Chipmixer campaign by the constant pressure of the hypocrite?

[actmyname]

Correct. After the ChipMixer gang sends all the Russians and Turks to Madagascar, they will have achieved their goal of monopolizing the forum - after all, what other reason would they have to hire so many users to spread their website across the website? It couldn't possibly be to target any real users: who in the world would ever want to willingly donate their inputs to a mixing service?

This forum is just a shell platform to host the next criminal hub of activities, of course.FWIW it would be quite hassle-free to launder money through the many casinos the crypto space has to offer: no problem with that? Never mind the fact that gambling is just an elaborate con, like knowingly playing with a rigged coin.

[suchmoon]

FWIW it would be quite hassle-free to launder money through the many casinos the crypto space has to offer: no problem with that? Never mind the fact that gambling is just an elaborate con, like knowingly playing with a rigged coin.

Come to think of it, Bitcoin was obviously invented for criminals. There is absolutely no conceivable reason why a law abiding person would want to be their own bank and keep their financials private. Preposterous.

[Poker Player]

I was quite surprised how people started complaining in the CM thread that they were paying too much, leading to the subsequent drop in rates. As it usually happens, it is full of envious people, who when they see that someone earns a lot, instead of trying to improve themselves more, what they want is for the other to earn less. I'm sure when CM finally lowered the rates some of those who complained had an orgasm.

[~DefaultTrust]

FWIW it would be quite hassle-free to launder money through the many casinos the crypto space has to offer: no problem with that?

No problem.
Especially if these launder's schemes will be advertised by people who call themselves fighters against scammers. Everything is fine of course here.

[zanezane]

I was quite surprised how people started complaining in the CM thread that they were paying too much, leading to the subsequent drop in rates. As it usually happens, it is full of envious people, who when they see that someone earns a lot, instead of trying to improve themselves more, what they want is for the other to earn less. I'm sure when CM finally lowered the rates some of those who complained had an orgasm.

I feel bad that they were pressured to drop their rates, I mean the participants of their campaign are pretty good and almost everyone if not is posting quality posts which is commendable. I thought at first that the drop in the rates were because the price of bitcoin jumped so high to the point that they have to adjust but then I say that what they are paying in bitcoin is a fixed equivalent, although I am not a fan of the service itself as it is a laundering paradise, I think it is unfair that they are going to have the participants take the blow too.

[o_e_l_e_o]

it is quite obvious they get massive income from hackers and scammers

The best evidence I am aware of from Chainalysis shows that only 8% of funds being sent to mixers are from illicit sources. Please present your evidence that refutes this and shows instead "massive income" from illicit sources.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Perhaps due to the fact that the members of the Chipmixer's campaign (and their sycophants) are most aggressive in their behavior on the forum.

If by "aggressive" you mean outspoken, I'd have to say only a few of the Chipmixer campaign members have that trait--i.e., there are just a few voices that are very loud, but if you look at the entire spreadsheet you'll see that most participants aren't the ones engaging in drama or voicing their strong opinions about things.  So you've overgeneralized everyone in the campaign.

The best evidence I am aware of from Chainalysis shows that only 8% of funds being sent to mixers are from illicit sources. Please present your evidence that refutes this and shows instead "massive income" from illicit sources.

Huh, that's interesting.  I didn't even know you could check that out.  I also don't see what all the hooplah is about Chipmixer being used for illicit activity.  Cryptocurrency is all about privacy, right?  Are privacy coins inherently evil?  Is cash inherently evil?  I'd say no to the last two questions, and I don't see a service that enhances financial privacy to be a bad thing.  Sure it could be used by bad folks for bad reasons, but so can a lot of other things--including the internet itself. 

Why Chipmixer is being singled out here is beyond me.

[Lucius]

I'm not going to sort out the sorts of shit. Just took the words of one of your gang
You there figure it out among yourself how much you get paid.

Past and present, two different things, did you skip that day at school when they explained the difference? I promote CM because I believe that this service brings a lot more good than bad, and if you check my payment address you can see that I haven't spent a single satoshi in more than 2 years since I joined the campaign - maybe I donate everything to charity one day.

I'm also not interested in any shit-services about this forum. I use official information https://bitcointalk.org/SSI.php?ssi_function=whosOnline

You probably think someone is forging data for something? I know that the official statistics actually suit you better because it gives information about currently online users - 3000 daily active users does not fit into your theory that there is no point in advertising on the forum.

[~DefaultTrust]

If by "aggressive" you mean outspoken, I'd have to say only a few of the Chipmixer campaign members have that trait--i.e., there are just a few voices that are very loud, but if you look at the entire spreadsheet you'll see that most participants aren't the ones engaging in drama or voicing their strong opinions about things.  So you've overgeneralized everyone in the campaign.

You're right. Not everyone in this campaign is upstart and screamer. I mean only the most noisy ones because they are heard most of all. I think it's obvious.

The best evidence I am aware of from Chainalysis shows that only 8% of funds being sent to mixers are from illicit sources. Please present your evidence that refutes this and shows instead "massive income" from illicit sources.

Very simple math.
CM spends just for fun to advertise on a half-dead forum
~$150к per week = $600к per month.

How much does a healthy (normal) businessman usually spend on advertising? Well, let's say that the owner of CM has a sick brain and spends 30% of his profits on BTT.
So CM earns ~$2000к every month

What makes up CM's profit? They claim to be from donations. LOL of course, but let's say....
How much percent of their monthly earnings do brain-healthy people spend on donations? Honestly, I don’t know, but I think it’s definitely not more than 10%.

Does this mean some people transfer no less than $ 20,000,000 through the CM every month?
Well, obviously, these translations are done by honest people who just like libertarian ideas. Do you agree?

Past and present, two different things, did you skip that day at school when they explained the difference?

When you learn Russian as well as I do English, then come here to measure my penis.

I promote CM because I believe that this service brings a lot more good than bad,

Some people believe in the existence of dragons and ghosts. How does this characterize them in your opinion?

about currently online users - 3000 daily active users does not fit into your theory that there is no point in advertising on the forum.

What do you know about theories? Show off your Ph.D.
3000 active users: 1/3 are spambots, 1/3 are disposable newbies, the rest are real users plus their alternative accounts (~50/50 proportion). Here's my theory. It fits well with official data about users online.

[suchmoon]

~$150к per week = $600к per month.

LOL stop making such obvious shit up.

$300 max, less than 60 users - can't be more than $18k a week unless you failed 3rd grade math.

In reality it's around $8k because not everyone makes max posts. The spreadsheet is public.

[actmyname]

LOL stop making such obvious shit up.

$300 max, less than 60 users - can't be more than $18k a week unless you failed 3rd grade math.

In reality it's around $8k because not everyone makes max posts. The spreadsheet is public.

That's where you're wrong: the calculation, in reality, isn't even $300 per user.
It's not even the past figure of 0.0375BTC/user - that would grant a figure in USD value that is only 86% worth the ~150k/week.

The claim is: over 0.043 BTC at current rates^[~57.5k] per user, per week.

What makes up CM's profit? They claim to be from donations. LOL of course, but let's say....
How much percent of their monthly earnings do brain-healthy people spend on donations? Honestly, I don’t know, but I think it’s definitely not more than 10%.

This is an odd statement to use for a mixer, which can be used independently of your wage.

I'm a bit confused: how do you think ChipMixer makes its income? Bear in mind: people have to either donate or send an arbitrary amount below 0.001 that is reduced due to the chip sizes.

[Hhampuz]

Another day, another CM thread. They're really getting their moneys worth at this forum, no matter your opinion of them 

[~DefaultTrust]

~$150к per week = $600к per month.

LOL stop making such obvious shit up.

$300 max, less than 60 users - can't be more than $18k a week unless you failed 3rd grade math.

In reality it's around $8k because not everyone makes max posts. The spreadsheet is public.

Oh, forgive me. I am not following your employer. Seems that the posts now multiplying by dollars but not bitcoins? What a pity (((
It turns out that CM spends only ~ $ 30,000 per month on advertising.

It turns out that I was wrong in five parts, unless of course the owner of CM is really so generous (gives the DS_ ~30% of the income).
This means that CM's entire income is only ~ $ 100,000 per month.

send an arbitrary amount below 0.001 that is reduced due to the chip sizes.

So how many transfers should people make through CM? So that it would receive an income of ~ $ 100,000 per month? I just contacted the Nobel Committee and they told me:
$100 000 /  0.001 = $100 000 000 per month.

Well, ok. Now it has become abundantly clear that such amounts can be transferred every month only by bespectacled libertarians who make money by lecturing on cryptography.
Thanks for the explanation

[actmyname]

send an arbitrary amount below 0.001 that is reduced due to the chip sizes.

So how many transfers should people make through CM? So that it would receive an income of ~ $ 100,000 per month? I just contacted the Nobel Committee and they told me:
$100 000 /  0.001 = $100 000 000 per month.

What is this calculation? Apply some units: 100 000 dollars per month divided by 0.001 BTC = 100 million dollars per month. Unclear where the BTC comes into play to transform into extra money or why you're dividing the dollar figure by the BTC value - such an equation would be useful when you want to discover the price of BTC when 0.001 BTC = $100 000.

If you grant that the income is solely through some 0.001 BTC amount per transfer, then you come to a figure of (assuming ~US$55K/BTC) about 1800 transactions per month, averaging 60 a day.

[~DefaultTrust]

If you grant that the income is solely through some 0.001 BTC amount per transfer, then you come to a figure of (assuming ~US$55K/BTC) about 1800 transactions per month, averaging 60 a day.

You right "about 1800 transactions per month" in this case.
So, if only 0.01 BTC in each transaction then only 18 BTC or ~ $1 000 000 per month are going through the CM. Indeed, modestly ))

[o_e_l_e_o]

You can make up calculations with numbers you have pulled out of thin air all you like. None of that disproves the best evidence we currently have, which I linked to above, which shows that only small minority of funds being mixed come from illicit sources. The most common source of coins being mixed is directly from exchanges, by average users who are rejecting the mass surveillance being performed by centralized exchanges.

If you have actual evidence to disprove this then please present it. Baseless speculation is meaningless.

[~DefaultTrust]

You can make up calculations with numbers you have pulled out of thin air all you like. None of that disproves the best evidence we currently have, which I linked to above, which shows that only small minority of funds being mixed come from illicit sources. The most common source of coins being mixed is directly from exchanges, by average users who are rejecting the mass surveillance being performed by centralized exchanges.

If you have actual evidence to disprove this then please present it. Baseless speculation is meaningless.

I understand your point of view: most cannibals live in Africa, so all cannibals live there until proven otherwise

[o_e_l_e_o]

I understand your point of view: most cannibals live in Africa, so all cannibals live there until proven otherwise

Great strawman. Let me know when you want to present any evidence whatsoever.

[~DefaultTrust]

Great strawman. Let me know when you want to present any evidence whatsoever.

Why do you need proof? I am not your judge or prosecutor. Continue to advertise the service of pedophiles and drug dealers.

[o_e_l_e_o]

Why do you need proof?

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