POST QUALITY VS QUANTITY

[rosenbauer02]

Am I the only one observing bounty hunters replies and posts? Most of it are compliance and just posting to meet the required post to get rewards. In short, the post will be more likely a spam.

I am not against bounty hunters but only to their posting habit like making reply before reading the posts and replies of other users or not at all? I see there are too many suggested ways and rules on how to make replies but it seems bounty hunters not likely to follow. Not all bounty hunters are like these but there are many of them here.

So, if it happens that bounty hunters reading this post. Do consider not to spam the forum because all the benefits will be for us to have good time reading. Making quality post should be practice so that others may follow. I know it would not be easy for the non native English speakers but one can try just like what I did as long as it could be read and understand then it would not be really a problem.

One thing that will also be reassuring if we can keep making quality post more and more users that came here will likely to stay here and enjoy the benefit in which the forum has offers. For now, we can see more bounty hunters wearing signature compare to users that are only here to learn in the cryptospace.

We do not know also that there are known bitcoiners already here like the tesla company owner, rich and known bitcoiner superstars and the likes. Who knows? They already saying that bitcointalk forum is one great forum to learn bitcoin which really serves its purpose. Whatever we have now lets improve it even better.

Best Regards!  

[Coin_trader]

This topic has been discuss several times for so many years especially on bounty campaign. Due to lack of checking of Bounty managers on there participants, Bounty hunters are free to spam since they are still being paid for just meeting the minimum requirements regardless of the post quality. Bounty manager should be the one who's responsible to control this problem. Spammers will eventually change once there post will not be paid. It's easy to make change on Bounty manager side rather than the bounty hunter due to quantity.

[Jawhead999]

One thing that will also be reassuring if we can keep making quality post more and more users that came here will likely to stay here and enjoy the benefit in which the forum has offers.

If the purpose to change the habit of bounty spammer became a good quality poster to atract people joining this forum, then 100% they will not want to do that. Because if more people joining this forum, obviously there's some % user only joining this forum to participate in bounty campaign and it will decrease their reward


Bounty hunters doesn't care about scam project or managed by scam campaign manager, what they want is free coin. So you can't do much to stop it, if you find low quality post from spammer.... Report it to moderator.

[janggernaut]

Am I the only one observing bounty hunters replies and posts?

I will tell you the best way how to minimize the spammer and improve the quality post on this forum,
1. Report all spam posts to moderator,
2. Report those spammer to their bounty manager.

Problem solved

[rosenbauer02]

Am I the only one observing bounty hunters replies and posts?

I will tell you the best way how to minimize the spammer and improve the quality post on this forum,
1. Report all spam posts to moderator,
2. Report those spammer to their bounty manager.

Problem solved

That I think also is the best way to solve spammers here in the forum. Well, I can work on that too but still need to keep raising awareness at the same time though this topic has been taken already but there are still other users that aren't realizing yet the point on what is the important of making quality post vs quantity.

The higher the number of post being required for the bounty hunters the higher the bounty hunters forgetting fue deligence in making quality post. So this I guess will serves as a reminders not only to new comers but also to other users that has forgetting already the essense and importance of good or quality posts.

But yes, you are very right there about reporting spam posts. Might give it some time also to report.

[DdmrDdmr]

One thing to consider is that, very likely, we all make mistakes when posting, and I’m not referring to spelling and grammar, but rather concept or interpretation. Sometimes things can get rather technical, and mistakes are more prone to happen, but often it is down to being able to answer less promptly and determine the proper context first.

Here’s an example:

Just a quick stat on how many posts have understood the 1 BTC = 60 car thingy so far:

N.A. corresponds to posts that are not applicable to the stat, since they do not reference the car comparison. 'No' over 'yes' is pretty much fivefold, something to reflect upon.

In order to get the meaning we need to dive into the article. That being said, the confusion could have been avoided by referencing the context in the OP (since the car/btc comparison is the heading).

On a given thread on Bitcoin Discussion, the context of the heading was spotted correctly by a fifth of the posts that misinterpreted it (yes vs no in the chart). That leads to the thread being thrown back and forth between posts that are on the right track and those that are not, making the overall reading of the thread a bumpy ride...

[rosenbauer02]

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There are change and we can make it happen even if it will be bumpy ride but we can still get there when we want too. This is why we continue to learn and aspire other users to change as well. I am sure for one thing that there is a constant change and that might apply to all bounty hunters especially the low ranks that can make a change. We cannot deny that most spammers are the low ranks for maybe we need to learn more on how to act with the other users but it would be a good start to blend with just like sugar in a coffee.

Good discussions start with quality post even if how bad the topic would it be. Spammers should learn this and give the chance to improve along with the other users and get promoted. It is unlikely to be good especially when rank remains in the lower group but higher in numbers.

All of us has the chance to grow but some are not findings ways to make it happen. This is why we should encourage everybody to create positivity for the forum and for the future users itself that will going to stay here in the forum.

[Darkelf11]

As you can see there are a lot of bounty scammers right there just to satisfy the number of the post count they need they neglect or ignore the number of the quality contents they created. One of the best thing why we have the report to moderators links to make them aware that that kind of members does not give benefit to the forum instead they are just spamming for their own goods.

[The Cryptovator]

Who cares actually? When hunters can earn by spamming then why they will work hard to create quality posts? This isn't just the mistakes of hunters only, there is also the responsibility of the campaign manager to ensure his/her participants aren't getting paid for spamming. If managers avoid accepting such spammer who doesn't care about the forum then all hunters will be forced to make at least good posts rather than spamming. There are a few managers who aren't accepted, spammer. But due to no requirements to become a bounty manager, so even a spammer would be a campaign manager. As a result, spam is just repeating again and again. I regret when I see companies hiring spam managers just to pay low. It's quite impossible to prevent spam totally from the forum.

[DdmrDdmr]

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Just to further prove my point, after I posted my stat on how many posts were interpreting the context wrongly (see prior post of mine in this thread), and therefore talking about something that was not what the base article was on about, the following seven consecutive post didn’t give a damn, and kept on talking about the wrong context. Which leads one to think that the usual habit is that of reading the title, skimming through the OP, and answering without paying attention to what prior posts in the thread have come up with (specially in Bitcoin Discussion). That's probably related to the quantity factor ...

[Welsh]

Good discussions start with quality post even if how bad the topic would it be. Spammers should learn this and give the chance to improve along with the other users and get promoted. It is unlikely to be good especially when rank remains in the lower group but higher in numbers.

All of us has the chance to grow but some are not findings ways to make it happen. This is why we should encourage everybody to create positivity for the forum and for the future users itself that will going to stay here in the forum.

I've seen threads which were siding on the side of poor quality be overturned, and turned into good discussion simply because of the replies added depth, and the discussion developed from there. So, we can all play our part, for threads which aren't quite bad enough for reporting, we can try, and develop the discussion by adding quality discussion. Unfortunately the issue we have is there will always be more spammers than there are users reporting, and moderators to handle the reports, which basically means unless there is a change to who, and how bounty campaigns work, we'll continue to have this problem.

I'm not completely opposed to bounties, and offering rewards for posting, and I don't usually like imposing restrictions when they aren't needed. However, I'd like to see something altered to better combat this type of spam, without enforcing too hard restrictions. There's been numerous suggestions in the past, but I'm not actually positive that any of them would achieve what we need, unless you completely remove it.

I don't know theymos' stand, but as cryptocurrency gets more popular I can see this getting a bigger, and bigger issue, and if there isn't a way to mitigate it, I expect that there would either be restrictions implemented if there are any that would benefit the forum, or if not a complete removal of bounties. Obviously, this is just my personal view point, we've managed the with bounties, and signature campaigns for a while, but at some point in the future if there is an increase in concurrent users I do see something being done about it.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

there is also the responsibility of the campaign manager to ensure his/her participants aren't getting paid for spamming.

Ah, that argument has been batted around for the last few years, and I'm not sure if anything has changed.  I know some bitcoin-paying signature campaigns have merit requirements that potential participants have to meet before they get accepted, but I don't think many (if any at all) bounties that pay in tokens even have that little safeguard.  And it's barely an effective one at that, since merit requirements are generally pretty low anyway.

Bounty managers tend to not care who they accept into their bounties, and that's always been the case with few exceptions.  I've had to put Bitcoin/Altcoin Discussion on ignore because of all the nonsense posts in those sections--and it sucks, because Bitcoin Discussion should be one of the best sections on the forum.  Unfortunately Theymos hasn't put any sanctions on bounty managers, so they've been free to employ shitposters galore. 

The good part is that most of the garbage posts tend to be in those sections above which I've put on ignore.  Some threads in Economics and Speculation can get pretty crappy, but at least Meta and Reputation tend to be spam-free.

[2double0]

We see the same questions been popped up multiple times even being answered by more than thousands of different users where those users almost add no productive value to their content after the first, second or up to fifth reply of that discussion except if some other questions are asked by the newbie. These users just try to reach their minimum quota for whichever campaign they are working. I am not saying that all their posts are garbage, but many of them will be and the number of active users compared to moderators is too big where fighting spam cannot be met to that big extent, still they try their best and some very good reporters do their job well and help moderators remove that junk out of the forum. So when there is bad, there is something good too that is defending the forum's credibility.

[cabalism13]

We see the same questions been popped up multiple times even being answered by more than thousands of different users where those users almost add no productive value to their content after the first, second or up to fifth reply of that discussion except if some other questions are asked by the newbie.

As it's better to post and ask than to search and make a 5min read for a whole thread. It does make sense now as it's always being repeated every year (or every other month?) And most of us are still being fed up and answer the same question over and over again.

[SquirrelJulietGarden]

They did not read the welcome message or read but don't mind
Quality, quantity are discussed in the welcome message

They will be charged by their spams
- Can not rank up
- Always join bounties because they don't have any quality to join good campaigns
- They might not get payouts after many months of posting in bounties
- They can be banned from spam

You can do
- Report their shit posts: [Unofficial Guide] Reporting effectively
- Ignore them: click on Ignore link below their username & avatar or add their username to Ignore user settings in your profile settings
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=yourUID;sa=ignprefs

[Laudanum]

Am I the only one observing bounty hunters replies and posts? Most of it are compliance and just posting to meet the required post to get rewards. In short, the post will be more likely a spam.

I am not against bounty hunters but only to their posting habit like making reply before reading the posts and replies of other users or not at all? I see there are too many suggested ways and rules on how to make replies but it seems bounty hunters not likely to follow. Not all bounty hunters are like these but there are many of them here.

So, if it happens that bounty hunters reading this post. Do consider not to spam the forum because all the benefits will be for us to have good time reading. Making quality post should be practice so that others may follow. I know it would not be easy for the non native English speakers but one can try just like what I did as long as it could be read and understand then it would not be really a problem.

One thing that will also be reassuring if we can keep making quality post more and more users that came here will likely to stay here and enjoy the benefit in which the forum has offers. For now, we can see more bounty hunters wearing signature compare to users that are only here to learn in the cryptospace.

We do not know also that there are known bitcoiners already here like the tesla company owner, rich and known bitcoiner superstars and the likes. Who knows? They already saying that bitcointalk forum is one great forum to learn bitcoin which really serves its purpose. Whatever we have now lets improve it even better.

Best Regards!  

Chipmixer crew need to max out their earnings. Don't be too harsh on them.

Besides. Aside from high level technical discussion that serves to solve the trilema  and other such important issues, then what need of the rest here really.

I mean original thought provoking posts that have made any real difference on this forum outside of technical ones are like rocking horse shit. So quality is difficult to accurately assess.

Mostly group think and regurgitated valueless word salads here. Bitcoin forum is okay and not actually that spammy.
The best board may be the politics section now.

The quality has drained away because people have left that were into bitcoin for different reasons than those that turn up now.
The 2011 crowd told the 2013 crowd the forum has gone down hill, who told the 2015 crowd it was a dive now, who told the 2018 noobs they were just a bunch of low functioning greedy spammers.....who told...

While the forum is seen as a pay piggy then the quality will be sparse.

A tiny tiny fraction can make important technical contributions
A tiny fraction want to enjoy a transparent and fair community that rewards those who really bring value. Or just a cool place to hang out with others that are fair and interesting regardless of personal financial enrichment.
Most want money at any cost for as little input as possible.

[iamsheikhadil]

Well, bounty hunters will do what they have come for their duty, which is to make as many posts just to meet their quota, and that's why the merit system was introduced so that a person just can't rank up by only posting more and hence limiting their chances severely to participate in any good paying campaign, however it seems that they actually quarantine themselves to the bounty section only, and not disturb other areas of the forum with their spams which is a good thing as they are too busy to make those bounty hunting posts but yeah, we should all make an effort to eradicate spam and report it whenever we see.

[ShowOff]

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but yeah, we should all make an effort to eradicate spam and report it whenever we see.

This's the keys.

Do not worry about your accuracy too much; one accurate report is worth many inaccurate reports.

I agree that most bounty hunter are the ones who post a lot of spam on this forum, and I was one of them before. A total of 100+ post were reported and removed by moderator, but at some point I started to think that spamming the forum in large number would just keep me from staying here any longer. Change may not be planned, but it must be done in a good way.

I'm sure some of them do want change, but because their mindset isn't right, the change hasn't been made.
The final answer when I interview someone about post quality and this is completely wrong thinking in my opinion.

"I'm here to make money, I don't care about quality, and I don't care about merit and rank. As long as I can make money my way, then I don't have to make any changes."

[libert19]

"I'm here to make money, I don't care about quality, and I don't care about merit and rank. As long as I can make money my way, then I don't have to make any changes."

These quote would fit prior to merit system implementation not now.

Merit/rank is necessary, and for that 'quality' is necessary.

[onecall123]

This is one of the prior things won't change anytime soon and we can't get rid of this in just over night. In service board section manager maintain the qualities by giving the priorities of quality posters but bounty campaign management system relatively poor so we can't expect best possible output. Some users are taking too seriously to meet weekly requirement which lead post bursting. I do believe situation is not much worse than before, some users are trying at least. What we can? For now reporting to moderator.