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August 02, 2023, 12:08:22 PM
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A great paper was published today by KPMG:



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The rise of bitcoin

Despite 2022 being a tumultuous year for Bitcoin, it continues to dominate the headlines. Its maturity into a traditional asset class is evident simply by seeing its ticker symbol “BTC” displayed on popular morning finance shows and news sites. However, despite Bitcoin’s continued adoption, it continues to be a misunderstood technology and asset class. In this paper, we’ll evaluate the environmental, social, and governance impact, as well as dispel some of the misconceptions that still thrive today, and consider how Bitcoin stacks up against an ESG framework.

Everything it is written in this paper is well known to you, avid readers of this forum and thread, but the fact that it is coming from KPMG is astounding.
Not because the things written in the paper are now more true, but because it demonstrates times are slowly changing.

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August 02, 2023, 12:16:57 PM
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A great paper was published today by KPMG:



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The rise of bitcoin

Despite 2022 being a tumultuous year for Bitcoin, it continues to dominate the headlines. Its maturity into a traditional asset class is evident simply by seeing its ticker symbol “BTC” displayed on popular morning finance shows and news sites. However, despite Bitcoin’s continued adoption, it continues to be a misunderstood technology and asset class. In this paper, we’ll evaluate the environmental, social, and governance impact, as well as dispel some of the misconceptions that still thrive today, and consider how Bitcoin stacks up against an ESG framework.

Everything it is written in this paper is well known to you, avid readers of this forum and thread, but the fact that it is coming from KPMG is astounding.
Not because the things written in the paper are now more true, but because it demonstrates times are slowly changing.
The abstract shows that bitcoin dominating the cryptocurrency Ecosystem space day by day. In 2022 people were really saying that bitcoin would collapsed because of it downward in the year. The bear market of bitcoin in the 2022 made many people to be scared of the technology because many companies collapsed base on it bearish market at that time.

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August 02, 2023, 12:20:16 PM
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The abstract shows that bitcoin dominating
We already knew that, we don’t need KPMG to state that! But it’s nice to know they know that as well!

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August 12, 2023, 08:51:10 AM
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And so we are asking one more time again that when will you resume bitcoin payment Elon Musk? this was traced according to his last porported feed on bitcoin mining and sustainability, he made mentioned that when bitcoin remains 50% mining energy sustainable, he will resume payment with bitcoin, now the bitcoin mining of 59.9% energy sustainable as information from the bitcoin mining council, bitcoin is environmentally  friendly, energy efficient and sustainable for utilization in mining compared to other kinds of mining.

Reference links:

https://twitter.com/BitcoinMagazine/status/1689397387670794240?t=8f2WpWPLma40-GaAdgrYlw&s=19

https://bitcoinminingcouncil.com/bitcoin-mining-electricity-mix-increased-to-59-5-sustainable-in-q2-2022/

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August 12, 2023, 12:02:52 PM
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And so we are asking one more time again that when will you resume bitcoin payment Elon Musk? this was traced according to his last porported feed on bitcoin mining and sustainability, he made mentioned that when bitcoin remains 50% mining energy sustainable, he will resume payment with bitcoin, now the bitcoin mining of 59.9% energy sustainable as information from the bitcoin mining council, bitcoin is environmentally  friendly, energy efficient and sustainable for utilization in mining compared to other kinds of mining.

Reference links:

https://twitter.com/BitcoinMagazine/status/1689397387670794240?t=8f2WpWPLma40-GaAdgrYlw&s=19

https://bitcoinminingcouncil.com/bitcoin-mining-electricity-mix-increased-to-59-5-sustainable-in-q2-2022/
Hint: not before 2025.
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September 01, 2023, 02:16:20 PM
Last edit: September 01, 2023, 02:34:37 PM by fillippone
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Cambridge University just updated its methodology to compute the Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index (CBECI), an index aimed at estimating the network Power Usage.

Bitcoin electricity consumption: an improved assessment
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Examining the underlying assumptions behind the Cambridge Bitcoin Electricity Consumption Index (CBECI) has led to its first significant revision since its launch in 2019 – a response to evidence indicating a periodic overestimation of electricity consumption.

They discovered that the Power estimate was constantly overrated as they underestimated the substitution rate of older miners. Newer miners have increased efficiency: either they churn more hash per J or consume less J to churn the identical hashes.
If a more significant part of the mining hardware than previously thought is new, then the average power consumption per hash is lower than previously thought.

Over the last 10 years miner became almost 10x more efficient.
The increased efficiency estimate led to a sharp reduction in the CBECI index

The comment is the following:
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There are also less pronounced but still noteworthy differences in 2022 and 2023. The 2022 estimate was adjusted downward by 9.8 TWh, from 105.3 TWh to 95.5 TWh. To put this in perspective, the revised figure is comparable to the electricity consumption of countries like Belgium (83 TWh) or the Netherlands (113 TWh), [31] the energy use of tumble dryers in the US (108 TWh), [32] and renewable curtailment in China (105 TWh) [33]. In terms of global electricity consumption, it represented about 0.38%.[34] As for 2023, the year-to-date electricity consumption estimate has been revised from 75.7 TWh to 70.4 TWh.[/i]

I guess tumble-drying industry didn't show the same increase in efficiency.

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October 02, 2023, 06:09:11 AM
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Semi-serious post.

The idea is not new. There are loads of projects to use miners to heat something: from hot tubs to houses.
Here miner's heat is used to heat tulips bulbs, a clear reference to the 1637 Dutch Tulips bubble



Bitcoin allows to use every form of energy more efficiently.

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November 16, 2023, 10:09:19 PM
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A very interesting research resulting from a collaboration between Marathon Mining and Bitcoin Magazine:

Cashing on trash


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Landfills are a significant contributor to global methane emissions, which, if mitigated, could have a greater environmental impact than managing carbon dioxide emissions.
Conventional methane management methods, such as venting and flaring, are inefficient and environmentally damaging, while waste-to-energy solutions, like selling electricity to the grid or distributing renewable natural gas (RNG) via pipelines, often prove economically infeasible for smaller or remote landfills.
Bitcoin mining offers a market-based approach to reducing methane emissions from landfills by converting otherwise wasted potential energy into economic value. Bitcoin mining requires minimal investments in infrastructure, and it is geographically flexible, modular, and scalable. In theory, Bitcoin mining can therefore help any landfill, regardless of its size and geographic location, reduce its emissions while benefiting from an additional stream of income.


The idea is sort of "greenwashing" the Bitcoin industry, turning it from an energy waste producer to an energy optimising one. The Bitcoin mining industry wants to become the first carbon-negative industry.
Provided that you can demonstrate to me how an industry relying on electric power can directly emit GHG.

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yesterday, Greenpeace published a detailed report that allegedly establishes the links between Bitcoin miners, corporate interest groups and climate deniers. as was to be expected, Greenpeace's latest comments also contain numerous false and refutable statements.

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/reports/mining-for-power/
https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Bitcoin-Mining-for-Power.pdf

the way Greenpeace criticizes - often through demonstrably false claims presented as incontrovertible 'facts' - is increasingly undermining the group's reputation. instead of making a constructive contribution to the discourse on the environmental impact of BTCitcoin, the organization is falling into a pattern of disinformation and exaggeration. this not only damages the credibility of Greenpeace itself, but also the wider environmental cause by raising doubts about the reliability and objectivity of the information presented by the scene.

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yesterday, Greenpeace published a detailed report that allegedly establishes the links between Bitcoin miners, corporate interest groups and climate deniers. as was to be expected, Greenpeace's latest comments also contain numerous false and refutable statements.

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/reports/mining-for-power/
https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Bitcoin-Mining-for-Power.pdf

the way Greenpeace criticizes - often through demonstrably false claims presented as incontrovertible 'facts' - is increasingly undermining the group's reputation. instead of making a constructive contribution to the discourse on the environmental impact of BTCitcoin, the organization is falling into a pattern of disinformation and exaggeration. this not only damages the credibility of Greenpeace itself, but also the wider environmental cause by raising doubts about the reliability and objectivity of the information presented by the scene.
WEF has entered the chat:

https://www.instagram.com/worldeconomicforum/reel/C35FfRytPtJ/
https://www.weforum.org/videos/bitcoin-mine-power/

Told ya: renewable energy + Bitcoin mining will be the best combo ever invented!

Habitual contrarians didn't believe me. Wink
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We are back a t it with the Bitcoin power consumption and the need to tax it to avoid moners to indulge in such a waste of energy:

Carbon Emissions from AI and Crypto Are Surging and Tax Policy Can Help


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The climate impact of these activities—irrespective of their social and economic benefits—is cause for concern.

We have been there before.
Luckily the response wasn't held back for long:

IMF Tax Increase Proposal for Crypto Miners Faces Industry Criticism

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Industry leaders, however, have responded with sharp criticism. Daniel Batten, a Bitcoin environmental analyst and Marathon Digital advisory board member, described the IMF’s report as misleading and poorly researched. He accused the IMF of unfairly associating the carbon impact of AI data centers with Bitcoin mining, ignoring the crypto industry’s significant advancements in sustainability.

The road to education, is still long, apparently.


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October 02, 2024, 10:04:46 AM
Merited by JayJuanGee (1)
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Anyone could point me at the data on renewable energy curtailment from any location/specific grid? Ideally, I'd want daily, if not real-time, information on how much renewable power is being curtailed, along with the specific generation locations affected.

THe end-goal is to make a real-life case for estimating "missed" opportunity in Bitcoin terms.

For example, in 2023 Northern Ireland had to curtail 539 GWh of wind energy (1), which is 18.6% of the total wind energy generated there. Id like to put that into perspective, it’s 60 MW of capacity (2). A rough theoretical estimation shows this missed energy could have been converted into over 500 BTC (3)!

Notes:
(1) https://www.soni.ltd.uk/how-the-grid-works/renewables/Annual-Renewable-Constraint-and-Curtailment-Report-2023-V1.0.pdf
(2) 539 / 8760 hours = 61.5 MW
(3) Take old s9 model (1.323kW)... 61500 kW / 1.323kW = 46485 units (we ofc have to add capex/opex data). Also the curtailment is distributed over time and space.

Here is the rough theoretical estimation:
https://aidala.uk/dashboard?hash=U2FsdGVkX18ocOrsw94OY9bADR7p8%2BKDa15esOX26k8VtXKWl36q1i%2B%2F7gtbb%2FYOxnMYO7ItaBLYsmeRSys1BTJ%2FzVRFpbWQiVbSvVFIUp3UBSj2wmZc79hVDXwhyG7ajWQtKYspkPK2DETms34d9J8CH1G0MWJdwxOB7OXucLfvKkaE68WzMck2uRpdTbB57KO00sY%2B8PWfNdu3ceLZShX%2B7DpSyHBoRxL5PUmUtV8%3D
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