Do You Trust In-House Casino Competition? (Wager/Multiplier/Raffle)

[Hippocrypto]

Well if an user is at leaderboard top positions there must be someway to proove that, maybe through his account's statistics?
I think a casino can't fake this kind of competition for too long, because the real big players will start doubting, questioning and complaining about the results, what will lead a wave of suspiciousness among other gamblers, prejudicing future competitions and the casino itself. So there is no point for a casino who wants to be reputable and to operate for a long time to practice such actions.

Probably, this scenario about faking would only exist for non reputable casino who's going to scam every gamblers who fall into their promotional traps. If you're smart enough to determine their modus, then don't trust on their mode of set play and it's in the first place they'll be suspicious once complains started to burst out from random players who experience some disappointing experience.

[hopenotlate]

Often wondered and sometimes still wonder about this issue as well : and usually I rely on site reputation and go with the most pupolar and trustes...but those are the ones where winning in those kind of competition is harded or that same reason.
I think some sites might do some tricks like this, expecially the ones with the feature on hiding player profile : in my opinoin people with hidden profile should be excluded from wagering competition.
One thing that makes it harder fro site to eventually cheat on this kind of promo is if they have bankroll investiment feature : in case of house players losing their asses to climb the leaderboard investors profit would grow, so site admins should make some math to calculate the lesser damage for site bankroll.

[KTChampions]

Often wondered and sometimes still wonder about this issue as well : and usually I rely on site reputation and go with the most pupolar and trustes...but those are the ones where winning in those kind of competition is harded or that same reason.
I think some sites might do some tricks like this, expecially the ones with the feature on hiding player profile : in my opinoin people with hidden profile should be excluded from wagering competition.
One thing that makes it harder fro site to eventually cheat on this kind of promo is if they have bankroll investiment feature : in case of house players losing their asses to climb the leaderboard investors profit would grow, so site admins should make some math to calculate the lesser damage for site bankroll.

Nothing changes whether the player's profile is hidden or not. You can "simulate" both a hidden and an open profile - in any case, you have to rely on the reputation of the casino. I think most of the big players have hidden profiles for obvious reasons and would be annoyed if kicked out of this competition. It would annoy me if I had to choose between bonus and privacy.

[jaberwock]

Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?

I am glad I am not the only one who thinks like it. I was trying to ask the same question but I was feared that most of the reputed casinos will come hard at me if I directly ask them in support chat, great to have a topic here and discuss with players.

Its actually a very viable option for them and specially the new casinos who don't have players can announce 100 BTC race/contest and then show up their own usernames and accounts.

I hardly ever compete for these wager contests because I don't like losing $100 to win $10 from these contests but really good point and I wish some casinos can answer because we as players can only discuss.

[CarnagexD]

I don't see why they would have to put fake people on the leaderboards even if you say that it's to boost popularity. They literally could use any other tactic than that. And besides, if you think the gambling site you frequent in is pulling a fast one on you, then you might wanna switch to a different one just to save yourself the trouble of being so skeptical about it.

[panjul07]

I don't see why they would have to put fake people on the leaderboards even if you say that it's to boost popularity. They literally could use any other tactic than that. And besides, if you think the gambling site you frequent in is pulling a fast one on you, then you might wanna switch to a different one just to save yourself the trouble of being so skeptical about it.

The main reason why they put fake accounts on such contest is to save some money from the prizepool.
I remember there was a casino namely "wixiplay" did this thing in the past.
The casino had few wagering contest (daily, weekly and monthly) but the main winners are inactive account (by checking the profile of the account).
Luckily the site is not able to survive and I think it is gone already.
Of course it is not happening in all casinos, at least reputable casinos wont do such bad thing as they wont be willing to risk their reputation.

[nakamura12]

If it's a wager competition then I won't participate since I am a small gambler so wager competition is out of my hands unless it is another competition that is not based on wager then I'll be gladly to join to try my chance on winning the competition rather than gambling for fun and not taking chances on competition that does not take a lot of money to have a chance to win. Putting fake top participants on leaderboard have consequences and one of it is trust or reputation.

[KTChampions]

If it's a wager competition then I won't participate since I am a small gambler so wager competition is out of my hands unless it is another competition that is not based on wager then I'll be gladly to join to try my chance on winning the competition rather than gambling for fun and not taking chances on competition that does not take a lot of money to have a chance to win. Putting fake top participants on leaderboard have consequences and one of it is trust or reputation.

That is why it is extremely unlikely that at least someone does this. The savings from such actions are minimal and the loss is fatal. The casino actually exists because of its reputation, if it is lost then the players will avoid it and this business will fail. I doubt anyone would risk losing their existing business trying to save a couple thousand dollars.

[Quidat]

Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?

That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?

Sincerely,
A skeptic guy.

Possibly could happen because there's no way that you can really verify if those players are real ones or just part of the team to rip off those prizes go back to the house itself
and deceived out those real players to play to catch up with the rankings.This is really happening and im aint excludning those popular or know ones because they can still ahve
that kind of probability that it might happen.When it comes to transparency of tournaments then it would be still on doubt when it comes to outcome.
Events on bitcointalk or being held on this place? I would also prefer this one than to those typical ones.

[Ryker1]

If it's a wager competition then I won't participate since I am a small gambler so wager competition is out of my hands unless it is another competition that is not based on wager then I'll be gladly to join to try my chance on winning the competition rather than gambling for fun and not taking chances on competition that does not take a lot of money to have a chance to win. Putting fake top participants on leaderboard have consequences and one of it is trust or reputation.

That is why it is extremely unlikely that at least someone does this. The savings from such actions are minimal and the loss is fatal. The casino actually exists because of its reputation, if it is lost then the players will avoid it and this business will fail. I doubt anyone would risk losing their existing business trying to save a couple thousand dollars.

Well, I can't imagine this kind of cheating from casinos while I am a very active player of poker before. It perhaps also possible that the one who I played is one of their team, it is a ^[bogus] type of fraud. It is really hard to determine that truth if there is a possible bias that happens inside the competition. But perhaps, reputable gambling sites did not do this since they don't want to ruin their reputation. I don't know how it works and how to verify but if you will trust the gambling site and I think there is nothing you can do if they are cheating on you.

[South Park]

Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?

That's the reason I only participate in competitions published and handled in Bitcointalk. It's easier to verify. Do you also think the same?

Sincerely,
A skeptic guy.

If we are honest there is no way to verify these results and the casino could easily cheat their customers by creating fake accounts or by giving the prize from those competitions to insiders that work on the casino, however I do not think we need to get that paranoid, if the casino in which you are playing has a good reputation and it prides itself in serving their customers to their best of their ability then I think it is fair to say it is unlikely a casino like that would cheat their customers.

[TheGreatPython]

I only take part in Sportsbet.io tournament competitions as I only play there.I tend to believe there are no faked names because as long as people are taking part in slots tournaments they are using money and the company in the end will only share part of this money to the top 5 players who wagered the most.There is no reason for a big casino why they would want to put random fake names in these competitions as there is nothing to be gained from this.

I also took part in the sportsbet.io American Hero streak challenge where we had to make bets on NBA and other sports and win the most consecutive bets to get the prize. I never managed to win the 1st prize but I do got free bet, I trust them but that doesn't deny the point that they can easily cheat if they want and even the usernames are hidden for user privacy. Don't mistake me, I really trust sportsbet.io a lot and would never associate them with such frauds.

my way of verifying is if the high roller in the leaderboard competition is not hidden and the another one is if he is active chatting in the public chat of a gambling site .

Yeah, but for example at stake.com there is a player who has the highest VIP level, GDLE but I never saw him in chat or anywhere and he even won the raffle draw of Lambo so I am not saying stake cheated or anything like that because everyone was given a ticket before announcement of the winning number and winner was chosen by google random number generator but the point remains the same that how do we know if such a player actually exist and not just a dummy account.

[Pmalek]

Many cryptocurrency exchanges fake their trading volume, are involved in wash trading, and other illicit practices to make it seem that they are bigger and more important than they really are. Your question makes sense and it is possible that such malpractices are happening on gambling sites as well. The funds exchanges hold aren't transparent. You can't verify which player holds what and who gets paid how much.  

It is certainly possible that the developers and casino operators can create accounts, fund those accounts from the money pool, and participate in competitions. This is not an accusation, just a statement on what could theoretically happen.

[Natsuu]

Different when we are talking about wager, biggest profit, race and other contests, all of these contest could be manipulated (especially when the time of contest is near end).

Could be, but I don't see casinos to do it, as what the OP is, gamblers are very skeptic in this kind of things. Gamblers tend to keep a close eyes on things they anticipated to win, so if the competition have been painted with other colors, there is a high chance of gamblers to notice it very quick. Aside from being skeptic, being friendly is also part of a gamblers attitude, so it is natural that this gamblers pretty much know who are they competing to.

[iamsheikhadil]

Well, you can verify many of the races and players by simply seeing their most recent bets and verify if they are real bets or not. But your limit is only upto that, because you can't really verify if the users are from the casino itself or not, because in that case you are right, you are most likely being cheated. It's a very important point you have made which I haven't thought about earlier, sites can simply create users and play to make other people losers in races haha. I never really participate in races, because the prize always is lower than what I lose during the wager so yeah, it's best to avoid it unless you have huge money and want to lose some of it just for a little bit of thrill

[hahay]

It didn't cross my mind if there was something like about random user printing to place them on the leaderboard but yeah, it could just be for a trigger. But honestly, I never really thought it existed because well, so far I've only participated in competitions where at least there is a noticeboard or something here on the gambling board. Therefore, I never thought there was such a thing as random user printing, because so far in the competitions I participated in at least I still got prizes even though I didn't always win first place, but with me receiving real prizes I assumed the users who were on the leaderboard were real users.

[janggernaut]

Different when we are talking about wager, biggest profit, race and other contests, all of these contest could be manipulated (especially when the time of contest is near end).

Could be, but I don't see casinos to do it, as what the OP is, gamblers are very skeptic in this kind of things. Gamblers tend to keep a close eyes on things they anticipated to win, so if the competition have been painted with other colors, there is a high chance of gamblers to notice it very quick. Aside from being skeptic, being friendly is also part of a gamblers attitude, so it is natural that this gamblers pretty much know who are they competing to.

Of course we didn't see it as it's being manipulated by a site. Did you ever see wager contest before? When the contest near ended, there are few new accounts appear and then make huge bet to reach top position in wager contest. With that way, that site don't need to pay more to the winner

[Stalker22]

Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?

This was actually a legit question. The obvious answer is… We can't actually verify the validity of these competitions. The only thing we can do is trust the organizers. Who's putting on the event, who's rating the games, etc.
Once someone wins an event it's up to the organizer to verify that this person won fair and square.

[Cling18]

Well if an user is at leaderboard top positions there must be someway to proove that, maybe through his account's statistics?
I think a casino can't fake this kind of competition for too long, because the real big players will start doubting, questioning and complaining about the results, what will lead a wave of suspiciousness among other gamblers, prejudicing future competitions and the casino itself. So there is no point for a casino who wants to be reputable and to operate for a long time to practice such actions.

Probably, this scenario about faking would only exist for non reputable casino who's going to scam every gamblers who fall into their promotional traps. If you're smart enough to determine their modus, then don't trust on their mode of set play and it's in the first place they'll be suspicious once complains started to burst out from random players who experience some disappointing experience.

As for me, things will depend on the gambling casino that we're using. Nonreputable gambling sites will surely fake their leaderboard just to attract more players. However, good casinors are actually showing off real data based on real-time records of players. It's still up to us if we'll get tricked by casinos that are faking their data that's why we should always be wise and learn how to check the reputation of every casino.

[iamsheikhadil]

Many casinos have leaderboards for a wide range of competition. Is there a way to verify the validity of the users and their scores? What stop the casinos from printing random (fake) users and put that on the leaderboard?

This was actually a legit question. The obvious answer is… We can't actually verify the validity of these competitions. The only thing we can do is trust the organizers. Who's putting on the event, who's rating the games, etc.
Once someone wins an event it's up to the organizer to verify that this person won fair and square.

I think, that any site doing this will actually create more losses than gains for themselves. All casinos have house-edge and the more the wager, more is the profit of the casinos, these races are designed to make sure people wager with maximum capacity trying to defeat the other players and grab a prize, and unless and until that prize is really so huge, I think it makes sense for the casino to simply let unique (and not fake) players to gamble their money for trying to get the prize along with that it will also establish a good-faith and good-will for the company.