Russian vs Foreign Companies

[macson]

Russia now requires all smart devices — including phones, computers, and TVs — in the country to have Russian software preinstalled, in what some locals have called a "law against Apple".
The law applies to all devices produced in the country from Thursday onwards. Reuters reported that Russia viewed it as a way to help Russian software companies compete with international ones.
The outlet added that the law had been an issue for Apple and that it had become known as "the law against Apple."

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I don't know whether this is good or bad for selling smartphones or software in Russia, This is the sales of smartphones in Russia according to statista....

what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule.  do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US?  or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!

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[jackg]

I don't think it's that much of a bad idea to stop companies being the ones making products for your devices.

It might even become more widespread in a few years for segments of continents to produce their own code for devices to be run with. The European commission, the US, the commonwealth and the democratic areas of Asia might do a service to their citizens and allow them the ability to additional privacy (a lot of countries seek to be more proactive in tracking their population and then backtrack on it when they realise its problematic - at least for the democratic areas).

[mu_enrico]

I don't think it's about competitiveness as government intervention is always bad for competition. It's about national security, and it's a tradeoff between economic interest vs. security. Look at the great firewall of China as it has many similarities.

Anyway, if you are a citizen of Russia, would you rather be monitored by Putin or Biden? It's a loss-loss situation, lol.

[Fortify]

I get the feeling that regulators in Europe and the US have gotten far too cosy with the big hardware/software companies. It wasn't all that long ago that Microsoft was forcing internet explorer on every system until antitrust laws finally got them to allow competitors. We can see from the developers like Fortnite who are fighting back against Google Play and the Apple store that these companies are taking huge chunks of revenue while offering little value in return. These large companies are literally swimming in cash and while they provide useful products, they should be contributing more and encouraging competition instead of stifling it in every turn. You could say the giants have carved out their niches to dominate - Google with search, Microsoft with software and Apple with consumer hardware. Yes there are rivals but the market leader often has a majority of any profits due to scale.

[dothebeats]

I don't think it's a bad idea after all, but it all goes to bad light considering that data tracking in this day and age is so rampant that most companies and governments are getting away with it, plus the multiple data leaks that huge companies are allowing to happen. Anyway, most huge companies are forcing their own produced software up our throats because no one is complaining that loud, or no one is getting slapped with huge fines due to antitrust violations. This is why I love to have Android devices. You can basically just remove all the software from the manufacturer and be done with all the tracking and unnecessary data collection they are getting.

[Lorence.xD]

I don't think it's a bad idea after all, but it all goes to bad light considering that data tracking in this day and age is so rampant that most companies and governments are getting away with it, plus the multiple data leaks that huge companies are allowing to happen.

It is a bad idea, I mean who knows what is in that pre-installed application and considering it is Russia, I think that there is a high chance that it is a data tracking kind and nobody really wants that kind of thing and you mentioned that there is a lot of data leaks. The other problem that I see is that with this Russian's pre installed app, it might not be just a tracking software but it can also connect with your network so it can monitor your whole network which is dangerous and scary.

[Lucius]

I do not know how much can be achieved with such a measure, but it is quite normal to expect that a country that is under US and EU sanctions is in some way trying to take revenge and set some countermeasures. There is nothing wrong with favoring domestic companies and enabling them to be competitive in the domestic market, and this measure only applies to devices produced in the country, not imported ones.

In any case, Russia is a very specific market because it is largely behaving like a communist or even dictatorial country, but no one wants to lose it as a market, just as it is case with China.

As for who is tracking us and in what way, here it is just a matter of someone getting a choice whether to be spied on by domestic or foreign apps. In the end, all devices connected to the Internet collect our data and send it somewhere, and the only way to escape from this is not to use modern technologies at all.

[stompix]

do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US? 

How will increase the competitiveness?
It doesn't and it makes actually things worse, Russian apps will no longer have to compete with others for Russian users, so with limited choice and trapped consumers, their need to innovate will follow the same trends as their entire industry during the Soviet era, from cars to tvs to everything around the house. It will simply protect the interest of the Russian companies, killing competitions, and make sure that all those who are owned usually by government officials keep being profitable and collect valuable information.

Anyhow, forcing something and not allowing users to make their own choice will always end badly, this will be the case with this one too.

I do not know how much can be achieved with such a measure, but it is quite normal to expect that a country that is under US and EU sanctions is in some way trying to take revenge and set some countermeasures.

Unfortunately for them with every step they make they run out of options, right now they are like some vegans boycotting burger king, with their economy taking hit after hit a dwindling population they should understand that they are no longer in a position to threaten economically the UE alone, not combined with the US. Furthermore, such measures also hit their so-called allies as the guys from Xiaomi or Oppo won't be that happy either,  just yesterday I cleaned a miui from bloatware, and my god how much crap was there.

[Fesatmas]

and other points that are deliberately not published is to control actions that would threaten the defense of Russia. I think this is something that is not surprising, considering that Russia has ambitions that are not far behind what all powerful countries like North Korea want to do. which access will be automatically controlled by the internet service authorities in that country. regarding reasons to compete with Apple and the like, it is done so that the Russian community does not feel suspicion arising. and certainly this aims to fully control the internet network and detect suspicious traffic.

[fortebettor]

Russia now requires all smart devices — including phones, computers, and TVs — in the country to have Russian software preinstalled, in what some locals have called a "law against Apple".
The law applies to all devices produced in the country from Thursday onwards. Reuters reported that Russia viewed it as a way to help Russian software companies compete with international ones.
The outlet added that the law had been an issue for Apple and that it had become known as "the law against Apple."

source....

I don't know whether this is good or bad for selling smartphones or software in Russia, This is the sales of smartphones in Russia according to statista....

what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule.  do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US?  or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!

This is a prelude to what awaits us, don't laugh at Russia because covid in europe is also doing its job. The same thing, just a different method. A cultural occupation - and this is only the beginning

[batang_bitcoin]

The government wants to track every single device that's being owned by their citizen. That's just the same in China CMIIW, that they can track every single device there but without even installing software because they're into the hardware which is being produced in their country. And why others are worried about it because they do it to track and sees it as national threat for other countries because they can do surveillance through those devices.

[Zilon]

My question is what would the function of the software ? If it's solely to meet up the competition amongst other countries then that is a pretty good idea but anything outside this would be a way of monitoring the entire data sent and received across Russia. Would this still mean total security of private affairs? Because Russia software engineers are good coders

[fiulpro]

They are not doing anything but telling people that yes WE ARE GOING TO TRACK YOU AND YOU CANNOT RUN AWAY. This is nothing but a violation of human rights! Literally not needed. Even if the Government says that the software is to do this and that, to help their economy or maybe for something else what's the guarantee that they are not going to use it for illegal means !? The laws are already not so lenient in Russia and knowing the country I do think that this would most certainly end bad for the local companies since people would prefer buying the stuff from abroad and then at the end of the day, the sales will go down and then the local economy will decline. But then again everyone is tracking everyone, google , apple lol. We have no where to run.
For me pre-installed softwares are always a threat.

[macson]

I don't think it's about competitiveness as government intervention is always bad for competition. It's about national security, and it's a tradeoff between economic interest vs. security. Look at the great firewall of China as it has many similarities.

Anyway, if you are a citizen of Russia, would you rather be monitored by Putin or Biden? It's a loss-loss situation, lol.

lucky I don't live in the both ^(them) area....living in a country where always keeping an eye on its citizens sounds terrible to me "lol".

How will increase the competitiveness?
It doesn't and it makes actually things worse, Russian apps will no longer have to compete with others for Russian users, so with limited choice and trapped consumers, their need to innovate will follow the same trends as their entire industry during the Soviet era,

sounds creepy....we will probably see a strange device, hardware, software created by the Russian government specifically for its citizens and not avail in other countries "lol".

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Unfortunately for them with every step they make they run out of options, right now they are like some vegans boycotting burger king, with their economy taking hit after hit a dwindling population they should understand that they are no longer in a position to threaten economically the UE alone, not combined with the US. Furthermore, such measures also hit their so-called allies as the guys from Xiaomi or Oppo won't be that happy either,  just yesterday I cleaned a miui from bloatware, and my god how much crap was there.

"lol" what you find there ^{(Xiaomi & oppo)}, is there some kind of worm-shaped tracking device sending signals to panda country

The government wants to track every single device that's being owned by their citizen. That's just the same in China CMIIW, that they can track every single device there but without even installing software because they're into the hardware which is being produced in their country. And why others are worried about it because they do it to track and sees it as national threat for other countries because they can do surveillance through those devices.

looks like that, they do the tracking and also increase the competition as @stompix said.

[slapper]

It is not a competition at all. They are not trying to ban or regulate any foreign companies. Instead, they try to govern the citizen and perhaps protect them on some scales. For example, citizens of China are 100% centralized by the government so every step you work, each thing you eat and your hobbies are all in their governmental data. Thus, criminals are harder to make crime but on the order hand, criticize the government will make you go to jail

[posi]

The Russian government has every right to requires all gadget companies in their country to have their native software preinstalled but they are doing it in the wrong way because if they actually want their software companies to compete with international companies they ought to create a gadget company for themselves which will make use of their native software companies software just like the Chinese do with Huawei.

2) Is the preinstallation of Russian a good step? No, and most of the world may also not like the idea so there is chance people who are from Russia may not use the gadget that has the preinstalled software of Russian.

[mindrust]

Makes sense. These devices are spying on you. Google and Apple's #1 goal isn't making the best consumer electronics. It is, creating the best spy agents.You talk to friend on the phone and talk about eating a pizza, The next thing you know google ads will show you the nearest pizza restaurants. If they weren't listening to your calls, how could that be possible?

China already blocked almost all the US bigtech products and if Russia had any sense left in them, they would too.

[just_Alice]

Oh, I don't think it's about economy or profit, I don't think it's about that at all. This is about politics. From the economical point of view - sure, it's a reasonable move, why pay to foreign countries, while you can return this money to the government and broaden the software market, create new workspaces.

However, something tells me this is more about Russia becoming more autonomic with a perspective of cutting off the world and becoming more like North Korea. It's been going on for years now. For instance, in 2019 there were talks about a possible ban of FB, Instagram, and YouTube in Russia, but they didn't go that far. You take social media from people - there will be consequences

[Hydrogen]

what is certain, that smartphone provider must adjust to this rule.  do you think this is a good step to increase Russia's competitiveness against foreign countries that we know are the US?  or this is a bad move that will slow down Russia's competitiveness!

Russia appears to be isolating itself from outside influence, news and ideas the way north korea and china do.

Russia threatens to ban Twitter over illegal content

Russian authorities on Tuesday said they are prepared to block Twitter in a month's time if the social media giant does not comply with demands to remove upwards of 3,000 posts of banned content, AP reports.

Driving the news: Russia claims Twitter failed to heed previous warnings to remove posts about child suicide and pornography, and information about drugs. Authorities in the country have a fraught relationship with social media platforms, which for years have provided a forum for political dissent.

https://news.yahoo.com/russia-threatens-ban-twitter-over-163153656.html

Authoritarian measures like these are in my opinion -- purely political. They're attempts to control information & data residents in a country come into contact with from the outside world. To better shape and control public sentiment. Influence views and narratives people are allowed to have.

[Fesatmas]

The government wants to track every single device that's being owned by their citizen. That's just the same in China CMIIW, that they can track every single device there but without even installing software because they're into the hardware which is being produced in their country. And why others are worried about it because they do it to track and sees it as national threat for other countries because they can do surveillance through those devices.

as I have said above, and in essence it is done to control movement which is considered a suspicious action.

That's the pattern, and I think Russia had a plan like this from the start. where full access can be controlled. No wonder the war between the allied nations has shown each other their superiority.