Very immoral marketing strategy.

[uneng]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but these streamers and youtubers' statistics will still be in loss on long run even if they are using fake money, unless the house edge is modified in their favor for marketing purposes. In that case it would be a very serious situation. However if they are just being paid to advertise the casino brand, playing by the normal rules, it's normal they aren't going to risk their own money, right? Otherwise it doesn't make sense.
I just think in such situations the streamer/youtuber must state on his video description that it's a paid advertisement video, so the public will be aware the casino is sponsoring the video, consequently it will be a partial video in favor of the house.

If people are still disturbed by this marketing strategy I suggest them to stop listening to youtubers and stick only with the house edge and impartial feedbacks from independent reviews sites when choosing a casino to play.

[mu_enrico]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but these streamers and youtubers' statistics will still be in loss on long run even if they are using fake money

True, but a $1,000 loss in a session can be just $10 in actual money. It depends on the deal.
If he gets paid $500 in one streaming session, he will still get $500 - $10 = $490 profit.

In other words, the loss is so small that is negligible for his streaming operation.

[bitterguy28]

Some of you guys must have watched high stake slot players in their pajamas rolling thousands of dollars in single spin, buying hundred of thousands worth of bonus spins. If you notice closely yo will found the same pattern all over again and again. They start with loosing most of their bank roll (almost 80-90%), and then going all in at last and guess what, bingo!!! they hit hundreds of thousands of dollars. Very few of them write in their stream discerption about rolling with fake money (or money of which they can only cash out like 1%). Almost all of them scream loudly and show us that they are winning it in real, some are very good at faking it, which attracts lots of new gamblers (with false expectations) and they end up loosing it all which ultimately leads to social disharmony.
The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

when you created this thread, are you referring about Nitrogen? because month after here is your post against the said gambling site

As we know nitrogensports and nitrobetting are same,

I registered to nitrobetting.eu and won a freeroll which allowed me to enter in 1.5mbtc tournament. Please keep in mind that though I won my seat via free roll but the end tournament which I won was not free roll and many people buy for 0.1mbtc.
Fortunately I won the tournament and got 1.01mbtc as first prize. All thing are going smooth and I ordered a cash out.
Now the real story starts, first they told me that my payout will be processed in few minutes. (check image below)


When after waiting for hours to get my poker winnings, I again ping them on live chat then they started the story; They told me that there is a problem with your account and our account specialist will mail you.


Now suddenly all my winnings were gone and and they finally replied me this;

Our apologies about the confusion with your account.
Management has reviewed your account and determined how we will proceed.
Given the fact that your full account balance are winnings from a
freeroll, those funds are conditional.
You need to become an active client, with a valid deposit and provide us
with action in order to be able to cash out.
We have released your balance(1.01mBTC) as a bonus offer which you can
activate right now.
Once you have a deposit and start playing, your rake will count towards
turning the Freeroll winnings into cash.
We understand that you think your winnings were not a freeroll, but they
are promotional funds. You won a ticket on a freeroll and that ticket
granted you entry to another tournament where you won cash. So the full
balance is considered promotional funds.
Since you are not an active client and show no history of deposit, you
need to deposit into the account and be active in order for us to honor
promotional cash funds.
You can see the bonus offer right now on your account and activate it.
The 1.01 requires 5 times in rake in order to be released as cash (5.05
mBTC).
Let us know if you have any questions.
Lizbeth
Customer Support Manager


(check image below)




Now this is totally unacceptable for me. First of all its not a free roll that I won and second ally they just decided to convert my poker tournament winnings as a bonus, what a joke. So basically for getting my poker tournament winnings I have to pay 5 time the rake.
BTC

In case they have left any shame below is my bitcoin wallet for cash out

363tcwLPddaLCQc6rEGt7kEuP2MBH13L6j

Just pay that man his money.

i was only confused of your behavior over gambling sites.

[lixer]

Every decision to play the slots is the responsibility of each person himself. Every time you play, at the same time you have to be ready to accept defeat or victory, there is nothing wrong with that. You just need to prepare well, whether you have a strategy to win or not.

You are out of the context by some margin but what is said is right. If you are 18+ and you are gambling then it is your responsibility that you are not influenced by a content creator.

Now coming back to the topic, I am not sure which streamers are doing this but from what I have seen on stake's official stream that is Eddie, he almost all the time loses on slots and if there was a chance that he streams to attract players then he would not show his losses and can replay his wins instead as some third party games allow wins to be replayed.

If stake is sponsoring any streamer you know that is asked to show his wins and hide their losses then you should post more details about it @OP. If there exist such streamers then they must mention that the funds they are using in the video are sponsored by the casino, that's for sure.

[electronicash]

Every decision to play the slots is the responsibility of each person himself. Every time you play, at the same time you have to be ready to accept defeat or victory, there is nothing wrong with that. You just need to prepare well, whether you have a strategy to win or not.

You are out of the context by some margin but what is said is right. If you are 18+ and you are gambling then it is your responsibility that you are not influenced by a content creator.

Now coming back to the topic, I am not sure which streamers are doing this but from what I have seen on stake's official stream that is Eddie, he almost all the time loses on slots and if there was a chance that he streams to attract players then he would not show his losses and can replay his wins instead as some third party games allow wins to be replayed.

If stake is sponsoring any streamer you know that is asked to show his wins and hide their losses then you should post more details about it @OP. If there exist such streamers then they must mention that the funds they are using in the video are sponsored by the casino, that's for sure.

i don't know if we completely lost track of the discussions but afaik this is just whether the casinos using the streamers playing for them and then influence anyone watching them. if this marketing strategy is either moral or not it's just marketing. of course they won't show the loss otherwise they couldn't influence users to join and play. whether we can actually weigh which is right or wrong, they will still be doing it anyway because its not illegal in the eyes of the law.

[Rengga Jati]

This is how marketing strategies work,  everything can be soooo interesting and also worthy to take when seeing from the advertisement and promotions . They will not care about what they use,  they only want to get more people to use the platforms.

And that is why we are ourselves that must be aware about it,  smart,  and also careful about that kind of promotion.  They will seem so legit. And many people become victims.

[Lanatsa]

This is how marketing strategies work,  everything can be soooo interesting and also worthy to take when seeing from the advertisement and promotions . They will not care about what they use,  they only want to get more people to use the platforms.

And that is why we are ourselves that must be aware about it,  smart,  and also careful about that kind of promotion.  They will seem so legit. And many people become victims.

All of marketing would be coming in various forms and methods but as long it doesn't really on the way where scamming out people then it should be fine.

Just like what been said that it might be deceptive but no one had been forced out to play and if you do let yourself believe into those then its one's decision not theirs.

If theres someone who should be blamed then its yourself.Be wary on thing around you.

[STT]

Take it to a complaint thread in the right section or you are just spamming FUD, doesnt mean much sorry.

unless the house edge is modified in their favor for marketing purposes.

That'd be fraud, its not that its just allowing for big numbers and higher revenue and sure they can win big on the same chances anyone can or just be seen to be playing alot either way its publicity and works to demonstrate games at the least and  encourages people to join etc.

[kotajikikox]

at first i also felt the same mate when i learn about those site that has this kind of strategy on how to advertise their businesses online but recently ? i come to understand that In gambling it is their (Every gamblers) discretion on how to deal with them.

So lets just be cautious and not let to be a victim of them, instead choose legit site where you can play and enjoy safely.

[semobo]

Some of you guys must have watched high stake slot players in their pajamas rolling thousands of dollars in single spin, buying hundred of thousands worth of bonus spins. If you notice closely yo will found the same pattern all over again and again. They start with loosing most of their bank roll (almost 80-90%), and then going all in at last and guess what, bingo!!! they hit hundreds of thousands of dollars. Very few of them write in their stream discerption about rolling with fake money (or money of which they can only cash out like 1%). Almost all of them scream loudly and show us that they are winning it in real, some are very good at faking it, which attracts lots of new gamblers (with false expectations) and they end up loosing it all which ultimately leads to social disharmony.
The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

Are you talking about the popular streamers? Who is doing such kind of promotion?

If someone thinks that they are doing spins with their own money then they are dump people but most people knows that the site itself sponsor the streamers to attract new players but its nit fake money all if them are real and probably fair.

So the decision is on the hand of us whether we want to spin or not, no one is asking us to spin with thousands of dollars?

[Lakai01]

If someone thinks that they are doing spins with their own money then they are dump people but most people knows that the site itself sponsor the streamers to attract new players but its nit fake money all if them are real and probably fair.

I would refrain from calling someone "dumb" just because they fall for marketing tricks, you wouldn't believe how often people fall for such tricks and false promises (even on a daily basis)

Streamers are currently very much in demand and attract a lot of audience - and therefore have a very high advertising value. For example, look at well-known crypto streamers, they are hyping new coins almost every day. Why do you think that will be? Because they are so convinced of the coins or because they get a lot for promoting them?

Tone Vays posted the following query to him about this not too long ago. Here you can see how much streamers get paid just for saying what the respective client likes:

[semobo]

If someone thinks that they are doing spins with their own money then they are dump people but most people knows that the site itself sponsor the streamers to attract new players but its nit fake money all if them are real and probably fair.

I would refrain from calling someone "dumb" just because they fall for marketing tricks, you wouldn't believe how often people fall for such tricks and false promises (even on a daily basis)

Streamers are currently very much in demand and attract a lot of audience - and therefore have a very high advertising value. For example, look at well-known crypto streamers, they are hyping new coins almost every day. Why do you think that will be? Because they are so convinced of the coins or because they get a lot for promoting them?

Tone Vays posted the following query to him about this not too long ago. Here you can see how much streamers get paid just for saying what the respective client likes:

People falling for other's tricks are dump in my opinion or they ignorant about their skills!

There are two type of people we can see everywhere, who want to give the best for the people and make some money from doing it, and some other people who want to do anything to make money so they don't even hesitate to put thousands of people at stake from their consequences, in reality the second type will be here for short time period so we can find who we should follow and who we shouldn't or its better don't follow anyone at all since we all have our own brain so we need to make our own analysis.

[michellee]

This is how marketing strategies work,  everything can be soooo interesting and also worthy to take when seeing from the advertisement and promotions . They will not care about what they use,  they only want to get more people to use the platforms.

And that is why we are ourselves that must be aware about it,  smart,  and also careful about that kind of promotion.  They will seem so legit. And many people become victims.

Yes, that is right. If we talk about marketing strategies, many ways that they will do and will make nice promotions to attract more people to come and play. It is our responsibility not to get tempted by their strategies and we should think wisely to visit their platform. We can not blame them because they only want to grow their business by attracting more people and if people come to their platform, people need to be aware of the risk because that is our money and we need to take care of the money.

[Pamadar]

This is how marketing strategies work,  everything can be soooo interesting and also worthy to take when seeing from the advertisement and promotions . They will not care about what they use,  they only want to get more people to use the platforms.

And that is why we are ourselves that must be aware about it,  smart,  and also careful about that kind of promotion.  They will seem so legit. And many people become victims.

Yes, that is right. If we talk about marketing strategies, many ways that they will do and will make nice promotions to attract more people to come and play. It is our responsibility not to get tempted by their strategies and we should think wisely to visit their platform. We can not blame them because they only want to grow their business by attracting more people and if people come to their platform, people need to be aware of the risk because that is our money and we need to take care of the money.

Though we can't deny that it attracts gamblers interest, there are people who wanted to have the same fate.

Not realizing that it's just part of marketing unavoidable to see that there are people who will lose a lot due to blindly follows those

influencers that they are trusting, part of the plan and it's really important to have your own responsibilities before taking your move

into this kind of activities, not all you see from social medias are true most of them are just to allure people, paid streamers who works with the site owners..

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

Whatever marketing they use Gambling is Gambling nothing certainty in there but its not just about gambling or just about a game they think it in a different way such as opportunity. marketing its marketing as long not against law or ethic it's totally fine. most of the gambling marketing they paid people to play their games and I rare seeing someone gets paid to manipulate the game itself.

[Oilacris]

Whatever marketing they use Gambling is Gambling nothing certainty in there but its not just about gambling or just about a game they think it in a different way such as opportunity. marketing its marketing as long not against law or ethic it's totally fine. most of the gambling marketing they paid people to play their games and I rare seeing someone gets paid to manipulate the game itself.

It is just there are people who cant really appreciate when they do saw someone which are bit misleading out people but honestly its just obvious that those streamers would really be using
sponsored money rather than on using their own money when playing on a certain site that had been advertised.

When you are already aware then better quiet rather than whining and complaining that it isnt ethical.Its normal that whatever companies running up a business would really be doing

several ways of marketing it might a little bit had some problems but i dont see for it to be a major issue.It is just others people impressions when it comes to this.

[mediaBuzz]

If someone thinks that they are doing spins with their own money then they are dump people but most people knows that the site itself sponsor the streamers to attract new players but its nit fake money all if them are real and probably fair.

Streamers are currently very much in demand and attract a lot of audience - and therefore have a very high advertising value. For example, look at well-known crypto streamers, they are hyping new coins almost every day. Why do you think that will be? Because they are so convinced of the coins or because they get a lot for promoting them?

Someone who is known among other people and that has influence always gets offers by product providers that aim to make people buy his product through the influencer. And most of the time promoter says he/she does not carry any responsibility and it's just business. It sometimes makes you angry when having a bad experience with a service that someone you knew and considered to be legit promotes in any way. For example, signature campaigns. Do companies/websites/service providers go through forum's manual checks before being eligible to launch a signature campaign and let people with thousands of merit scores start promoting them by wearing their signature? Not. So, just because someone with a social influence "thinks" good about something, you cannot be sure that thing is good.

[michellee]

Though we can't deny that it attracts gamblers interest, there are people who wanted to have the same fate.

Not realizing that it's just part of marketing unavoidable to see that there are people who will lose a lot due to blindly follows those

influencers that they are trusting, part of the plan and it's really important to have your own responsibilities before taking your move

into this kind of activities, not all you see from social medias are true most of them are just to allure people, paid streamers who works with the site owners..

I am sure every people want to have the same fate, but unfortunately, our fate is different, which will happen too with our luck. We can not expect to have the same thing as the others so we do not have to use the money to just playing gambling.

When people can not think much about the market that they already saw, they will not have responsibilities to themselves instead of losing their money because they only follow what the ads offer. It is better to search for more information about the ads so we can avoid losing money.

It is our responsibility to filter everything we read from social media because the free information on the internet can make much fake information that can make us get in trouble if we can not be wise.

[Lakai01]

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Do companies/websites/service providers go through forum's manual checks before being eligible to launch a signature campaign and let people with thousands of merit scores start promoting them by wearing their signature? Not. So, just because someone with a social influence "thinks" good about something, you cannot be sure that thing is good.

In fact, that's actually what happens. Especially for new and unknown projects, the forum community takes a closer look and scrutinizes the project. In case of the smallest irregularities, threads are immediately opened in "Scam Accusations" and the project has achieved exactly the opposite of what it actually wanted: good publicity through forum advertisements.

[rodskee]

This is how marketing strategies work,  everything can be soooo interesting and also worthy to take when seeing from the advertisement and promotions . They will not care about what they use,  they only want to get more people to use the platforms.

And that is why we are ourselves that must be aware about it,  smart,  and also careful about that kind of promotion.  They will seem so legit. And many people become victims.

All of marketing would be coming in various forms and methods but as long it doesn't really on the way where scamming out people then it should be fine.

actually no one will give consent to scam advertising so basically this wont be allowable here.

Just like what been said that it might be deceptive but no one had been forced out to play and if you do let yourself believe into those then its one's decision not theirs.

Exactly what's the point , You must risk at your own because even the ads is deceptive yet you are the one who will decide what to act.

If theres someone who should be blamed then its yourself.Be wary on thing around you.

And if best , stay away from gambling that will save you from everything because there are \other areas were you can enjoy and have fun and not only in gambling.