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January 19, 2022, 11:36:50 PM
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We already know how they work, so it will not surprise us how they will still use the same method with some modification to convince potential customers.
Besides that, those influencers did their jobs using their channel, but some do not remind their audience to be careful when playing gambling.
I am afraid that we can not stop those influencers, even if we report what they did to the providers, because they may not block their accounts. After all, those influencers also profit the provider.
So it is our duty always to filter what we see from the influencer and not just follow what they say before we research furthermore.

When it comes in marketing we can’t stop them especially if they were able to attract customers in what they do. As long as it’s not against the law they can do what is best for their marketing. It’s our choice what we can do when we gamble. We must learn to analyze and weight the possibilities that the casino can have a problem. And when we start to gamble we need to assure ourselves that we know what we are doing no matter how amaze we are when they do ads.

You're right is it something like misleading advertising? It has happened to me with several sites, especially in casinos, once I do not remember the name of a casino that I started playing crash and they give a faucet to start, with that amount I started to win and I did just what I needed to process the payment, When I went to make the payment, they told me that I had to deposit beforehand, that if I didn't deposit I couldn't withdraw, which I thought was a scam, so that's false advertising, and that's what you should be careful about.

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January 20, 2022, 10:52:53 AM
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You're right is it something like misleading advertising? It has happened to me with several sites, especially in casinos, once I do not remember the name of a casino that I started playing crash and they give a faucet to start, with that amount I started to win and I did just what I needed to process the payment, When I went to make the payment, they told me that I had to deposit beforehand, that if I didn't deposit I couldn't withdraw, which I thought was a scam, so that's false advertising, and that's what you should be careful about.

But didn't they have those small print on the faucet indicating that money earned using the faucet could only be withdrawn after a deposit?

Either way, regardless of the offers that online casinos offer, it is normal for a person to first make a deposit and then be able to withdraw the money won. But this does not invalidate the gain, the person can deposit the minimum amount and then withdraw everything right away.

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January 20, 2022, 11:16:56 AM
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Every promoter has their own strategy and they would never force anyone to wager their funds. Adverts is always a choice what you should be more concerned about is encouraging discipline in newbies other than finding faults it's their very channel and the have the full license to operate which ever way they choose.
Exactly and mostly the one who fell into those traps are Newbies if not Greedy people who keeps seeking for instant of great wins each game in which the way why they are the main target of these misleading marketing strategy .
There have been friends of Mine who twice in his gambling career that fell into the trap of those Social Media Blogger whos promoting the gambling site like this way.
Stay away from social media guys if you wanna gamble instead just focus in your favorite games and also focus in your budget for each gaming .

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January 20, 2022, 11:27:31 AM
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Every promoter has their own strategy and they would never force anyone to wager their funds. Adverts is always a choice what you should be more concerned about is encouraging discipline in newbies other than finding faults it's their very channel and the have the full license to operate which ever way they choose.
Exactly and mostly the one who fell into those traps are Newbies if not Greedy people who keeps seeking for instant of great wins each game in which the way why they are the main target of these misleading marketing strategy .
There have been friends of Mine who twice in his gambling career that fell into the trap of those Social Media Blogger whos promoting the gambling site like this way.
Stay away from social media guys if you wanna gamble instead just focus in your favorite games and also focus in your budget for each gaming .

Nothing new to this since those Vloggers want only to gain since imagine how big profit they can get if they can invite newbie or hardcore players to the casino what they are promoting, so its expected that there content more hyping rather than educational discussion towards their platform playing. I guess its good to avoid those content creator like that since we cannot get any good on their contents.

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January 20, 2022, 01:36:43 PM
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~I wouldn't dramatize it like that. Firstly, losing your balance on a gambling site is nothing close to be hit by the car. Secondly, those video bloggers are not "crossing the road in the wrong place" when playing slots and streaming the game. If you have not more than you can afford to lose on your balance, nothing terrible can happen to you. My point is, you can even try to mimic those streamers just for the fun of it, but you should do it an amount you afford to lose, that's all.

Great point! Whatever you do with your balance, you should always stick to your budget! You can lose it in one single round of your fav pokie or you can sip it stretching the pleasure of gambling. Whatever. But you should always keep in mind that your budget is not an unlimited stream.

Yep, that's the key to not be turning entertainment into disaster. Just have some fun, lose $5-$10 to your favorite game, and call it a day. Yeah, you always have a chance to win, but you should know that losing is more likely.

Btw, I didn't know what "pokie"means before I read your post. Now I googled it



and it's a valuable addition to my vocabulary. Catch a merit for that!  Wink

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January 20, 2022, 01:46:50 PM
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Stay away from social media guys if you wanna gamble instead just focus in your favorite games and also focus in your budget for each gaming .
This is 100% correct advice!  If you start to study some reviews or recommendations on social networks, then you will definitely come across hidden advertising and hidden promotion of the services of a particular casino.  And it obviously works for less experienced players. 
 Internet in general is now more than 90% filled with fake.  With information and understanding the true understanding of things in general, it has become quite difficult.  Censorship does not work, all nonsense only catches the eye. 
True - it's better not to listen to anyone but to live and play according to your own understanding.

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January 20, 2022, 02:03:42 PM
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Every promoter has their own strategy and they would never force anyone to wager their funds. Adverts is always a choice what you should be more concerned about is encouraging discipline in newbies other than finding faults it's their very channel and the have the full license to operate which ever way they choose.
Exactly and mostly the one who fell into those traps are Newbies if not Greedy people who keeps seeking for instant of great wins each game in which the way why they are the main target of these misleading marketing strategy .
There have been friends of Mine who twice in his gambling career that fell into the trap of those Social Media Blogger whos promoting the gambling site like this way.
Stay away from social media guys if you wanna gamble instead just focus in your favorite games and also focus in your budget for each gaming .

Nothing new to this since those Vloggers want only to gain since imagine how big profit they can get if they can invite newbie or hardcore players to the casino what they are promoting, so its expected that there content more hyping rather than educational discussion towards their platform playing. I guess its good to avoid those content creator like that since we cannot get any good on their contents.

Yes, great idea, especially those ones who will try to sell you some win-win strategies:)
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January 20, 2022, 02:08:04 PM
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Every promoter has their own strategy and they would never force anyone to wager their funds. Adverts is always a choice what you should be more concerned about is encouraging discipline in newbies other than finding faults it's their very channel and the have the full license to operate which ever way they choose.
Exactly and mostly the one who fell into those traps are Newbies if not Greedy people who keeps seeking for instant of great wins each game in which the way why they are the main target of these misleading marketing strategy .
There have been friends of Mine who twice in his gambling career that fell into the trap of those Social Media Blogger whos promoting the gambling site like this way.
Stay away from social media guys if you wanna gamble instead just focus in your favorite games and also focus in your budget for each gaming .
Yes, it is our responsibility to filter the advertisement we see on social media and not click if we think that will trap us into something we do not know for sure. Maybe some people who have experience can stay away from that but we know so many new people online on their social media, so the advertisement has many new targets that can make those people visit gambling sites that they do not know. We can only be careful when we see that advertisement and always be aware of that.



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January 20, 2022, 07:03:03 PM
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Stay away from social media guys if you wanna gamble instead just focus in your favorite games and also focus in your budget for each gaming .
This is 100% correct advice!  If you start to study some reviews or recommendations on social networks, then you will definitely come across hidden advertising and hidden promotion of the services of a particular casino.  And it obviously works for less experienced players. 
 Internet in general is now more than 90% filled with fake.  With information and understanding the true understanding of things in general, it has become quite difficult.  Censorship does not work, all nonsense only catches the eye. 
True - it's better not to listen to anyone but to live and play according to your own understanding.

To follow that up, more on those reviews and advertisement are to favor the business,

they've been paid by the house to write or streams informations that will lead gamblers/players to their platforms
if you want to be successful, go dig on your own and allow to adopt.

Better to keep your guard up when choosing a gambling sites to play and enjoy, be mindful of the amount that you are
willing to lose and the amount that you'll be more contented to earn.
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January 20, 2022, 07:11:39 PM
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Every promoter has their own strategy and they would never force anyone to wager their funds. Adverts is always a choice what you should be more concerned about is encouraging discipline in newbies other than finding faults it's their very channel and the have the full license to operate which ever way they choose.
Exactly and mostly the one who fell into those traps are Newbies if not Greedy people who keeps seeking for instant of great wins each game in which the way why they are the main target of these misleading marketing strategy .
There have been friends of Mine who twice in his gambling career that fell into the trap of those Social Media Blogger whos promoting the gambling site like this way.
Stay away from social media guys if you wanna gamble instead just focus in your favorite games and also focus in your budget for each gaming .

Nothing new to this since those Vloggers want only to gain since imagine how big profit they can get if they can invite newbie or hardcore players to the casino what they are promoting, so its expected that there content more hyping rather than educational discussion towards their platform playing. I guess its good to avoid those content creator like that since we cannot get any good on their contents.
This is where we should really heighten up our senses and awareness towards with these deceptive kind of act on where it could really make noobs do easy to believe that money making or profits is easy without realizing

that gambling field doesnt really work on that way.Influencers doesnt really care on your condition whether you do get addicted or getting broke because of gambling and as long they would get paid

then that what matter the most which is why common sense would be much suggested and should be used on.

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Stay away from social media guys if you wanna gamble instead just focus in your favorite games and also focus in your budget for each gaming .
This is 100% correct advice!  If you start to study some reviews or recommendations on social networks, then you will definitely come across hidden advertising and hidden promotion of the services of a particular casino.  And it obviously works for less experienced players. 
 Internet in general is now more than 90% filled with fake.  With information and understanding the true understanding of things in general, it has become quite difficult.  Censorship does not work, all nonsense only catches the eye. 
True - it's better not to listen to anyone but to live and play according to your own understanding.

To follow that up, more on those reviews and advertisement are to favor the business,

they've been paid by the house to write or streams informations that will lead gamblers/players to their platforms
if you want to be successful, go dig on your own and allow to adopt.

Better to keep your guard up when choosing a gambling sites to play and enjoy, be mindful of the amount that you are
willing to lose and the amount that you'll be more contented to earn.
But to avoid social medias for this reason is too extremist in my opinion. I think people should have access to every informations disponible around and make their own judgement on what is worthful, what isn't and what is legit and what isn't. We can't live inside a glass dome without access to the reality surrounding us. We have to learn how to deal with it in a way we won't be fooled or prejudiced. And in case of mistakes, we can learn from them.
Gambling platforms' social medias can also bring valuable useful informations and content. If a gambler is able to filter what is benefical to him and what isn't, he will be fine in any environment.

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January 20, 2022, 11:56:06 PM
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Stay away from social media guys if you wanna gamble instead just focus in your favorite games and also focus in your budget for each gaming .
This is 100% correct advice!  If you start to study some reviews or recommendations on social networks, then you will definitely come across hidden advertising and hidden promotion of the services of a particular casino.  And it obviously works for less experienced players. 
 Internet in general is now more than 90% filled with fake.  With information and understanding the true understanding of things in general, it has become quite difficult.  Censorship does not work, all nonsense only catches the eye. 
True - it's better not to listen to anyone but to live and play according to your own understanding.

To follow that up, more on those reviews and advertisement are to favor the business,

they've been paid by the house to write or streams informations that will lead gamblers/players to their platforms
if you want to be successful, go dig on your own and allow to adopt.

Better to keep your guard up when choosing a gambling sites to play and enjoy, be mindful of the amount that you are
willing to lose and the amount that you'll be more contented to earn.
But to avoid social medias for this reason is too extremist in my opinion. I think people should have access to every informations disponible around and make their own judgement on what is worthful, what isn't and what is legit and what isn't. We can't live inside a glass dome without access to the reality surrounding us. We have to learn how to deal with it in a way we won't be fooled or prejudiced. And in case of mistakes, we can learn from them.
Gambling platforms' social medias can also bring valuable useful informations and content. If a gambler is able to filter what is benefical to him and what isn't, he will be fine in any environment.
We do have our own will on making out decision for ourselves and not totally close out or getting rid of things just because of some factor because same as you said that we would need a medium on which
we could really learn up things on whats happening around.We arent that dumb on not to see and act accordingly basing up with our own experiences.
Moral or Immoral then it would depend or vary with someones own point of view.

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January 21, 2022, 11:37:28 AM
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Stay away from social media guys if you wanna gamble instead just focus in your favorite games and also focus in your budget for each gaming .
This is 100% correct advice!  If you start to study some reviews or recommendations on social networks, then you will definitely come across hidden advertising and hidden promotion of the services of a particular casino.  And it obviously works for less experienced players. 
 Internet in general is now more than 90% filled with fake.  With information and understanding the true understanding of things in general, it has become quite difficult.  Censorship does not work, all nonsense only catches the eye. 
True - it's better not to listen to anyone but to live and play according to your own understanding.

To follow that up, more on those reviews and advertisement are to favor the business,

they've been paid by the house to write or streams informations that will lead gamblers/players to their platforms
if you want to be successful, go dig on your own and allow to adopt.

Better to keep your guard up when choosing a gambling sites to play and enjoy, be mindful of the amount that you are
willing to lose and the amount that you'll be more contented to earn.
But to avoid social medias for this reason is too extremist in my opinion. I think people should have access to every informations disponible around and make their own judgement on what is worthful, what isn't and what is legit and what isn't. We can't live inside a glass dome without access to the reality surrounding us. We have to learn how to deal with it in a way we won't be fooled or prejudiced. And in case of mistakes, we can learn from them.
Gambling platforms' social medias can also bring valuable useful informations and content. If a gambler is able to filter what is benefical to him and what isn't, he will be fine in any environment.
We do have our own will on making out decision for ourselves and not totally close out or getting rid of things just because of some factor because same as you said that we would need a medium on which
we could really learn up things on whats happening around.We arent that dumb on not to see and act accordingly basing up with our own experiences.
Moral or Immoral then it would depend or vary with someones own point of view.

I think, by the way, that some restrictions should be imposed. It is not about moral or immoral side, but to tell the truth, you can see those restrictions on Forex, for instance. All regulated companies are obliged to tell their customers more about risks and to provide them with transparent information about the ways they can lose money. Those brokers tell their affiliates to conduct this risk policies too. I think something like this should be done in gambling. Trustworthy niche website (affiliates) always want their customers that they can lose more than they can win. And this is a good approach. THe same should be done across the whole board of affiliates to make this industry more moral-friendly.
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January 21, 2022, 01:21:51 PM
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I thought the same way about casinos a couple of years ago, but things have changed. You can't win it all because of the RTP level. And casinos know this. That's why most of those gambling sites patiently wait for you to lose money there. They don't need to scam you. Moreover, I have played in an online casino that was recommended by one of my friends that (I realized this later on this forum) was a kind of a blacklisted one for "scamming" people. I managed to withdraw all my winnings from there even before I knew that that was a "scam" casino. My verdict, I don't think that there are "scam" casinos. Those are stories that are told by those guys who lost their money for some reason or have seen their accounts blocked for breaking some casino rules. We often start playing by simply checking the checkbox with casino policies and T&Cs without giving even a couple of minutes to go through the document and to see what we are allowed to do there and what is restricted. With this in mind, yes, many casinos do aggressive marketing. Many affiliates do aggressive marketing because this is their business. If you start playing at a particular casino, you should understand that your longterm odds are negative.
I am not sure about that because I do not get a scam by the casinos and if I lose in a game, I consider that is because of my fault and not the casino mistake.
If people complain about the casino scamming them, they need to look at their history and check if they are breaking the casino rules or they are clean enough and then they can ask the casino what is happening to them.
Many people say the casino is a scam because of themselves. I would call that because they feel greedy after winning some money and want more wins or create a new account to earn money through the casino affiliate system.
If you succeed in withdrawing all of the win money, you are lucky and I am sure you do not do something that breaks the rules.

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January 21, 2022, 02:12:08 PM
Last edit: January 21, 2022, 03:07:14 PM by Desmong
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Influencers being bluntly paid actors that advertises casinos and encouraging gambling at its finest is one thing, but using elements that could impact the minors and innocents is another level. But then how can we do something that would restrict companies and influencers from using such, because we all know that for as long as its effective and they are gains on it, they will continue to do so. Maybe we could try calling out those influencers and casinos, collectively, to get their attention and also bring public’s eyes onto them and their actions.

I doubt if they even noticed anyone trying to explain it to them. After all, they themselves invented this method of marketing. I think marketing teams are opening champagne celebrating the success of their idea. As long as it is not regulated by law, they will never give up on it.

Give up? They can never give up because they are making consistent project from it and I know in the next five to ten years coming, they will be crazy influencers who will be ready to do anything for money, even to tell us that res is white even when it's obvious. This is why the internet is their we enquires about anything we are looking for.
In addition to this, we should not expect a person that is earning big by just advertising or promoting a project to give up just like that without concrete reasons why he or she decided to do so. From now till 10 years coming, I think their will be new batch of influencers who will be ready to do anything to promote projects just for the money sake. More persons are aspiring to join the influencers team everyday.

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January 21, 2022, 06:43:22 PM
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I think, by the way, that some restrictions should be imposed. It is not about moral or immoral side, but to tell the truth, you can see those restrictions on Forex, for instance. All regulated companies are obliged to tell their customers more about risks and to provide them with transparent information about the ways they can lose money. Those brokers tell their affiliates to conduct this risk policies too. I think something like this should be done in gambling. Trustworthy niche website (affiliates) always want their customers that they can lose more than they can win. And this is a good approach. THe same should be done across the whole board of affiliates to make this industry more moral-friendly.
As far as I know these restrictions you mentioned already exist in some countries, but they apply only to advertisements made inside the jurisdiction of that sovereign state (example: television, outdoors ads). To make such restrictions a requirement for internet ads, I think the platforms used by content creators to promote gambling should enforce it on their terms and conditions.
On the other hand, anyone who feels prejudiced by a fake propaganda, including videos spreading misleading content on youtube, can always sue the channel and the responsible behind it, doesn't matter how far they live from each other. But the costs of the action are really expensive, becoming impossible for most people to afford, because the legal proceedings must happen in the country of the defendant and even the lawyers involved in both parties must be located on that territory.

So the idea of the platform imposing restrictions is much simpler and safer for the public, who is the potential victim.

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January 21, 2022, 07:01:47 PM
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Some of you guys must have watched high stake slot players in their pajamas rolling thousands of dollars in single spin, buying hundred of thousands worth of bonus spins. If you notice closely yo will found the same pattern all over again and again. They start with loosing most of their bank roll (almost 80-90%), and then going all in at last and guess what, bingo!!! they hit hundreds of thousands of dollars. Very few of them write in their stream discerption about rolling with fake money (or money of which they can only cash out like 1%). Almost all of them scream loudly and show us that they are winning it in real, some are very good at faking it, which attracts lots of new gamblers (with false expectations) and they end up loosing it all which ultimately leads to social disharmony.
The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.


The streamers always have the disclaimer that play at your own risk. If anyone copies the streamers and they lose in this process, the streamers cannot be blamed because he has already told people that the stream is for entertainment purposes also. I understand that viewers may get addicted but then the risk is entirely on the viewers who try to copy the streamers.

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January 21, 2022, 07:36:43 PM
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Influencers being bluntly paid actors that advertises casinos and encouraging gambling at its finest is one thing, but using elements that could impact the minors and innocents is another level. But then how can we do something that would restrict companies and influencers from using such, because we all know that for as long as its effective and they are gains on it, they will continue to do so. Maybe we could try calling out those influencers and casinos, collectively, to get their attention and also bring public’s eyes onto them and their actions.

There no need for such actions. Despite advertising law regulates such cases without proper efficiency on Youtube, i think in near future (1-3 years) everything will change dramatically. Not only you (and me) were being annoyed by such dishonest promotions. As i heard new regulations on Youtube is near to come  Smiley


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January 21, 2022, 08:41:36 PM
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Influencers being bluntly paid actors that advertises casinos and encouraging gambling at its finest is one thing, but using elements that could impact the minors and innocents is another level. But then how can we do something that would restrict companies and influencers from using such, because we all know that for as long as its effective and they are gains on it, they will continue to do so. Maybe we could try calling out those influencers and casinos, collectively, to get their attention and also bring public’s eyes onto them and their actions.

There no need for such actions. Despite advertising law regulates such cases without proper efficiency on Youtube, i think in near future (1-3 years) everything will change dramatically. Not only you (and me) were being annoyed by such dishonest promotions. As i heard new regulations on Youtube is near to come  Smiley


Why so soon if they could able to apply or make it happen now? This really make things more better if things like this would really be get rid off or there would be some sort of strict criterias and verifications

for each possible advertisement or streams that in relate with marketing but as a viewer/fan then we arent that dumb on not to notice things or could really make out some verification

first before do making some such step because we do have our own self will on doing things and not needed for some sort of those extras.

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January 21, 2022, 08:53:02 PM
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Stay away from social media guys if you wanna gamble instead just focus in your favorite games and also focus in your budget for each gaming .
This is 100% correct advice!  If you start to study some reviews or recommendations on social networks, then you will definitely come across hidden advertising and hidden promotion of the services of a particular casino.  And it obviously works for less experienced players. 
 Internet in general is now more than 90% filled with fake.  With information and understanding the true understanding of things in general, it has become quite difficult.  Censorship does not work, all nonsense only catches the eye. 
True - it's better not to listen to anyone but to live and play according to your own understanding.

To follow that up, more on those reviews and advertisement are to favor the business,

they've been paid by the house to write or streams informations that will lead gamblers/players to their platforms
if you want to be successful, go dig on your own and allow to adopt.

Better to keep your guard up when choosing a gambling sites to play and enjoy, be mindful of the amount that you are
willing to lose and the amount that you'll be more contented to earn.
But to avoid social medias for this reason is too extremist in my opinion. I think people should have access to every informations disponible around and make their own judgement on what is worthful, what isn't and what is legit and what isn't. We can't live inside a glass dome without access to the reality surrounding us. We have to learn how to deal with it in a way we won't be fooled or prejudiced. And in case of mistakes, we can learn from them.
Gambling platforms' social medias can also bring valuable useful informations and content. If a gambler is able to filter what is benefical to him and what isn't, he will be fine in any environment.
We do have our own will on making out decision for ourselves and not totally close out or getting rid of things just because of some factor because same as you said that we would need a medium on which
we could really learn up things on whats happening around.We arent that dumb on not to see and act accordingly basing up with our own experiences.
Moral or Immoral then it would depend or vary with someones own point of view.

I think, by the way, that some restrictions should be imposed. It is not about moral or immoral side, but to tell the truth, you can see those restrictions on Forex, for instance. All regulated companies are obliged to tell their customers more about risks and to provide them with transparent information about the ways they can lose money. Those brokers tell their affiliates to conduct this risk policies too. I think something like this should be done in gambling. Trustworthy niche website (affiliates) always want their customers that they can lose more than they can win. And this is a good approach. THe same should be done across the whole board of affiliates to make this industry more moral-friendly.
Could be possibly be applied but this would be ending up on personal choice since there were no regulatory board that would mandate or make it as a compulsory thing on where they should really be giving out those warnings or words about losses or something related to that which is really a bit odd since its been applied on other industries as well but not on gambling field.The thing you had mentioned or suggested is
true but they are always the ones who do make out such decision whether they do put up that rule or wouldnt really care at all as long they do get revenue out of these businesses.

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