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April 20, 2021, 05:25:34 PM |
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What you are saying makes perfect sense, if I am lucky to win a big. When going to cashout to a bank account, there will definitely be a question of sources of income. I didn't think that far before, because until now I have never won in large numbers when playing gambling ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . If caught the source of income from gambling, my funds can be frozen or rejected ![Cry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cry.gif) . Maybe I will cashout gradually, so as not to be suspected. Or do you have any other good ideas? Maybe you can send the win money to the other wallets, such as private wallets or wallets on the exchanges, and you can start to withdraw gradually. At least, that is what I did so far. I do not withdraw thousands of dollars at once, and if I want to withdraw thousands of dollars, I will divide it into two or three parts and withdraw it three times. That will not sound the bank's alarms because that will look like a normal transaction. I wouldn't rely on that if I were you. At some point you want to cash out the money and financial authorities may scrutinize your account even in the future. What do you answer them if they ask you where the money comes from? Even if it's from another person because you sold from an exchange, they could ask you how you are related to that person. You are playing a dangerous game my friend! No, I do not think that the financial authorities will do that. But if they do that, I think I will answer that the money comes from other ways. I will give the proof to them and I think they will not be suspicious with that. If that money comes from the exchanges, the financial authorities will search for that exchange and maybe they will ask about that. That will not be a problem for me as I also trade on the exchange to make more money. We will have our way to withdraw the money, whether that is the money from gambling or the exchanges.
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May 03, 2021, 04:28:52 PM |
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What you are saying makes perfect sense, if I am lucky to win a big. When going to cashout to a bank account, there will definitely be a question of sources of income. I didn't think that far before, because until now I have never won in large numbers when playing gambling ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . If caught the source of income from gambling, my funds can be frozen or rejected ![Cry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cry.gif) . Maybe I will cashout gradually, so as not to be suspected. Or do you have any other good ideas? Maybe you can send the win money to the other wallets, such as private wallets or wallets on the exchanges, and you can start to withdraw gradually. At least, that is what I did so far. I do not withdraw thousands of dollars at once, and if I want to withdraw thousands of dollars, I will divide it into two or three parts and withdraw it three times. That will not sound the bank's alarms because that will look like a normal transaction. I wouldn't rely on that if I were you. At some point you want to cash out the money and financial authorities may scrutinize your account even in the future. What do you answer them if they ask you where the money comes from? Even if it's from another person because you sold from an exchange, they could ask you how you are related to that person. You are playing a dangerous game my friend! No, I do not think that the financial authorities will do that. But if they do that, I think I will answer that the money comes from other ways. I will give the proof to them and I think they will not be suspicious with that. If that money comes from the exchanges, the financial authorities will search for that exchange and maybe they will ask about that. That will not be a problem for me as I also trade on the exchange to make more money. We will have our way to withdraw the money, whether that is the money from gambling or the exchanges. I don't know where you come from but financial authorities usually cannot be cheated on as you are trying to explain it. If there is a single part of your story inconsistent or incoherent you will have a problem. Perhaps you are right and in your country it is not that difficult to present them with a fairytale about the origins of your wealth.
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May 03, 2021, 06:46:36 PM |
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A common question that I see asked is "do I need to pay tax on my crypto gambling winnings?". I decided to write an explainer for anyone in any doubt, feel free to give it a read here: https://bitedge.com/blog/crypto-gambling-taxes/Explained within are: - Which countries tax for crypto gambling winnings - Which US states are better to gamble as part of a business rather than personally - How to calculate any capital gains - Capital gains tax rules in different nations Let me know any comments on the rules, or any experiences you've had which may benefit myself or others. Hopefully this make crypto gambling a little bit easier for people! "I decided to write" - Very wrong ! You should not take merits for someone else's work, it's a hard job to write an article and it takes a lot of research and time. Other than that , it's really hard to sum up everything in a small post but I do think individual gamblers are already aware of the fact of the condition of their country or state. The issue of taxation is always very serious since you can be jailed or even banned 🚫 if you fail to do all the legal things on time. But most Gambling companies send the money in the wallet which is taken as Investments by my Government so I have not yet reached a point after which it would be taxed. Since, it's not like they are going to tax you for 100-200$. Therefore it's something to worry about only for the whales or the individuals who are investing big.
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May 03, 2021, 07:10:48 PM |
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In Spain there seems to be quite a bit of an exception for gaming income, particularly from "La Loteria". It is frequently used as a method to avoid taxes: Someone will buy a winning ticket of, let´s say, 1 million and will pay for it 1.3 million. Obviously that means that the money originally was undeclared and now is fully legal and not subject to taxes. There are cases in which some people have claimed to have won the lottery 6 times in a year ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) It’s good if they have winners and they will get the full amount of price but usually in other country like mine there are many rules to follow and deductions to be able to claim the rewatds and those deductions are said to go in taxes.
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May 03, 2021, 09:23:43 PM |
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It’s good if they have winners and they will get the full amount of price but usually in other country like mine there are many rules to follow and deductions to be able to claim the rewatds and those deductions are said to go in taxes. Gambling wins and rewards have a much bigger taxation but the advantage we have with online gambling is that we do not need to disclose the government that the earnings are from gambling and it is not that hard to set up a online job and provide these earnings as freelance payment and the only problem is you cannot withdraw very large amounts at once to avoid scrutiny.
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May 03, 2021, 11:30:25 PM |
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It’s good if they have winners and they will get the full amount of price but usually in other country like mine there are many rules to follow and deductions to be able to claim the rewatds and those deductions are said to go in taxes. Gambling wins and rewards have a much bigger taxation but the advantage we have with online gambling is that we do not need to disclose the government that the earnings are from gambling and it is not that hard to set up a online job and provide these earnings as freelance payment and the only problem is you cannot withdraw very large amounts at once to avoid scrutiny. One of the biggest problem i do have on how to cash out those earnings that i have gained not on gambling though but on investment on altcoins wayback in 2017 bull run. Where you would boggle up your mind on how to make those profits in cash and i have been making daily withdrawals with minimal amounts that cant really trigger out some flags which is a bit hassle but if you dont like to have some problems then its better to stick with it.
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michellee
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May 04, 2021, 06:22:45 PM |
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What you are saying makes perfect sense, if I am lucky to win a big. When going to cashout to a bank account, there will definitely be a question of sources of income. I didn't think that far before, because until now I have never won in large numbers when playing gambling ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . If caught the source of income from gambling, my funds can be frozen or rejected ![Cry](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cry.gif) . Maybe I will cashout gradually, so as not to be suspected. Or do you have any other good ideas? Maybe you can send the win money to the other wallets, such as private wallets or wallets on the exchanges, and you can start to withdraw gradually. At least, that is what I did so far. I do not withdraw thousands of dollars at once, and if I want to withdraw thousands of dollars, I will divide it into two or three parts and withdraw it three times. That will not sound the bank's alarms because that will look like a normal transaction. I wouldn't rely on that if I were you. At some point you want to cash out the money and financial authorities may scrutinize your account even in the future. What do you answer them if they ask you where the money comes from? Even if it's from another person because you sold from an exchange, they could ask you how you are related to that person. You are playing a dangerous game my friend! No, I do not think that the financial authorities will do that. But if they do that, I think I will answer that the money comes from other ways. I will give the proof to them and I think they will not be suspicious with that. If that money comes from the exchanges, the financial authorities will search for that exchange and maybe they will ask about that. That will not be a problem for me as I also trade on the exchange to make more money. We will have our way to withdraw the money, whether that is the money from gambling or the exchanges. I don't know where you come from but financial authorities usually cannot be cheated on as you are trying to explain it. If there is a single part of your story inconsistent or incoherent you will have a problem. Perhaps you are right and in your country it is not that difficult to present them with a fairytale about the origins of your wealth. I hope they will not ask many things so I do not have to cheated them because I do not want to do that. But I think if our wealth comes from the crypto, I guess they will not find it unless we send the money from the third party services to our bank account because that can make them easily know how much our wealth. So far, the financial authorities are not trying to investigate people who won from online gambling, but I do not what will happen in the future. Still, if they found that someone is playing gambling in an offline casino, they will investigate it.
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May 04, 2021, 09:11:38 PM |
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Still, if they found that someone is playing gambling in an offline casino, they will investigate it.
What do you mean by the offline casino? Gambling in physical one? Sometimes, winnings here are directly withdrawn by cash. If there's a tax involved, that was already deducted by the casino upon cashing it out. No investigation should be made here by the authorities. Different story if we are talking about illegal gambling place.
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blockman
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May 04, 2021, 09:17:14 PM |
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Still, if they found that someone is playing gambling in an offline casino, they will investigate it.
What do you mean by the offline casino? Gambling in physical one? Yes, that seems to be it about offline, the physical casino. Sometimes, winnings here are directly withdrawn by cash. If there's a tax involved, that was already deducted by the casino upon cashing it out. No investigation should be made here by the authorities.
Different story if we are talking about illegal gambling place.
For verification, a gambler can ask that to the concierge or any staff before proceeding if he wants to make sure about paying taxes from his winnings. That won't hurt a lot if it's already deducted and you've won that much by that time.
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May 05, 2021, 12:12:29 PM |
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Still, if they found that someone is playing gambling in an offline casino, they will investigate it.
What do you mean by the offline casino? Gambling in physical one? Yes, that seems to be it about offline, the physical casino. Sometimes, winnings here are directly withdrawn by cash. If there's a tax involved, that was already deducted by the casino upon cashing it out. No investigation should be made here by the authorities.
Different story if we are talking about illegal gambling place.
For verification, a gambler can ask that to the concierge or any staff before proceeding if he wants to make sure about paying taxes from his winnings. That won't hurt a lot if it's already deducted and you've won that much by that time. Yes, that is right. It is the physical casino. If we won a lot of money, maybe the tax can be 10%-15% from all of the total money we want to withdraw and I think that still a lot of money that we can get. So that will not be a problem for us if we're going to cash out the money. But no matter what it is, if that money is sent into our bank account and that is a lot of money, the authorities can ask us and investigate where the money comes from. If that money comes from a gambling place while gambling is prohibited in our country, they can get the money and investigate further.
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May 05, 2021, 03:09:24 PM |
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Yes, that is right. It is the physical casino.
If we won a lot of money, maybe the tax can be 10%-15% from all of the total money we want to withdraw and I think that still a lot of money that we can get. So that will not be a problem for us if we're going to cash out the money.
That's still a lot of money honestly if you're winning big in physical or online casinos. But the tax varies from the jurisdiction of the country you're living in about gambling tax. But no matter what it is, if that money is sent into our bank account and that is a lot of money, the authorities can ask us and investigate where the money comes from. If that money comes from a gambling place while gambling is prohibited in our country, they can get the money and investigate further.
AFAIK, they're stricter if the money comes from gambling or that was just an overheard statement and banks won't care if it's coming from a direct deposit from a casino.
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michellee
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May 07, 2021, 02:57:27 PM |
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Yes, that is right. It is the physical casino.
If we won a lot of money, maybe the tax can be 10%-15% from all of the total money we want to withdraw and I think that still a lot of money that we can get. So that will not be a problem for us if we're going to cash out the money.
That's still a lot of money honestly if you're winning big in physical or online casinos. But the tax varies from the jurisdiction of the country you're living in about gambling tax. As long as we still get the biggest money from the withdrawal, I think that is enough for us because we do not use too big money to gamble and win for some money. But that will be different if we use big money to gamble, and we already have an experience of losing that money, but after a while, we can win so much money. Maybe that still a big winning for us. But we need to check on how big the taxes will apply to our win money. But no matter what it is, if that money is sent into our bank account and that is a lot of money, the authorities can ask us and investigate where the money comes from. If that money comes from a gambling place while gambling is prohibited in our country, they can get the money and investigate further.
AFAIK, they're stricter if the money comes from gambling or that was just an overheard statement and banks won't care if it's coming from a direct deposit from a casino. Stricter or not, that will depend on the government regulations on each country. Maybe in some country that allows gambling, they will use a strict regulation while in the other country which does not have regulations for people who play online gambling do not use tax for them.
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May 07, 2021, 03:13:01 PM |
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Yes, that is right. It is the physical casino.
If we won a lot of money, maybe the tax can be 10%-15% from all of the total money we want to withdraw and I think that still a lot of money that we can get. So that will not be a problem for us if we're going to cash out the money.
That's still a lot of money honestly if you're winning big in physical or online casinos. But the tax varies from the jurisdiction of the country you're living in about gambling tax. As long as we still get the biggest money from the withdrawal, I think that is enough for us because we do not use too big money to gamble and win for some money. But that will be different if we use big money to gamble, and we already have an experience of losing that money, but after a while, we can win so much money. Maybe that still a big winning for us. But we need to check on how big the taxes will apply to our win money. If you want to avoid taxes you need to prove to authorities your losses surpassed the winnings during the yearly period. They can't tax a gambler if he has been losing more than winning, because actually there isn't any profit to be taxed. This way very few gamblers are taxed from their gambling activity and most people shouldn't worry about it. Authorities make much more income taxing casinos than the gamblers themselves. What ironically is also valid for countries where gambling is illegal.
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May 07, 2021, 04:32:43 PM |
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Yes, that is right. It is the physical casino.
If we won a lot of money, maybe the tax can be 10%-15% from all of the total money we want to withdraw and I think that still a lot of money that we can get. So that will not be a problem for us if we're going to cash out the money.
That's still a lot of money honestly if you're winning big in physical or online casinos. But the tax varies from the jurisdiction of the country you're living in about gambling tax. As long as we still get the biggest money from the withdrawal, I think that is enough for us because we do not use too big money to gamble and win for some money. But that will be different if we use big money to gamble, and we already have an experience of losing that money, but after a while, we can win so much money. Maybe that still a big winning for us. But we need to check on how big the taxes will apply to our win money. If you want to avoid taxes you need to prove to authorities your losses surpassed the winnings during the yearly period. They can't tax a gambler if he has been losing more than winning, because actually there isn't any profit to be taxed. This way very few gamblers are taxed from their gambling activity and most people shouldn't worry about it. Authorities make much more income taxing casinos than the gamblers themselves. What ironically is also valid for countries where gambling is illegal. I guess that it is not easy to avoid taxes as they will search from your account and that is easy for the authorities to find from where you got that money. If they see you get the money from gambling while in your country, gambling is allowed, they will ask you to pay some money for the taxes. I do not know if losing gamblers are also taxed or not because that will depend on their regulation. The gambling industry paying much money to the government and that can be the income for the country.
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May 07, 2021, 04:42:18 PM |
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I guess that it is not easy to avoid taxes as they will search from your account and that is easy for the authorities to find from where you got that money. If they see you get the money from gambling while in your country, gambling is allowed, they will ask you to pay some money for the taxes. I do not know if losing gamblers are also taxed or not because that will depend on their regulation. The gambling industry paying much money to the government and that can be the income for the country.
Why would people even avoid paying taxes anyway? If you made good money, just pay them their cut and get on with it. I know it sucks to pay the government but it is still better than going to jail. Instead of worrying about it everyday and having bad dreams at about it night, paying them makes a lot more sense. If you decided not to pay however, you should have a very good plan. It must be very good because the IRS is better than you think so I've heard.
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May 07, 2021, 07:17:42 PM |
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@OP, I didn't get a hold of a few things that I'd like to openly ask here:
What if a gambler cheats the tax system by saying that he lost more and his tax amount doesn't come in the slab provided so he won't pay anything?
What to do when the price of the crypto we play with (let's say dogecoin) rises over 500-1000% during that one year itself and you've also made more than 100x your bankroll by gambling? How will you deal with it?
What if a gambler decides to keep his crypto or just sell it and keep USDT with him or sell some stake and keep both, but doesn't disclose anything to their tax man? Because online casinos which are crypto based, hardly ask for SSN numbers even at the time of verification I guess. So how will these organisations be able to catch the gambler here?
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May 07, 2021, 08:35:53 PM |
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Yes, that is right. It is the physical casino.
If we won a lot of money, maybe the tax can be 10%-15% from all of the total money we want to withdraw and I think that still a lot of money that we can get. So that will not be a problem for us if we're going to cash out the money.
That's still a lot of money honestly if you're winning big in physical or online casinos. But the tax varies from the jurisdiction of the country you're living in about gambling tax. As long as we still get the biggest money from the withdrawal, I think that is enough for us because we do not use too big money to gamble and win for some money. But that will be different if we use big money to gamble, and we already have an experience of losing that money, but after a while, we can win so much money. Maybe that still a big winning for us. But we need to check on how big the taxes will apply to our win money. Yes, you even have no choice if it's mandatory. As long as you're getting those huge wins, it won't hurt you if there are some deductions. But no matter what it is, if that money is sent into our bank account and that is a lot of money, the authorities can ask us and investigate where the money comes from. If that money comes from a gambling place while gambling is prohibited in our country, they can get the money and investigate further.
AFAIK, they're stricter if the money comes from gambling or that was just an overheard statement and banks won't care if it's coming from a direct deposit from a casino. Stricter or not, that will depend on the government regulations on each country. Maybe in some country that allows gambling, they will use a strict regulation while in the other country which does not have regulations for people who play online gambling do not use tax for them. I know that there really are countries that are not strict because they're into the gambling industry but I guess they're only few.
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May 07, 2021, 08:48:05 PM |
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Yes, that is right. It is the physical casino.
If we won a lot of money, maybe the tax can be 10%-15% from all of the total money we want to withdraw and I think that still a lot of money that we can get. So that will not be a problem for us if we're going to cash out the money.
That's still a lot of money honestly if you're winning big in physical or online casinos. But the tax varies from the jurisdiction of the country you're living in about gambling tax. As long as we still get the biggest money from the withdrawal, I think that is enough for us because we do not use too big money to gamble and win for some money. But that will be different if we use big money to gamble, and we already have an experience of losing that money, but after a while, we can win so much money. Maybe that still a big winning for us. But we need to check on how big the taxes will apply to our win money. If you want to avoid taxes you need to prove to authorities your losses surpassed the winnings during the yearly period. They can't tax a gambler if he has been losing more than winning, because actually there isn't any profit to be taxed. This way very few gamblers are taxed from their gambling activity and most people shouldn't worry about it. Authorities make much more income taxing casinos than the gamblers themselves. What ironically is also valid for countries where gambling is illegal. I guess that it is not easy to avoid taxes as they will search from your account and that is easy for the authorities to find from where you got that money. If they see you get the money from gambling while in your country, gambling is allowed, they will ask you to pay some money for the taxes. I do not know if losing gamblers are also taxed or not because that will depend on their regulation. The gambling industry paying much money to the government and that can be the income for the country. I'm saying regards losing gamblers specifically. Lack of knowledge can lead some people to pay taxes even if they shouldn't, that is the case of being in loss and charged by the government to pay gambling taxes. If it happens the person can appeal and show his previous losses. Adding the won prize to the previous losses it's possible to prove the individual lost more than won, so it's not needed to pay anything. And I really doubt there is any country which enforces a regulation where losing gamblers must pay something.
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carlfebz2
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May 07, 2021, 08:55:43 PM |
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Still, if they found that someone is playing gambling in an offline casino, they will investigate it.
What do you mean by the offline casino? Gambling in physical one? Sometimes, winnings here are directly withdrawn by cash. If there's a tax involved, that was already deducted by the casino upon cashing it out. No investigation should be made here by the authorities. Different story if we are talking about illegal gambling place. Most of the time this will particularly talks into those heavily regulated fiat casino where taxes would be imposed but actually this do matter on government regulations and we know that this will really vary from each country since it does have different sets of laws and regulations when it comes to taxation.So this would really vary. So as a gambler then you would need to seek out those legal things or about taxation on how wide is the scope is if its included on gambling sector or not but if you cant find one then this wont really be an issue.
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michellee
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May 08, 2021, 01:36:16 PM |
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Why would people even avoid paying taxes anyway? If you made good money, just pay them their cut and get on with it. I know it sucks to pay the government but it is still better than going to jail. Instead of worrying about it everyday and having bad dreams at about it night, paying them makes a lot more sense. If you decided not to pay however, you should have a very good plan. It must be very good because the IRS is better than you think so I've heard.
Um, I do not know. Maybe they do not want to pay high taxes or think that all of the money is their money, which does not come from their income. But I agree with you that no matter what it is, we should follow the government rule, and if we need to pay taxes, we should pay it. Maybe we can ask the government to reduce the tax amount because that does not come from our sources of income. I'm saying regards losing gamblers specifically. Lack of knowledge can lead some people to pay taxes even if they shouldn't, that is the case of being in loss and charged by the government to pay gambling taxes. If it happens the person can appeal and show his previous losses. Adding the won prize to the previous losses it's possible to prove the individual lost more than won, so it's not needed to pay anything. And I really doubt there is any country which enforces a regulation where losing gamblers must pay something.
But I do not think that they can win from the government if they appeal and show the losses as the government can still get the money. But that will be different if we won the prizes and have big money from gambling. But it seems not fair for the losing gamblers to pay the taxes because they already lose in gambling and pay the taxes.
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