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Our government is so f*cked up on handling the covid-19 issue. They have been requesting loans on other countries to help us aid the covid 19 which has accumulate of billions of pesos or even dollars yet the response and actions being shown to our citizens aren't great.

Companies are forcefully being required to donate half of their purchase of vaccines to the government is too much of a spoonfeed. I mean, they've loaned too much already so why requiring private companies to donate half of vaccine purchase. I even heard that private companies have another choice which they must buy their vaccine directly on the government but the catch is they must pay the overprice vaccine that the government has to offer.

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March 30, 2021, 08:06:04 PM
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If you ask me, this is straight up extortion and should not be tolerated and criticized. If vaccine manufacturers have excess supply from their expected numbers, if a private company wants to buy it, they should have the rights to do so with the help of the government WITHOUT any strings attached. It's already an initiative of the private company to vaccinate its workforce, and that's already a few hundred or thousands less on the headcount for vaccination on the government's list. This is the problem our company has been having for quite some time now, that's why our vaccination drive isn't really picking up pace. The Philippines is fucked from left, right, and center due to its ruling party and failed programs from the government. Hundreds of millions of dollars and still no clear plan on vaccination, and still asking for companies to chip in.

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March 30, 2021, 11:19:56 PM
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Our government is so f*cked up on handling the covid-19 issue. They have been requesting loans on other countries to help us aid the covid 19 which has accumulate of billions of pesos or even dollars yet the response and actions being shown to our citizens aren't great.

Companies are forcefully being required to donate half of their purchase of vaccines to the government is too much of a spoonfeed. I mean, they've loaned too much already so why requiring private companies to donate half of vaccine purchase. I even heard that private companies have another choice which they must buy their vaccine directly on the government but the catch is they must pay the overprice vaccine that the government has to offer.
A straight extortion from those companies that are planning to make their own decisions because they can't trust their government anymore. I feel pity for that country although it's acceptable that they must first cure the high risk places but the more they demand from bigger companies is like they were milking them instead of helping.

I wonder why they have to do it there must be a reason but the fact that it's overpriced compared to what they pay is I think a complete extortion.

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I don't know why the OP is complaining. At least in his country, private purchase of the vaccine is allowed. Here in India, that is illegal. Right now, only those who are aged above 45 years can legally get vaccinated. Private purchases are not allowed. I know a couple of individuals who are in their 30s. They have comorbidities and health conditions, and they need to visit hospitals frequently. But at this point, they can't get themselves vaccinated (at least not legally).

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maybe the government seek help for private companies because of how expensive the vaccine sold in this country but thats not fair on why the vaccine pricing are not equal ? what they think to your country , rich ? but 400 million seems large enough to accumulate the 10k cases of covid and they must start the vaccination now for christ sake because the more they wait the more the cases will grow and the funds are going to short .
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There's always something wrong in the system, if the government allocates and uses the funds they have properly there won't be any need to suck private companies' money requiring them to donate half of the vaccines they purchase to the government. The main root of this is corruption, some politicians are using this pandemic to their advantage. We are facing the same problem here in our country where Pfizer was not able to get approval because they were not able to contact the one in charge of the vaccine. The government wants the vaccine from China which has little efficacy compared to Pfizer. The obvious reason is they have a cut from it for every vaccine they buy in China.
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There's always something wrong in the system, if the government allocates and uses the funds they have properly there won't be any need to suck private companies' money requiring them to donate half of the vaccines they purchase to the government. The main root of this is corruption, some politicians are using this pandemic to their advantage. We are facing the same problem here in our country where Pfizer was not able to get approval because they were not able to contact the one in charge of the vaccine. The government wants the vaccine from China which has little efficacy compared to Pfizer. The obvious reason is they have a cut from it for every vaccine they buy in China.

Has anyone read the recent news, Chinese top control disease official admits the low efficiency of their vaccine. Now, this is really a screw up. How can you trust their vaccine if their top official admitted himself about its low performance? And what will happen if there will be bad side effects instead of protecting the person from the virus? The governments really need to think about which vaccine will be good for its people. Not because of some political agenda. I hope we all surpass this human trial very soon.
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There's always something wrong in the system, if the government allocates and uses the funds they have properly there won't be any need to suck private companies' money requiring them to donate half of the vaccines they purchase to the government. The main root of this is corruption, some politicians are using this pandemic to their advantage. We are facing the same problem here in our country where Pfizer was not able to get approval because they were not able to contact the one in charge of the vaccine. The government wants the vaccine from China which has little efficacy compared to Pfizer. The obvious reason is they have a cut from it for every vaccine they buy in China.
Has anyone read the recent news, Chinese top control disease official admits the low efficiency of their vaccine. Now, this is really a screw up. How can you trust their vaccine if their top official admitted himself about its low performance? And what will happen if there will be bad side effects instead of protecting the person from the virus? The governments really need to think about which vaccine will be good for its people. Not because of some political agenda. I hope we all surpass this human trial very soon.

Therefore, I am very surprised by countries that provide their citizens with vaccines from China which are proven to have a very low level of effectiveness.
I agree that the government should choose the best vaccine for its citizens and not because there is a political agenda to sacrifice the health of its citizens.
The COVID-19 pandemic is a serious problem and must be handled seriously too, so it is the government's obligation to provide the best for its citizens.

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Therefore, I am very surprised by countries that provide their citizens with vaccines from China which are proven to have a very low level of effectiveness.
I agree that the government should choose the best vaccine for its citizens and not because there is a political agenda to sacrifice the health of its citizens.
The COVID-19 pandemic is a serious problem and must be handled seriously too, so it is the government's obligation to provide the best for its citizens.

There was hardly any other choice for the poorer nations. Vaccines from Pfizer, Moderna and Janssen were hoarded by the richer nations and the supplies were not available to third world nations. Russia offered Sputnik V vaccine to some of the poorer nations, but the quantity that was available was very low. So the only vaccines that were available in good numbers were from China - Sinovac, Sinopharm and CanSino Biologics. These companies claimed that their vaccines are very effective, but now they are turning out to be huge disappointments. 

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Let me guess, we are from the same country? Because in my country, the government doesn't care about the people, they only care about their image and they want to benefit big in the vaccine purchase and people have compared the same vaccines to be used here in other countries and the difference are astronomically high.
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Let me guess, we are from the same country? Because in my country, the government doesn't care about the people, they only care about their image and they want to benefit big in the vaccine purchase and people have compared the same vaccines to be used here in other countries and the difference are astronomically high.

There is no point in blaming the government, because the vaccines are in short supply right now. A few countries such as US, UK and Israel have managed to vaccinate a large part of their population, but almost all the other countries have failed to secure enough doses for their population. Countries such as Serbia, Hungary and Chile went for the Chinese vaccines, but now it is clear that these vaccines were ineffective. But I will not blame the governments in these countries, because they didn't had any other choice.
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April 12, 2021, 08:00:46 AM
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The Ph government fail to handle this crisis effectively. Imagine its been over a year since the virus hit the country yet the situation is still getting worse day by day.

It seems the past lockdown which utterly affect the economy and the citizens are useless because we dont see improvement. There's already a vaccine but not all can get those due to lack of supply and they're prioritizing the frontliners (which is understandable).

They took a loan to buy vaccines but still has conditions to private companies to donate 50% of their purchased vaccine? I wont be surprise if these companies chose to closed down and migrate to other countries.

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There is no point in blaming the government, because the vaccines are in short supply right now. A few countries such as US, UK and Israel have managed to vaccinate a large part of their population, but almost all the other countries have failed to secure enough doses for their population. Countries such as Serbia, Hungary and Chile went for the Chinese vaccines, but now it is clear that these vaccines were ineffective. But I will not blame the governments in these countries, because they didn't had any other choice.
If you are living in my country you will know what I am talking about, the blatant corruption and persecution of political opponents and the incompetence, why wouldn't you blame that? The government is supposed to be working for its citizen and not the other way around, maybe if people stop enabling this kind of mentality, maybe we might see some changes. And in regards to vaccines, my country hasn't received anything yet because they are incompetent.
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April 12, 2021, 11:22:58 AM
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The Ph government fail to handle this crisis effectively. Imagine its been over a year since the virus hit the country yet the situation is still getting worse day by day.

It seems the past lockdown which utterly affect the economy and the citizens are useless because we dont see improvement. There's already a vaccine but not all can get those due to lack of supply and they're prioritizing the frontliners (which is understandable).

They took a loan to buy vaccines but still has conditions to private companies to donate 50% of their purchased vaccine? I wont be surprise if these companies chose to closed down and migrate to other countries.

Since the very beginning of the Covid spread in mainland China, the PH already failed to control the entry of foreign flights. I am also one of the people who doesn't believe that all sorts of these quarantines were effective. Government agencies has been monetizing the situation, that even the national healthcare system are the ones orchestrating the whole corruption.
I'm so sick of hearing all these Covid vaccines stuff. The government of the PH for sure will have their opportunity to steal money from the people again.

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April 12, 2021, 11:40:21 AM
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If you are living in my country you will know what I am talking about, the blatant corruption and persecution of political opponents and the incompetence, why wouldn't you blame that? The government is supposed to be working for its citizen and not the other way around, maybe if people stop enabling this kind of mentality, maybe we might see some changes. And in regards to vaccines, my country hasn't received anything yet because they are incompetent.

I don't know which country you are living in, so I can't really comment on the other issue. But as far as the vaccine availability is concerned, only a handful of the countries have been able to secure enough volume of vaccines to inoculate a large part of the population. More than 95% of the countries have faced difficulty in sourcing the vaccines. Obviously the Chinese vaccines are available, but they are extremely ineffective, as seen from the case with Chile, Serbia and Hungary. 
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I don't know which country you are living in, so I can't really comment on the other issue. But as far as the vaccine availability is concerned, only a handful of the countries have been able to secure enough volume of vaccines to inoculate a large part of the population. More than 95% of the countries have faced difficulty in sourcing the vaccines. Obviously the Chinese vaccines are available, but they are extremely ineffective, as seen from the case with Chile, Serbia and Hungary. 
That's the problem, the stupid government is so incompetent that they didn't get the first batch of vaccine knowing the fact that they are limited since the production isn't polished yet. I wouldn't necessarily say that my country has difficulty because the pharmaceutical companies were the ones that approached and all they need is a simple paper of authorization and they didn't do it.
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The problem on how the government do respond into the presence of the problem in thr country makes a gap and become a main reason why the respond is taking too long which do also prolong the burden of the people. Incompetency and lack of proper governance might be leading the way why there is still no efficient resolve on the current state of your country's problem with regards to this pandemic. Although it is understandable that your country seems to belong into the third world making your government borrow a big amount of money, still the fund must be used properly and other methods to help lessen the cases must have been done not primarily depending only on vaccines and response must have already been done at early stage.

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That's the problem, the stupid government is so incompetent that they didn't get the first batch of vaccine knowing the fact that they are limited since the production isn't polished yet. I wouldn't necessarily say that my country has difficulty because the pharmaceutical companies were the ones that approached and all they need is a simple paper of authorization and they didn't do it.

Hmm.. I heard that the Brazilian president (Jair Bolsonaro) turned down an offer from Pfizer to purchase a few million vaccine doses in 2020. I don't know whether the same incident happened with your country or not. But these are big blunders and now it is not possible to secure enough doses. Almost all the vaccine manufacturers are facing bottlenecks in their production and previously signed contracts are not being fulfilled. So any new contracts are not being considered for now.

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To be honest, Dutertes response to COVID has been long criticized, and so has been his ruling of the country, so I am really not surprised that they are forcing privately-owned companies to donate half of the vaccines to the government. It seems that he wants to dip his toes in both pools with extracting money from the ADB and extorting companies. But when you are that type of autocrat, anything goes.
I don't follow political news in the Philippines...
But I do agree with you that Duterte's leadership has been criticized for a long time and he doesn't care about it like that. forcing private companies to donate vaccine funds looks like indirect blackmail and is likely to make things worse there.

But Duterte is really not a good leader in times of needs especially that all of his efforts are not enough to lead.

Vaccines in Philippines are not properly allocated and regulated because corrupt authorities are still doing their best to thrift the budget for the vaccine and get some.

Isn't reasonable if governments will have a fair price for the mass and for poor people? In this pandemic, does money and corruption still matters?

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the problem is that the news media in our country isn't also reliable. we don't even know these articles are true. it would be funny to actually watch the news even the GMA or this inquirer saying something else than what was being published elsewhere. you'd be surprised that even the personalities from prison detained for drug trafficking are still published to these news media.

To be honest, Dutertes response to COVID has been long criticized, and so has been his ruling of the country, so I am really not surprised that they are forcing privately-owned companies to donate half of the vaccines to the government. It seems that he wants to dip his toes in both pools with extracting money from the ADB and extorting companies. But when you are that type of autocrat, anything goes.
I don't follow political news in the Philippines...
But I do agree with you that Duterte's leadership has been criticized for a long time and he doesn't care about it like that. forcing private companies to donate vaccine funds looks like indirect blackmail and is likely to make things worse there.

But Duterte is really not a good leader in times of needs especially that all of his efforts are not enough to lead.
Vaccines in Philippines are not properly allocated and regulated because corrupt authorities are still doing their best to thrift the budget for the vaccine and get some.
Isn't reasonable if governments will have a fair price for the mass and for poor people? In this pandemic, does money and corruption still matters?

even the US can't handle this covid19. look how much homeless are there in US today because of the joblessness due to covid. if it weren't for duterte, there would have been war as well apart from covid.  i'm fine watching Manila Bay still.











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