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February 21, 2021, 02:10:31 AM
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This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.

You may be right here but I have seen some underdog teams changing the games after intervals during half time. Don't you think that they were motivated enough that they get great energy out of it and if every single player decides to play for the team instead of looking for their personal benefits, that energy works as a teamforce and makes that underdog team win?

Sometimes we see their player change during half-time after breaks. The coaches should know how to use the team's power because that is what they need to win or beat the opponent. When every player knows that they are in one team and needs to unify energy to play better than the last, they will realize that it is their team and need to play for the team.

If a gambler knows how to analyze this, he can have a chance to select the better team which matches in that game. It is not just how we can analyze the team, the players, but we can also look at the other things that can be as additional information to us to select the right team.

Changing player is not an issue. Because in a team example in Basketball, a coach knows how to handle things and what strategy they are going to use. Like, a mind of a coach is always working even in a current play, and it will of a play depends on how he see the other players while playing. In gambling, I also realize that a simple bet can make the next future bet differently, two options, you won or you lose. But in a certain group, taking team's cohesion is a very helpful way in order for you and your groupmates to have a united and simple decision and team goal in playing gambling.
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February 21, 2021, 05:03:44 AM
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Supporting what Ted is Pointing here , yeah we Have great individual players and also correct that the team won't win without them and without their ability and skills.
But also lets not forget that the team won't win with only the best player because that's why it is called "Team" because of the group effort and not only because of the said superstars .
Of course, this can't happen in real life like in this show. After all, in real life in a professional sports team there are people who are well versed in the details. Before you play a match with an opponent everything is analyzed. Individual qualities of opponents are also sorted out. It is always necessary to watch the composition of teams, adjust your game to the opponent's game and look for weaknesses of the opponent. Non-professionals can not do this.
Yep from the since team into the opponent , they must be analyzed and observe for us to win and not only in some aspects instead the totality will cover each small things that most bettors don't anticipate.

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February 21, 2021, 09:39:53 AM
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Team cohesion is very important it is encouraged by the management, in fact, they do a seminar and get together even when they are out of the practice or game this is to ensure that every players are in good camaraderie with other players, but it's also important that there's a strong player, that can carry the team spirit and play. 

Yeah team cohesion is an important factor if you are betting on any team. The more details you have about the team the better chances for you to bet on the right team. It does not grantee the winning of the bet but surely increases the probability of winning.
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February 21, 2021, 10:54:35 AM
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Supporting what Ted is Pointing here , yeah we Have great individual players and also correct that the team won't win without them and without their ability and skills.
But also lets not forget that the team won't win with only the best player because that's why it is called "Team" because of the group effort and not only because of the said superstars .

But what about the higher leagues?

Let's say the NBA. It is true that a lot of superstars are gathering in one team but we don't know if they are exactly happy with each other. I mean they can still play ball and adjust to what they should be doing because they are a professional athlete and they are paid to do it. Cohesion and a best player matters, in the real world the better team still wins.
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February 21, 2021, 11:16:00 AM
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But what about the higher leagues?

Let's say the NBA. It is true that a lot of superstars are gathering in one team but we don't know if they are exactly happy with each other. I mean they can still play ball and adjust to what they should be doing because they are a professional athlete and they are paid to do it. Cohesion and a best player matters, in the real world the better team still wins.

of course, they are paid to be professional and to lead the team, take a look at the Bulls on Jordan era there was a rift between them and their manager, but they still managed to win 6 championship rings, because they know how to win and how to unite the team to be cohesive in the court. 

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February 21, 2021, 11:21:23 AM
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But what about the higher leagues?

Let's say the NBA. It is true that a lot of superstars are gathering in one team but we don't know if they are exactly happy with each other. I mean they can still play ball and adjust to what they should be doing because they are a professional athlete and they are paid to do it. Cohesion and a best player matters, in the real world the better team still wins.

of course, they are paid to be professional and to lead the team, take a look at the Bulls on Jordan era there was a rift between them and their manager, but they still managed to win 6 championship rings, because they know how to win and how to unite the team to be cohesive in the court. 
They paid for the star players and that’s why they depend on them that much, and the purpose of the other players is to support their ace player, and that’s what a team is all about. You don’t get too emotional if you’re playing with the best player, I’m sure you’re part of the team because you’re good as well and that’s my basis when I’m betting, its all about the team.
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February 21, 2021, 11:24:24 AM
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Absolute nonsense. The psychological state is important but it is one of the many factors of physical fitness. Mathematics is of decisive importance - the percentage of accurate actions of the player in each position, the correct placement and interaction of these characteristics. If a coach knows nothing about this and focuses on one factor of fitness, then his team will not be doing well.

But that's cohesion though? To utilize all unique skills of all players to make a strong team by focusing on key placements is what makes a team strongest and best of their version. While I agree that in a team, a particular player is best among all other players, psychological effects do matter, like if that player is given post of captaincy, then that will put more burden and pressure leading to reduction of the player's capabilities. So, it should be a balance of all that impacts.
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February 21, 2021, 12:09:42 PM
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I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game. Here's a poster in case you might've seen it but aren't sure:

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After all, football is a team sport, so the team working hard together is not less important than a few very strong players scoring some goals, right?
Those who bet on football matches and do thorough research often look into injured players and stuff like this, but I have a question: do you ever try to assess the integrity of the team itself in any way before placing a bet? Do you think it matters in real life, or is it just a nice fantasy of a TV show?

Team cohesion is very important it is encouraged by the management, in fact, they do a seminar and get together even when they are out of the practice or game this is to ensure that every players are in good camaraderie with other players, but it's also important that there's a strong player, that can carry the team spirit and play. 
Cohesion is always part of the winning team and also our winning bets , because how can we expect to win in our team supporting when they are in their own feet when playing ?
their Mind , Body and Spirit must be Correlate with each other (Of course with the command of the Coaching team) to bring the winning into our footsteps .
So yeah i totally agree with what OP is pointing in this and surely everyone of us are agreeing with the same sentiment .

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February 21, 2021, 12:10:12 PM
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But what about the higher leagues?

Let's say the NBA. It is true that a lot of superstars are gathering in one team but we don't know if they are exactly happy with each other. I mean they can still play ball and adjust to what they should be doing because they are a professional athlete and they are paid to do it. Cohesion and a best player matters, in the real world the better team still wins.

of course, they are paid to be professional and to lead the team, take a look at the Bulls on Jordan era there was a rift between them and their manager, but they still managed to win 6 championship rings, because they know how to win and how to unite the team to be cohesive in the court. 
They know how to unite all players and give the best performance in that game.
Cohesion and the best player matters because that is how the team can win in almost every match.
But sometimes, they can not unite and play better because every player must try to defeat their ego in the field.
But for professional athletes, that will not be a problem as they know how to manage their emotions and forget their ego for trying to win.

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February 21, 2021, 12:38:17 PM
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Always remember that the strong players can beat by strong and a hard-working team. Sometimes the hard-working tram are the best team because they are the one who is having a great team work and those team that are persistent, compare to those teams that has a strong players but still have a bad attitude. Who do you think will win? Of course we will bet on the team that has the team work and persistent to win than to those team that all of the players are star player and having a bad attitude.

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February 21, 2021, 02:09:35 PM
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I've just finished watching a TV show "Ted Lasso" which is about a guy coaching an EPL football club without even knowing football. The point is, he focuses not on the strong individual players, but on the team's morale and cohesion for the game.

This is a just a TV show it's scripted, if the team has no talent even if you give them the best encouraging words that they've heard in their life, they are not going to turn into a champion team, talent is mold for many years and it's not only words, all the team has high morale while playing but talented and team effort wins the game.
If the team is in EPL, I think it already means it has talent, no? You don't just get into the league by mediocre play, so the team is full of highly skilled people. They might not be the best in the world, but they're very close to it. And in that case, cohesion is what they lack to become stronger. By the way, they actually get relegated in the show, so the show doesn't try to say that cohesion is all a team needs.
Absolute nonsense. The psychological state is important but it is one of the many factors of physical fitness. Mathematics is of decisive importance - the percentage of accurate actions of the player in each position, the correct placement and interaction of these characteristics. If a coach knows nothing about this and focuses on one factor of fitness, then his team will not be doing well.
It cannot just be limited to physical fitness. If there's a strong player who wants to score the goals himself and doesn't pass to another player even though that player has a better chance of scoring a goal just because they're competing with each other, it's a problem of the team's cohesion, not of physical fitness.

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February 21, 2021, 03:00:11 PM
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I think that only the coach and the athletes themselves can know for sure about the relationship between the players and the level of team unity. We can only guess thanks to past games and news, but everything can change at any minute, so I think this is a very complicated analysis that can lead to more mistakes and only confuse.

The strength of a team isn't just about their skills and ability about the sports that they're in but it's also about how they unite as one. As for me, team's cohesion is still important for them to stand firmer and just focus on a single goal. A team that is united and has a good relationship with each other could easily reach their goal of winning easily.
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February 21, 2021, 03:01:17 PM
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But what about the higher leagues?

Let's say the NBA. It is true that a lot of superstars are gathering in one team but we don't know if they are exactly happy with each other. I mean they can still play ball and adjust to what they should be doing because they are a professional athlete and they are paid to do it. Cohesion and a best player matters, in the real world the better team still wins.

of course, they are paid to be professional and to lead the team, take a look at the Bulls on Jordan era there was a rift between them and their manager, but they still managed to win 6 championship rings, because they know how to win and how to unite the team to be cohesive in the court. 

But what is the connection of the rift of Jordan and their Manager while they are not actually playing with the Managers, they are just there to monitor their franchise. Another thing is that even though they have that rift, Jordan is a well-known name in the league and I don't think they will just let them go the reason they are letting them do what he can.


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February 21, 2021, 03:19:16 PM
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I think it does because they would play better if they have some kind of connection.
Just like if they have been playing together for so long they could easily pick up what their other team mates would do.

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February 21, 2021, 03:39:03 PM
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Always remember that the strong players can beat by strong and a hard-working team. Sometimes the hard-working tram are the best team because they are the one who is having a great team work and those team that are persistent, compare to those teams that has a strong players but still have a bad attitude. Who do you think will win? Of course we will bet on the team that has the team work and persistent to win than to those team that all of the players are star player and having a bad attitude.

Sometimes the weak players can beat the strong player, especially if they can try hard and use many things to win. We can underestimate that team or player because we think that their chance to win is small and they are not possible to win for some time if they do not change their game style. It might be unbelievable, but that can happen with a bigger effort from that player. We need to know each player on that team and how their attitude can help us analyze each player's ability. It will

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February 21, 2021, 04:15:40 PM
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Always remember that the strong players can beat by strong and a hard-working team. Sometimes the hard-working tram are the best team because they are the one who is having a great team work and those team that are persistent, compare to those teams that has a strong players but still have a bad attitude. Who do you think will win? Of course we will bet on the team that has the team work and persistent to win than to those team that all of the players are star player and having a bad attitude.

Sometimes the weak players can beat the strong player, especially if they can try hard and use many things to win. We can underestimate that team or player because we think that their chance to win is small and they are not possible to win for some time if they do not change their game style. It might be unbelievable, but that can happen with a bigger effort from that player. We need to know each player on that team and how their attitude can help us analyze each player's ability. It will
The team will move and play well because there is a coach who manages the game and strategy, so that the team is strong or does not depend on the coach to place the right and right player positions to control who comes out and who enters, at the right time and can read the players when there is a good chance.
So in addition to playing compactly and strongly, the coach also has a strong role to play in winning.


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February 22, 2021, 09:44:11 AM
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I think it does because they would play better if they have some kind of connection.
Just like if they have been playing together for so long they could easily pick up what their other team mates would do.
It's called a team sport after all, if they do not have that basic connection with each other, I think that they will lose very often than anyone would expect. I don't think that you need to consider that when you are betting, the performance of the team shows their cohesion and cooperation with the others. What you need to look out for is the best players on that team and check their individual performance because they can carry the game.

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February 22, 2021, 10:16:56 AM
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Of course i do, even  though there are some issues going on in my team? yet that's not enough for me to not crediting the cohesion of the team.

I remember the oldschool Basketball team that i love to bet on in past , yeah they are having troubles together but in court ? they are still intensive and being professional .

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It has a huge impact on the team performance and I am not talking explicitly about betting here.Some years ago I worked in a country with a low quality league of football.This league was dominated by only one or two teams but at the year I worked there the league was won by an outsider team.The coach didn’t have the best players available but he built a real solid team that their strength was their unity.In this sense it has a huge impact and consequently so it does on betting.

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February 22, 2021, 11:04:55 AM
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yes it is verry important to look for this if we are betting but the strenght and weaknesses of every player is also important to know . if players are working together as a team they may also adopt it  into their real lives outside the footbal field which is nice .

 but why is the coach on that tv show coaches a football if he dont know anything about the game ? is that part of thier show ? but for sure players will know and players will correct him if its possible within that show .
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