Fate of $15 per hour lies in the hands of the Senate Parliamentary

[Gyfts]

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/08/raising-minimum-wage-to-15-would-cost-1point4-million-jobs-cbo-says.html

This is the problem with the minimum wage -- people who get to keep their job reap the benefits of being overpaid while those who get canned get the benefit of being paid 0 dollars per hour. 15 bucks in different parts of the US will go a long way, whereas in California it'd be useless. So why set the federal standard to be so high? Would it not be more effective for states to legislate what the minimum wage should be with respect to the cost of living?

Imagine being a start up business like a restaurant in rural Mississippi and expecting to be able to foot the bill of paying a server 15 bucks an hour.

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[mindrust]

If the min wage was so low and that was a big problem... why not make it $1000/h so everybody would live like kings?

[BADecker]

Get rid of the minimum wage. It is ruining us. Why? Because people won't work on jobs unless there is enough money to give them the living that they need. They can't afford it. Let supply and demand operate in the wage payment field.

[Gyfts]

Update on the minimum wage - 15 bucks an hour thing is not going to happen. Congrats to small businesses in the US. You can thank a few brave democrats for that: https://www.newsweek.com/joe-manchin-slows-covid-19-stimulus-bill-passage-over-unemployment-benefits-1574187
The unemployment stipend will also be 300 dollars per week oppose to the 400 per week Biden promised. So it seems a few moderate votes in the senate are what will force some compromise. Joe Manchin seems to be getting a lot of hate for watering down the relief bill.

[PrimeNumber7]

Update on the minimum wage - 15 bucks an hour thing is not going to happen. Congrats to small businesses in the US. You can thank a few brave democrats for that: https://www.newsweek.com/joe-manchin-slows-covid-19-stimulus-bill-passage-over-unemployment-benefits-1574187
The unemployment stipend will also be 300 dollars per week oppose to the 400 per week Biden promised. So it seems a few moderate votes in the senate are what will force some compromise. Joe Manchin seems to be getting a lot of hate for watering down the relief bill.

From the looks of it, $15 minimum wage is simply not happening, at least a government-mandated $15 minimum wage (a market-based $15 minimum wage is already in effect for many labor markets).

I also believe that Pelosi is much better at whipping votes than Schemer is. Part of this is due to the fact that there are very few "safe" senate seats for either party, and part of this is the 6-year terms Senators have -- leadership today may be different from leadership in 6 years, which makes it more difficult to bully Senators, even if they will be facing a primary in the coming election season.

[BADecker]

The best part of this thread is the title. Anybody who isn't going to stand up and decide his own fate, deserves being a slave to $15 an hour.

[Natsuu]

The best part of this thread is the title. Anybody who isn't going to stand up and decide his own fate, deserves being a slave to $15 an hour.

Fate of $15 per hour lies in the hands of the Senate Parliamentary


Actually, it lies in your hands. If you don't like the measly $15 per hour, start a business.

Yeah, alright, we get it, you're pretty privileged peeps. Though I may agree to the concept of, if you can do it, do it. But saying that peeps who can't bring themselves to a business or something that will generate large amount of money is nonsense. They have different stories to tell, so give them some slacks.

[BADecker]

The best part of this thread is the title. Anybody who isn't going to stand up and decide his own fate, deserves being a slave to $15 an hour.

Fate of $15 per hour lies in the hands of the Senate Parliamentary


Actually, it lies in your hands. If you don't like the measly $15 per hour, start a business.

Yeah, alright, we get it, you're pretty privileged peeps. Though I may agree to the concept of, if you can do it, do it. But saying that peeps who can't bring themselves to a business or something that will generate large amount of money is nonsense. They have different stories to tell, so give them some slacks.

But consider. Drug laws have been around for ages. But the ingenuity of some of the poor people has gotten around the drug laws. Even the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, formed in 1930, can't stop the drug traffic.The only reason it has any success is that most people aren't interested in drugs.

Sure, there are people in prison for fighting government. But even people in prison outsmart government.

In other words, people will find a way when they get sick of being oppressed enough... even with stuff like a minimum wage.

[Natsuu]

The best part of this thread is the title. Anybody who isn't going to stand up and decide his own fate, deserves being a slave to $15 an hour.

Fate of $15 per hour lies in the hands of the Senate Parliamentary


Actually, it lies in your hands. If you don't like the measly $15 per hour, start a business.

Yeah, alright, we get it, you're pretty privileged peeps. Though I may agree to the concept of, if you can do it, do it. But saying that peeps who can't bring themselves to a business or something that will generate large amount of money is nonsense. They have different stories to tell, so give them some slacks.

But consider. Drug laws have been around for ages. But the ingenuity of some of the poor people has gotten around the drug laws. Even the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, formed in 1930, can't stop the drug traffic.The only reason it has any success is that most people aren't interested in drugs.

Sure, there are people in prison for fighting government. But even people in prison outsmart government.

In other words, people will find a way when they get sick of being oppressed enough... even with stuff like a minimum wage.

Minimum wage is not that a big issue, especially it is not meant to be in that price for forever. Reforms is needed someday so it is okay to have a fight for it as they believed it must happen soon.

Anyways, are you saying that poor people should go trade drugs as their business, if it is, then you're a twisted guy. Drug laws are there for a reason, and it is not just that government wanted to take control, but it has issues that may affect peoples lives.

[BADecker]

But consider. Drug laws have been around for ages. But the ingenuity of some of the poor people has gotten around the drug laws. Even the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, formed in 1930, can't stop the drug traffic.The only reason it has any success is that most people aren't interested in drugs.

Sure, there are people in prison for fighting government. But even people in prison outsmart government.

In other words, people will find a way when they get sick of being oppressed enough... even with stuff like a minimum wage.

Minimum wage is not that a big issue, especially it is not meant to be in that price for forever. Reforms is needed someday so it is okay to have a fight for it as they believed it must happen soon.

Anyways, are you saying that poor people should go trade drugs as their business, if it is, then you're a twisted guy. Drug laws are there for a reason, and it is not just that government wanted to take control, but it has issues that may affect peoples lives.

Drug laws are there to maintain a monopoly for Big Pharma, and take the focus off what is really being regulated. People are being regulated, not drugs.

Drug laws take away freedom. Freedom is better.

Minimum wage takes away freedom. Freedom is better.

[squatz1]

Update on the minimum wage - 15 bucks an hour thing is not going to happen. Congrats to small businesses in the US. You can thank a few brave democrats for that: https://www.newsweek.com/joe-manchin-slows-covid-19-stimulus-bill-passage-over-unemployment-benefits-1574187
The unemployment stipend will also be 300 dollars per week oppose to the 400 per week Biden promised. So it seems a few moderate votes in the senate are what will force some compromise. Joe Manchin seems to be getting a lot of hate for watering down the relief bill.

From the looks of it, $15 minimum wage is simply not happening, at least a government-mandated $15 minimum wage (a market-based $15 minimum wage is already in effect for many labor markets).

I also believe that Pelosi is much better at whipping votes than Schemer is. Part of this is due to the fact that there are very few "safe" senate seats for either party, and part of this is the 6-year terms Senators have -- leadership today may be different from leadership in 6 years, which makes it more difficult to bully Senators, even if they will be facing a primary in the coming election season.

Yup.

Pelosi is good at it because leadership in the house is much more powerful then leadership in the Senate. That’s by design of each houses of congress, not much is left to the individual themselves. In the Senate you’re looking at a 6 yr term, which insulates you from a lot of political damage from the party (as the house is 2 yr terms). Further - Someone like Joe Manchin can really just do whatever he wants as he is a DEMOCRAT in a reliably RED state that has no reason being in the Democrat caucus.

I know Bernie was trying some plan to penalize big businesses for not paying $15 per hour and leaving small businesses out of it but it’s not something that came to fruition anyway. Curious to see polling on progressives for this covid bill compared to other groups.