Bitcoin Forum
June 15, 2024, 02:52:02 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Pages: [1] 2 3 »  All
  Print  
Author Topic: Twitter hackers pleads guilty and agree to a 3 year in prison  (Read 329 times)
Yaunfitda (OP)
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 2884
Merit: 596



View Profile
March 19, 2021, 10:21:25 AM
Merited by vapourminer (1), cryptomaniac_xxx (1)
 #1

I'm pretty sure that the Twitter hack is still fresh in our memory, this is high profile because it involves a lot of crypto exchanges like, @coinbase, @Gemini, and @binance and then celebrities, @JeffBezos, @BarackObama, @elon_musk, @JoeBiden, @BillGates, and @WarrenBuffett.

And Graham Ivan Clark was charge last year and now agreed on Tuesday to be sentenced as a youthful offender to three years in prison, + three years of probation.

Here are the official docs: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20515610-plea-agreement-acknowledgment-of-waiver-of-rights-bc-6f018852-673e-4df1-85da-4c5629856265

https://www.sao13th.com/2021/03/prosecutors-reach-plea-agreement-in-case-of-twitter-hacker-graham-clark/ (please note that access might be block for some region due to security reasons).

What are your thoughts of the sentencing? he has served seven months already of the three years sentenced on him.

███████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████████
███▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀███████████
█████████████▀▀        ▀▀██████
██████▀▀▀▀▀▀              ▀████
██████████▀     ▄▄██▄▄     ▀███
██████████      ██████      ███
██████████▄     ▀▀██▀▀     ▄███
██████▄▄▄▄▄▄              ▄████
█████████████▄▄        ▄▄██████
███▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄███████████
███████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████████
.
|
▄▄███████▄▄
▄████▀▀▀▀▀▀▀████▄
▄███▀▄▄███████▄▄▀███▄
▄██▀▄█▀▀▀█████▀▀▀█▄▀██▄
▄██▄██████▀████░███▄██▄
███░████████▀██░████░███
███░████░█▄████▀░████░███
███░████░███▄████████░███
▀██▄▀███░█████▄█████▀▄██▀
▀██▄▀█▄▄▄██████▄██▀▄██▀
▀███▄▀▀███████▀▀▄███▀
▀████▄▄▄▄▄▄▄████▀
▀▀███████▀▀
SSC NAPOLI
OFFICIAL EUROPEAN
BETTING PARTNER
|.ROLLBOTS.|
▄▄███████▄▄
▄███████████████▄
▄███████████████████▄
▄██▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀█████▄
▄█████████▀████████▀████▄
██████▄▄▄█████▄▄█████████
█████████████████████████
██████▀▀▀█████▀▀█████████
▀█████████▄████████▄████▀
▀██▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄█████▀
▀███████████████████▀
▀███████████████▀
▀▀███████▀▀
ROLLBIT COIN
TRADE RLB NOW!
|...PLAY NOW...
Oshosondy
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1484
Merit: 1146


Gamble responsibly


View Profile
March 19, 2021, 10:28:53 AM
 #2

There is nothing bad for 3 years jail term, it is not bad at all if truly found guilty, has he confirmed it true, then 3 years is good. But this does not stop other scammers and criminal hackers from doing their work to exploit money from people, this is what we should concentrate on, to never trust anyone online, use 2fa to protect our social media accounts, having the 2fa hardware or having the software on a different device, this will be enough to protect us from such hackers while we should all the time also think of other possible means to protect ourselves from online hackers and scammers generally.

██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
... LIVECASINO.io    Play Live Games with up to 20% cashback!...██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
sunsilk
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 2954
Merit: 620



View Profile
March 19, 2021, 10:35:09 AM
 #3

That's a short term jail time for him. During the past years, when there were hackings like this but don't involve a scam, they were hiring and taking the hacker into the company that has been hacked. But in this case, it has scam involved so I do not think that even Twitter will take him.

But that doesn't change the fact that this kid has hijacked Twitter and accounts that were affected are not normal accounts but from prominent people of the society and can be classified as premium.

Dave1
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1344
Merit: 538



View Profile
March 19, 2021, 10:52:00 AM
 #4

I think him pleading guilty really help him reduce the sentence.

And as he has served already, in just a couple of years he could be out and then probation in three years. I think that's good enough. He is still young and maybe that's one reason that the sentence is not that harsh for some of us. Institutions are trying to give him a chance to redeem himself and use his talent in good way that can help the society. Like fighting flaws in a system or try to break it, sort of becoming a white ethical hacker or something.

R


▀▀▀▀▀▀▀██████▄▄
████████████████
▀▀▀▀█████▀▀▀█████
████████▌███▐████
▄▄▄▄█████▄▄▄█████
████████████████
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄██████▀▀
LLBIT
  CRYPTO   
FUTURES
 1,000x 
LEVERAGE
COMPETITIVE
    FEES    
 INSTANT 
EXECUTION
.
   TRADE NOW   
masterzino
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1218
Merit: 513



View Profile
March 19, 2021, 12:41:40 PM
 #5

I'm pretty sure that the Twitter hack is still fresh in our memory, this is high profile because it involves a lot of crypto exchanges like, @coinbase, @Gemini, and @binance and then celebrities, @JeffBezos, @BarackObama, @elon_musk, @JoeBiden, @BillGates, and @WarrenBuffett.

And Graham Ivan Clark was charge last year and now agreed on Tuesday to be sentenced as a youthful offender to three years in prison, + three years of probation.

Here are the official docs: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/20515610-plea-agreement-acknowledgment-of-waiver-of-rights-bc-6f018852-673e-4df1-85da-4c5629856265

https://www.sao13th.com/2021/03/prosecutors-reach-plea-agreement-in-case-of-twitter-hacker-graham-clark/ (please note that access might be block for some region due to security reasons).

What are your thoughts of the sentencing? he has served seven months already of the three years sentenced on him.

Bad timing Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

After all the hacked accounts and stunts, they managed to get a total of under $200k.

Just check how many idiots bit on the latest 'Tesla x10' giveaway...

Spack17
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1652
Merit: 273


View Profile
March 19, 2021, 12:53:31 PM
 #6

I think him pleading guilty really help him reduce the sentence.

And as he has served already, in just a couple of years he could be out and then probation in three years. I think that's good enough. He is still young and maybe that's one reason that the sentence is not that harsh for some of us. Institutions are trying to give him a chance to redeem himself and use his talent in good way that can help the society. Like fighting flaws in a system or try to break it, sort of becoming a white ethical hacker or something.

I exactly think the same way with you. He is still very young and I hope that it will be a very good lesson for him. And it looks like he really has a big talent on hacking and I think the government should convince him to be a white ethical hacker and work for the sake of his country.
Botnake
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 2856
Merit: 667



View Profile
March 19, 2021, 01:21:45 PM
 #7

how much he stole by the way?

I guess 3 years is not that long though, he plead guilty so it will start counting and he can still get out with that money if its still on him. Looks like not a serious crime since the punishment is 3 years only, but I'm hoping people read this so they'll be aware of this kind of scam he made.

█████▄▄██
███▄█████
██▄███████▄
████████████████
███▀██████████▀
██▄████████████▄
░█████▀▀▀▀▀▀█████
████▀████████▀████
▀▀▀▀▄▄▄▄▄█████████
█████▀███████▄████
███████▀▀▄▄▄█████
███████████████▀
████████████▀▀
OMBARD.com|.
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀
██████░██░████░██
▄▄░▄▄░▄▄░▄▄░▄▄░▄▄▄▄
▀▀░▀▀░▀▀░▀▀░▀▀░▀▀▀▀
██████████████
▄▄░▄▄▄▄░▄▄░▄▄▄▄▄▄
▀▀░▀▀▀▀░▀▀░▀▀▀▀▀▀
██░██░██████████
▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄░▄▄░▄▄▄▄
▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀░▀▀░▀▀▀▀
.
PICK,
PLAY,
PROSPER!
|.

██████
██████████
██████████
██████████████
████████████████
████████████████
████████████████
████████████████
████████████████
█████████████████   ██
PROVABLY
FAIR
1%█████████████████   ██
HOUSE
EDGE
100%█████████████████   ██
DEPOSIT
BONUS
.
  Play now  
semobo
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 1498
Merit: 146


View Profile
March 19, 2021, 01:25:11 PM
 #8


Jail term looks too small compared to what he did in the social media community because almost every popular person's account got hacked and used to stole money from the people with the name of giveaway. I am not sure how much money was recovered/seized from the scammer until now.
rdbase
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2912
Merit: 1514


Join the world-leading crypto sportsbook NOW!


View Profile WWW
March 19, 2021, 01:35:07 PM
 #9

Jail term definitely looks small in comparison to several life sentences that Ross got for far less of an impact to big corporations and could of cost them billions in damage control to their reputations if this kid-hacker got away and did it again.

source: https://www.engadget.com/twitter-bitcoin-hacker-three-years-prison-055216121.html

So this kid who hacked into all those twitter accounts to cyphen out $173k worth in bitcoins and comprimising a massive social media platform costing them millions in a PR mess only gets 3 years in prison while Dread pirate roberts gets life?
Ahhh okay. Roll Eyes
Check out the thread above quoted about this twitter hacker who could of kept on scamming people on and on causing havok to Jack Dorsey's media platform on how they handle it's security procedures alone.
One word for another to take this one's place in the future: Exploit.

  ▄▄███████▄███████▄▄▄
 █████████████
▀▀▀▀▀▀████▄▄
███████████████
       ▀▀███▄
███████████████
          ▀███
 █████████████
             ███
███████████▀▀               ███
███                         ███
███                         ███
 ███                       ███
  ███▄                   ▄███
   ▀███▄▄             ▄▄███▀
     ▀▀████▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄████▀▀
         ▀▀▀███████▀▀▀
░░░████▄▄▄▄
░▄▄░
▄▄███████▄▀█████▄▄
██▄████▌▐█▌█████▄██
████▀▄▄▄▌███░▄▄▄▀████
██████▄▄▄█▄▄▄██████
█░███████░▐█▌░███████░█
▀▀██▀░██░▐█▌░██░▀██▀▀
▄▄▄░█▀░█░██░▐█▌░██░█░▀█░▄▄▄
██▀░░░░▀██░▐█▌░██▀░░░░▀██
▀██
█████▄███▀▀██▀▀███▄███████▀
▀███████████████████████▀
▀▀▀▀███████████▀▀▀▀
▄▄██████▄▄
▀█▀
█  █▀█▀
  ▄█  ██  █▄  ▄
█ ▄█ █▀█▄▄█▀█ █▄ █
▀▄█ █ ███▄▄▄▄███ █ █▄▀
▀▀ █    ▄▄▄▄    █ ▀▀
   ██████   █
█     ▀▀     █
▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄
▄ ██████▀▀██████ ▄
▄████████ ██ ████████▄
▀▀███████▄▄███████▀▀
▀▀▀████████▀▀▀
█████████████LEADING CRYPTO SPORTSBOOK & CASINO█████████████
MULTI
CURRENCY
1500+
CASINO GAMES
CRYPTO EXCLUSIVE
CLUBHOUSE
FAST & SECURE
PAYMENTS
.
..PLAY NOW!..
Fundamentals Of
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 2310
Merit: 366


View Profile
March 19, 2021, 01:50:56 PM
 #10

There's no problem with the sentencing. But I think on top of the years in prison, the suspect should also return the entire amount scammed from all the victims down to the last centavo. That's the most important thing to me. If I were a victim, I don't care anymore about how many years the man will spend in jail. I only need that my money shall be returned.
isaac_clarke22
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1596
Merit: 264


View Profile
March 19, 2021, 02:03:43 PM
 #11

~
Ah yes, that incident.
Good thing I don't follow those celebrities, well not that I would be affected anyway if I even see them making those crypto-related posts.

I don't have any thoughts about the dude's sentence, but instead I realize that everyone can be a victim in social media of these types of schemes regardless if one is a celebrity or just a typical/ordinary person next door.
It even shows that even these accounts of a large platform can be social engineered.
I am even more concerned when it comes to Facebook because there are a lot of scams popping up in random comment sections.
buwaytress
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2842
Merit: 3527


Join the world-leading crypto sportsbook NOW!


View Profile
March 19, 2021, 02:09:53 PM
 #12

I personally think it's a long prison term for a guy so young but I suppose that kind of crime gets him in a different prison. 2.5 years of focused time do study or do something else would have been useful for me at that age. He might even just get a super good job once he's out. I mean with a CV like that, who won't want to hire you?

██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
... LIVECASINO.io    Play Live Games with up to 20% cashback!...██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
██
Sterbens
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1848
Merit: 341


Duelbits.com


View Profile
March 19, 2021, 02:27:27 PM
 #13

In fact, I have a different view, when a hacker commits a malicious act, he must be punished by the law. However, the government where Ivan Clark lives should have the initiative to develop its capabilities and expertise in operating the site and be used as a team in strengthening defense systems, both in the national security system and in the crypto world. because basically a hacker does this to make himself known. the point is to be recruited and nurtured and directed to the path that suits their talents. However, for all that, the criminal act must still be carried out in accordance with the applicable laws and procedures.

.
DuelbitsSPORTS
▄▄▄███████▄▄▄
▄▄█████████████████▄▄
▄██████████████████████▄
██████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██████████████████████████████
█████████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
█████████████████████████
▀████████████████████████
▀▀███████████████████
██████████████████████████████
██
██
██
██

██
██
██
██

██
██
██
████████▄▄▄▄██▄▄▄██
███▄█▀▄▄▀███▄█████
█████████████▀▀▀██
██▀ ▀██████████████████
███▄███████████████████
███████████████████████
███████████████████████
███████████████████████
███████████████████████
███████████████████████
▀█████████████████████▀
▀▀███████████████▀▀
▀▀▀▀█▀▀▀▀
OFFICIAL EUROPEAN
BETTING PARTNER OF
ASTON VILLA FC
██
██
██
██

██
██
██
██

██
██
██
10% CASHBACK
          100% MULTICHARGER
Baofeng
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2632
Merit: 1666



View Profile
March 19, 2021, 02:59:00 PM
 #14

Probably be out by 20 years old, then 3 years of probation and not touching computers, by 23 some ABC agency hire him, the future looks bright for this "criminal",  Grin

Throughout history, we have seen hackers being taken care of the government because they have the talent. I wouldn't be surprised in this case, we might not hear him in the next 5 years because he is working underground as a analyst already.

███████████████████████
████████████████████
██████████████████
████████████████████
███▀▀▀█████████████████
███▄▄▄█████████████████
██████████████████████
██████████████████████
███████████████████████
█████████████████████
███████████████████
███████████████
████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
███████████████████████████
█████████▀▀██▀██▀▀█████████
█████████████▄█████████████
███████████████████████
████████████████████████
████████████▄█▄█████████
████████▀▀███████████
██████████████████
▀███████████████████▀
▀███████████████▀
█████████████████████████
O F F I C I A L   P A R T N E R S
▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬▬
ASTON VILLA FC
BURNLEY FC
BK8?.
..PLAY NOW..
Leviathan.007
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1624
Merit: 722


Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform


View Profile WWW
March 19, 2021, 03:05:57 PM
 #15

We are not in the place of judge and surly your decisions and discussions here, can't change anything for him. But, just as a comment I would say, 3 years is not enough for him at all. Some people were trying so hard for years to save some money and they were searching for a way to earn some profit over their money they saved after years of working hard and now he scammed the money just in a few minutes, the 3 years of jail time is not enough at all for this person.

..Stake.com..   ▄████████████████████████████████████▄
   ██ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄            ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ██  ▄████▄
   ██ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ ██████████ ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀ ██  ██████
   ██ ██████████ ██      ██ ██████████ ██   ▀██▀
   ██ ██      ██ ██████  ██ ██      ██ ██    ██
   ██ ██████  ██ █████  ███ ██████  ██ ████▄ ██
   ██ █████  ███ ████  ████ █████  ███ ████████
   ██ ████  ████ ██████████ ████  ████ ████▀
   ██ ██████████ ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ ██████████ ██
   ██            ▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀            ██ 
   ▀█████████▀ ▄████████████▄ ▀█████████▀
  ▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄███  ██  ██  ███▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄
 ██████████████████████████████████████████
▄▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▀▄
█  ▄▀▄             █▀▀█▀▄▄
█  █▀█             █  ▐  ▐▌
█       ▄██▄       █  ▌  █
█     ▄██████▄     █  ▌ ▐▌
█    ██████████    █ ▐  █
█   ▐██████████▌   █ ▐ ▐▌
█    ▀▀██████▀▀    █ ▌ █
█     ▄▄▄██▄▄▄     █ ▌▐▌
█                  █▐ █
█                  █▐▐▌
█                  █▐█
▀▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▀█
▄▄█████████▄▄
▄██▀▀▀▀█████▀▀▀▀██▄
▄█▀       ▐█▌       ▀█▄
██         ▐█▌         ██
████▄     ▄█████▄     ▄████
████████▄███████████▄████████
███▀    █████████████    ▀███
██       ███████████       ██
▀█▄       █████████       ▄█▀
▀█▄    ▄██▀▀▀▀▀▀▀██▄  ▄▄▄█▀
▀███████         ███████▀
▀█████▄       ▄█████▀
▀▀▀███▄▄▄███▀▀▀
..PLAY NOW..
worle1bm
Full Member
***
Offline Offline

Activity: 1834
Merit: 166



View Profile
March 19, 2021, 04:15:07 PM
 #16

For all those saying the prison sentence is less compared to the crime conducted by this young hacker this was the main reason.
Quote
  Graham Clark needs to be held accountable for that crime, and other potential scammers out there need to see the consequences. In this case, we’ve been able to deliver those consequences while recognizing that our goal with any child, whenever possible, is to have them learn their lesson without destroying their future.”Hillsborough State Attorney Andrew Warren said in a statement.Clark was 17 when he committed the crime so he was not bound to serve a minimum 10-year sentence. But had he been convicted as an adult, he would not have been able to escape the punishment.

He has made more than $100k by hacking twiiter accounts of Bill gates,Elon Musk,Biden to ask users to deposit funds over Bitcoin address in order to double the funds.His lawyer claimed that he already has returned the funds to the users.So we don't need to judge the statements of high officials.

███████ ███████        R O L L B I T               CRYPTO'S MOST INNOVATIVE CASINO               [ PLAY NOW ]        ███████ ███████
//     WHITEPAPER     //          R L B          //     RLB LOTTERY     //
███████ ███████      |       Twitter       |        ►   S P O R T S B O O K   |   [ N E W ]  C L A N S   ◄        |      Discord      |      ███████ ███████
Haunebu
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 3094
Merit: 972


www.Crypto.Games: Multiple coins, multiple games


View Profile
March 19, 2021, 04:22:00 PM
 #17

I personally think it's a long prison term for a guy so young but I suppose that kind of crime gets him in a different prison.
He scammed thousands of dollars which is why I feel that 3 years is optimal in this case along with another 3 years of probation. In my opinion, he got lucky because he was sentenced as a minor.

His lawyer claimed that he already has returned the funds to the users.So we don't need to judge the statements of high officials.
He had to return the funds forcefully which is why he is still guilty and deserves being punished for 3 years. This will spread some fear among crypto scammers which is the biggest plus point.

█████████████████████████
███████▄▄▀▀███▀▀▄▄███████
████████▄███▄████████
█████▄▄█▀▀███▀▀█▄▄█████
████▀▀██▀██████▀██▀▀████
████▄█████████████▄████
███████▀███████▀███████
████▀█████████████▀████
████▄▄██▄████▄██▄▄████
█████▀▀███▀▄████▀▀█████
████████▀███▀████████
███████▀▀▄▄███▄▄▀▀███████
█████████████████████████
.
 CRYPTOGAMES 
.
 Catch the winning spirit! 
█▄░▀███▌░▄
███▄░▀█░▐██▄
▀▀▀▀▀░░░▀▀▀▀▀
████▌░▐█████▀
████░░█████
███▌░▐███▀
███░░███
██▌░▐█▀
PROGRESSIVE
      JACKPOT      
██░░▄▄
▀▀░░████▄
▄▄▄▄██▀░░▄▄
░░░▀▀█░░▀██▄
███▄░░▀▄░█▀▀
█████░░█░░▄▄█
█████░░██████
█████░░█░░▀▀█
LOW HOUSE
         EDGE         
██▄
███░░░░░░░▄▄
█▀░░░░░░░████
█▄░░░░░░░░█▀
██▄░░░░░░▄█
███▄▄░░▄██▌
██████████
█████████▌
PREMIUM VIP
 MEMBERSHIP 
DICE   ROULETTE   BLACKJACK   KENO   MINESWEEPER   VIDEO POKER   PLINKO   SLOT   LOTTERY
Expecto
Member
**
Offline Offline

Activity: 980
Merit: 12


View Profile
March 19, 2021, 04:39:46 PM
 #18

I personally think it's a long prison term for a guy so young but I suppose that kind of crime gets him in a different prison.
He scammed thousands of dollars which is why I feel that 3 years is optimal in this case along with another 3 years of probation. In my opinion, he got lucky because he was sentenced as a minor.

I agree with it. The thing he has done is not negligible and I also think that it is a fair verdict for his crime. I was expecting even more than 3 years and he should be thankful for this. I hope that he won't continue like this after completing his sentence. Otherwise, he will probably be condemned in a much worse way for it.

best123
Jr. Member
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 644
Merit: 1

https://blockmembers.io/


View Profile
March 19, 2021, 05:04:09 PM
 #19

Crime is crime no matter who is involved. What the guy committed was a crime punishable by law and the has taken its course. It will serve as a deterrent to others hackers in the future. Knowing that no body is above the  law.
Bitstar_coin
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Activity: 2436
Merit: 693


SOL.BIOKRIPT.COM


View Profile WWW
March 19, 2021, 05:32:41 PM
 #20

Does hackers usually get cut or this guy is still an amateur in the game? Am just curious why going through the trouble if the end result will be in a cell wall! I sense money was not the main goal of the hack if not getting caught should not be an option.

..B.I.O.K.R.I.P.T..|
  BiokriptX Fair Launch is now live in PINKSALE
|🟣 Twitter
🔵 Facebook
🟣 Telegram
Pages: [1] 2 3 »  All
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!