Craig Wright's Latest Escapade -- Give me the bitcoins I stole from Mt. Gox!

[ymgve2]

Couldn't the "fiduciary duties" argument be turned on its head, arguing that giving the coins to Faketoshi would go against all the others users of Bitcoin's interests, meaning that the devs have a duty to protect the interest of the many over a single person?

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[BenCodie]

I can't fathom that this guy is continually wasting his precious years on hopeless causes and claims. It's been so many years since he began his claims of being Satoshi which were rendered almost meaningless. Now he is trying something that is technically impossible? How are people supposed to just "grab" private keys even in the event that they were for some reason legally obliged to?

[bitcoinstonk]

Couldn't the "fiduciary duties" argument be turned on its head, arguing that giving the coins to Faketoshi would go against all the others users of Bitcoin's interests, meaning that the devs have a duty to protect the interest of the many over a single person?

Yes, that's one of the best arguments they have. The court just needs to be convinced that it would actually harm the other users. Wright's lawyers will argue that it wouldn't, and Core's lawyers will argue that it would. It's hard to predict what the court will decide, but they'll definitely consider the question seriously.

[franky1]

claiming that devs are fiduciary rather than code project managers has other implications

core devs need to have that fine line where they develop and maintain the code but they dont assign accounts, register customers, offer refunds or interest or compensation or mediate financial dispute nor offer finance advice

much like bill gates didnt offer financial advice when he made the first version of excel/access even though excel was then used to log financial data and customer accounts

[odolvlobo]

Couldn't the "fiduciary duties" argument be turned on its head, arguing that giving the coins to Faketoshi would go against all the others users of Bitcoin's interests, meaning that the devs have a duty to protect the interest of the many over a single person?

Yes, that's one of the best arguments they have. The court just needs to be convinced that it would actually harm the other users. Wright's lawyers will argue that it wouldn't, and Core's lawyers will argue that it would. It's hard to predict what the court will decide, but they'll definitely consider the question seriously.

I think that the outcome of this trial is moot in the end.

In the very unlikely scenario of the court ordering some developer somewhere to create a version of Bitcoin that allows Craig Wright to transfer bitcoins out of those addresses, there is no possibility that anyone will be required to use that version and no possibility that anyone or any exchange will be required to accept those coins.

I believe that the judge will ultimately acknowledge the futility, but you never know.

The bigger danger is that every win increases his legitimacy in the eyes of the law. Luckily, determinations by judges previous trials are good ammunition against him, but what is needed is a huge loss where the judge states unequivocally that CSW is a liar and a fraud.

[AGD]

Isn't there a way for somebody, who lost coins with the Mt Gox incident to file a report to the police? I would if I had.

Which Police are you thinking of  to report ?

If they report to the Bitcoin Police then I could accept that and take the matters in to to Blockchain Court to justify it.

If you are lucky, I would create some another 21000000 bitcoin and pay back to Investors those who have lost their money on Mt Gox.

You didn´t get it.
If you were a client of Mt Gox and you were a victim of the Mt Gox "steal", you are looking for the one who stole your money. Now someone (CSW) pops up and says he has now the money which was stolen at Mt. Gox, you could indeed sue CSW at your local court to hand out the privkeys to given address (which he can´t, but hey...)

[fachant]

I can't fathom that this guy is continually wasting his precious years on hopeless causes and claims. It's been so many years since he began his claims of being Satoshi which were rendered almost meaningless. Now he is trying something that is technically impossible? How are people supposed to just "grab" private keys even in the event that they were for some reason legally obliged to?

This guy has the guts to remain in news and every year or two he do something that bring him back in the limelight. Now he is claiming that his computer was illegally hacked and he lost the private keys. Believe or not its the crypto that's giving importance to this fraudulent person every now and then. Just ignore him and he will die his own death but the crypto community is not willing to ignore him.

[NotATether]

If you were a client of Mt Gox and you were a victim of the Mt Gox "steal", you are looking for the one who stole your money. Now someone (CSW) pops up and says he has now the money which was stolen at Mt. Gox, you could indeed sue CSW at your local court to hand out the privkeys to given address (which he can´t, but hey...)

This guy is stupid, if it's established that the coins are his then every prosecutor chasing mt gox is going to sue his ass off to recover the stolen money from him.

Then again, I wonder if he will also claim swiveled FTX addresses belong to him as well.

[pixie85]

2. There are about 110,000 coins at those two addresses, and the BSV is worth about $20 million. He might be laying the legal (and moral) groundwork to justify confiscation of the BSV from those two addresses. That is something that he probably could pull off.

This raises an interesting question. Why should people hold BSV? If Craig gets BSV somehow extracted from those coins he'll dump it on the market to pay his legal fees and all that. We all know he's broke or nearly broke and probably wouldn't have money to start new court cases if not for his millionaire friends.

Holding BSV is very risky when you know that the guy who runs the show is emotionally unstable and out of money.

[BitcoinMoses]

Bitcoin Blockchain was not invented and developed by the earlier 12 bitcoin forum associate members. Craig cannot sue them. Craig Wright did not have any connection to Bitcoin invention or its implementation, he has acquired BSV with deception from an unknown entity and used it to create a fork  actually BSV is not Bitcoin Satoshi's Vision but Bitcoin "S" Version. "S" is the First letter of the Inventor's official first name.

Now, it I am, myself, I invented the Bitcoin and implemented the blockchain technology known as Bitcoin  Blockchain. Those Bitcoin address he is claiming his is a FBS orchestrated by one and few MF56 dreedy Bitcoin Gremlins.

Those developers can just say to the court that it is not them who created Bitcoin blockchain but Satoshi Nakamoto. So, the court can ask Satoshi Nakamoto to appear in the Court and I will be delighted to attend the Court hearing of CSW's fake court case against 12 earlier Bitcoin Forum members.

There after, I will provide the complete proof of evidence to confess his forgery and get back to the Bitcoin Drama stage to play a new role as Laughing Stock.

But if Craig confess his sin and ask forgiveness, I will forgive him because I am the most compassionate Lord Bitcoin Moses Grand Father of Bitcoin Jesus. Then, I help Craig to attain some thing better for his life to enjoy life better than being greedy Bitcoin gremlin.

There is a secret message here in this post, Borth party need third eyes to open for decipher the "message".

Isn't there a way for somebody, who lost coins with the Mt Gox incident to file a report to the police? I would if I had.

Which Police are you thinking of  to report ?

If they report to the Bitcoin Police then I could accept that and take the matters in to to Blockchain Court to justify it.

If you are lucky, I would create some another 21000000 bitcoin and pay back to Investors those who have lost their money on Mt Gox.

You didn´t get it.
If you were a client of Mt Gox and you were a victim of the Mt Gox "steal", you are looking for the one who stole your money. Now someone (CSW) pops up and says he has now the money which was stolen at Mt. Gox, you could indeed sue CSW at your local court to hand out the privkeys to given address (which he can´t, but hey...)

I got it but made the joke but you did not understand it because you are just one of my Roboto name "AGD".

Search and you will know that I gave you that AGD account to you.

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[AGD]

Bitcoin Blockchain was not invented and developed by the earlier 12 bitcoin forum associate members. Craig cannot sue them. Craig Wright did not have any connection to Bitcoin invention or its implementation, he has acquired BSV with deception from an unknown entity and used it to create a fork  actually BSV is not Bitcoin Satoshi's Vision but Bitcoin "S" Version. "S" is the First letter of the Inventor's official first name.

Now, it I am, myself, I invented the Bitcoin and implemented the blockchain technology known as Bitcoin  Blockchain. Those Bitcoin address he is claiming his is a FBS orchestrated by one and few MF56 dreedy Bitcoin Gremlins.

Those developers can just say to the court that it is not them who created Bitcoin blockchain but Satoshi Nakamoto. So, the court can ask Satoshi Nakamoto to appear in the Court and I will be delighted to attend the Court hearing of CSW's fake court case against 12 earlier Bitcoin Forum members.

There after, I will provide the complete proof of evidence to confess his forgery and get back to the Bitcoin Drama stage to play a new role as Laughing Stock.

But if Craig confess his sin and ask forgiveness, I will forgive him because I am the most compassionate Lord Bitcoin Moses Grand Father of Bitcoin Jesus. Then, I help Craig to attain some thing better for his life to enjoy life better than being greedy Bitcoin gremlin.

There is a secret message here in this post, Borth party need third eyes to open for decipher the "message".

Isn't there a way for somebody, who lost coins with the Mt Gox incident to file a report to the police? I would if I had.

Which Police are you thinking of  to report ?

If they report to the Bitcoin Police then I could accept that and take the matters in to to Blockchain Court to justify it.

If you are lucky, I would create some another 21000000 bitcoin and pay back to Investors those who have lost their money on Mt Gox.

You didn´t get it.
If you were a client of Mt Gox and you were a victim of the Mt Gox "steal", you are looking for the one who stole your money. Now someone (CSW) pops up and says he has now the money which was stolen at Mt. Gox, you could indeed sue CSW at your local court to hand out the privkeys to given address (which he can´t, but hey...)

I got it but made the joke but you did not understand it because you are just one of my Roboto name "AGD".

Search and you will know that I gave you that AGD account to you.

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Are you taking drugs or do you have mental issues? If you have voices inside your head telling you these fantasy stories, you might need professional help.
You don´t even know the meaning of AGD and certainly noone has given this account to me, but I have signed up at bitcointalk.org in 2013.

[OgNasty]

You’ve gotta give the guy credit. He’s trying every possible legal Avenue to try and get a free lunch off of Bitcoin. So far it’s proven to be a money losing mission, but he continues to push forward. He’s probably doing Bitcoin a favor to be honest. Better sooner than later that these types of attack vectors get closed and it’s easier to defend against an obvious fraud than someone who might have had a better plan.