EU Told to Back Vaccine Passports or Google May Do It Anyway

[mindrust]

European Union leaders inched toward establishing bloc-wide vaccine certificates to enable countries to reopen to travel as Commission President Ursula von der Leyen warned that unless they hurry Apple Inc. and Google will step into the vacuum.

During a five-hour video call, the EU’s 27 leaders focused on how to haul their nations back to a form of normalcy after a pandemic that’s claimed more than 500,000 lives and shut down large parts of their economies. While there was broad support for certificates of some sort, leaders didn’t agree on the type of privileges they would grant.

“We have all agreed that we need vaccine certificates,” German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters after the talks on Thursday. “In the future, it will certainly be good to have such a certificate but that will not mean that only those who have such a passport will be able to travel; about that, no political decisions have been made yet.”
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“It is important to have a European solution because otherwise others will go into this vacuum,” she said at a press briefing. “Google and Apple are already offering solutions to the World Health Organization. And this is sensitive information so we want to be very clear here that we offer a European solution.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-25/eu-told-to-back-vaccine-passports-or-google-will-do-them-anyway

Welcome to the Future

Since they are making these new passports, I think it is safe to assume this current situation won't go away till everybody gets vaxxed. Which means at least a decade.

Bill Gates Says World Won’t Return to Normal Until “A Lot of People” Take a Second COVID Vaccine

https://twitter.com/wef/status/1365614687514165248

https://archive.is/DkIqf

The Parliament passes ID2020 law for Germany

The Bundestag has taken a decisive step in the implementation of the ID2020 project by Microsoft, Accenture and Rockefeller Foundation by making the tax identification number the uniform citizen number for all authorities. The path to becoming a transparent citizen is thus mapped out.

The tax identification number is to become a comprehensive citizen number, which enables the authorities to access already existing personal data at another authority. This has the red-black coalition in parliament against the opposition and united resistance against all concerns from privacy advocates decided . The Federal Council still has to give its approval before the law, which many believe is unconstitutional, can come into force.

The Federal Constitutional Court has ruled in the past that it is contrary to the fundamental right to privacy if the state creates a database in which all data on a person are gathered. Because this enables a comprehensive personality profile that goes far beyond the knowledge required for the individual official application.

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(google translated from German, source: https://norberthaering.de/die-regenten-der-welt/bundestag-buergernummer/)

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[Poker Player]

“We have all agreed that we need vaccine certificates,” German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters after the talks on Thursday. “In the future, it will certainly be good to have such a certificate but that will not mean that only those who have such a passport will be able to travel; about that, no political decisions have been made yet.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-25/eu-told-to-back-vaccine-passports-or-google-will-do-them-anyway

Welcome to the Future

Since they are making these new passports, I think it is safe to assume this current situation won't go away till everybody gets vaxxed. Which means at least a decade.

Bill Gates Says World Won’t Return to Normal Until “A Lot of People” Take a Second COVID Vaccine

Let's see how that materializes. In principle, forcing vaccination is against the rights of the patient and international treaties on the subject. Another thing is that they do not force you to be vaccinated but do not allow you to be vaccinated:

-Travel.
-Go to the gym.
-To restaurants.
-To the supermarket, etc.

Which in practice means that if you don't get vaccinated you will only be allowed to stay at home and if you are lucky to go for a walk.

[franky1]

you can still go to supermarkets no matter what
stop making up idiot conspiracies.

we get it you lost the old idiot conspiracy about nano robots
we get it you lost the old idiot conspiracy about monkey/fetus tissue
we get it you lost the old idiot conspiracy about vaccine more deadly than the disease

just accept your losses and start dealing with facts. stop creating more lies. its never going to win you anything

[suchmoon]

I don't get why the antivaxxer nutjobs would want to socialize with the vaccine-infected 5g-irradiated plebs anyway. It seems to me that if you think this is a worldwide conspiracy, the best course of action is to sit at home and change your tinfoil underwear twice a day.

[DaveF]

I don't get why the antivaxxer nutjobs would want to socialize with the vaccine-infected 5g-irradiated plebs anyway. It seems to me that if you think this is a worldwide conspiracy, the best course of action is to sit at home and change your tinfoil underwear twice a day.

Well according to science real information whack job conspiracy nuts tinfoil should not be used to cook your food because it's bad or something like that.
https://theconversation.com/why-you-shouldnt-wrap-your-food-in-aluminium-foil-before-cooking-it-57220
So they might as well make underwear out of it.
Just remember, 1000's of scientists, 1000s of research labs are all wrong, but the person who does your hair heard from her friend who failed out of school that it can kill you.

I guess since I have no hair I don't get to hear that info.

That's it, a conspiracy against bald people not getting the info they need.

-Dave

[mindrust]

The Parliament passes ID2020 law for Germany

The Bundestag has taken a decisive step in the implementation of the ID2020 project by Microsoft, Accenture and Rockefeller Foundation by making the tax identification number the uniform citizen number for all authorities. The path to becoming a transparent citizen is thus mapped out.

The tax identification number is to become a comprehensive citizen number, which enables the authorities to access already existing personal data at another authority. This has the red-black coalition in parliament against the opposition and united resistance against all concerns from privacy advocates decided . The Federal Council still has to give its approval before the law, which many believe is unconstitutional, can come into force.

The Federal Constitutional Court has ruled in the past that it is contrary to the fundamental right to privacy if the state creates a database in which all data on a person are gathered. Because this enables a comprehensive personality profile that goes far beyond the knowledge required for the individual official application.

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(google translated from German, source: https://norberthaering.de/die-regenten-der-welt/bundestag-buergernummer/)

These are amazing developments. Who wouldn't want a free that will come with you where ever you go? You cannot forget your ID at home even if you wanted to now. Brilliant.

Germany stepped up her game once again. (yep, AGAIN) Leading us to our salvation. (We couldn't get enough of it last time.)

 

ID2020 is really amazing. You can learn more about it here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5320443.0

[franky1]

seems we have a conspiracy nut..

ok
well some facts
for decades government has used the social security number as both a government id and also a tax number and a social benefits number.

what you dont realise is that when it comes to healthcare. EU healthcare does not use social security number. people have a medical patient number.

vaccines, doctors appointments, are on a completely different system to social security numbers
they dont ask for social security numbers

passport numbers are another separate database. they dont ask for social security numbers
driving licence numbers are a separate database. they dont ask for social security numbers

to create a united database of a single ID whereby all government info and all health info are linked would take years.
its not something that is going to be implemented to be used by 'vaccine passport" or the normalisation plan of may-august 2021

and from the looks of it the government are not even going to implement it.

there is no biometric government ID+healthcare 'passport' that will link everything together and allow freedom of access to flights by 2021. and it appears there wont ever be.

in short people can get on a plane now and fly. they can get on a plane in a few months and fly.
the difference is that if you want to avoid a 'quarantine hotel' in a few months. you have to show that you are clear of the virus. this is in 3 DIFFERENT ways
1. covid negative test before and after departure
2. show the vaccine certificate
3. show you recovered from covid

the vaccine certificate is not some government ID. its just a piece of paper you get after a vaccine.. its basically a receipt. it has no leather cover. no photo. no address. it doesnt do anything but show you had a vaccine

but you dont need that. you can use other ways to show that you are able to fly healthily without affecting other passengers. (as noted 1.3)

in previous years i flew alot.
last year i didnt. not due to any government fears. but due to not wanting to be in a metal cylinder with hundreds of other people sharing their breath for multiple hours.

when i get vaccinated and im sure the other passengers are vaccinated too. ill be happy to fly again without the risk of a cesspit of covid breathe surrounding me.

if google or microsoft or apple or IBM have a database that requests people to record their vaccine receipt. and passport number is in no way the same things as ID2020 conspiracy

having a system that has linked your plane ticket to your vaccine does not mean they know your whole medical record or that you had a few speeding tickets or that you owe some tax

take your tin foil hat off,
just admit. you fear getting on a plane because of covid. and not because of your delusions of government implementing things that are not even implemented.
teach yourself the reality of why you dont want to get on a plane right now. because its not id2020 because we are in 2021 and there is no government ID and there wont be in 2021

[Poker Player]

I don't get why the antivaxxer nutjobs would want to socialize with the vaccine-infected 5g-irradiated plebs anyway. It seems to me that if you think this is a worldwide conspiracy, the best course of action is to sit at home and change your tinfoil underwear twice a day.

It's not as simple as that.

You can have rational doubts about vaccines, and believe that, for a healthy person, it is better not to take them, without believing in a world conspiracy or that people will die everywhere for taking them, as I have seen stated in this forum.

What I don't understand either is how there are people who, when there are so many billions of $ at stake, blindly trust the pharmaceutical companies.

[Natsuu]

I don't get why the antivaxxer nutjobs would want to socialize with the vaccine-infected 5g-irradiated plebs anyway. It seems to me that if you think this is a worldwide conspiracy, the best course of action is to sit at home and change your tinfoil underwear twice a day.

It's not as simple as that.

You can have rational doubts about vaccines, and believe that, for a healthy person, it is better not to take them, without believing in a world conspiracy or that people will die everywhere for taking them, as I have seen stated in this forum.

What I don't understand either is how there are people who, when there are so many billions of $ at stake, blindly trust the pharmaceutical companies.

Healthy person are the people who are in need to take the vaccination, as they has (we has) the lower risks for complications and such.

Doubting the vaccine starts when you simply look at the effects and effects itself without citing the articles, statements of the pharmaceuticals wherein they stated the possible risks embedded in taking the vaccine, especially for people who are old and who are sick.

P.S. Do not easily trust people who states whatever they say, without you, yourself taking a look at the researches, lab reports for you to conclude what you want to believe.

[mindrust]

What I don't understand either is how there are people who, when there are so many billions of $ at stake, blindly trust the pharmaceutical companies.

"Trust, don't verify"

That's our motto now. Why do you think Bill Gates or any other big-pharma company would do something to harm people?

Did they ever do this? No, of course not.

Pfizer for example is as innocent as a newborn baby.

Close your eyes and believe Poker Player. Everything will be great.

[cabron]

So lockdown still for those who chose to not get vaccinated. Yeep the world is not going to go back to its normal state that even when you are as healthy as a newborn, you will get a record on their system.  I always thought this kind of idea is going to come from China. It will still come from the pharms owned by countries who had been worse than the savage conquistadors.

[mindrust]

https://twitter.com/wef/status/1365614687514165248

https://archive.is/DkIqf

World Economic Forum dropped another bomb.

Look at these empty streets and roads. Isn't that great?

Soon homes will be empty too.

Thanks WEF & Klaus Schwab for making the world a better place for everybody.

[Natsuu]

https://twitter.com/wef/status/1365614687514165248

https://archive.is/DkIqf

World Economic Forum dropped another bomb.

Look at these empty streets and roads. Isn't that great?

Soon homes will be empty too.

Thanks WEF & Klaus Schwab for making the world a better place for everybody.

Isn't that the same on what you've posted a while ago. so its not another bomb they've dropped.

Anyway, just get vaccinated and your problems will go away. Easily.

[mindrust]

Nick Szabo's response to WEF:


https://twitter.com/NickSzabo4/status/1365712266671259650

I think Nick is a conspiracy theorist that doesn't know jack shit.

[mindrust]

The video that WEF deleted:

https://imgur.com/a/5Qi3RoS

[Pancho95]

It was their idea since the beginning. To make everyone take vaccine and keep the track about those who doesnt. It will make even bigger gap between poor and rich ones. Rich ones if they take vaccine they can travel and do whatever they want while the poor countries that cant make to get vaccinated are going to be isolated from the rest of the world. The passport is gonna have those information if you are vaccinated or not so there is no way you can cross the border if you didnt take vaccine. So in example, Germany wont let another people to enter if they didnt took their vaccine, even though you take in example russian or chinese vaccine. So the new cold war is about to begin and terror across the poor countries. It is sad that apple and google (you can read this as microsoft) are going to hurry up in realization their sick ideas. Just hope there is going to be enough people that are smart to stop them in all these crimes against humanity.

[Poker Player]

It was their idea since the beginning. To make everyone take vaccine and keep the track about those who doesnt. It will make even bigger gap between poor and rich ones. Rich ones if they take vaccine they can travel and do whatever they want while the poor countries that cant make to get vaccinated are going to be isolated from the rest of the world.

To be honest, I don't know where you got that idea mixing vaccines and the rich/poor gap but it makes no sense. It's more about ideology: the sheep and those who resist, who protest. We have seen restrictions imposed on individual freedoms, de facto compulsory vaccination, etc. for a virus whose overall mortality it's below 1%. This is not about rich and poor.

[Cnut237]

compulsory vaccination, etc. for a virus whose overall mortality it's below 1%. This is not about rich and poor.

It is to an extent about young and old, though. If you're young and healthy then chances are you won't suffer serious effects... but that's not really the point. If you're young and healthy and coughing Covid onto everyone, chances are you'll infect someone who is more vulnerable.

For the young and healthy, vaccination isn't so much about protecting the individual as it is about protecting the more vulnerable people in society. Same with face masks, social distancing, etc.
Anti-vaxxers can kill other people by refusing to take the vaccine.

It's more about ideology: the sheep and those who resist, who protest.

I think it's more about morality and empathy. The selfish, and those who want to protect everyone.

[eddie13]

Only vulnerable people should get the vaccine..
All of us healthy people should just eventually catch Covid and gain immunity the natural way..

What if I’ve already had Covid? You still are going to force me to get a vaccine so I can travel?

Fucking vaccine has worse side effects than Covid!!

I know a TON of people that have tested positive for Covid.. I don’t think even one had a fever or any even slightly severe cold/flu symptoms..
They most just say it was weird loosing their taste and smell for a little while..
MANY I know tested positive HAD NO SYMPTOMS AT ALL!!

And you want to inject me with something that will change my DNA?
Fuck that..

If your scared of Covid get the vaccine..
If you get the vaccine the. You don’t have to be afraid of my unvaccinated ass standing right next to you with no mask..


Y’all are ridiculous thinking everyone in the world needs the vaccine..
It’s insane..


Oh..
And if you are one of those types wearing 2 masks, you are an NPC and have NO IDEA how masks work..

I have real masks for everything from silica dust to chemical/biological weapon first response..
I know masks..
These face panties are a JOKE!!!
If a company put you in even just a dusty environment it would be ILLEGAL to wear one of these stupid masks.. They don’t do shit!! You don’t even really breathe THROUGH them..

Maybe they slightly reduce the spread of YOUR breath outwards, BUT THAT IS ALL!!

Wear as many as you want, they aren’t even filters of any type..
Dust, smoke, gasses, biologicals, chemicals, they don’t do shit to protect you..


If they really gave a shit they would be recommending p-100 masks.. They are even cheap!!
A good p100 mask only costs about the same as a pack of these face diapers, and then filters to change are only like $5! Maybe change em once a week (depending on environment)..

[Poker Player]

compulsory vaccination, etc. for a virus whose overall mortality it's below 1%. This is not about rich and poor.

It is to an extent about young and old, though. If you're young and healthy then chances are you won't suffer serious effects... but that's not really the point. If you're young and healthy and coughing Covid onto everyone, chances are you'll infect someone who is more vulnerable.

Precisely because it is a question of young and old, we are not going to think that people over 80 will live forever.

Restrictive measures should have been taken with the elderly and people with risk factors, but no politician has wanted to impose quarantines and lockdowns only on the elderly because they knew they had a lot of votes to lose.

For the young and healthy, vaccination isn't so much about protecting the individual as it is about protecting the more vulnerable people in society. Same with face masks, social distancing, etc.
Anti-vaxxers can kill other people by refusing to take the vaccine.

You don't know what current vaccines do. For people who get vaccinated they prevent them from get serious symptoms, so if you get vaccinated, you don't have to worry about me getting vaccinated or not. Anti-vaxxers is a word you have pulled out of your sleeve to disqualify without arguments. I am pro-vaccine, but I am against being forced to take this one.

It's more about ideology: the sheep and those who resist, who protest.

I think it's more about morality and empathy. The selfish, and those who want to protect everyone.

Here we go disqualifying again. So this is about morally superior beings and evil beings who refuse to get vaccines. Come on!