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December 15, 2021, 07:40:36 AM
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So it's almost a real-time war between big casino brands. Most are trying to capture that new gambler market, and try to be the one who will produce the most money for casinos. I'm not a big fan of fake youtube streamers and I don't follow them, but I'm guessing many new players do. In fact, I think a significant part of the interaction between newbies and casino games is via these youtube streamers. I feel this marketing strategy is making it's way into gaming promotions, and we will continue to see casino brands try to attract newbies in this way.

It is mostly the newbies in gambling that falls for the trap of listening to fake youtube influencers who are just after the money they will get in promoting gambling site, even with the game mindset. I think it is very important for newbies to look at what they want and where they can get good direction to what they want.
Well now that this strategy had already exposed ? yes Only newbies and Greed people comes to listen and believe in such way.
they don't even try to go deeper or check the videos if legit or faked.
but with us all sharing our ideas and experiences ? more crypto players now are aware of fake reviews and fake videos that they are being prevented in playing or dealing in those sites.
but not because there are fake videos meaning the sites are fake or scam because most of the legit site has this kind of advertising .

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December 15, 2021, 08:03:33 AM
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Casino is a lucrative business and people just like money that could be earned instantly with just a click. Even without the streamer influencers casino will always attract players.  You can see the same names coming up over and over in "ALL BETS". But its all marketing still.

The one strategy that's very much disliked is the kid's logo or cute fluffy mascot which could attract kids to gambling.

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December 15, 2021, 08:31:09 AM
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Casino is a lucrative business and people just like money that could be earned instantly with just a click. Even without the streamer influencers casino will always attract players.  You can see the same names coming up over and over in "ALL BETS". But its all marketing still.

The one strategy that's very much disliked is the kid's logo or cute fluffy mascot which could attract kids to gambling.

You have a very good point here. Influencers being bluntly paid actors that advertises casinos and encouraging gambling at its finest is one thing, but using elements that could impact the minors and innocents is another level. But then how can we do something that would restrict companies and influencers from using such, because we all know that for as long as its effective and they are gains on it, they will continue to do so. Maybe we could try calling out those influencers and casinos, collectively, to get their attention and also bring public’s eyes onto them and their actions.

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December 15, 2021, 08:31:23 AM
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Why do you care? Are they forcing you to wager your money? Did they put a gun on your head? No. Whoever is falling for that scam and wagers more that he could afford to lose deserves to lose that money.

I bet most of the high rollers you see in the casino scoreboards are fakes. (maybe all of them)

Lol, you mean gambling with Russian roulette?

I'm not in favor of it but if people are going to do that then they'll put all their life's earnings on the table when on 1v1 with another, the winner gets to live and take the money of the other.

In any case, it's immoral and should be prohibited.

Lot's of people find gambling itself immoral but people gamble anyway.

If you think showing fake high stake players is unethical, then most people that gamble are also being tricked because most of them think gambling as a job. The players should lose in the long run because that's the only way for the casino/house to keep doing their business.


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December 15, 2021, 05:05:25 PM
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Lot's of people find gambling itself immoral but people gamble anyway.

If you think showing fake high stake players is unethical, then most people that gamble are also being tricked because most of them think gambling as a job. The players should lose in the long run because that's the only way for the casino/house to keep doing their business.


The important point is that basically everyone's thinking is different depending on the perspective they experience.

like you said that if you say a lot of people think gambling is something despicable so it's not a good thing to do.
but for others gambling is a blessing because they can make unexpected profits by selling their luck.
actually this depends on each person who judges. something that is good in our eyes is not necessarily good in the eyes of others
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December 15, 2021, 05:40:30 PM
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Why do you care? Are they forcing you to wager your money? Did they put a gun on your head? No. Whoever is falling for that scam and wagers more that he could afford to lose deserves to lose that money.
People will try anything, no matter how ridiculous it may seem. There are always a few people who fall for these scams.

In the end, the only way to truly prevent these from happening is not by censoring, because in the end this is a democratic, open world but by raising awareness so that people can educate themselves, even if they're new comers or simply want to get involved etc

So, as long as nobody is forcing anyone it is a free, open and democratic choice that each of us has. We each can decide to either support this or not...
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December 15, 2021, 11:52:32 PM
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Why do you care? Are they forcing you to wager your money? Did they put a gun on your head? No. Whoever is falling for that scam and wagers more that he could afford to lose deserves to lose that money.
People will try anything, no matter how ridiculous it may seem. There are always a few people who fall for these scams.

In the end, the only way to truly prevent these from happening is not by censoring, because in the end this is a democratic, open world but by raising awareness so that people can educate themselves, even if they're new comers or simply want to get involved etc

So, as long as nobody is forcing anyone it is a free, open and democratic choice that each of us has. We each can decide to either support this or not...
It wont be done if there would be no people would fall out with these obvious and cheap tricks and this isnt something new but since people do have their own will on making out outright decisions then its their fault if they do let their greed and dumbness controls them.

It wont really be that rampant if there would be no people who would really fall for these deceptive kind of act but as a person who does have common
sense then you would able to find it out.

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December 16, 2021, 11:14:25 AM
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From an ethical standpoint it's not wrong as long as they are not saying something like "You are guaranteed to win big money(or any money) on this slot!". But if they are just showing lucky moments, you have to be a fool to think that there are no others.
You cannot use the word guaranteed to win, once you said that while advertising a casino, you lose your reputation and you're just fooling around, the TOS of all casinos clearly stated that there's no guaranty in gambling and you should only play what you can afford to lose, they can shill coin as long as at the end of the advertisement they will issue a warning on the reality of gambling.

In the vast majority of videos about big wins on slots there are no warnings, and that's what OP is trying to say. Should there be warnings similar to anti-tobacco health warnings in some countries where they are mandatory when tobacco products displayed in films or TV programs? Maybe. But different countries have different laws, and it will take forever before it will be implemented everywhere. The good news is that most people don't need any warnings, they know that big wins are rare, and if it happened to someone on YouTube, it doesn't mean it will necessarily happen to you.

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December 19, 2021, 11:15:45 PM
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Each gambling sites has their own strategy no matter how bad or good it is as long as they attract more players. Fake advertisements are everywhere because honestly, they wouldn't create ads that will discourage their players. Lots of streamers are also taking advantage of this opportunity and what we just need to do is just to be skeptical and be wise in choosing a good site and game.
Well its quite common now, not all you see is true. Thats why if you gamble dont have high expectation that you'll also win big just like what you see in their advertisement. Use your common sense because its gambling and losing your money is always present and often inevitable. Thus ask yourself many times if you can bear losing your money before playing since you cant turn back time once you lose it.
We all know that gambling platforms needs money to carter for their marketing bills and pay their workers which is the same way gamblers are also looking for money to pay their bills and carter for their liabilities. Everybody is looking for more money which we'll know is normal and the question here is, who is going to bring the Money? Where is the money coming from? From you and me...doing bet loses.

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December 20, 2021, 05:10:23 AM
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Why do you care? Are they forcing you to wager your money? Did they put a gun on your head? No. Whoever is falling for that scam and wagers more that he could afford to lose deserves to lose that money.
People will try anything, no matter how ridiculous it may seem. There are always a few people who fall for these scams.

In the end, the only way to truly prevent these from happening is not by censoring, because in the end this is a democratic, open world but by raising awareness so that people can educate themselves, even if they're new comers or simply want to get involved etc

So, as long as nobody is forcing anyone it is a free, open and democratic choice that each of us has. We each can decide to either support this or not...

Okay so it's democratic and they have the right to do so even doing the immoral marketing stuff. The internet users will just not care about it until the casino had scammed and got some bad reviews already which the warnings will be to avoid them.

But I think it's actually a good sign that the casino has no care for its clients which will one day do scam stuff because from the beginning they are already doing immoral marketing.
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December 20, 2021, 05:49:29 AM
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Each gambling sites has their own strategy no matter how bad or good it is as long as they attract more players. Fake advertisements are everywhere because honestly, they wouldn't create ads that will discourage their players. Lots of streamers are also taking advantage of this opportunity and what we just need to do is just to be skeptical and be wise in choosing a good site and game.

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December 20, 2021, 06:02:40 AM
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This is a marketing system, it a strategy for advertising  and there is nothing bad about it . You can't stop people  from it, people will decide where to go or where they will put there money on. So just chill, it's a marketing strategy.
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This is a marketing system, it a strategy for advertising  and there is nothing bad about it . You can't stop people  from it, people will decide where to go or where they will put there money on. So just chill, it's a marketing strategy.
No matter what marketing strategy the casino will use, people need to know where they should play gambling and not just try to register and deposit their money. When people can be careful to select the right casino, I am sure they will not get in the trap from the casino and get the fun they want. But unfortunately, many people do not become aware of what other people say and try to play on any casino without research. That makes them get a scam from the casino and they can only complain.
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The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.


Unfortunaley this is still very common today. Streamers seem to abuse the fact that they seem much more approachable than the average TV program. During breaks we instantly know when advertisings are running and when they stop. During streams it's not so easy to see, there might be a small symbol appearing in the corner of the stream, but it's not always clear. Streamers don't really need to state when they are paid to show casino games. That's why we as gamblers should be very careful on believing what we see online. Most of the big winnings are rigged and not really fair. When it comes to Youtube and streaming we should have the same critical thinking as when watching ads on TV.
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December 20, 2021, 01:11:19 PM
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~ Okay so it's democratic and they have the right to do so even doing the immoral marketing stuff. The internet users will just not care about it until the casino had scammed and got some bad reviews already which the warnings will be to avoid them.

But I think it's actually a good sign that the casino has no care for its clients which will one day do scam stuff because from the beginning they are already doing immoral marketing.


But what is the reason for giving such casino bad reviews? Firstly, we can't know for sure whether casino is paying to video blogger, or he's just showing his big wins to attract more viewers to his channel. Secondly, unless it's original casino's slots, which is rare, casino has no control over them, and by itself it can't make you lose(or win). Even slot providers can't do that without breaking the law. So I don't think anyone, except video streamers, should be getting bad reviews in this case.

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F*ckin hell, this debate is still going Cheesy
Beautiful girls advertising/endorsing beauty products is also immoral since they are beautiful since birth and not because of the products.
Nothing 100% honest in the advertisement, and everyone knows streamer is just an entertainer, not a pro gambler.
There is a line in which we can or cannot act since it's in the grey area. Altcoin shill, NFT shill, Play2Earn shill, sponsored slot streamer, even Bitcoin shill is in the same category. I don't encourage the practice, but it's just how the world works.

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December 20, 2021, 05:28:42 PM
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Some of you guys must have watched high stake slot players in their pajamas rolling thousands of dollars in single spin, buying hundred of thousands worth of bonus spins. If you notice closely yo will found the same pattern all over again and again. They start with loosing most of their bank roll (almost 80-90%), and then going all in at last and guess what, bingo!!! they hit hundreds of thousands of dollars. Very few of them write in their stream discerption about rolling with fake money (or money of which they can only cash out like 1%). Almost all of them scream loudly and show us that they are winning it in real, some are very good at faking it, which attracts lots of new gamblers (with false expectations) and they end up loosing it all which ultimately leads to social disharmony.
The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

This kind of strategy has been used not just in gambling but to other platforms too. Using such strategy is to promote their own gambling sites or whatever it is as long as their plan is to gather more people to try it. It is up to the person if he/she will gamble or not unless he/she is forced to gamble also no one is forced to gamble your money.
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December 21, 2021, 06:15:34 AM
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Everyone knows that the people are paid actors and at the same time wagering does not give you a 100% profit and therefore even if you do find these advertising copious even then you can't do anything about it since it's your decision that counts. Even if you are winning in streaks, you can choose to stop and encash in some games. I did find that hard to do but you might end up with profits and you can continue playing with the initial investment as well. Sites that are operating online, the online gambling casinos generally has a whole section where you can check their games if they are fair or not which does help some players to trust them as well. As for me I go for trusted casinos and I don't let me get into the whole web where you loose continuously hoping to win. It's all about you ! 

Here you touch on a very important point, I have noticed by following some YouTubers who do what you say, and the worst thing is that they give investment advice in a project that soon becomes scam, then they compromise their reputation which is very difficult to get for money because they offer you some who are in charge of projects of this style, this is sad because they can make you lose money and at the same time you lose a possible influencer.

In these cases, it is very common to see them on YouTube and on twitch and what they achieve is that they lose all kinds of trust.

Negative side for influencers who engage in a company that also deceives them. They both ruin thier reputation for deceiving people to invest in them, the influencer doesn't deserve to be an influencer for not investigating much of the project or casino they tried promoting, and maybe the influencer only cares for the fees he gets from the sponsors he has.

We have seen lots of immoral marketing in crypto but if these companies find it effective in making money, they will continue to do it. Since they can always recreate sham casinos over and over.


If in fact many youtubers at the moment are having a very large loss of followers, because at first one called kmanu highlighted a lot the fact of supporting an NFT game called Plan vs Undead, and so far the game has turned out to be very bad , from a price of 14USD is for 0.14USD recovering very little, and he was one of those who recommended to buy to obtain profit in the farm 3.0 and now it has been pure losses, which makes people not believe in him and there are many subscribers upset because they have lost almost all investment.

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December 21, 2021, 06:56:01 AM
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In some cases the streamers were paid by the respective gambling platform. This is a wrong way of promoting the platform, because the streamer isn't risking anything. He's just playing on the gambling site for fun, whether he wins or losses doesn't affect him. He'll be paid. If a streamer is doing on his own learning the we can't comment on it. Because, it is his money and his wish to wager with big funds.
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December 22, 2021, 02:23:44 PM
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F*ckin hell, this debate is still going Cheesy
Beautiful girls advertising/endorsing beauty products is also immoral since they are beautiful since birth and not because of the products.
Nothing 100% honest in the advertisement, and everyone knows streamer is just an entertainer, not a pro gambler.
There is a line in which we can or cannot act since it's in the grey area. Altcoin shill, NFT shill, Play2Earn shill, sponsored slot streamer, even Bitcoin shill is in the same category. I don't encourage the practice, but it's just how the world works.

There is a difference between advertising beauty products and gambling on slots because it is very unlikely someone spending all money they have on beauty products, while with gambling, as we all know, it's possible.  That's why many people, including OP here, think that "this need to be stopped", with which I disagree. Advertisement makes the world rolling, and, as you rightly said, "it's just how the world works". To not be among the few affected by it in a bad way, we should educate ourselves all the time, and this thread is one of those places where you can get useful information.

In short, to not be a victim of the ads, but to benefit from them(and some of them are really fun to watch), educate yourself and enjoy. Smiley

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