Tru.bet scam alert owe me 0.0011 btc.

[kotajikikox]

It Just Looks like here we go again, another Newbie account that accusing a Newly advertised  gambling site Here in Forum about their Banning issue and with the same case of Violating their TOS with Cheating having Multiple accounts.

Why this is always the reason ? is it really the site that scamming the players ? or this is an organized cheater that targeting newly gambling sites to be their Bread and Butter ?

Am just curious why it goes same and same again , why is it always Newbie accounts( MAjority of the time) and why the case is always Multiple account creation ?

This drama runs the gambling world over and over again.

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[peter0425]

I registered on true.bet and applied for 0.0001btc signup bonus, I betted and and made build my bankroll to 0.0005 btc  and tried to cash out as this was the minimum balance required and guess what bingo!! they have increased the minimum cash out to 0.001btc. I betted my 0.00049 btc witha guy name pauli who is kind of chat moderator and  won 0.0011 btc ( screen shot attached). And now all is going well but when i requested a ash out of 0.0011 btc they send me 0.0001btc instead when I enquire they accused me of some multi account bullshit ( all was fine before cash out).
I want them to pay me not only my winnings but extra 0.001btc as compensation ( Ya you heard it right.)

screen shots of my bets and chat below.

https://ibb.co/yFW4M9p
https://ibb.co/qgLKvGr  

So where did you find about the Bonus of true bet ? because it looks like you have just created this account to claim here in Bitcointalk so how come that you have learn about their freebies when this was firstly offers here in this forum ? and you did not inquire in their chat , instead you have just posted a sarcastic way of chat.

Instead of asking what happens , this is how you deliver your issue

[tru.bet]

It's better to move this in the scam section there are additional good investigators there that can trace who is telling the truth, the weight is on Trubet because OP is denied payment for something he worked on, Tru bet must provide valid proof that OP has multiple accounts, there are no parameters here where users can get a warning if he is having multiple accounts before he can play, this is what happens if you are offering a bonus, without parameters implemented for double or multiple claims.

You can read our thread to see we are legit. Sorry we do not cater to fraudsters you can think whatever you want.

[tru.bet]

It's better to move this in the scam section there are additional good investigators there that can trace who is telling the truth, the weight is on Trubet because OP is denied payment for something he worked on, Tru bet must provide valid proof that OP has multiple accounts, there are no parameters here where users can get a warning if he is having multiple accounts before he can play, this is what happens if you are offering a bonus, without parameters implemented for double or multiple claims.

You can read our thread to see we are legit. Sorry we do not cater to fraudsters you can think whatever you want.

Also if any known members here would like a bonus sent to them please reply below we will be happy to send it to you so you can try us for yourself.

[robelneo]

It's better to move this in the scam section there are additional good investigators there that can trace who is telling the truth, the weight is on Trubet because OP is denied payment for something he worked on, Tru bet must provide valid proof that OP has multiple accounts, there are no parameters here where users can get a warning if he is having multiple accounts before he can play, this is what happens if you are offering a bonus, without parameters implemented for double or multiple claims.

You can read our thread to see we are legit. Sorry we do not cater to fraudsters you can think whatever you want.

I never posted that you are a fraud or scam all I posted is this is a gambling section and this discussion does not belong here by moving it on the scam section you can have fairness, once you provided all your proofs there and proved that OP is cheating, he can be tagged for trying to manipulate the bonus, don't worry you are not the only one, there are trusted gambling sites that were accused and in the end those who accused got tagged for misleading information, so far I don't see you scam anybody here.

[btc78]

It's better to move this in the scam section there are additional good investigators there that can trace who is telling the truth, the weight is on Trubet because OP is denied payment for something he worked on, Tru bet must provide valid proof that OP has multiple accounts, there are no parameters here where users can get a warning if he is having multiple accounts before he can play, this is what happens if you are offering a bonus, without parameters implemented for double or multiple claims.

You can read our thread to see we are legit. Sorry we do not cater to fraudsters you can think whatever you want.

Also if any known members here would like a bonus sent to them please reply below we will be happy to send it to you so you can try us for yourself.

try to prevent from answering each post because the thread is becoming spamming , Best that to add each comment as "Insert Quote" so each post you mate there are multiple answers created in single post.
from this you can make it more clearer without spamming the thread.

But thanks for the offer but i think i will pass this time as i want to see the result of the complaints that i'm sure you will settle soon after the proof presentations  .

[adzino]

Okay, you can easily detect fraud but how can you explain the thing about the minimum cash out option, the OP says it was just 0.0005 yet t was increases to 0.001? If you've already detect he was really a fraud then why you let him bet against another user again? I think you need to be fixed on your terms and conditions and don't just alter that immediately.

I guess they saw that people were able to abuse the promotion due to the lower withdrawal requirement and hence they acted quick by increasing the requirements. I don't see anything wrong here (unless they canceled his withdrawals and then increased the requirement. That would be wrong).
But looks like his winnings were forfeited due to multiple account creation to abuse the promotion. Makes sense though.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3156155
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2886092

Probable alt of each other (iamwithyou supporting his alt account shivatheboss. Activities like this are frowned upon).

[iamwithyou]

Okay, you can easily detect fraud but how can you explain the thing about the minimum cash out option, the OP says it was just 0.0005 yet t was increases to 0.001? If you've already detect he was really a fraud then why you let him bet against another user again? I think you need to be fixed on your terms and conditions and don't just alter that immediately.

I guess they saw that people were able to abuse the promotion due to the lower withdrawal requirement and hence they acted quick by increasing the requirements. I don't see anything wrong here (unless they canceled his withdrawals and then increased the requirement. That would be wrong).
But looks like his winnings were forfeited due to multiple account creation to abuse the promotion. Makes sense though.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3156155
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2886092

Probable alt of each other (iamwithyou supporting his alt account shivatheboss. Activities like this are frowned upon).

If care to research a bit on profile you will find that I have been into exposing shitty Sammy casinos many times earlier be it cryptothrill.io or others. I can also easily blame you of supporting casino for some tie ups but i will not go into that extent.

[CryCrptoCry]

Oh man! That is escalating to some new highs...lol. Clearly casino is at the fault as far as I can tell for below mentioned reasons:

1) Booking his action, (If he/she made so called multi accounts, though even with four account and with 10k sat bonus math does not add up).
2) OP posted a screenshot of his winning against some guy named Pauli (Which is not mentioned by casino in multi accounting list), so assuming screenshot is not fake, Technically they cheated both Pauli and OP.
3) No fair casino will post IP addresses with username publicly.
4)They can come up with such excuses in future for sure if they are going to that extent for couple of bucks.

[shoreno]

Well, I smell not something good here. You already know that this person above has abused the promotion but still, you let him withdraw the bonus?

they let him withdraw but it was 0.0001 btc only and not the exact amount the complainer won because maybe was found guilty but he didnt lost at all if he only play is the bonus and not his own money and he must be thankful because he still recieves a 0.0001 btc

That's a lot of work betting against yourself just to have a guarantee wins, rather than sending directly into each account the bonus and I hope this loophole will be fixed because it will perhaps be abused by others.
However, OP can move this into a scam accusation board and compile a lot of proof that Op was saying the truth. We don't know yet who is telling the truth.

creating account in that site amd making a bet is pretty simple and even me i was also suspecting of that site before if its legit or not because they instantly gave a big and easy bonus and the withdrawal is small plus i think it can be easily abused right at the start so im not surprise that they will increase thier limits and be extra strict with the rules . sending tip from the other user isnt possible by the way

[iv4n]

I never posted that you are a fraud or scam all I posted is this is a gambling section and this discussion does not belong here by moving it on the scam section you can have fairness, once you provided all your proofs there and proved that OP is cheating, he can be tagged for trying to manipulate the bonus, don't worry you are not the only one, there are trusted gambling sites that were accused and in the end those who accused got tagged for misleading information, so far I don't see you scam anybody here.

Your comment is actually my answer to some questions on the previous page! This is not a gambling discussion, this is the casino banning some "possible alt accounts", and as I said if OP is honest he should open a scam accusation, he can present proofs, I guess members will give their opinion and if proofs are strong they will flag casino! Just, really rarely we have newbies with strong proofs...
Looks like tru.bet is pretty sure that these accounts are connected, so I think it's pointless to continue with discussing it further... I doubt we will end up discussing gambling in any way!

[bitterguy28]

There is only one thing for this to be settled and that is showing the proofs both parties .

though OP had provided the conversation from the chat yet this is not enough to prove he has been scammed.

and from truebet's side, the proof must be provided about the cheating of OP.

[robelneo]

OP log in today but he did not heed our advice to move this in the scam section, or lock this and create a thread for proper investigation, if he did not do what we ask him to do, then he is not serious on his accusation and Trubet accusation will stand that he is cheating by creating a multiple account, so far I cannot tell who is telling the truth.

[acener]

OP log in today but he did not heed our advice to move this in the scam section, or lock this and create a thread for proper investigation, if he did not do what we ask him to do, then he is not serious on his accusation and Trubet accusation will stand that he is cheating by creating a multiple account, so far I cannot tell who is telling the truth.

Maybe OP just created this thread to actually get the attention of trubet and to get his withdrawal and now that it seems that it has been fix OP doesn't want to continue at all.
But I am reading their TOS and it seems that there is a restriction about 1 account so I don't understand why they would still send the money if they already know that OP was cheating?

[vennali]

OP log in today but he did not heed our advice to move this in the scam section, or lock this and create a thread for proper investigation, if he did not do what we ask him to do, then he is not serious on his accusation and Trubet accusation will stand that he is cheating by creating a multiple account, so far I cannot tell who is telling the truth.

Maybe OP just created this thread to actually get the attention of trubet and to get his withdrawal and now that it seems that it has been fix OP doesn't want to continue at all.
But I am reading their TOS and it seems that there is a restriction about 1 account so I don't understand why they would still send the money if they already know that OP was cheating?

From what I can tell. The user created multiple accounts and bet between themselves to accumulate a decent chunk. Then bet against a regular player on the website to legitimize his winnings and show "proof" that he won it fair and square. Regarding why they still processed the withdrawal, It could basically just be inexperience. They are new into the market and probably haven't faced similar situation before. They did learn from it and updated their terms so that, it isn't easy to abuse the giveaway anymore. This is a known problem for sportsbooks without KYC. Some people will do absolutely everything to abuse and take any advantage they find. You will se a ton "scam accusations" against reputable sportsbooks on bitcointalk that do not require KYC. Most of those cases are similar and as follows.
- User finds some exploitable bonus or loophole.
- creates multiple accounts to take advantage of the said loophole
- The Sportsbook detects unusual activity and blocks the account
- User creates scam accusation here on bitcointalk with proof and claim no wrongdoings from their side.
- Since there is no KYC, It becomes close to impossible(without giving crucial details about how their security flags users) for the casino/sportsbooks to prove that the user is abusing their system.

I am not saying that the sportsbook is never at fault but, I am saying that in a lot of these cases. Its the individual who is the culprit. Think about it, why would an already lucrative business try to con 1 random user and taint their image for what? 0.001 BTC?

[adzino]

If care to research a bit on profile you will find that I have been into exposing shitty Sammy casinos many times earlier be it cryptothrill.io or others.

But using alt accounts to defend your actions/statements won't get you far. They probably scammed you (you still haven't answered. Did they change withdrawal amount after you tried to withdraw or before), but this isn't the proper way to accuse them. If you can create multiple accounts over here for your own benefit (to show support to yourself), what's stopping you from creating multiple accounts on their casino and abuse their promotion?
And you think "exposing" two casinos now makes you a very trusted user over here? All I can see is you trying to claim free spins/vouchers/deposit and then getting rekt.
I believe they are your alts because you both have similar post patterns.

I can also easily blame you of supporting casino for some tie ups but I will not go into that extent.

Lmao, are you threatening/blackmailing me? Is this how you extort everyone by "threatening" them?
"Give me my winnings that I won exploiting loopholes/breaking rules or I am going to expose you!!". I am not supporting Tru.bet nor am I saying anything against them, but it is easy to extort new casinos (or any new services) cause you know they are new and they fear if their reputation goes down everything they worked for is straight going to waste.

[shivatheboss]

1. Scammer blamed me of having new bitcoin talk account.

My reply: Why don't you reveal your old account here, why you created a new account so that no can find you after scamming, I have been into bitcoin talk for 3 month but just as a silent reader, I made this account just for exposing scammer like you. So you are the one who made new account here to fraud.

2. Scammer blamed me for having multiple accounts and share some account details here.

My reply: I do not have any other account on your Sammy site and that is it. You might come up with some false stories just to scam some noob depositor. You re raised minimum cash out limit  from 0.0005 to 0.001 btc just after I tried to cash out. And then When I won against most probably a  house player who is a chat moderator also you denied my winnings because lets admit you can not afford even a 0.001btc lol. Just admit it.
I have posted clearly my winning bet against a player which must be enough for you to pay me my winnings with extra compensation.

3. Scammer is still giving bonus so that he can hire some cheap publicity so that any noob depositor can be trapped via their own house players fake bet slip, which is never going to be paid.

4. The whole modus operandi of this cheap scam is to give some lucrative odds to people as in my case no other sensible website will offer 2.3 odds on that particular event ( You can check that for verification) and then somehow make excuses and take their winnings because scammer will be posting  his own fake bet.
 


JUST A CHEAP SCAM STAY AWAY.

[tru.bet]

You are the only scam going here. Thank you.

[janggernaut]

You can read our thread to see we are legit. Sorry we do not cater to fraudsters you can think whatever you want.

You only saying this on your thread

This person was fraudulently creating accounts via tor nodes, gathering their bonuses and betting solely against themself to guarantee a win. We banned this player and have had to stop issuing the welcome bonuses. We have no room for players like this. We should also mention we cashed out their initial bonus amount. Thank you.

But i didn't see the proofs given by you, i mean how did you connected him with multiple accounts, etc.

Better to read the whole post before posting, i've said what you said on here. please not jump on a thread and post whatever you want. Thx

[vennali]

This is getting out of hand. This kid thinks if he writes with uppercase and big red letters then, it must be true. He completely ignored my previous comment in Tru.bet's thread as well. So, I had to take a deeper look into his shenanigans.

I have opened a reputation thread with evidence that he's just looking to make a quick buck abusing tru.bet but has been unsuccessful so he's just going on a long tantrum.

Do you want me to believe that a newbie account "randomly" found a new betting exchange who were running a giveaway ONLY on bitcointalk and had no digital presence anywhere else. He only made his bitcointalk account when his attempt to cashout wasn't successful. Which implies that he has alt accounts on bitcointalk.  Feel free to go through the evidence that I have submitted and let me know.