the team's power because that is what they need to win or beat the opponent. When every player knows that they are in one team and needs to unify energy to play better than the last, they will realize that it is their team and need to play for the team.

If a gambler knows how to analyze this, he can have a chance to select the better team which matches in that game. It is not just how we can analyze the team, the players, but we can also look at the other things that can be as additional information to us to select the right team.
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