Let's take action against unpaid Signature/Bounty campaign together.

[sharos]

How long this will run?

If nobody take action against unpaid campaign, Then we will face this problem too much in future. Bounty/Signature hunters isn’t doll, But, sometimes, Project owners used them as a doll. Bounty hunters promote project in social media, forum. And make project popular but project owner cheat with them.

We will all work together so that no one can cheat us.
Let's do it, Sometimes we can see project go to good place but, they cheat with campaign hunters, out main target is those project. If project cheat with us, Then we will destroy that project all together. We will success this mission, If we work together and if we get support from forum seniors.

I created a telegram group for discussion about unpaid campaign. Group admin ship can be transferred to trusted forum seniors, if they want.

We want great support from forum seniors and bounty manager. I think they will help, Because unpaid campaign also a type of scam and that’s happen in this forum.

[Charles-Tim]

If a project scam you, or you were scammed while in a campaign, be it signature or bounty, you can create a thread about such it in scam accusation.

I created a telegram group for discussion about unpaid campaign. Group admin ship can be transferred to trusted forum seniors, if they want.

Why creating a telegram group to what should not go beyond this forum. Creating a telegram group for this is highly unnecessary and a way scammers might elicit there work.

[Rikafip]

The only way this has any chance to succeed is if you simply stop joining campaigns whose funds are not escrowed. And preferably not escrow tokens, but something more valuable like BTC/ETH/stablecoins because it's very easy to make those escrowed tokens worthless by simply making a new one.

But for that to happen you will have to have huge support of your fellow bounty hunters and unfortunately there is always a decent amount of those who will simply ignore your effort and continue to do the same thing; joining as much campaigns as possible and hoping that some will pay.

If project cheat with us, Then we will destroy that project all together. We will success this mission, If we work together and if we get support from forum seniors.

I don' think that "forum seniors" can do much about this. You may eventually destroy altcoin project's reputation here on the forum, but if they are ready to cheat you out of the tokens, they obviously don't care much about that.

I wish you good luck with your effort, but in the end its all up to you, no senior member can save you from yourself.

If a project scam you, you can create a thread about such project in scam accusation.

Chances that some project will change their mind after that are imho slim to none. By then its already too late.


Until bounty hunters change their stance towards bounty campaigns, this will keep happening. Before even thinking about joining altcoin bounty campaign, first I would ask myself "would I ever invest my own money into this?" If the answer is yes, then I would make sure that funds are escrowed before proceeding with bounty campaign. I mean, I often hear bounty hunters mentioning "hard work" etc. If its really hard work in question, why lowering your standards so much and joining every possible campaign without much thinking?

[sharos]

I wish you good luck with your effort, but in the end its all up to you.

I Don't know where is the end, But i will try to my best for making this journey success.

If a project scam you, or you were scammed while in a campaign, be it signature or bounty, you can create a thread about such it in scam accusation.

After creating scam accusation, DT will tag them red if they found proper information. And project will lost their reputation in forum. But, outside for forum their reputation still increased. I know so mich much people, who not follow btt.

I created a telegram group for discussion about unpaid campaign. Group admin ship can be transferred to trusted forum seniors, if they want.

Why creating a telegram group to what should not go beyond this forum. Creating a telegram group for this is highly unnecessary and a way scammers might elicit there work.

I created this group only for taking action fastly. I will remove that group if maximum people think it’s unnecessary.

[cryptoaddictchie]

I had some campaigns joined that didn't got paid. As much as I want to join the cause, I simply just love forward and move on. Well that's a risky gamble actually. There is really a chance that a certain campaign how legit it sound can or may double cross you and left you hanging without any payment.

Creating telegram group could get you noticed but to be prioritised and scared them, not so tough move to get the unpaid being paid just like that. Especially if they don't really want to pay at all.

[lovesmayfamilis]

After creating scam accusation, DT will tag them red if they found proper information. And project will lost their reputation in forum. But, outside for forum their reputation still increased. I know so mich much people, who not follow btt.

For DT members to tag a scam manager, you need clear proof of scam.  Take a look at the Scam Accusations section. Read when and in what case DT can flag scammers. Layout all the accusations in that section, then perhaps your efforts will be successful.
But since you write that the project is popular outside the forum, I doubt that you can achieve anything.
The smartest advice was given to you. Stop participating in programs in which funds are not deposited.  By participating in fraudulent programs, you unwittingly become complicit in them. I see such behavior very often from bounty hunters.

[hopenotlate]

Problem here is represented by the huge number of people willing to participate in campaigns that are not manage by reputable forum member and/or whose funds are not escrowed.
So this is a supply and demand problem as in a normal market dynamics : until there will be this low requirements/quality demand of bounty campaigns there will also be someone who will take advantage of it.
If we make sure that unsecured campaigns run out of subscribers and we will have a flow of escrowed/guaranteed ones.

In my opinion ( it is certainly an unpopular one)  to solve the problem it is easier to redtag those who agree to participate in "unsecured" campaigns beside those who scam the participants: the latter will have no problem creating new accounts to launch new scam bounty projects but the first category will for sure refrain to join these.

[YOSHIE]

We want great support from forum seniors and bounty manager. I think they will help, Because unpaid campaign also a type of scam and that’s happen in this forum.

So, who is the manager, project you mean ....!
• invite him here, we want to hear what he has to say.

What is the name of the project....!
Show here, how many bounty hunters have complained about the project....!

One more, give us proof that you are not paid and the project is scamming you.

I will remove that group if maximum people think it’s unnecessary.

It is necessary to prove your conversation with them.

[robelneo]

We want great support from forum seniors and bounty manager. I think they will help, Because unpaid campaign also a type of scam and that’s happen in this forum.

All scam accusations are supported by senior members and DT's of this forum, you can check the scam sections there is no need to launch your own crusade, as long as the information is correct and the accusers can provide all the details, the community will tag these scammers, the scam busters of these forums are even taking time and effort to catch these scammers.

[isaac_clarke22]

Scams aren't moderated, OP.
Even if you gather help from a lot of people here, the only thing that could be done would be tagging the users behind the project.

Telegram group isn't necessary as there is a Scam Accusation board to discuss those already.
I would suggest reading and visiting each boards first, because judging from your posts history you don't seem to visit any other places other than the Bounty thread as it is full of Bounty reports.

[NeuroticFish]

I created a telegram group for discussion about unpaid campaign. Group admin ship can be transferred to trusted forum seniors, if they want.

You didn't post a clear scam accusation.
You didn't post any info about the campaign or the campaign manager.
You are only shilling a telegram group.

From my point of view you don't care at all about the (real) problems in bounty campaigns - mostly in altcoin/token areas.
From my point of view all you care is to get a successful telegram group which you'll probably try to monetize sometime later.

You've posted 1 scam accusation for somebody impersonating you. Nothing else.
This forum has its few tools - negative feedback and flag. If accusations are done properly, these actions can be done against scammers. If you go outside of the forum, you're on your own (with your telegram group I don't expect anybody care about).

We are saying for many years already that people should triple-check the bounty campaign before entering. Nobody cares until they get scammed. So.. yeah... good luck...

[Beparanf]

How long this will run?

We will all work together so that no one can cheat us.
Let's do it, Sometimes we can see project go to good place but, they cheat with campaign hunters, out main target is those project. If project cheat with us, Then we will destroy that project all together. We will success this mission, If we work together and if we get support from forum seniors.
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I’m interested on how you will work together just to fight this long time problem of this forum. The problem was you can’t determine easily if the project is scam or not unless they commit it already. Except for those obviously showing mistakes such as plagiarism on other project materials and whitepaper. Besides that, only few trusted member here are already joining bounty campaign so most member you will recruit is newbie or spammers. It’s to just avoid joining rather than risking your time joining it. Don’t be a victim.

[examplens]

The only way this has any chance to succeed is if you simply stop joining campaigns whose funds are not escrowed. And preferably not escrow tokens, but something more valuable like BTC/ETH/stablecoins because it's very easy to make those escrowed tokens worthless by simply making a new one.

To be honest, reputed users and quality marketers, influencers... users who've had good sm accounts haven't participated in shit bounty programs for a long time. It's reserved for spammers, fake multi-accounters. I am not sure how they can bring any investors there.
Any trash can run a giveaway and bounty program (signature campaign also) where hunters start promoting without any investigation is a real project. There is no difference between a non-paid campaign and a campaign paid with dust token.

[samcrypto]

There's a lot of unpaid bounties until now and seriously, the manager can't do anything about it once the campaign was done aside from communicating to the team especially most of the bounties are not escrowed, so the problem here is that the team is not cooperating at all and they have so many excuses just to delay the payment or they are just a scam project in the first place.

It's better to create a site where we can easily report/post those project who are not a good payer, and made a good connections to the exchanges or to any market just to tell that those projects are not paying the hunters maybe this can affect their reputations at all.  I've joined bounties many times before, and I got paid for my work but that token is useless and no value at all, you're lucky enough if you landed on a great project that pays on time with a great value.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The only way this has any chance to succeed is if you simply stop joining campaigns whose funds are not escrowed. And preferably not escrow tokens, but something more valuable like BTC/ETH/stablecoins because it's very easy to make those escrowed tokens worthless by simply making a new one.

Bingo.  And this is a lesson that unfortunately I don't think anybody is going to learn--not as long as people keep coming to bitcointalk in search of an online job and don't realize how scammy some of these idiot project owners and bounty managers are. 

This issue has been going on since at least the beginning of the ICO boom, which was roughly 3.5 years ago or so.  That's when bounties started paying their participants in shitty tokens and sometimes not paying anything at all.  And what happens?  The scammers move on to start another project with another bounty, using a different name, and the cycle continues.  If people weren't so desperate for money (or greedy; it depends on the circumstances), this would never happen.  But let's face it, if you complain about something, they'll boot you from the bounty without a second though and there'll be another member waiting in line to take your place.

So the moral of the story is: don't join a campaign/bounty that doesn't have a reputable manager at the helm, and don't join unless the funds to pay the participants are escrowed in advance.  And even then, there's so much that could go wrong but at least if you have those two things in place it's much less riskier to join one of these bounties.

[electronicash]

what's frustrating about not getting paid is that their tokens have already value and listed to good exchanges and uniswap. the team looks pretty decent and has been developing their project but just keeping them the promise to send the tokens in months and when the time comes they move the dates again.

they are left waiting and if they ruin the reputation of the project, the price will start dropping. it's a situation where they want to get paid but not wanting their earnings to drop as well. i experience this myself. 

[janggernaut]

Stop joining in any of altcoin bounty on bounties section. Just pick signature/bounty campaign which pay with USD or bitcoin on service section. Let their bounty died by no one joined.

Why would you ask people's help to take action while you and others still willing to join on their bounty later?

[sheenshane]

How long this will run?

As long as there are bounty hunters that willing to take a risk and to receive a fancy token from the bounty project, this cycle will not stop.  So my point is, stop joining bounty projects running by newly created accounts and not by reputed managers.  Because they are most likely going to scam even they had complete documents like whitepaper and roadmap, high potential to be scam will be occurred in the future.

Joining a bounty campaign is always has a risk and here my rate on the risk upon joining.

• Joining with a newbie manager is about 75% risk
• Joining with an old bounty manager that has a red tag on profile is about 50%
• Joining with a reputable manager is about 30%

So, it means even though they are reputable managers as long as the project isn't listed yet, there's a potential that the project becomes a scam at the end and the member got nothing or being unpaid, and even them, there's nothing they can do once the project turns out to scam.  They are also a victim.

The reason I stopped being a bounty hunter a long time ago because it seems you're gambling your effort to them for how many months, but if you got lucky, truly reward will come to you.

[The Cryptovator]

Quite a ridiculous idea. You know why? Then read this thread BQT & IOU have committed a scam with bounty participants. Now let me know how many bounty hunters replied there and how many participants were in their campaign? You can see a few reputed users fight there to distribute bounty rewards, but unfortunately, very few original participants were active there. If a project turned into a scam means there is also the responsibility of hunters. Because hunters spread the word and most probably a few investors inspire due to hunters promotion. Who will take this responsibility?

I have noticed there are so many participants even a bounty launched by newbies who don't have the basic knowledge. Hunters don't care if managers are a newbie or reputed. So, how will you prevent such scams? The only way to avoid campaign those is suspicious and handle by non reputed managers. Better is the project escrow funds, but I don't believe it will happen since there is a large number of funds and escrow token is just a useless idea. There is no value to ERC20 or similar tokens until they got listed into a reputed exchange. I prefer reputed managers because at least they have the basic knowledge to assume if the platform is a legit or potential scam, but not guaranteed to. So at least choose a reputed manager to reduce such scams.

[Rikafip]

After creating scam accusation, DT will tag them red if they found proper information. And project will lost their reputation in forum. But, outside for forum their reputation still increased. I know so mich much people, who not follow btt.

How many times I tagged scam project, and bounty hunters kept joining bounty campaign, and then they come few months later crying how they have been scammed, while creator of the bounty was tagged and flagged. No DT member can help you really, in the end its always up to bounty hunters. DYOR and start valuing your own time.

So the moral of the story is: don't join a campaign/bounty that doesn't have a reputable manager at the helm, and don't join unless the funds to pay the participants are escrowed in advance.  And even then, there's so much that could go wrong but at least if you have those two things in place it's much less riskier to join one of these bounties.

Exactly this. Even if you join bounty campaign with reputable manager, chances of you ending up with nothing of almost nothing are pretty big. Projects can fail to raise enough funds, value of tokens might drastically go down, token distribution can be delayed etc. So many things can go wrong in those few months since you start the campaign and until distribution. It really baffles me that there are so many people who are ready to do that. But then again, majority of work done by bounty hunters is pure garbage with zero reach,  so it really surprises me that altcoin bounty campaigns even exist.

Regarding escrow, I don't think that altcoin projects will ever accept that, at least not majority of them. Even if reputable bounty manager refuses to host such bounty campaign, they will always find someone who will accept anything just to get that job.