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February 22, 2021, 11:52:04 PM
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One week ago, Bank of America hinted at the unthinkable: the tsunami of monetary and fiscal stimulus, coupled with the upcoming surge in monetary velocity as the world's economy emerges from lockdowns, would lead to unprecedented economic overheating... or rather precedented as BofA's CIO Michael Hartnett reflected back on the post-WW1 Germany which he said was the "most epic, extreme analog of surging velocity and inflation following end of war psychology, pent-up savings, lost confidence in currency & authorities" and specifically the Reichsbank’s monetization of debt, and extrapolated that this is similar to what is going on now.



There is, of course, another name for that period: Weimar Germany, and because we all know what happened then, it is understandable why BofA does not want to mention that particular name.

Of course, others have been less shy - in 1974, Jens Parsson wrote a fascinating, in-depth historical analysis of the hyperinflationary collapse of Weimar Germany under the original money printer, Rudy von Havenstein, "Dying of Money: Lessons of the Great German and American Inflations" one which we periodically remind readers is absolutely critical reading in preparation for what comes next.

Then overnight none other than the Big Short, Michael Burry, who has been rather busy making waves within the financial community with his hot takes (most recently, his slam of Robinhood and his bullish view on Uranium), picked up on the theme of Weimar Germany and specifically its hyperinflation, as the blueprint for what comes next in a lengthy tweetstorm cribbing generously from Parsson's seminal work. And while the details are familiar to most monetary historians, the fact is that now none other than the man who was made famous in the Big Short is calling for Weimar-style hyperinflation in the US. Below is an easily digestible repost of Burry's lengthy Saturday tweetstorm, which shows just how similar our world is to that prevalent in the years just before Weimar Germany saw the most explosive hyperinflation in history.

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The US government is inviting inflation with its MMT-tinged policies. Brisk Debt/GDP, M2 increases while retail sales, PMI stage V recovery. Trillions more stimulus & re-opening to boost demand as employee and supply chain costs skyrocket. #ParadigmShift

 "The life of the inflation in its ripening stage was a paradox which had its own unmistakable characteristics. One was the great wealth, at least of those favored by the boom..Many great fortunes sprang up overnight...The cities, had an aimless and wanton youth"

"Prices in Germany were steady, and both business and the stock market were booming. The exchange rate of the mark against the dollar and other currencies actually rose for a time, and the mark was momentarily the strongest currency in the world" on inflation's eve.

"Side by side with the wealth were the pockets of poverty. Greater numbers of people remained on the outside of the easy money, looking in but not able to enter. The crime rate soared."

"Accounts of the time tell of a progressive demoralization which crept over the common people, compounded of their weariness with the breakneck pace, to no visible purpose, and their fears from watching their own precarious positions slip while others grew so conspicuously rich."

"Almost any kind of business could make money. Business failures and bankruptcies became few. The boom suspended the normal processes of natural selection by which the nonessential and ineffective otherwise would have been culled out."

"Speculation alone, while adding nothing to Germany's wealth, became one of its largest activities. The fever to join in turning a quick mark infected nearly all classes..Everyone from the elevator operator up was playing the market."

"The volumes of turnover in securities on the Berlin Bourse became so high that the financial industry could not keep up with the paperwork...and the Bourse was obliged to close several days a week to work off the backlog" #robinhooddown

"all the marks that existed in the world in the summer of 1922 were not worth enough, by November of 1923, to buy a single  newspaper or a tram ticket. That was the spectacular part of the collapse, but most of the real loss in money wealth had been suffered much earlier."

 "Throughout these years the structure was quietly building itself up for the blow. Germany's #inflationcycle ran not for a year but for nine years, representing eight years of gestation and only one year of #collapse."

His punchline: the above was "written in 1974 re: 1914-1923" and then makes the ominous extrapolation that "2010-2021: Gestation" adding that "when dollars might as well be falling from the sky...management teams get creative and ultimately take more risk.. paying out debt-financed dividends to investors or investing in risky growth opportunities has beaten a frugal mentality hands down."



We are there now. The only question is when do we enter the exponential currency collapse phase.

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Update (1815 ET): one day after the Weimar tweetstorm below, and shortly after our article came out, Burry tweeted the following:

People say I didn't warn last time. I did, but no one listened. So I warn this time. And still, no one listens. But I will have proof I warned.

Indeed he will.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/michael-burry-warns-weimar-hyperinflation-coming


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Analysts and experts have voiced fiat devaluation / hyperinflation concerns for many years. Many over the last 50 years urged decreased state spending. Endorsing better budgeting and the introduction of incentives for government programs to become more efficient and cost effective. Economists like Milton Friedman decried increasingly taxing work, while subsidizing non work, as unsustainable. While Voltaire's famous quotation about fiat money inevitably returning to its intrinsic value of zero was rephrased multiple times by internet influencers wanting to claim the quote for their own.

Countless names said our system was unsustainable, lacking in legitimate efforts to stabilize or maintain viability.

Are the criticis finally right? Or will life continue onwards without noticeable or relevent changes.
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February 23, 2021, 12:38:35 AM
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if the inflation happens in 1 spot then id say yes problem.   But if all govs are printing and attempting to match the usd then.  maybe not if all the currency's are in the same boat at the same time.

my answer is crypto =>
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February 23, 2021, 01:17:21 AM
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There's definitely something to be said for forms of money that can't be created out of thin air--bitcoin is one of those, precious metals are another class. 

But I don't know.  People have been predicting a Weimar Germany situation in the US for a long time, yet it never seems to arrive.  And believe me, I'm not calling those people who predict hyperinflation nutcases, because I think a day of reckoning is coming.  There's no way any government can just keep increasing the money supply like the US has done and not pay for it in the end.

Burry could be right.  So could those companies like MicroStrategy and others that've snapped up bitcoin for their treasuries.  But as much as I'm a fan of bitcoin and what it stands for, I really don't want to see a hyperinflation situation anywhere in the world and much less in the US.  That would be a nightmare on a lot of different levels.

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February 23, 2021, 04:08:01 AM
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Burry could be right.  So could those companies like MicroStrategy and others that've snapped up bitcoin for their treasuries.  But as much as I'm a fan of bitcoin and what it stands for, I really don't want to see a hyperinflation situation anywhere in the world and much less in the US.  That would be a nightmare on a lot of different levels.

Is it possible that hyperinflation will result to the push of bitcoin into a mainstream?

Because there's a possibility that if US and other countries experience inflation then that's the time where they will rely on a certain cryptocurrency. We will all suffer when inflation came towards us and it is really not that easy to deal with that especially if the government doesn't know how to regulate or control that.

It is really not clear if this inflation is good or bad for bitcoin, but I'm pretty sure that this will hardly affect bitcoin in all manners.

Hoping to learn more about this and to enlighten my knowledge on how to deal with this and what are the possible effects that can also happen to bitcoin.

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March 02, 2021, 12:22:40 PM
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Analysts and experts have voiced fiat devaluation / hyperinflation concerns for many years. Many over the last 50 years urged decreased state spending. Endorsing better budgeting and the introduction of incentives for government programs to become more efficient and cost effective. Economists like Milton Friedman decried increasingly taxing work, while subsidizing non work, as unsustainable. While Voltaire's famous quotation about fiat money inevitably returning to its intrinsic value of zero was rephrased multiple times by internet influencers wanting to claim the quote for their own.

Countless names said our system was unsustainable, lacking in legitimate efforts to stabilize or maintain viability.

Are the criticis finally right? Or will life continue onwards without noticeable or relevent changes.
This is actually not a bad thing for us, as long as we have crypto, we would still be fine with the situation as well. Think of someone who had 2 bitcoins way before Venezuela crashed, they could have actually spent the 1 bitcoin they had during that period for the past 2-3 years and now they can sell the other 1 bitcoin and survive at least another 5-10 years with that, because it is a nation that is very poor, having 50k dollars would mean you could survive for years and years.

I am not saying USA will be like Venezuela because let's face it they will do whatever they can to keep their rich people rich, and if they became like Venezuela their rich people will own only a little amount because of the super high inflation, and they can't have that, they will literally get money and burn it if they have to in order to make the capitalists happy, but I know for a fact that this will cause a lot more poor to be a lot worse there, they are willing to let people die to keep rich people happy.

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March 02, 2021, 07:27:38 PM
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i still don't think we are going to see any kind of "doomsday" scenario with hyperinflation but there is definitely a lot of inflation ahead of us. the government can not just keep printing money and injecting it into the economy without ever seeing the effects of it on the value of fiat. it is bound to crash at some point even if it is a slow downward dump over a longer period instead of a sudden devastating crash.

this is yet another reason to pay extra attention to the only currency that matters and that is bitcoin.

There is a FOMO brewing...
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March 03, 2021, 02:12:24 AM
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Honestly why does people have to hear this from the news before realizing that these kind of things are going to happen if the current governmental system keeps running that way. First we had societies, then Monarchy , then years after we had various hit and trial methods of governing the people and at the end of the day even right now we have to still find a way to govern a whole nation. The most important thing for a country is how strong it's economy is.
Now you have to understand that we cannot keep borrowing money and distributing it to people in the name of stimulus, ripping other people of their money and at the same time just because elections were near and they have to deliver something big. Honestly this is too barbaric seeing corruption taking money 💰 out of middle class and the rich getting richer. We will be at a state where only the rich would be able to afford basic facilities. What's needed is :
1. Better education ( this is the basics of whole country)
2. Better Governance and at the same time using technology like blockchain to make things more visible and to eradicate corruption.
3. Better system to make things stronger
4. Tackling hyperinflation with local production
5. Using the resources of a country and using minimalist import
6. Creating job opportunities
Things like that are very important and stimulus should only be provided for people who don't have a job and are not able to live without it, not to someone who earns millions !
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March 03, 2021, 03:13:34 AM
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When it comes to what we can do as individuals to protect ourselves and families from hyperinflation, or even regular ol' inflation, I think that The Pharmacist and BrewMaster offer solid advice.

IMO, it is not quite enough to say "Bitcoin solves that" (re hyperinflation).  We do not know the future, there are risks to the Bitcoin Ecosystem (some of which we may not even know about: "Black Swans"), and it's just smart to be diversified somewhat.

My personal working scenario is that we will have some kind of deflationary event before high inflation.  Debt is a killer in deflation.  I have always avoided debt when possible, and advise the same to anyone who is not rich.  If we hit a hyperinflation, debt *may be* good, if the debt is not indexed to gold or inflation (which has happened) -- keep in mind that banks are not stupid...

Avoid debt, HODL BTC, own physical gold (silver, platinum) in your own personal control, perhaps even own other types of hard assets (esp. farmland, perhaps nice art).  But do not own TOO MUCH real estate as property is very easy to tax...  Holding diversified hard assets (inc. BTC) is a great way to balance what you have in an uncertain future.

A profitable and resilient business is excellent too.  Many businesses survived just fine in the German Hyperinflation I read somewhere (they can raise prices).

Yes, owning lead and lead-projection devices also counts for those OK with that.
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March 03, 2021, 04:00:35 AM
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WOW. @Hydrogen, Thank you for these quoted updates you provide. Those lines paraphrased from the tweet-storm quoting the history of Weimar Germany collapse have an uncanny similarity with the present situation. I'll re-quote some that resonated for me:

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"Side by side with the wealth were the pockets of poverty. Greater numbers of people remained on the outside of the easy money, looking in but not able to enter. The crime rate soared."

"Accounts of the time tell of a progressive demoralization which crept over the common people, compounded of their weariness with the breakneck pace, to no visible purpose, and their fears from watching their own precarious positions slip while others grew so conspicuously rich."

"Almost any kind of business could make money. Business failures and bankruptcies became few. The boom suspended the normal processes of natural selection by which the nonessential and ineffective otherwise would have been culled out."
So essentially the trillions being printed are just ending up on the stock markets with company valuations soaring to figures which are simply not justified by their actual output. Even though Tesla is a hugely efficient company, the valuation is unprecedented for an auto company.
Now either Elon Musk and NASA actually give Americans a new purpose with Mars missions or the general populace will end up feeling like those in Weimar Germany. In another thread, I speculated that all of that cash can indeed find an outlet in the form of foreign investment by American companies to compete against State-backed Chinese companies. Yet, as this article states, until all that wealth generation actually leads to equal or commensurate prosperity for general US citizens, this whole thing can actually crash.

You cannot have 50% of the population feeling disillusioned enough to follow someone like Trump and not have economic repercussions. I really wish that Americans tide over this collective loss of confidence and find their combined national vigor back again.
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